[000:00:00;00] at the same level, the discussion about the possibility of cooperation with russia in some way continues, therefore, every self-respecting political force appeals to scientists, scientists, and people who are authoritative in certain sectors and industries, who explained to society why it is dangerous for europe, and any... dominance even in the tactical situation of russia, why it is important to help ukraine so that ukraine in this war achieves its goal within the framework of the doctrine that is currently being implemented, because those names that are in this doctrine is now assigned a refusal plus

and so on, where we are talking about the refusal of dominance, but forceful deterrence, which clearly argues the position of russia from the point of view of the vast majority of states, that russia will not win this war, and this is the first point, and the second, the other extreme limit of assistance should be deterrence from the possibility of using nuclear force, that is europe, the united states of america, they provide assistance based on these doctrinal limits, that is, this approach of the doctrine of refusal plus, to prevent the victory of russia, but in no case to provoke the use of nuclear force, and in including the current summit, it fits into the framework of this doctrine, which i am talking about, although it is quite difficult for me to say that it is finally and finally formalized, whether in washington or in brussels, it is rather a question of making approaches,

because on... on at the moment, there are a number of existing problems with the production of weapons and ammunition, including those in ukraine's support programs. mr. roman, over the course of two days , many leaders of foreign structures and states visited ukraine, including, you already mentioned mayusanda, the president of moldova, and charles michel was there, and two ministers of the united states of america and germany, boris pistorius and lloyd austin, considering the fact that lloyd austin and boris pistorius came to kyiv precisely in order to testify their support directly physically, on the territory of ukraine

states are obviously of great importance for the future, before the events will develop, in the russo-ukrainian war, because everyone understands that there are certain problems in ukraine now in order to gain the potential to prevail over the russians in the east and south fronts according to you, this is not just a ritual arrival of pistorius and austin to ukraine, it is clear that there both the first and second announced the assistance of another. aid to ukraine, but what usually happens behind the scenes, i.e. what kind of signal could they give to volodymyr zelenskyi and the team regarding the upcoming war, because it is simply a different way of perceiving these visits, well, it does not appear, maybe, well, if you analyze the information space of ukraine , but at the time of arrival

, there are a number of guests of these guests. let's say yes, such a moan dominated in ukraine and if you listen carefully to what minister lloyd austin said, what boris pistorius said, what charles michel said, the first thing they do is a clear message, ukraine will receive all the planned assistance, it is clear that there there will be, as usual, these number of problems, but not only receiving, but also it will be increased and its quality will be ensured, not by chance, but in parallel, a number of problems that exist that need to be solved were voiced, this just emphasizes what they understand this difficulty, but help will be provided,

especially based on the winter campaign, both military and aid , to civil infrastructure, because winter is winter and whoever has already experienced it in those difficult conditions understands its possible consequences if russia will...' implement its own plans , and this is the most important message, because it was necessary to somehow compensate for this moaning, which dominated, with rhetoric, and proposals, and help, in fact, this was voiced more than once during these meetings, and it is very important that this is happening in the conditions , when visiting from the united states of america, dear is voiced... ukraine to the european community, further, it is important here that ukraine is in this case the diesel on which moldova can enter, and this is also very important in this situation, and it is shown, and so

on , that is, there is a whole series of messages, messages that have been announced, video series that are sufficiently encouraging even in the current conditions to stop these things that began to dominate, after the congress stumbled there, when some proposals were announced there from berlin, not those that were perceived in kyiv and so on, and from my point of view, this this series of visits, including the holding of the 17th ramstein, all this is of serious, serious importance for the stabilization of the situation, including the meeting there with the military command and with the commander-in-chief and with the ngsh, all of this is very, very important for that , in order to stabilize the situation we are talking about now, from my point of view, i hope that after this conversation about the elections, about

maidan 3, they will take a back seat, if not necessary, because the importance of things that were voiced, they seem to be talking about another mood, a different attitude, a different position. allies, partners, if, if you will, in the fight against russian aggression, even the current virtual summit, which was held, from my point of view, should be interpreted as an enema from those who still had some hope, because in fact those things that were voiced, they say that even these countries, they are on the side, on the side of ukraine. and one more thing that is very important, including the public things that were announced, there was an address by secretary lloyd austin, which for the first time

was voiced in this form, it also speaks of the personal sympathies of the minister and as a representative of a great power in relation to ukraine. in this situation, i would even dare to offer. to quote and quote there the phrases voiced by president joseph biden in his washington post article, where he talks about the struggle of the ukrainian army, the ukrainian people against aggression, as an example in this world, the proposal that was voiced during his televised address and so on, well this is all from my point of view important steps in order to stabilize the situation and add to ukraine's confidence that neither europe nor the united states will leave this path of support and everything they can do, they will do,

regardless of where in europe, orbán with fizo, in the united states of america, there are also fizos in the form of trump, but these are things that can be overcome from the point of view of the systems that work both there and there, well, mr. roman, i can’t help but ask you about the conversations that are going on, again next to the conversations about maidan-3, about that there are certain problems between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, but in the context of what zelensky said in an interview with tabloid the sun, what he said about the military and politics, because it is very important, and for whom it was directed, it is necessary to understand that the military who are going to engage in war should not engage in war, i will quote the president: if a military man decides to engage in politics, that is his right, then he must go into politics, and then he cannot, cannot engage in war, if you lead

