[000:00:00;00] arose after the second world war, which give the right of consensus and the right of veto, and it is clearly this architecture of international organizations that needs to be overloaded, because if there is an aggressor state that has sneered at everything, at every sentence in the charter of an international organization, then it is obvious that it must be eliminated in some way, but there must be rules for this, mr. yaroslav, please tell me, is it even possible for everyone... that putin, after some period of time , will become a person with whom everyone will talk, sit down at the table of changes , or let's say shake hands, like a virtual handshake, today at the big twenty, maybe a certain time will pass, everyone will be tired of russia's war against ukraine and everyone will say, listen, let's talk to putin

at least somehow, because i know that russia is big, it will not go anywhere, that part of the world still lives on russian energy carriers, well, it is supported by india, brazil, who sell or resell these energy carriers, is this even possible, well, first of all, you need to understand that putin's aggression against ukraine is full-scale the war, which has been going on not since the 22nd, but since the 14th, with actually such consequences that a country that claimed to be some kind of alternative to the united states or a leader, actually an alternative of some global processes, now the country of sgo and the leader can only remotely to be included in the actual meeting, because otherwise there is a risk that

he will not fly to his destination, but ah , is it possible, everything is possible, unfortunately, here, and we remember the munich conspiracy, when actually hitler, who occupied the czech republic , welcomed, and even gave the opportunity to spend there of the olympic games and, although some of them blocked them there, but they took place, unfortunately, the so-called real politics, it exists, at the same time, we, as a parliament, we as a country do everything to prevent this from happening, and so so our actions should be as offensive as possible, despite the danger, i am grateful to our delegation, to the osce, in particular to ms. yevgenia, and to all the others who had the opportunity to visit yerevan, and armenia is one of the examples that russia does not gains, loses positions, and, that is, a permanent partner of russia on

the caucasus, actually ratified the rome statute and did not, well, which led to the fact that the russian delegation was banally afraid to come, because they could not let them in, but they could arrest them right there, in principle on the spot, and therefore, ah, i would like to say, everything is in our hands, in fact, everything is very crazy work and crazy, crazy sacrifices, we have to prevent this banally, if we relax, if we, the country, are led to this exhaustion by the so-called war, but, somehow, it is very unfortunate that our european partners are more likely to tire of ours, of the war in ukraine, than the ukrainians, who are constantly under fire every night, die in the trenches, civilians die, children are kidnapped, yes, we need to be more offensive, could this lead to

a revision of the entire geopolitical balance, well, let us remind you that the csce, the un, in principle , there the parliamentary assembly, the council of europe, were founded when the soviet union actively fought against colonialism, and these were, in particular, the mechanisms of the fight against colonialism, but for some reason only there british, there french, spanish, but not internal russian, so our now an important task is to convince not only the west, the western world, but also the global south, that is why there is now such attention to this region that, in fact, colonialism is not limited to them, that not only europe actually colonized there across the ocean, but also russia colonized neighboring nations, and the soviet union somewhat solved this

issue, but unfortunately not... completely, and now a banal colonial war continues, russia, as a former metropolis, does not allow ukraine to be, uh, independent, to independently influence... on its future, the world is always tired of warrior, the world will always look for options, how to come to an agreement, and therefore it is very important for us to support the coalition we have, the baltic countries, poland, despite even economic problems in the geopolitical plan, these are our most strategic partners, the czech republic, our own conviction united states that is out of order. forging the russian space on the basis of democracy is simply postponing another explosion, so even if russia grinds its teeth on ukraine, then in principle there will still be a challenge that

russia is not democratized, not disintegrated, it will simply try to win back its positions, and of course it will strive not to go there through the online cart, but to go to global summits and spread its own, its own propaganda of this russian measure, we have to oppose this with our partners, so far we are succeeding, we are intensifying our efforts, and then the most negative scenario that you just described will not materialize, thank you, mr. yaroslav, mr. rostislav, when the world is talking about the fact that we will support ukraine, that putin must be defeated. either in one language are we talking to the world about the victory of ukraine and the defeat of russia, or do we mean the same thing by our victory and by their defeat, well, a very important question, because

