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name is vlasta lazur, let's discuss the most important events of the day that is passing, so israel, hamas, that recognized by the eu and the usa as a terrorist organization, a truce was concluded in the meantime for the release of the hostages, the european union and the united states welcome and support this step, what will happen when all the hostages are released, what is the plan and whether the allies are ready to support him in this, in particular the united states states, and how will it directly affect the war in ukraine? i will remind you that president biden publicly compares hamas to russia. we will talk about all this in detail soon, but in the meantime, putin suggested that we think about ending hostilities. what suddenly happened, too let's discuss, well, literally in a minute we'll discuss security guarantees for ukraine. the european union has prepared a concept of security obligations to ukraine , bloomberg writes about it. what the eu can really offer

to kyiv and how reliable european security guarantees can be, this is discussed today in svoboda live, like this broadcast, let's get started. so, russian president vladimir putin today at the summit of the g20 countries, where he was present online, suddenly announced that moscow had never given up on peaceful negotiations and offered to think about ending hostilities, despite the fact that it was putin's decision to send troops into ukraine in february 22 that triggered the deadliest war in europe since world war ii and the most serious confrontation between russia and the west since the cold war. why is putin suddenly proposing to think about a truce. of india, mistress of fashion to all indians. yes, of course, military actions are always. yes, of course, military actions are always a tragedy for specific people, specific families, etc. of course we are

we have to think about how to stop this tragedy, by the way, russia has never refused peace talks with ukraine, it is not russia, but ukraine has publicly announced that it is withdrawing from the negotiation process, publicly announced that it is withdrawing from negotiation process. it is interesting that the summit of the g20 leaders, in which russian president putin decided to participate for the first time since the beginning of the invasion of ukraine, is taking place without two of them. leaders of world states. previously, the ministry of foreign affairs of india, which is actually the organizer of the summit, officially reported that the president of the united states, joe biden and the president of the people's republic of china xi jinping will not take part in the meeting, but the reasons for this decision, at least so far, have not been announced, about this also, about what is behind putin's proposal, about the truce, or hints of a truce, we will talk literally in one minute, but in the meantime, the leadership of the european union provided the member countries with a concept in which... about the long-term

security obligations of the eu to ukraine, at least this is reported by the bloomberg agency, which studied the draft document, and according to the data agency, the basis of the project is laid in the middle and there is a lot laid there, but mainly long-term military support for ukraine, support in demining territories, help in carrying out reforms necessary for the country to join the european union, exchange of intelligence data, satellite images, well, in the document it is also said that the supply of weapons will continue to be carried out through the european peace fund, which is financed by the contributions of the eu member states, and the ambassadors of the eu countries will discuss this project document this week, there are such expectations, the leaders of the bloc in december, notes bloomberg, and it is also reported that this very concept will be used during consultations with ukraine and the g7 countries. here it is worth recalling that back in the summer at the nato summit in vilnius, when ukraine hoped to receive an invitation to the alliance, the big seven adopted

a joint declaration in which each of the countries promised to assume long-term obligations in the sphere of ukraine's security. and just then the g7 countries promised to help with the supply. and training of the armed forces forces of ukraine, to provide financial, technical, political support to kyiv, kyiv, but at the same time, the actions of the guarantor states, in the event of a new russian military aggression, were formulated in this declaration very vaguely and actually amounted to consultations on the necessary support measures, that is what security guarantees can really offer the european union and whether it is worth relying on these security guarantees to the full extent, we will also talk about this now, oleg hrybachuk, the head of the center jointly, joins our broadcast. actions, vice-prime minister for issues of european integration, 2005, good evening, i greet you, i will start with these security guarantees, the concept, or rather, what long-term security obligations ukraine wants to receive from the european union, well, here i am