a war with remember that tomorrow you will engage in politics or elections, then in words and on the front lines you behave like a politician, not like a military man, and i think that this is a huge mistake, you can explain, and who is it actually addressed to, that is, if a politician is engaged in war, then what then, is the former actor engaged in war, well, can this synonymous series, or er, some logical chain continue and continue? mr. sergius, you understand, in this case you can quote thucydides or aristotle, who said that war is politics and stop talking about this topic, but allow me a little, i will clarify this situation. i respect the fact that the western , western snakes, ukrainian, they become twins, well, this is when... about,

security issues, writes the scoreboard in the sun, ah, there is the publication, the economist writes about the war, and bloomberg writes about the war, ah, for me, it looks like, well, how it sometimes happens in the ukrainian press, which, born to be tabloids, begins to deal with issues of security and defense there. and so on, i respect it from the point of view of wanting to master some more sector there and so on, but if to talk about security issues there, well, i prefer to read foreign offers there or the washington post in the end, although it is also there sometimes, running behind red flags, or publications that have people, journalists, who have

the necessary knowledge to to describe such things, now the topic that has been voiced, well, mr. sergius, you know, it is wonderful that any king is played by honor, and this is this buzzing, which for months, what he said here, and he said that, and that said otake, well, instead of doing things to each his own in the end affairs, it is poured on their heads that this one is engaged in politics, and that one is engaged in military affairs, and they should be engaged in their own affairs and so on, from my point of view, this is a consequence of another informational and psychological operation of our enemy, and here it is necessary to understand that both politicians and the military, they are called to play their role in the war, well, politicians in particular , politicians must tell mr. president they are in charge, because

the military executes, in particular, the politicians determine the purpose of the war, and the military ensures it, and when everyone did their part work, then comes that happiness, which is called victory, from my point of view, here both one and the other are something to do, and not arrange such discussions on the pages of the economist or the sun, and i would advise you to turn this page with all the fibers of your soul , because it is completely unproductive, it is for no reason, but it is continued, if it were to be twisted, and it is absolutely unnecessary, although many believe that it is possible to insert a surname here, but knowing some internal things, i can say that such people have

no relationship neither to zelensky nor to zaluzhnyi, that is, at the moment there are a number of surnames that are circulating in the public sphere , and that, well, sometimes cause a stir, and it was not by chance that i said that this king is always honored, and we must always remember this, in that including the first persons who sometimes reflect on the information that is placed on their table. i knew many people from the offices near the presidents, who ran to the president's office, with newspapers and where words were highlighted with a yellow marker, but the president, sometimes not the presidents , sometimes did not pay attention to the fact that those words there were not even quotation marks, but there were headlines, that is, from my point of view , everyone, especially the key persons who play in this situation, should calm down. thank you,

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calls are free, we have more on the air valentyn badrrak, director of the center for army research, conversion and disarmament, expert, mr. valentin, i welcome you and thank you for joining our broadcast, congratulations, mr. serhiy, as always, thank you for the invitation, well, since we ask our viewers, and roman bezsmertny was already asked, in the format of a blitz poll, do you know about the plan for the victory of ukraine? well, the situation is obvious, yes, we have the opportunity to operate with the data we have at our disposal, and these are obvious data, on the one hand we have through the western

i intend to shake up the situation and demonstrate that the war seems to have come to a dead end, although this is what appeared in the edition of the icons from november 20, i would not call the war a dead end, but the war was brought to a western partners, unfortunately, unfortunately, with their, their, well, too slow investments in ukraine and too careful management of this war, this is not the first time i have used this word, in a phrase... and i want to repeat again that the whole situation from the end on the 22nd of the year, somewhere probably around october 22nd year, from the beginning of the first, and it started on october 10, 22, these acts

, terrorist acts, bombardment of ukraine with missiles, then drones were added there, and there were... many, many opportunities for solutions and there were many appeals and appeals these they were primarily from western specialists such as benhoj, yes , the former commander of nato forces in europe, an american general who very clearly said, give the appropriate missiles, army tactical system, missile system, that is, attacks with which there will actually be an opportunity to prepare the liberation of crimea, today we see, before, if we return directly to the question, and the victory plan, then today we see several statements that we can

interpret, on the one hand , putin's statement appeared, cynical, as always lying, which. .. it means that russia has apparently never been against negotiations with ukraine, and the second statement is from president zelenskyi that ukraine will never agree to end the war in exchange for giving up crimea and donbas. but the truth is that ukraine is located in huge addiction. in critical dependence on the western world, despite the, i would say, even titanic, sometimes, efforts made in the year 23 by the national defense industry, this is a big step forward, a huge step forward, unfortunately, so far on

a hyperleap, but a step forward, in fact, clear contours of the potential of ukrainian production appeared, and contours of military-technical cooperation with such powerful structures as rain metal, as by systems, as baycar, the turkish machine, and so on some other projects with american companies have been carried out on the modernization of anti-aircraft missile systems, that is, a lot has been done, a lot, but... now that time has been lost, well, in my opinion, from the fall, from october 22nd to october, exactly. .. in the 23rd year, a political crisis in the united