there is an extremely important aspect here, how ukraine is not just speaking in one language, because well based on the results, as if we speak the same language, appeal to the same values, use the same procedures. that is, to say that ukraine is somehow left alone, as it was 100 years ago, is fortunately impossible, but we see that indeed, after a year and a half of war, something is really changing and ee process of interaction with ukraine, and to the extent that admiration for ukrainian victories goes away, and populism begins to work in many countries, the economic factor begins to work, we need to find other arguments in order to keep attention and keep the world on our side, keep understanding that ukraine is an integral part of a democratic world that is under attack from the outside , under attack from russia, under attack from iran,

their proxies, and so on and so forth, and there are several levels here, and about one of them, i'm there spoke in the previous part regarding our internal reforms, but this is also a matter of being more proactive, with partners, colleagues said something about it in terms of a more active position of involvement of allies and the same, but it seems to me that in addition to this, it is also worth use various economic arguments concerning, for example, we all immediately say that the war is dragging on, there is a threat of transition to the positional phase and so on, then we are talking about the interest of the partners in long-term cooperation, in particular in defense technologies, in particular in the combination of modern science and in order to deprive russia of the numerical advantage it has, and thanks to the technological superiority of developed countries, to force them to withdraw from ukraine and to negotiate peace and the like,

and in the plot we saw putin showing off, they say they never stopped talking about peace, but we understand what they are talking about, for them peace is the capitulation of ukraine, it is the disappearance of ukraine, it is not peace in any way. and peace will come when russia ceases to exist as an imperial entity that continues to carry threat, and it is indeed an extremely important task for us to join nato and the eu , because it will become a barrier for russia, but also the task for the world is to find mechanisms that will tear out of russia, this sting, which it uses in order to it could not speculate on the processes within international organizations, could not use the mechanisms of these international organizations against themselves. it seems that today the european parliament has decided that it recommends that in the european union decisions are not made by consensus,

qualified majority. we see the threats of populism, we see how the leadership of hungary and slovakia are behaving , and if even the european union thinks about the reform of the issue of decision-making, then obviously this is an issue for the osce, obviously it is an issue for the united nations organization. and here, ukrainian diplomacy should be very active, offensive, in order to find alliances, find coalitions and also solve these issues, these are the three directions, internal reforms, economic interest and interaction with colleagues who are also interested in reform, the international legal order, it seems to me that at this stage of the war, they will allow us to seize the initiative again and go forward, by the way, you mentioned orbán, today there was information about what the prime minister of hungary wrote a letter to the head of the european council, charles michel, in which he threatens to block all decisions regarding the financing of ukraine, the opening of negotiations on the accession to the eu, which should

take place in december, or further sanctions against russia, if the eu leader does not revise the support strategy during the summit in december kyiv. the letter, the content of the letter is published by the politician, an excerpt, i will quote, the eurocouncil should sum up the results of the implementation and effectiveness of our current policy towards ukraine, as well as hold a frank discussion about the realism of the eu's strategic goals. in ukraine. ms. yevgenia, does this mean that hungary will always be this fifth wheel in the european union, which is basically, or should i say it another way, a trojan horse in the european union, which will constantly hinder us, because if there is a single common european politics, then a lot of questions arise for the european union itself, where is hungary still, because hungary is starting to blackmail despite everything

and is starting to impose certain conditions on the european community, despite the fact that they themselves are a country that receives a lot from the european union, and they are threatening to block aid to ukraine, which is currently waging a war from the russian federation? orban is actually trying to unblock the money that brussels does not give to budapest in this way, and because of problems with the rule of law, it is not a big secret that, according to different criteria, hungary asked very strongly for freedom of speech there, after that theirs, the judicial reform, which does not meet the criteria there, and there are about 13 billion euros , funds that are frozen, that is how orbán actually wants to get them, speculating, of course, with his right of veto, and well, i would still like to say , that it is not all of hungary, because indeed, even though it is in the minority there, the position is