stressed by the word guarantees, because it reminds us of this budapest memorandum, because here in the guarantees there is no basic guarantee that in case of aggression... sign these bilateral agreements, they, they will defend ukraine, ukraine is not a member of nato, for us the best way of guarantee is nato membership, but this plan b is an opportunity for ukraine, to acquire such a military potential and the opportunity to deliver such a corresponding blow to the aggressor, which will be very , very painful for him, that is, it is conditional, very conditionally, you can say the israeli way, it is not a member of nato, well, it has its own agreement with the united states, which, by the way, and we've been offered a special partnership, and we'll see what kind of deal there is with the united states, because if there is such a deal with the united states, well, we can give in a little bit, that's it, well, let's see how the united states reacts

to the war in israel, which there the squadrons left abroad and as they very harshly formulate, warnings to other neighbors, i am not trying... to join forces there and destroy israel, so this is plan b, and it is based on what ukraine can receive, you listed a number of military aid , it will be formalized, and ukrainians in our audience immediately have a question, what about these filtsorbans, well, from what we hear, the europeans predicted orban’s option, it is not difficult to predict it, i don’t know how they will deal with it, because he gets some handout that he says never asks, but in fact, everyone knows that he always negotiates, or there will be other ways , but we are talking about bilateral agreements, and there may be a situation where, of all the countries that are members of the european union, ukraine will sign bilateral agreements with all of them, excluding fitz and

orban, there could be such a configuration, yes, that is, it is not about security guarantees from the european union, but about security guarantees from each, separately, well no, it is called, it is called security guarantees from the european union, but we are perfectly fine, actually we know that already not once, orbán's position there, and now he has gained more allies, it is very pro-russian, but logical, and they are trying to use internal democratic procedures in the european one, which is simply to block and they are not going to explain anything, so when now are such critical moments, when it is difficult the situation there with the congress in the united states, i am sure that we will receive funds there, but later, and here is orban, if kolipskopel jumps out to stop it here, then it will already be felt by ukrainians, so we are talking about the program of the european union,

but the european union is looking for options on how to minimize the risks of having such and such orbans in its ranks, but do i understand correctly that if now ukraine from the european union... signs some security guarantees, then in fact it will be a legal embodiment or, i don’t know, an embodiment on paper, what the european union is already doing for ukraine is not there, there will be nothing new. and including those ideas and hopes, as well as the declarations that took place at the nato summit in vilnius, when ukraine did not receive an invitation to nato, but it they said that you will have certain security guarantees there, this is one of them, well, it’s like, like something like, well, i won’t say that there is a replacement of the action plan regarding membership, but some kind of program for the full accession of ukraine to nato, we can call it that, because in that package there will be many steps of things that ukraine needs both for integration

into the european union and for integration into nato, but what it gives us, it establishes long-term prospects, long-term perspective support for ukraine, which will it is clear that the same bunker understood that the west is not turns away from ukraine, there is no need to disperse the traitor there, the west will not get tired, there is no need to wait... as long as trump wins there or something else wins, ukraine will have the support of the european union and european nato countries. we will talk about putin separately, but i also want to ask you, has the european union ever signed similar security guarantees with any countries in its history, or is this actually the first experience for brussels? well, as far as i remember, the european union very clearly distinguished... from military aid and any other

there are special security things, because in fact, the body that ensures the security of the european union has always been nato, and they had quite clear divisions there, it seems to me that the situation in ukraine, the scale of the war in ukraine, gave european politicians an understanding that already not to some gentlemen's backroom games or agreements, because we are talking about the real... security of the european union, and here it is no longer possible to transfer this hot potato to each other, but to develop a joint policy. you probably remember that you were there conversations, maybe they are living again about the fact that the european union should create some kind of security structure there in addition to nato, and some leaders there said that it is necessary to simply have a european security system instead of nato, but so far i do not see anything like that on the horizon , i understand that now we are talking about the need to unite democratic forces as much as possible before the threat of totalitarianism. but again, so that, as we are

now, i am sure that people who may not be at all related to the topic of security are listening, let's imagine that ukraine signs some kind of document, agreement , including a legal one, with the european union, something radically new, radically new weapons, maybe radically better, qualitatively different, i don't know for sure. ukraine will not receive umbrellas, in fact, it will simply confirm in the best case for a guarantee that the aid is as it is now, it will continue, i think that we have great chances of receiving high-quality other aid, firstly, because that it turned out that the entire european union does not have enough shells to provide ukraine according to due to the obligations that this million shells have, it turned out that the entire potential, the defense complex of the european

