[000:00:00;00] mr. sergius, you see, in this case you can quote thucydides or aristotle, who said that war is politics and stop talking about this topic, but let me clarify this situation a little bit, ah, i respect the fact that western, western and ukrainian media, they become twins, well, when it comes to security issues, they write... tablo it the sun, and there the economist writes about the war, and bloomberg writes about the war, for me it looks like, well, sometimes it happens in the ukrainian press, there, which was born to be tabloids, begins to engage

there with issues of security, defense and so on, i respect it from the point of view of the desire to master another... some sector there and so on, but if we talk about security issues there, well, i prefer to read foreign offers there or the washington post in the end, although he is there sometimes, he runs behind red flags, or publications that have people, journalists, who have the necessary knowledge to describe such things. now. the topic that is voiced, well, mr. sergiu, you know, it is wonderful that any king is played by the pochet, and this is humming, which for months, what this person said, and that person said that, and that person said this , well, instead of everyone doing their own business, it is poured over their heads that this person is engaged in politics, and he is engaged in military

affairs, and they should be minding their own business. and so on, from my point of view, this is a consequence of another informational and psychological operation of our enemy, and here it must be understood that both politicians and the military, they are called to play their role in the war, well, in particular, politicians, politicians, it must be said mr to the president, they rule because the military executes. in particular, politicians determine the purpose of the war, and the military ensures it, and when everyone has done their job, then that happiness comes, victory appears, from my point of view, both of them have something to do, and not to arrange similar, similar

discussions on the pages of the economist or the sun, and i would advise, with all the fibers of my soul, to turn over this page, because it is completely unproductive, it is pointless, but they continue to spin it, and it absolutely not needed, although many believes that it is possible to insert a surname here, but knowing some internal things, i can say that such theses have nothing to do with either zelenskyi or zaluzhnyi, that is, at the moment there are a number of surnames that are circulating in the public sphere, that is which, well, sometimes fill with skuma, and i did not accidentally say that honor always plays the king, and it is always necessary to remember this, including the first persons who sometimes reflect on the information that is placed on their table, i many of

i knew the offices near the presidents who were running to the president's office with newspapers and where the words were highlighted with a yellow marker, but the president sometimes not the presidents sometimes did not pay attention to the fact that those words were not even in quotation marks, but rather were headlines, that is, from my point of view, everyone should calm down, especially the key ones to the people who play in this situation, thank you, mr. roman, for the conversation. it was roman bezsmertny, a politician and diplomat. friends, we are working live on telekanaluso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on on these sites, please like this video so that it can be trended on youtube and facebook , and also vote in our poll, today we ask you about the following: do you know about ukraine's victory plan, yes, no, either please vote on youtube, everything is quite

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ukraine's victory plan? well, the situation is obvious, yes, we have the opportunity to operate with the data that we have in sight, and these are obvious data. on the one hand, we have the intention, through the western media, to shake up the situation and demonstrate that the war seems to have reached a dead end, although this is what appeared in the edition of the icons from the 20th, november, i would not call the war dead end corner, and the war was led to a dead end, led by the western partners, unfortunately, unfortunately, with their, well, too

slow investments in ukraine and too careful management of this war, this is not the first time i use these words in a phrase, and i want to repeat again that the whole situation... from the end of the 22nd year, somewhere, probably somewhere in october of the 22nd year, from the beginning of the first, and it started on october 10, 2022, these acts of terrorism began, of bombarding ukraine with missiles, then drones were added, and there were many, many opportunities for solutions and there were many... appeals and these appeals, they were primarily from western

experts, by the way, such as benhoj, yes, the former the commander of nato forces in europe, the american general, who very clearly said, give the appropriate missiles, army tactical system, missile system, that is, an attack with which, and it will be...' actually prepare the liberation of crimea, today we see before, if we go back directly to question, and the plan of victory, today we see several statements that we can interpret, on the one hand , putin's statement appeared, cynical, as always, lying, which has the meaning that russia, that is, has never been against negotiations with ukraine. and the second statement is from the president zelensky, that ukraine will never agree to end the war for the sake of

giving up crimea and donbas. but the truth is that ukraine is extremely dependent, critically dependent on the western world, regardless. on those, i would say, even titanic, sometimes efforts made in 23 by the national defense industry, this is a big step forward, a huge step forward, unfortunately, not yet a hyper leap, but a step forward, appeared in fact, clear contours of the potential of ukrainian production, and military-technical cooperation with such powerful structures as rhine metall, as byy systems, as turkish bcar, as well as some other projects with american

companies, modernization of anti-aircraft missile systems, i.e. a lot of things have been done, but now when time was wasted. well, in my opinion, from the fall, from october 22nd to october, precisely 23rd , the crisis began. politically in the united states, yes, of course, now the burden falls precisely on ukraine, the biggest burden, and on the one hand huge achievements that exist, there are achievements that can, well, in fact, turn from developments into effective weapons, and against this background,