absolutely adequate, and this is, well, actually the behavior of the prime minister, but again , we see certain trends in another country, the country , which are our neighbors, slovakia, so far it does not reach there any words about blocking and selling weapons, they are ready, because they have production and it is part of the economy, part of the gdp, but in the case of hungary , precisely if, well, the allocation of funds can be bypassed, because it can be, simply agreements between ukraine and individual countries of the european union, which are actually the biggest donors, so financial aid, then in the case of a decision, a political decision of the european council in december, after which they actually have to, well, officially open up, talk about

ukraine's accession to the european union, that's right this, well, tool, hungary, orbán will use, well, fully and, well , we must also be aware that in the case of fulfilling the seven points, we must do everything so that there are no questions for us, that we did not want something there to take into account or not to take into account, then our friends in other countries, yes in the capitals, will have arguments, well, after all, solve this issue with vegetables, so that they do not do it simply, because it is easy to do it from other countries, stupid, i excuse me, thank you, ms. evgenia, ladies and gentlemen, after a short break we will return to our broadcast, do not switch, please be with us. problems with the frontal joints

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call 0800 -211-381, if it is not known, then call the number 0800 2011-382, all calls to these numbers are free, it is important to know your opinion, what you think about it, and how you react to it, today we are on the air, people's deputies of ukraine, yevhennia kravchuk, rostyslav pavlenko, yaroslav yurchyshyn, and we have already started talk about orbán and how orbán is trying to put the interests of his own state above european interests or the european community, but at the same time we observed that slovakia and poland blocked the ukrainian border, slovakia seems to have already resolved the issue, with the poles it has not yet been resolved to the end, can you explain to us, mr. yaroslav, the logic of this european community, where we are going, and with which we have a problem with the border, because the border, the western

border for ukraine is a window to the world, we we know that we have problems with the black sea and with the departure of ships from our ports, and it is very important that everything that goes to ukraine arrives on time, and that these trucks that left ukraine for goods to europe do not stand in long queues, and the slovaks there or the poles did not make certain rules, special rules in order to communicate with ukrainian drivers and to delay these goods and create a certain shortage here, actually creating another front against ukraine. well, as colleagues mentioned a little earlier, unfortunately, there is a problem populism is not unique, it applies not only to countries where democracy is only being established, but is being built, such as ukraine, but also countries of stable democracy

, let’s remember how the united states once elected trump, purely on populist slogans, and unfortunately, the chance , that he...' will bog down and have a high score, still remains a big one. ah, the issue , actually, of blocking the border, demonstrates a certain inability in the inter-election period of poland itself, and the fact that pro-russian populists came to power in slovakia, ah, and why the issue was resolved quickly enough, actually... slovakia, this is due to the active position of their colleagues in the european union , first of all, the czech republic and in cooperation with the ukrainian side, i think that the further the government in poland stabilizes, the same issue will also be decided we must

remember that despite the fact that the values ​​and the basic level are indeed decisive for the european union, after all , europe began with common interests. the merger of coal and steel actually took place for the sake of fighting for these resources... but not primarily divided germany and france, and europe itself did not suffer from this. therefore, for us, all these painful, harsh examples, which in principle show us that we must always remember that countries, despite european integration, will have their own interests, encourage us only to one thing, to think very clearly about our personal steps to prepare for the fact that the negotiations with the european union will be quite painful, because it is necessary to find an understanding with

at least 27 subjects, and i agree with ms. yevgenia one hundred percent, orban, with all his public pathos about the fact that he cares about the rights of hungarians in ukraine, god forbid that ukrainians in hungary have such rights as hungarians have in ukraine now. and what is he worried about the fact that the resources of the european union are not used as effectively as we would like, especially in support of ukraine, he actually only disagrees about one thing, that he should be given access to the resources of the european community, which actually benefited the economy of hungary, because in them now a stalemate, orbán's populism in hungary has led to complications relations with the european union.

