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[000:00:00;00] what my colleague says that they gave there, you see, it’s not like that, probably how it was there , i don’t know, 5-10 or 15 years ago, when the mayor came from some overcrowded town there, went around kyiv to the ministries, gave money to repair it, everyone here wants to sign a contract with a specific contractor who can be controlled, and now there are already a lot of questions about this so-called restoration agency, there are already journalistic investigations, because we have journalists. after all , it is a more effective and operational source such information, bigus did a good job digging around the kyiv region, so these are not unfortunate deputies who came to ask for their university there or for something else, it is most likely just a desire to sign a contract with a specific contractor for a certain amount, and there already with you can do something with this contract, and the last thing i'll say to you is, with all due
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respect to mustafa. we are a little familiar with him there, but he is now a civil servant who is in the zone of increased corruption risk, i just want to remind you that once the supreme council applauded when we appointed sinichenko is the head of the state property fund, and he twice heroically surrendered the people who gave him bribes, do you remember this happened in relation to the odesa port plant, and the whole public almost made a hero out of him, now he is a poor man hiding somewhere, because it turns out that not everything was so good, that is, we now see a very ineffective work of the recovery agency, there are a lot of problems, i will end with what i now remember, last summer, i had a very long conversation with a group of great friends of ukraine and the united states, and i was very advanced then a simple narrative, if we want to qualitatively rebuild ukraine, unfortunately, the system of power, the management system is so ineffective that we should not put money into the hands of ukrainian
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bureaucrats. just don't give in, create foreign funds, create foreign companies, give them some assignments, plans, let them carry out purchases themselves, let them implement projects themselves, and this is probably the only option in the near future, how we can secure the money of our allies , and i will remind you that it is not ours to rebuild taxes are the money of taxpayers in america and europe, so we are obliged to protect them, so i think, on the one hand , we will maximally... implement the tools of parliamentary control, on the other hand, i do not believe in the possibility of protecting these money as long as ukrainian officials have access to it. mr. olezh, please tell me, despite everything that is said about this, this is some kind of coincidence, on the day of dignity and freedom, with three people's deputies, the level of corruption is still high enough, it was and remains in
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ukraine, despite everything, can we to speak i... it was said that monopower, monocorruption, can we say that, eat, power that is in one hand, it requires a lot of responsibility, that is, if you take all the power, then you have to be responsible , including for all that is happening, for the corruption flows , for those who are caught and sent to sizzo, that is, they led, great power requires great responsibility, those who hold this power, can we say so, that the concentration of power in one hand speaks of the concentration of large funds which there are in the state, also in the same hands, who walk around in envelopes there with these cutlets, well, first of all, the inevitability of punishment, it is one of the basic principles, and it is very important that any crime sooner or later receives
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punishment for the person who committed it this crime, and what you are talking about, about the monopoly power that has been formed in the ukrainian state today, it definitely does not ensure the reversibility of punishment, because monopoly power is a temptation, and sooner or later this temptation will defeat that official who would maybe she didn't have honest intentions his path to the position he receives is paved, so i want to convince once again that monopolies are a step... to authoritarianism, and any authoritarianism is associated with crimes, including corruption crimes. secondly, i would very much like, and it resonated with me, so that we do not heroize mustafa nayem here, as a person who almost started a revolution of dignity, because i am convinced that those young people who
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came to the independence square in order to defend the european choice, the majority of them are not even convinced suspected the existence of such a mr. mustafa nayem, although it is very correct that he came together with many others to defend ukrainian statehood and our european choice. thirdly, i believe that the real problem here is not even grand larceny and not the tradition of grand larceny, which unfortunately did not stop even during full-scale aggression. here, the issue today is the return of concentration of financial resources in the higher echelons of power. the fact that step by... year with great efforts, including thanks to mr. oleksiy, as a people's deputy of ukraine, the previous convocation was broken in order to implement decentralization in the country, to distribute funds
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, to transfer responsibility and the possibility of decision-making to different levels of government, today it is being pulled up again, and the concentration of power, the concentration of financial resources , it definitely entails... and corruption, we are returning step by step, unfortunately, to the system that existed under yanukovych, when all financial resources were concentrated in the central authorities, and whether you like it or not, a small official, using completely different levers , including the levers of kickbacks and bribes, was forced to go to large offices and there somehow agree that part of the funds would go to the territory of his... village or to the territory of his electoral district, and this system is returning. the fact that funds from local budgets are being taken now under very seemingly good intentions is another example of the formation of such a centralized system
