verdict by the prodigal rudenko, let's watch together, good evening, we are from ukraine. glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, see the verdict, many guests, many comments, many. we will discuss all that you are talking about in our studio, today in the program. the situation at the front on the eve of winter, which is happening on the front line and it is easy to expect changes, an insidious plan, the russians have accumulated a substantial stock of cruise missiles, as protect our critical infrastructure from blows? spoke again about the negotiations, which putin said at the g2 online summit. we are talking about this and other things today with

our guests, today we will have a politician-diplomat, roman bezsmertny and military expert valentyn badrrak. the second part of our program will feature people's deputies of ukraine, yaroslav yurchyshyn, rostyslav pavlenko and yevgenia kravchuk. however, before starting our long two-hour program, i suggest watching a video of how the armed forces of ukraine struck. on of the russian military, during the award ceremony in honor of the day of missile forces and artillery of the russian federation, it happened in the occupied part of ukraine, according to preliminary information, 25 occupiers went to a concert in kobzon, about 100 more were wounded, these are fighters from the 810th marine brigade infantry of the russian federation, let's see.

the conclusion for the occupiers is simple enough, there is nothing for them to do in ukraine, otherwise they will all leave. to a concert in kobzon. friends,

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well, since we are asking our tv viewers about the plan for the victory of ukraine over russia, then i will ask you the same question in order for our viewers to also orient themselves, to what extent our guests are oriented in whether they know about the plan for the victory over russia, or it is clear from that , which articulates the supreme commander-in-chief, and his team, about the plan to defeat russia, did you understand this plan. and how to implement this plan most importantly? the formulation of the question is absolutely correct, and i only know, let's say, the answers of individual scientists, scientists, military personnel, and analysts, who all the time offered their vision, but whether it is doctrinally, in some way formalized, and you can find out, except from how

periodically , political leaders, pay attention to the goal, because in fact, when talking about a certain strategy or tactic, it is very easy to determine when the goal is meant, and as far as i understand, i want to say here once again that as far as i understand, the goal is defined - it is the exit of the armed forces of ukraine to the state border in 1991, well, if so, to put it succinctly, and now in what way, ah in what way can we see , to guess, let's say, from the information that is in zmi, it is clear that part of this information is of a tactical closed nature and no one will ever tell about it, even after the victory, part, it is clear that it should be made out in the form of understandable messages, here there is a problem

because there is clearly not enough of such information today, and it is no accident that ukraine... periodically falls into pessimism in terms of information, in fact , for the last two weeks, we have been in such an internal pessimistic mood regarding information, which dominates, which, to be honest , , well, it is possible to explain where it is and from what it arose, but there are no objective reasons for such a position to dominate, and actually these are the latest events and international domestic ones. raramstein and the visit of the secretary of defense of the united states of america and the arrival of charles michel to ukraine and maya sanddu and a number of external decisions there in germany, in the united states of america, they were aimed at stabilizing the situation, but it is very difficult for me to go through all this,

because when i see, we are focused on such topics , there is like maidan 3, like elections. that's what it's all about, but nevertheless we have to digest all this, and in this we must resist these waves that periodically cover ukraine, and as for the answer to the directly posed question, i'm more inclined to say no than yes. today, mr. romana, a virtual meeting, summit, of the g20 took place and for the first time... since 2021 , vladimir putin is participating in this summit or rather has already participated, while xi jinping and joe biden did not participate in this summit, but maybe , the reason, including in putin, was, well, at least for joseph biden, that’s for sure

, and again, putin spoke again about the fact that russia never refused to negotiate the end of the war with ukraine, let’s listen to what he said there, some colleagues already in in their speeches they talked about the fact that they are shaken by aggression, the ongoing aggression of russia in ukraine. yes, of course, military actions are always a tragedy for specific people, specific families, and the country as a whole. and of course, we should think about how to end this. by the way, russia has never refused peace negotiations with ukraine, this is not russia, but ukraine, publicly announced that it is withdrawing from the negotiation process, and moreover, a decree, a decree of the head of state, was signed