union and to a large extent the united states was not ready for such a large-scale war, therefore, if you do not have a lot of shells that can be to fire from there from howitzers, perhaps which are already 30-40 years old, then we need to compensate for this with modern weapons, and i think that we will receive long-range missiles. accurate, weapons systems, we will receive military assistance of a different level of quality, than we are getting now, of course, no one will tell us about it at the press conference, but that is why the ramsteins exist, that is why the ministers of defense come to ukraine so often, and that is why we have almost daily consultations with the world there, because now the world is already aware of the level of the threat, if at the beginning we said there that we are fighting for democracy, and the europeans there were smiling to themselves, saying, well, tell me, tell me, now this is the horror of this threat,

which has approached directly to the borders and in particular the borders member countries, baltic and other, about the desire to transition, which the russian revaches openly speak about, everyone understands that if the head and neck of russian aggression is not broken now, then it will climb further, and therefore this is a completely different level of cooperation, accordingly a different level... there must be help, today, by the way, it seems that ramshtein is passing on the 17th, and he is online, this, this is about the prospect of help, i still have security guarantees, such a question, very... probably the answer will also be subjective, nevertheless, from your point of view, what is woefully lacking in all of this security guarantees that ukraine can potentially receive, what is their weak point or achilles' heel, so to speak , in all the security guarantees that are given to ukraine? well, everyone, in our discussions all

points of view are subjective, i often joke that what i stated does not coincide with my official position, well, i have an official position... as such, there is none, but yes, we we subjectively analyze, i think that what is most lacking in the world is the understanding at the highest level of the danger of prolonging this war, that is , the hope that it will somehow subside there, you know, like a bonfire there, under the rain , something will happen there, putin will die, something will happen, some fractures, some collapses will happen, but somehow this problem will get wet, i just felt it. that there are hopes that somehow it will happen, these hopes still exist among a number of western governments, and another amazing story, in particular with your colleagues, western journalists, among whom there are a lot of leftists who simply stand for peace in the whole world , we remember, the soviet union was also

measured and desirable, and here and there as well strange, public opinion, okay? public opinion is always on the side of ukraine and in american politics, although there are terrible two-party systems, it mainly dominates in a number of european countries, but it does not dominate in some european countries, so this misunderstanding seems to them that, well, we are exaggerating, that it is possible to sit down and will agree that in any war , politicians always have the last word, they appeal... to ukraine, but they don't demand from putin, but putin, you heard his statement that putin always had a plan, russia has never attacked anyone, we know this very well, and this is a misunderstanding by politicians, somewhere, somewhere, there is probably still a certain fear, well , because it is a big, crazy nuclear country, and they do not know the answers to these questions, and they simply do not really want to

, but i have seen it more than once at conferences, they refuse even off the record, just to talk about possible scenarios, it is so physically you feel that they are like my dog, sometimes you look away, you look at them, you ask them directly, and they just talk about something completely different , about putin, and, by the way, today, for the first time since the beginning of the full-scale invasion of ukraine, he participated online in the meeting of the leaders of the g20 states, and presented himself, showed himself to be a great supporter of the negotiations and declared that something must be done with the such statements, this is what they are talking about, and do they mean something, or i just don’t know, informational noise and should not be paid attention to, although it seems to me that putin always says everything in pursuit of some specific goal, well, but he is far from speaks for the first time he always, i don't know, as always, well, in my opinion, for more than a year, he talks about the fact that