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of financial resource management, which goes hand in hand with corruption, which leads to corruption, therefore that officials with temptation will still appear, messengers will still appear who will carry this temptation... to carry it to the highest offices of the government and what we saw today will happen, or is it a coincidence that the detention or handing over of suspicion to people's deputies happened today, well, it's definitely not by chance, my colleagues, people's deputies, probably know something that is not known to the general public, but you know , such a rather funny incident happened today, but i would not like to be in the place of that people's deputy, whose door was kicked in the morning, and then it turned out that did not come to him, but they simply made a mistake in the address or made a mistake in the surname, i can imagine the state of this people's deputy , to whom the machine guns come, the nabu employees come accordingly , present the document, and then
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it turns out that they simply made a mistake in the address or the surname, that is, exactly this, what happened today did not happen by chance today, is it correct that it happened on the day when ukrainians honor the day of dignity and freedom, well, this is a very controversial issue, i am convinced that corruption must be fought, regardless of what day it is today, whether today is monday, whether today is friday, whether today is a holiday, or today is not a holiday, but i am convinced that today it carried a certain symbolism, because apart from the fact that 10 years ago ukrainians protection of our european values, our euro-atlantic... choice, we still have today, a demand, and i am convinced, our conscious choice to accept all those normative, legislative acts that will open the way for us to the decision of the european council on the start of
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negotiations of the procedure for ukraine's accession to of the european union, and among these demands we understand very well that the lion's share is precisely the fight against corruption, today the parliament voted for the extension of nabu's powers, today the parliament voted for changes in the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office, that is, all these things are actually connected , are symbolic enough, and i would very much like that, when making a decision , we would first, well, not reduce everything to some memorable dates, as in the soviet union , let's win by some anniversary of great october, so that we with understood that the cause of all the troubles that are happening today with corruption is, first of all, the concentration of power, it is the narrowing of financial flows to a few offices of the highest officials located in kyiv,
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and so that we understand that a corrupt country will definitely never fall to the european union, not to nato, but without membership in the european union and nato, talking about the completion of the victory of the revolution of dignity is definitely not an opportunity. well, allow me 20 seconds, please, mr. andrii, let's go, i just think it's important, several times and you in your question and a colleague used the phrase. the concentration of power and you somehow linked it to the concentration of flows, i believe that this is not important, for the fifth year of zelenskyi's presidency and the existence of a monocoalition, the concentration of power leads exclusively to the concentration of responsibility. remember how the first or second year of their work was, what did they do? they pointed , of course, with a finger at their predecessors, the old management tradition, it is as old as this world, it is not ukrainian, it is global,
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if... you want, but it was constantly repeated the same thing, there poroshenko, yatsenyuk, there all these people were named as the first cause of all the beats, but now, sorry, those times have already passed, we are in a very interesting situation, when it is already the fourth year, two years of kovid, almost two years of war, there is no normal appointment procedure in ukraine, we canceled competitions, because of the war, and as a result, the entire power pyramid, think about it, all of it, state institutions and state enterprises, it is managed by people who were simply appointed because someone likes them , as a result for everything only one place in this country should be responsible for this, because in the name of the president, all these people came to power, and this is not an exaggeration, it is a fact, and now volodymyr oleksandrovich should be largely responsible for this, and i understand why is he so nervous about it. thank you. mr. andriy, after a short pause on
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you draw your own conclusions. half-yearly defense debaltseve and the almost month-long resistance to a powerful winter assault by the enemy became an example of mass heroism of ukrainian soldiers and officers. the north caucasus district military court of russia sentenced ukrainian director oleg santsov to 20 years of strict regime. another figure in the case, oleksandr kolchenko, was given half as much. hello from poland, dear espresso, all viewers of espresso, employees of espresso, i am addressing everyone, because only we all together can create one big espresso family. this is already 10 years of your work, 10
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years of informing about political , economic, social events, it is also 10 years, espresso, for which i am very grateful, the most, i wish you to stop informing about war, and start informing about victory and about peace, because i believe , that it will come soon, happy birthday to espresso, and glory to ukraine. the broadcast continues on espresso tv, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i remind you that we are conducting a survey during the program, we ask you, dear viewers, whether it is necessary. in ukraine equate to treason, if so, you think so call 0800 211381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free it is important for us to know your opinion for those who watch separately on