against this background, there are certain, certain inhibitions in obtaining assistance for ukraine, primarily, primarily from the united states of the united states of america, and i, for example, am sure that the issue of logistical assistance will be resolved, the issue of direct supplies of weapons will be resolved, especially since this is money that will actually... remain in the united states of america in the form of orders. and here is the question of providing funds and support of the government of ukraine for including providing social benefits to military personnel, this is now under threat. and it is also not without reason that at this very moment, orbán, yes,

once again began his next act. threats that aid from the european union will be completely blocked, and here we have hungary, a partner that is trying to prevent ukraine from starting a war on parity terms, so to this we definitely cannot help but add what is happening in russia, because in certain transformations are also taking place in russia, and here i want to talk about menial the amount of information about or killings has increased many times, as it happened in crimea , a colonel, deputy chief of staff, a group of mobilized russians, killed in the territory of occupied crimea, he died a few days later, and they escaped, changed into civilian clothes, fled, on the contrary, to berdyansk in the occupied area, an officer of the airborne forces simply...' shot

the soldier for insults, that is, certain such transformations take place, when the tension explodes very sharply, explosively, well, let's say so, ending with explosive such results, and to this i would add statistics such that in russia as of last week, 1.75% of a million people received, or rather, as of september, at the beginning of the large-scale invasion of russia, received assistance from the ministry of social protection of the russian federation, this is what it says or about military personnel or members of their families, that is, one can imagine the number of participants in the war, to this it should be added that to

these... figures, 757 certificates of war veterans were ordered, and 230,000 certificates for families, that is, certificates , families, families the dead, for the families of the dead, 230,000, that is, we actually have figures that tell us: that even british intelligence, which last week reported that somewhere through the guardian, yes, that 300-4000 russians, either died, died, or, wounded, that in fact there is much more trauma in russia than it can be imagined, yes, in russia the silence of the lambs continues, yes, so to speak. but by the way,

last week such a structure as rushenfield did a study, and for the first time it turned out that 48% of russians are in favor of negotiations, so that stop the war, and here, if we compare all these data and return to your question, about the ukrainian victory, then it is certain that if the western world had endured all this and continued the aid at least at the level of what was before in the 23rd year , that is, at the level of the 23rd year, then we could count on... very serious progress in the 24th year, well, but , but look, mr. valentin, what the minister of defense of ukraine, rustem omer, says, he spoke at ramstein 17 today, he says that the only language that they understand, russians or moscow, this is power, and we

learned this language well, during this ramstein, there was a lot of talk about the anti-aircraft guns that should come to ukraine, because winter is coming. 800 rockets have been accumulated by the russians, according to ukrainian intelligence, they can fire at the objects of the civilian infrastructure of ukraine, including electric substations, as you can see, a change in the situation, a cardinal situation, because it is clear that this parity, which is the eastern and on the southern fronts, and this positional struggle, about which on... valery zaluzhnyi in zekonomist, it testifies to the fact that that ukraine lacks some components in order to prevail over the russians, or to cause them great pain in order for them to leave the ukrainian state, what do you think the west should do, what is lacking, if we analyze it by

components, what strength is lacking for for ukraine to prevail over the russians, i would start with god. that, before reaching the event, ukrainian politicians, the ukrainian authorities should sharply reduce the talk about victory, at the same time, leave it, give peace to the military command, and stop these talks, which or from some parliamentarians , such as bezugla there, or from representatives of the president's office, since the deputy head of the president's office allows himself to criticize the highest military command, that is , the ukrainian commander-in-chief, this is a very important element, i would say to harmonize the situation, yes, this is the first important a fundamental

point, this is not an emotion, it is simply a very important point, to stop excessive pressure and interference in the work of the military command. the second point is the western world. well, europe is taking the situation very seriously so far, and we can see according to the results of the ramsteins and according to the steps, we see germany, first of all, the netherlands in the second place, yes, in great britain, well less, but still and france, including, france provides very little help in comparison less . than the small netherlands, but it is the european countries that have increased aid very dramatically, this is very important, and it will not be able to fully compensate if there are losses from, say, american aid,

but it is a very large support, and in principle, it can add so to speak and americans forces, to a certain extent. next, the change in the quality of aid is a transition to completely different technological weapons, i want to say that so far we technologists of high-tech weapons have hardly received, we first received old or modernized soviet weapons, then old or modernized western weapons, and if we talk about the latest systems , then this is for sure ... only high-precision artillery hymars and high-precision ammunition, we need, look, now the united states has begun to dramatically arm, for example, japan,

south korea, last week dezhdep approved purchases by japan, four tamahawk missiles, yes, then 38, this is south korea, 38 for horizon missiles, anti-aircraft missiles , missile standard, with a range of 240 km at an altitude of 33 km, we now really need such weapons, similar in terms of their technological level, combat helicopters, speeding up the transfer of aircraft and increasing the number of aircraft, this is very important. well, definitely, definitely technological help for ukraine to speed up, which partners can do, help speed up, from the production