, prohibiting such negotiations with russia , well, in this synchronicity, he was broader there, he compared history with... ukraine with hamas, which they say, you see, people are being killed there, and ukrainians were killing people in donbas, well, that is, he drew some such strange parallels, although the same joseph biden clearly said that there is no difference between putin and hamas, because they are fighting against democracy, against democratic countries, that putin, in general, came to this virtual platform of the g20 and that he spoke. doesn't this mean that the world is starting this process of rehabilitation, putin on the international arena, because actually giving a word, any word,

including an exculpatory one, to a murderer and a person who is now grinding the european state to powder, isn't this already a step toward meeting putin and extending his hand. well, mr. sergey, from my point of view, i would like this, the west, let's go, i'm still talking, i'm looking for such a neat expression that. in order not to spoil our relationship with you and the viewer , most likely, the initiative, not most likely, but the initiative belongs to those who, both last year and this year, spouted certain ideas, peace plans, there and so on, countries like brazil there and so on, and it's an attempt, well, if you don't speak rudely there, smiley face, fuhrer, add chili.

to add rotten gray matter to him, well, to some extent, to give him an enema, so that this intellectual constipation, which he had against the background of racist nazi ideas in russia, to somehow get him out of it, well, it is clear from this that in such measures neither biden nor xi jinping could participate, because they had traveled this road, but it was very important to travel such a road on rendrida, and to the prime minister of india, i'm not saying anymore, to the prime minister of malaysia, who until now to some extent, due to the circumstances that are developing, they still have hope somewhere, somewhere, that this moscow führer can be

to somehow bring to consciousness, these efforts can be made by anyone, and this is the case, i don't see things here, an attempt there to play along with him and so on, because it is no coincidence that on the eve of this event there from berlin, a signal was given that, well, come there somehow in moscow, of course, but from my point of view, i have deep feelings about it convinced fuhrer, he made his choice, and to have such conversations with him is a waste of time, because the world even now, knowing that the moscow fuhrer is not only related to direct aggression against ukraine, his hands are covered in blood and in a terrorist attack hamas on israel, he not only... participated in the decision-making, russia provided the training and training of these groups, providing

them with the appropriate technologies and weapons, this is known to everyone, it is only a pity that following the same course, it is possible that such similar measures, that's all about it it is not said openly and time is expected for these materials to be made public, but my conviction is that it is better to drag out time and give this background to moscow's filth, because anything can happen after that, and even there, these are minimal agreements that were reached in san francisco between the red dictator xi and president joseph biden, they can be broken at the expense of sabotage operations that this moscow furor can commit and so on, and, but, today in the world there are still politicians, states, political leaders, who else

they are hoping for something, well, these hopes are in vain, and i would wish them success, but in other things, because in this they will not succeed, and this was evident from the way this aphid squeezed out a word from himself, realizing that there, in several speeches, he was directly pointed out that you are carrying out aggression, that you violate the norms of international law, and for him to say, it's all the same, it's all the same , mr. roman, with putin, this virtual summit of the g20 is more or less clear, but it is not clear with lavrov, because the minister of foreign affairs of austria, alexander shallenberg said that they are waiting for sergey lavrov at the next meeting, the osce, the ministerial meeting, which will take place in skopje, he hopes that sergey lavrov will fly to this as well.

57 countries will participate in this meeting, and it also looks very strange, to be honest, taking into account the sanctions that exist against russia in europe and the policy pursued by russia in relation to ukraine, which claims to become a member of the european union, well, invite ribintrop there, well, russian, it at least somehow sounds very strange, although it is possible... with on the part of austria, it does not sound so strange, taking into account the fact that russian business was and remains quite strongly represented in austria, well, the point is, mr. sergey, that austria does not control the airspace of another state, and therefore you can invite anyone anywhere, anywhere, the plane has already been turned around once, well, they will turn it around again , and you understand, the osce is a very interesting organization, and in this case, well , it is obvious to them, they do not know about the fact that the russian planes, they they cannot get lost in the territory