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youtube our broadcast please like this video, and also vote there two options, yes no, or if you have any, additional or special opinion you can leave it under the comments in the comments under this video. let me remind you that andriy osachuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice faction, oleg synyutka, people's deputy of ukraine, are on the air with us today. european solidarity faction, oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, fatherland faction. we, gentlemen, are constantly talking about what to do with this corruption, and our western partners also say that corruption threatens ukraine, and there are demands from the european union to overcome corruption, and today you voted for two bills on the expansion of the state nabu and powers on the zk, although only in the first reading, that is, the anti-corruption bureau will now
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have 1,000 employees instead of 700, and this should happen in stages and outside competition, regarding nazk, then nazk will re-check the assets and property of officials that they acquired before being appointed to public positions, but 10 years have passed since the slogans, get rid of corruption from power, were announced on the euromaidan and what needs to be done to fight this , and fought, fought for 10 years, again we came to the fact that again we created a large infrastructure, anti-corruption, the legislation is excellent. nabu, nazk, sap, the anti-corruption court, well, it seemed, the dbr was approved in the supreme council, what else is not enough to stop this corruption overcome, mr. oleksiy, you started talking about it, well, it's not clear how to overcome this hydra, what, what should be done, or
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cut off the hands of friends of presidents, as zelsky once asked poroshenko at a debate, why are all your friends? with hands, well, now you can ask zelensky why all your friends are with hands, this is true, i just want to emphasize once again, that i support several theses that were said, were said, first, in any case, because believe me, and well, every reasonable, patriotic, adequate person, including my colleagues and me, of course we constantly think why it does not work, well , what should be done, because everyone is in a hurry and really ashamed. you see, it's a shame that in europe, when it's profitable for them, let's face it, because the relationship with ukraine is not very simple there , we understand, yes, there are countries that do not want and will sabotage our entry into the european union, we give them these trump cards this constant corruption, and they are corruption, corruption, that in poland they are talking
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about taxi corruption in ukraine, that in the states and so on and so on, first of all, i agree with mr. oleg that this structure of power is mono, which absolutely wrong, it was a huge mistake of the voters of our ukrainian people, don't be offended by me, friends, they decided to experiment, why this is very bad, because this mono government realized that it takes full responsibility for everything, it is fully responsible for the situation, that's for sure, but it does not allow absolutely any kind of cross control over any financial flows, over the actions of this or that institution, you see, there can be no control here, even the accounting chamber, which theoretically should be a tool the verkhovna rada and probably such opposition to control how money is distributed by the government, it is the same, i am not saying that there is no head, it is now dismantled, you understand, this accounting
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chamber, but all the same it will serve the people, because we understand , who are they going to bring there from the president's office, and this... it confuses me at all, as the head of the temporary special commission on energy security, i sent dozens of requests over the course of a year, show me the results of audits, the sign of naftagaz, ukrenergo, centerenerga, the gts operator, other state companies, no, they don’t give me these audits, they say, we checked, but the law enforcement immediately closed it all, well, tell me, how can you manage... the energy assets of a country where there is also a lot of corruption, you understand, if it’s all kept secret by a special with this, well, marasmatic procedure, unfortunately, it does the same thing: in other spheres as well, but it is breaking through, because it really is, unfortunately, we see that they cannot hold back this flow, therefore, in
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principle, in principle, now uh, i'm not convinced that the additional 300 is worth, well, 300 investigators in the nabu, yes, that they will radically change something there, well , it seems to me that everything is fine, this system is in this format, it somehow does not work, and there may be one of the options, this is a certain eh, control on the part of our partners, as european , and american, for overseas, and the reason for this is completely clear, we give you money, we help you, we have every right to control how you use our money, sorry, it will be difficult to argue against such logic, i understand that not everyone agrees, because there is such a certain loss here sovereignty, but... this situation is not trivial in our country, and it seems to me that these mechanisms may become dominant in the near future, at least the pressure from
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financial partners will be very powerful on us, we need to prepare and get used to this, by the way, the united states of america appointed a special representative, or rather, a special representative for the economic recovery of ukraine, and appointed a rather successful lady, penny pritzker, she. has ukrainian roots, her ancestors, and i'm sorry, serhiy, i 'll interrupt you, and you see, the whole visit, the main goal is a conversation, tete-tete with mr. zelsky, yes, because mrs. pritzker , excuse me, understands that in our country these roads lead somewhere, to bankovova street, and there is no need to hide it, you understand, no one needs to be fooled, all this goes to bank street, absolutely everyone knows that, but look. mr. andrii, i am addressing you, it is obvious that the situation in power will not change so quickly, well, the war will continue