states came, yes, of course, now the burden falls on ukraine, the biggest burden, and on the one hand, these huge achievements that are, are, achievements that are about to can, well, in fact, turn from... into effective weapons, and in the background of this, in the background of this, there are certain, certain delays in receiving aid for ukraine, in particular, primarily from the united states of america, and i, for example, am sure that the issue of material and technical assistance will be resolved, the issue of direct supplies of weapons will decided especially since this is money that will actually remain in the united states of america in the form

of orders. and here is the issue of providing funds and support to the government of ukraine in order to, including, provide social benefits and, above all, to military personnel, this is now under threat, and also not without reason, it was at this moment that orbán... er, yes, again , began his next act of threats that aid from the european union would be completely blocked, and this is hungary, a partner that is trying to prevent for ukraine to enter the war on parity terms, therefore, to this , of course, one cannot help but add what is happening in russia, because there are also certain transformations taking place in russia, and here i already want to say about the menal front, much more,

the amount of information about, or the killing, as it happened in crimea, of a colonel, deputy chief of staff, was killed by a group of mobilized russians on the territory of occupied crimea, he died a few days later, and they fled, changed into civilian clothes, fled, on the contrary, to berdyansk, occupied, officer, airborne forces simply shot the soldier for insults. that is, certain such transformations take place, when the tension explodes very sharply, explosively , well, let's say it this way, ends with explosive results like this, and to this i would add statistics such that in russia as of

last week 1.75% of people received, or rather, as of september, from the beginning of the large-scale invasion of russia, they received help from the ministry of social protection of the russian federation, this refers to either military personnel or members of their families, that is, you can imagine the amount of war, to this it should be added that to these figures, that 757 war veterans' certificates were ordered, and 230,000, certificates, for families , that is, certificates, families, families of the deceased, for the families of the deceased, 230,000, that is... we actually have

figures that tell us that even, british intelligence, which last week reported that somewhere through the guardian, yes, that 300-4000 russians were either killed, killed, or wounded, which is actually much more traumatic in russia than you can imagine. yes, the silence of the lambs continues in russia, yes, so to speak, but by the way, last week such a structure conducted a study, and for the first time it turned out that 48% of russians are in favor of negotiations, in order to end the war, and here, if you compare all these data and to return to your question about the ukrainian victory, then of course what if zahidnyi

the world endured all this and it continued to help at least at the level of that which was before that in the 23rd year, that is, at the level of the 23rd year, then we could count on very serious progress in the 24th year, well, but , but look, mr. valentin, what the minister of defense of ukraine rustem omer says, he spoke today at ramstein 17, he says that the only language that russians or moscow understand is force, and we have learned this language well, during this ramstein was talked about a lot. about anti-aircraft missiles that should arrive in ukraine, because the winter of 800 is ahead, the russians have accumulated missiles, according to ukrainian intelligence, they can fire at the objects of the civilian infrastructure of ukraine, including electrical substations, as you can see, a change in the situation, a cardinal situation, because it is clear that this parity,

which is on the eastern and southern fronts, and this positional struggle , which valery zaluzhnyi wrote about in zeeconomist, shows that ukraine lacks some components to prevail over the russians, or to cause them great pain in order for them to left, from the ukrainian state, what do you think the west should do, what is missing, if we break it down by components, which force is not enough for ukraine to prevail over the russians, i would start with what, before getting to the west, ukrainian politicians, the ukrainian government should drastically reduce talk of victory, and at the same time, leave it, give peace to the military command and stop

these conversations, which either come from some parliamentarians, such as there without... google, or from representatives of the president's office, when the deputy the head of the president's office allows to criticize the highest military command, i.e. the ukrainian commander-in-chief, this is a very important element , i would say to harmonize the situation, yes, this is the first important point of principle, it is not an emotion, it is simply a very important point, to stop unnecessary you and interference in the work of the military command . the second point is the western world. well, europe is keeping the situation very serious so far, and we see from the results, the ramsteins and from the steps, we see germany, first of all, the netherlands in

the second place, yes, in great britain, well less, but still including france , france gives very little aid in comparison, less than the small netherlands , but it is the european countries that have increased aid very dramatically, this is very important, and it will not be able to fully compensate if there are losses, say , from american aid, but this is a very big support, and in principle, it can give the americans some strength, so to speak. further, the change in the quality of assistance is a transition to completely different technological weapons, i want to say that so far we are technologists of high-tech weapons almost

did not receive we first received old or modernized soviet weapons, then old or modernized western weapons, and if we talk about the latest systems, then it is probably only high-precision artillery highmars and high-precision ammunition, we need, look, now the united states began to dramatically arm, for example, japan, south korea last week, dazhdep approved the purchase by japan of four tamahawk missiles, yes, then 30. this is south korea. 38 over-the-horizon missiles, anti-aircraft missiles, standard, missiles with a range of 240 km at an altitude of 33 km, we now really need such weapons, which are similar in their technological