of a european state, well, unless you can get there on foot there and so on, that is, here i look at it as another puncture, you know how they happen, then the olympic committee, then some sports will make a decision, then the obsie, well the obsie is, the organization is so condemned by russia, it is infected that there can be any things inside, but the meeting will not be in vienna, which means that the decision will not be made by the austrian government, but it will not be made, but it is made he is the national government, and the decisions there are unambiguous, neither lavrov, nor the russian plane, there is no way to land in this country, there is no absolutely no possibility, in the quite influential german publication deedside , a publication appeared entitled that if russia

wins in ukraine, its authors are the professor of the bundeswehr university in munich, carlo masala and the expert munich. of the nikolanga security conference, what they write, they explain the situation in the event that russia wins ukraine, they say that ukraine risks turning into a permanent hotbed of instability if the russian federation wins, they say it would not, if there is no armed forces, there will be partisan units, many weapons, and this will create tensions within ukraine. further, in russia, experts expect that in the event of a victory over ukraine, the strengthening of russian nationalism and neo-imperialism. as well as plans for new soldiers and a transition to open blackmail in the supply of energy resources, and the fact that russia 's victory over ukraine would have catastrophic consequences not only for europe, but most likely for the rest of the world, write these german experts, the germans, they are quite scrupulous in their assessments and forecasts, but they simulate a

situation in which ukraine can lose russia, do you think the leaders of western countries allow such a scenario or the development of such a scenario? well, if the leaders of the western countries allowed the defeat of ukraine, then they would not increase the aid, resource provision, including support, direct budget support, direct economic support, i am not saying that, increase in the supply of weapons, but ammunition and so on , despite all the fact that these countries should be given credit, they recognize the internal problems associated with the military-industrial complexes of these countries with problems in volumes production by these enterprises, with their contractual nature, the impossibility of mastering individual volumes under contracts and so on

, let's say here, i don't see any double game, but a similar article... similar materials, on the one hand, come out in order to argue why it is necessary ukraine should not only be given aid in the current volume, but also increase this aid, because at the level of the european establishment and elite, in principle, the answer to the question has been formed, at the popular level, and until now the discussion about the fact that it is possible to cooperate with russia in some way, that is why everyone, every self-respecting political force, appeals to scientists, to scientists, to people who are authoritative in certain sectors and industries, who explained to society why it is dangerous for europe, and

-ah, any dominance, even in the tactical situation of russia, why is it important to help ukraine, so that ukraine... in this war achieves its goal within the framework of the doctrine that is currently being implemented, because those names that are assigned in this doctrine now, there is a refusal plus and so on, where we are talking about a refusal in dominance, but force deterrence, which clearly argues russia's position from the point of view of the vast majority of states, that russia will not win this war, and this is the first point, and the second, the other extreme limit of aid should be deterrence from the possibility of application. of nuclear power, i.e. europe , the united states of america, they provide assistance based on these doctrinal limits, i.e. this approach

, the denial-plus doctrine, to prevent the victory of russia, but in no case not to provoke the use of nuclear power, including the current summit, it fits into the framework of this doctrine, which i am talking about, although it is quite difficult for me to say that it is definitely, definitely formalized, whether in washington or in brussels, it is rather a question of making approaches, because at the moment there are a number of existing problems with the release of weapons and ammunition, including in support programs for ukraine. mr. roman, a lot of foreign leaders visited ukraine over the course of two days. structures and states, including you have already mentioned maya sandda, the president of moldova and charles michel was also the two defense ministers

of the united states of america and germany, boris pistorius and lloyd austin, taking into account the fact that lloyd austin and boris pistorius came to kyiv specifically to show their physical support. on the territory of the ukrainian state are obviously of great importance for the future, before the events will develop, in the russian-ukrainian war, because everyone understands that now there are certain problems in ukraine in order to gain the potential for superiority over the russians on the eastern and southern fronts, according to you, here it is, it’s not... the actual arrival of pistoris and austin to ukraine, it is clear that there both the first and the second announced aid,

another aid to ukraine, but what usually happens behind the scenes , i.e. what kind of signal could they send to volodymyr zelenskyi and his team regarding the upcoming war, because simply perceiving these visits in a different way does not seem possible. well, if you analyze the information space of ukraine, at the moment of arrival, there are all these guests to a number of guests, let's say, ukraine was dominated by such a groan, and if you listen carefully to what minister lloyd austin said, what boris pistorius said, what charles michel said, the first thing they get is a clear message: ukraine will receive all the