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, there will be no elections, zelskyi, even if there are elections, he has a pretty good chance to be re-elected and bring all again team, well, maybe an updated team of some kind , and cosmetically update it and show a new team that will restore ukraine, all the same, this situation does not change. that is, how to control money, opportunities, corruption and everything else in this situation, there are americans who will monitor it, there are europeans who will monitor it, and still, sergey, first of all, i spoke about this discreetly last time year, now we must talk about it more loudly, especially in the last 4-5 months there, i am absolutely convinced that the task you... the war and the task to win any subsequent election completely contradicts each other. if volodymyr zelennya, his
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boys and girls, are still thinking about how they would win the parliamentary or presidential elections there, they are delaying the victory. because for victory, for an effective war, very tough and unpopular decisions are needed, otherwise it doesn't work, now we still don't make a lot of such decisions, because again, according to the old tradition... the servants of the people, they don't want to quarrel with the voters, the good it won't end, so i sincerely hope it does there will be awareness, i sincerely hope that what i have already said many times, i will repeat , i really want to, volodymyr zelenskyi was the president of victory, and the president of reconstruction, i hope, will be some other president, probably he is currently somewhere in military uniform duties of an officer of the ukrainian army, i don't care what his last name is, returning to the essence of your question. for the fifth year, i have been repeating to everyone 10 times a week that corruption is a consequence, it is not a cause, it is
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a consequence, we are constantly fighting the consequences, if you constantly have a high temperature and you knock it down with pills, you are not cured, you are deceiving yourself, you need to understand why you have such a temperature, the same with corruption, with corruption offenses, this is a consequence of an ineffective state system, i understand that it is more difficult for people, it is more difficult to work with it, this makes it more difficult to go to some meetings there, but the state machine is catastrophically inefficient, and it creates these corruption risks, which are used by low-quality state officials, who , again, are constantly being poisoned by everyone, including professional anti-corruption officers, you look at what kind of situation are we in, that over the last year, the 23rd, we ourselves once again unleashed hysteria around corruption, which, among other things , transformed into hatred of state institutions. people's deputies, all scoundrels,
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all state officials, scoundrels, all bribe takers and so on. but this is the state of ukraine and these are not some martians, these are our people, among them there are a lot of decent people who work day and night to save this country, but we pushed this story, and now there are a lot of our poor people in america, in europe, they say, oh, there is already corruption, why give them money, they will steal everything there, and we are trying to keep up with ourselves in this way , in general, all our measures to prevent corruption, you know, they look more like a desire to make something so ideal a mousetrap, put it in the most visible place, at this time they scatter grain in corners and no one looks after it, that is, once again, we need to build an effective system of public administration, we need to grow a professional bureaucracy, we need high-quality officials there, otherwise nothing will, thank you, literally
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a minute, mr. oleg, you have to summarize our conversation, i would really like people to remember that the existence of an anti-corruption system for many years is an illusion, an anti-corruption vertical, its formation was completed only at the beginning of 2019, i.e. 17 - the 18th year, it was precisely the process of forming an anti-corruption model and nabu, and the creation of sap, and all these structural changes, they only took place in the 17-18th year, in the 15th we stopped the racist aggression and began to revive as a state, well and come on friends, let's be honest, since the 19th year all these anti-corruption, vertical, today's government tried to break it, let's remember the struggle for the position of head of nabu in the parliament, well, you and i are witnesses, how the government wanted
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to subjugate the independence of anti-corruption bodies, to put their own person. a specialized anti-corruption prosecutor, the same story, the authorities did not want to have an independent body that would fight, regardless of surnames, offices and positions, again wanted to subordinate themselves, here is the reason, here is the key to the problem of fighting corruption, thank you , oleg synyutka, oleksiy kucherenko and andriy osachuk were guests of today's our, our program, gentlemen, i thank you for participating in the program, during this broadcast of ours. we conducted a survey, you were asked about this, is it necessary to equate corruption in ukraine with the state council, let's see the results of the survey , 93% yes, 7% no, these are the results of this survey, this was the verdict program of serhii rudenko, i say goodbye to you, bye tomorrow
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until 20:00, goodbye. in ukraine at 2 p.m. and for your attention, a news release on the espresso tv channel in iryna's studio koval, i welcome all viewers, and now to the most important thing. trying to prevent our counteroffensive, the russian occupiers have sharply increased the number of assaults and airstrikes in the tavria direction, said the commander of the tavria military group oleksandr tarnavskyi. over the course of a day, the enemy launched 29 airstrikes with one rocket and launched more than 900 artillery barrages. there were 38 combat clashes. there is no water supply in nikopol. due to russian shelling, the city

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