russia proposed a peace plan, he doesn't say that according to this peace plan it is necessary... to give a third of the ukrainian territories there , and give up the security system, nato membership, he doesn't talk about it, but he shows some piece of paper and says: somewhere in istanbul, an agreement was signed, and then ukraine changed its relations dramatically, then he talks about that they are ready for negotiations, simply, he never says about how he sees this decision, if in order to finish it, he just needs to get the hell out of the territory of ukraine, then it doesn't look like that to him. he has a number of conditions, including denazification, and so on, so he is not saying this for the first time, not at all for the first time, and on international podiums, it is very revealing, in fact, you said this at the 2nd edition, where putin joined , didn't want to include joe biden and sisinping, it's very kind of bad, bad for putin, kind of

offensive, it sounds like it for him, but it talks about the positions of these countries so that they do not tell us, the fact itself, they understand perfectly. the consequences of his refusal, because these are the two largest countries, and russia was once a member of the twenty, so we can not waste time guessing what putin wanted, he continues to appeal to this global south, there are many countries that have joined, he wants to convince these countries, what is he, for peace in all peace, and it is necessary to force ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table, nothing new, maybe this means that russia no longer has the strength to lead war and he hints, so to speak, to sprinkle it or not, whether it is exclusively such a speech has a political interest to find any more. supporters in the world, well, when we say forces, well, he doesn’t care about people , he still has a hundred million there, they just

throw them into this meat grinder and don’t even count, the equipment is outdated, they have enough, i’ll just turn attention, that a number of western analytical centers say that russia is not exhausted, that it is not felt that putin wants, that putin feels this way. this way onaconte, as kurtwalker said on one from the conference, that it is necessary to squeeze putin so much that the pain becomes unbearable, and then there will be negotiations, now we do not see the unbearableness of the fight, because despite the sanctions, they earn very well from the oil trade, there the sanctions will increase, but the conjuncture is different, in a word , their economy has switched to military flights, no one cares about social programs, putin has never worried about, well, elections. this is not an election campaign, he will be reappointed as the president of russia, so i don't see any signs that he is hurt, but when will he

it hurts, he will behave differently, and we will see and hear, there are already a number of mediators, people who are very willing to sit down at the negotiating table, but fundamentally for ukraine, in my opinion, zelskyi recently said again that it is he - according to my plans, trump said that if you talk about giving up the territories and there will be peace, then the peace formula absolutely does not rule the ukrainians, and in an interview with fox news, he said that he is ready to talk with the ex-president of the united states, donald trump and may even familiarize himself with the peace plan, if trump has one, we have a clip of that conversation by the way, we can listen briefly now and continue, president trump said he can make a peace deal very quickly, let's talk to them, let's give him an opportunity to show what steps his... peace formula is made up. would you like to sit down and talk to him? yes, i am willing, if he has a very specific peace plan, he can share it with me. yes, we can stop this war if we give donbass

and crimea to russia. i believe that our country is not will be ready for such a peace plan, this is not a peace plan. well, look, zelensky is literally calling trump to a meeting, to negotiations. and trump somehow does not react, he goes there in front of his electorate, tells that he has peace. plan, but it seems that he is not going to go to kyiv, or at least somewhere else to meet with zelsky, well, trump, he is very polite, he said that it is somehow wrong, incorrect in relation to president biden and his administration behind his back the current president, well, he will be say whatever you want, but trump is trump, he is currently busy with court hearings, an army of lawyers, and somehow it is difficult to take into account his logic, and it is clear to me that, of course, he is not going to ukraine, for various reasons, maybe for the same reasons

, that neither putin nor trump cares about ukraine, it ruined his life politically, with various scandals, and he cannot hide it, so that they do not tell us about the two-party system, that the republicans are supporting ukraine , which is great among american voters the level of support for ukraine, the arrival of trump, it will be such an insurmountable obstacle in our relations, and hope for it very much, but agree that we must be ready for this, of course, of course, and for this we must do what we are doing now with europeans, for this it is necessary to build this system of bilateral guarantees, to make some internal small alliances with like-minded people in the european union, to get more weapons and to build arbitrary relations with the europeans and count on the fact that everything is just some part of the american there will be help, because although trump is such a person who can