assistance, it is clear that there will be a number of problems , as always, but not only receiving, and it will be increased and its quality will be ensured, not by chance, but in parallel , a number of problems that exist that need to be solved were voiced, this just emphasizes that , that they understand this complexity, but to help will be provided, especially based on the winter campaign and military and civil infrastructure assistance, because winter is winter, and anyone who has already experienced it in those difficult conditions understands its possible consequences, ah, if russia will implement your own plans, and this is the most important message, because it was necessary somehow to do this. which dominated, to compensate with rhetoric, and proposals, and help, and in fact, this was

voiced more than once during these meetings, and it is very important that this happens in conditions when the visit from of the united states of america, and the road is announced for ukraine to the european community, further, it is important here that ukraine is , in this case, the diesel on which moldova can enter, and this is also very important in this situation, and it is shown and so on, i.e. here is a whole series of messages, announcements that have been voiced, video series, which are encouraging enough even in the current conditions in order to stop these things that began to dominate after the congress sweated there, when there were some voiced proposals from berlin, not those that were accepted in kyiv and so on, and from my point of view, it is this series of arrivals, including the present one.

ramstein, all this is of serious, serious importance for the stabilization of the situation, including the meeting there with the military command, and with the commander-in-chief, with the ng, this is all very, very important in order to stabilize the situation that we are talking about we are talking now, and from my point of view, i hope that after this conversation about the elections, about maidan-3, they will fade into the background, no need, because the importance of things that were voiced, they were talking about a different mood, a different attitude, a different position of allies, partners, if, if you will, in the fight against russian aggression, even the current virtual summit that was held, from my point of view, it is appropriate to interpret it as

enema from those who still had... some hope, because actually the things that were voiced, they say that even these countries, they are on the side, on the side of ukraine, and one more thing that is very important, this, including the public things that were voiced, there was the address of secretary lloyd austin, which was voiced for the first time in this form, also speaks about personal. sympathy of the minister and as a representative of a great power in relation to ukraine. in this situation, i would dare to even suggest to quote and quote there the phrases voiced by president joseph biden in his washington post article, where he talks about the struggle of the ukrainian army, the ukrainian people against aggression, as an example to the whole world, a proposal that has been voiced. and

during his television address and so on, well, from my point of view, all these are important steps for in order to stabilize the situation and give confidence to ukraine that neither europe nor the united states will leave this path of support, and everything they can do, they will do, regardless of the fact that in europe, orban from fitzgerald, in the united states of america has its own fice there too. in the form of trump yes, but these are things that can be overcome from the point of view of systems that work both there and there, well, mr. roman, i can't help but ask you about the conversations that are taking place again next to the conversations about maidan-3, about the fact that there are certain problems between the civil and

the military leadership of ukraine, but in the context of what zelensky said in an interview with tabloid, what he said about the military and about politics, because it is very important, and for whom it was directed, it is necessary to understand that the military, who are going to engage in politics, should not engage in war, to quote the president: if a military man chooses to engage in politics, that is his right, then he must go into politics and then he cannot not engage in war, if you lead a war, meaning that tomorrow you will engage in politics or elections, then on words... and on the front line you behave like a politician, not like a military man, and i think this is a huge mistake, you can explain, and who is it actually addressed to, that is, if a politician is engaged in war, then what then, or the former the actor is engaged in war, well, you can continue this synonymous series or, some logical chain, mr.

sergey, you understand, in this case... you can quote thucydides or aristotle, who said, war is politics and stop talking about this topic, but let me a little i will clarify this situation, ah, i respect the fact that the western, western and ukrainian forces become twins, well, this is when the tabloid in the sun writes about security issues, and there the economist writes about the war, and bloomberg writes about the war, for me it looks like it sometimes happens in the ukrainian press, which was born to be tabloids, begins to deal with issues of security, defense and so on, i respect it, from the point of view of the desire to master more ...