of ukrainian missiles and drones, that’s very fundamental, very important things, and here i can’t help but say, unfortunately, without it it will also be very difficult, here i can’t help but agree with president zelensky that the moment may come when we have to choose between support, our personnel of the armed forces , well, not the armed forces, the defense forces of ukraine. e and e social benefits, because we know that a large budget for defense, but 3/4 of this budget, it is directed to the personnel , to ensure the personnel, and allocate the corresponding financial support and various social benefits, and if there is no help from the government, it will be extremely difficult, these things are fundamental, but there is another global thing, global, which is related to

the work of the big seven and the eu and nato as a whole, and this is the name this, this global step, this, the implementation of a complete, complete ban on exports to the russian federation, except for food and medicine. let me remind you that the big seven... tried to consider this issue and implement it and it was aimed, or rather, planned for may this year, but then at the last moment the big seven saved and refused this, and then there were already calculations that after the century of the seven, such a step could be taken by the european union, and if it was done, then we would have certain achievements by the end of the 23rd year. in the field of technological deterrence, we do not see this yet, but we see that russia continues rearmament

, russia continues to build up, yes, there are mostly old low-tech weapons, but this situation continues, and continued in the 23rd year of the use of third countries, including , to thing, one of the countries of nato, turkey is not a secret, well, i am not talking about countries such as armenia, that is, former, from the former soviet camp or former countries of the ssr, well, also from countries that are traditional partners of russia, such as let's say myanmar, which enters such an open confrontation, now the fight is very powerful for india, very powerful, and the united states and eu partners. much in the direction of india moving to the western camp, and it

succeeded, some things were managed to be done when during the work of the g20 for in the absence of the leaders of china and russia, work was done, well, let's say this , to deprive china of the one belt, one road project, and india will support... this moment of boulogne , well, brics has actually been leveled in this this year in the 23rd, but it is still very little, at the global level it is a complete ban on exports and work with the second secondary sanctions at full speed, without this success of the western camp, well , it will be extremely difficult to count on the success of the western camp, especially against the background of what

the anti-western camp managed to do asymmetric a blow in the form of a hamas attack on israel and the opening of a second front in the middle east, yes, this is a very unfortunate situation, although it can be contained at this time, at this moment, and we can say that there are all signs that both saudi arabia and egypt , and qatar do not want fanfare. this war is being restrained, despite the fact that qatar used to be a financier of hamas to a certain extent, so the plans of iran and russia have not come true here yet, but for now this positional war continues, and it continues not so much on the battlefield, but here on the international plane , which today much more, well, weighty, so unfortunately, we have to state that it is much more weighty. and as the situation in the camps will be built here

, the following result may be the same, i am convinced... that here to a certain extent the western camp has advantages in the attack, if all the trump cards are used, and ukraine is the trump card in the battle of the western world with the anti-western , and if ukraine receives all the necessary, high-tech weapons and actual technologies for its missiles and for drones, well then, there will be a real victory, and this victory, it cannot be only on the battlefield, it cannot be a ukrainian victory, if we finally sum up what a ukrainian victory is, then on the battlefield there can only be prepared prerequisites for a general ukrainian victory, and this general ukrainian victory,

it must involve, well, the destruction of the regime putin or at least uh, his uh, well, demoralization is complete, when there will be, well, the absence of any actions and they want to continue the war, the war is real, and for this you need, if you take it, to transfer it back to the tactical level, these are daily strikes on infrastructure of russia in the occupied crimea, and this is a blow to the depths of russia, to the enterprises of the defense industry of the russian federation. these things are, in principle, in order to, well, shake up, and bring the russian groups to the point that they, on their own, either leave their positions, in fact, or

demonstrate complete demoralization and go into captivity and the like, or simply they left, well, as it was with kherson, here is such and such a prospect, it exists, but again, it can develop only under the conditions when there are several factors, not just one factor getting, for example, airplanes, something like that, and all the factors will add up, all the puzzles will add up to one picture. and unfortunately we have, well the lack of a lot of puzzles, there, i mean and the relegation there, and hungary , and slovakia, now, and to some extent, and the relegation of turkey, to some extent, and these things, they are definitely not may not bother, but in general, the prospects are such that they can

allow us to have much more. mood than at the beginning of the 23rd year. thank you, thank you, mr. valentin, for your detailed and extensive answer to my questions. it was valentyn badrrak, a military expert, a person who knows about military affairs in ukraine, practically everything. friends, we work live on tv channel uso, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, during our program we conduct polls, today we ask you about the following: do you know about ukraine's victory plan. yes no so if you are voting and sitting in front of the telly you can vote by phone 0800 2011 381 if you know about the win plan no 0800 2011 382 same we will have a poll in the second part of our program, which will start in literally 15 minutes, on our broadcast will be people 's deputies of ukraine, yevhennia kravchuk, rostyslav

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