calmly throw out his agenda and nato and the european union, and it is not for nothing that some publication said that trump's coming to power will be a global catastrophe , geopolitical, well, but it is necessary to prepare for a disaster, but at least trump was already president, well, as such a very big disaster , i don’t think it happened, nevertheless, we will see, thank you very much, oleg rybachuk, head of the center for joint actions, deputy prime minister for european integration in 2005, thank you very, one more topic: the israeli government has approved an agreement with the hamas group, which provides for the release of some of the captured hostages in exchange for palestinian prisoners and a temporary ceasefire. i would like to remind you that hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization in the usa and the european union, nevertheless, today both the usa and the european union welcomed this prospect of releasing the hostages. so

the agreement provides that hamas will release. 50 women and children within four days, during which time there will be no hostilities in the gaza strip, israel will release 150 in response palestinian women and teenagers in israeli prisons. during the cease-fire , hundreds of trucks with humanitarian aid, medicines and fuel will be able to enter gaza, reuters quotes a hamas statement. in turn , the government of israel stated that it is ready to extend the pause in hostilities for one day for every 10 additional hostages released. representatives of qatar, egypt and the usa acted as mediators in the negotiations. in the statement of the ministry of foreign affairs of qatar, in particular, it is said that a humanitarian pause in the gas sector will be announced in the next day, and they are already appearing reports, including from a number of media outlets, including the bbc, that a pause in hostilities between israel and hamas will begin tomorrow at 10 a.m., and the first release of hostages could take place around noon. what do the residents of israel say about the possible temporary.

with hamas, the opinion of the israelis is mixed, listen, on the one hand i am very happy that the hostages are coming home, we do not sleep, neither night nor day, we think about the hostages, we are torn from the inside, on the other hand , i have mixed feelings because there many more abductees who still remain there, we are not we know how, when or at what stage they will return, unfortunately i do not trust the government at any stage, in any decision, however i sincerely hope that they will continue to solve the issue of the abductees and keep it on the agenda. this is not enough and this arrangement is on their terms, they will do as they please, return the mothers without their children, or with only one child, leaving all the parents. these are our people, we need to bring them all back. they decide for themselves what they want in this agreement firing 50 people is good for them,

they need to care. people , feed them, give medicine, they don't have those resources, they better release these people, but they want to show that we are doing what they want, according to their terms. i think everyone is very hopeful that the children will come home and everyone who comes home is very important to us, obviously it is very difficult, there are risks, i think everyone is afraid that this will give hamas time to reorganize and we will pay the price of the fact that there are more of our soldiers will be killed it is a mixture of emotions, both sad and in some places happy. i'm glad to see the hostages come back, but at the same time, what the consequences will be if we give back bad people who have done terrible things, it's scary. we are happy for everyone who will come out and be released, and we are still thinking about the people who will stay

there. it's...really painfully tearing me apart. these are the different opinions of the israelis, i will remind you that this is the first agreement between israel and hamas, which was concluded after the attack by hamas on israel on october 7, during the attack, i do not know, i will remind you, the militants killed more than 1,200 people, citizens of israel, or guests of the country and took about 240 people hostage. the israeli army, in response to the actions of hamas, began to strike the gaza strip, well, and then began a ground operation, according to the ministry of health in the gaza strip controlled by hamas , more than 14,000 people died during the palestinian-israeli conflict, but independent confirmation of this information there is no oleksandr samarskyi, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador to iran 2010-14 joins our broadcast. good evening to you. good evening. what does this temporary truce between hamas and israel mean? it is difficult for me

to say in detail. i'm not an expert on the middle east, because iran is not the middle east, uh, and there's hardly anything more to add here than what these people said in your excerpt that was given in the interview. there is a tragedy, the tragedy is resolved somehow, there are hostages, who of them is alive, who is not alive, we do not know, we can extrapolate this situation to us. we know that thousands of our people are in russian captivity, maybe not a thousand, but hundreds of civilians have been kidnapped, that is, they are hostages, and the return of each of these people to their homes is, of course, a big event both for their personal lives and for all their relatives, but again, the question

of price arises here.