well, russia is exhausted by the war, it cannot, in principle, support hungary as it did before, that is, it is a real policy, unfortunately, we will be faced with the fact that the issue of ukraine, which is an extremely critical situation, defending the entire western world, fighting the aggressor country, will be a trading card in all future elections, and we need to prepare for this, we need... actually our international communication, using all methods, including parliamentary diplomacy to the maximum, simplifying and not complicating the procedure for crossing the border, especially for those people who are parliamentarians who actively work in the field of foreign policy, and to use any mechanisms, we are now facing a very difficult decision on december 14 about the start of official negotiations and of course

hungary will raise the stakes as much as possible if slovakia, in fact, in this case there is a very light arm of communication through the czech republic, and the united states, which has substantial influence despite fico's pro-russian orientation, that is with hungary, well, it will deal with its own classical extortion. either we block you from everything related to ukraine, or you return european funds to us, and well, i also recently returned from brussels, and the support group for ukraine, the european commission, which deals with the actual issue at the beginning of negotiations with ukraine, are quite calm, i understand that they have methods, thank you, mr. yaroslav, mr. rostislav, but we are already on the threshold of these negotiations, in fact , one... there, we see what is currently happening on our border with our neighbors, but there are obviously

some things that refers to the internal politics and internal problems that we have in ukraine, what in your opinion can stand in the way, from the conversation with the european union and this great preparation for joining the european union, and what tasks we have coped with, and what tasks have yet to be completed do we still have problems? well, i, too, as in the previous questions, could divide it into three components, the first is the internal ukrainian issues themselves, those that, well, the appeal to them, allow various populists in different countries to talk about the alleged unpreparedness of ukraine, well, it is obvious hungary is an example, i hope that in the parliament we will find a compromise solution, and the specialized committee there voted for it, in order to remove any educational issues there regarding what the hungarians tell us about, and for everything

else, it is necessary will work already using all possibilities and forces, here... i absolutely agree with you that here it is necessary to simplify, and not complicate, the procedure for the departure of people's deputies, and experts, and deputies of various levels, in order to increase the number of those negotiators, agitators in a good way in the sense of this word, which you convinced at various levels of the participants of the political process in other countries, and neighboring and distant countries, in order to remove all the layering of problems, and indeed the issues of freedom of speech, the rule of law and others, we must demonstrate here constant progress and positive changes in the atmosphere, so that our enemies would have nothing to complain about, on the contrary, our allies would always be able to say, well, look, they did one thing, they did another thing, they did a third thing , here is the law, here is its implementation, here is what

arose, raised a question, it has already been resolved, negotiators are actively being let in, everyone is involved, i think this will really... strengthen our positions, the second, well, it is connected with the first, it is just work at all levels in the countries, from on which the decision depends, these are now all countries, because each has the right of veto, and at least for this decision there will not be those structural changes that i said about, that the european union is thinking about the fact that maybe the right of veto should not be so absolute, this time , unfortunately, we will have to, will have to, with him to do business, that is why work here at different political levels would be very helpful, and as for hungary and poland and other neighbors and partners, it would allow them to show how beneficial it would be for them to work with ukraine and support ukraine, and not to follow their own devices populists, and the third issue is, of course, the formation

of this common interest so that we understand that ukraine is joining nato and the eu as a security donor is afraid of the common phrase that we are there protecting europe from the horde, fighting for the whole of europe, well, unfortunately, europeans are not like that believe, because they think that they will be protected by nato's perasolka, but there are many other issues, economic cooperation, security cooperation, they definitely understand that the more resounding defeat russia suffers, the safer they will definitely be in all senses, maybe they are very afraid of direct military invasion, but they... definitely understand that russia will strike on the economic front , the information front, cyber, everything else in the modern world, and very intertwined countries, and here ukraine definitely has something to offer allies and friends, and active work in these areas will allow us to really strengthen the impression that ukraine really protects the world from the outside, the democratic world from external threats, and this will definitely

simplify the negotiations for us, actually about joining the eu and nato. thank you, mr. rostislav, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in the program, it was yevhennia kravchuk, rostislav pavlenko and yaroslav yuurchyshyn. friends, i would like to remind you that during our program we conducted a poll, we asked you about the following: do you know about ukraine's victory plan. now we will see the results of this survey, because we conducted the survey both on youtube and on television, we can see that 9% say that they know about the plan pere. demands, and 91 no, well, obviously, this indicates the communication that is now, or is absent, between the authorities and citizens, our tv viewers, i hope that, after all, the ukrainian authorities will explain and formulate clearly what is the plan for ukraine's victory over russia, but we will say goodbye to these thoughts, i mean

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