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happy birthday. greetings, this is svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazur. we will discuss the most important topics of the day in the next hour. who and how is profiting from reconstruction, immediately two current people's deputies received suspicions from nabu. they are accused of trying to bribe the leadership of the reconstruction state. one of the deputies is waiting for the selection of a preventive measure, the other is already in sizo. details coming soon. well, the high anti-corruption court suspended the former head of the state service for special communications and information protection, brigadier general yuri shchegol, for two months. he is suspected of embezzling state funds in the amount of over uah 62 million. deputies from the servant of the people came to the court to bail the goldfinch, but it did not save him. what possible devices could to have a place in the state intelligence service. about it today

in svoboda live. like this broadcast. let's start. according to the decision of the head of the servant of the people faction, mp andriy odarchenko's membership in the faction was suspended for the duration of the nabu investigation. this was reported by the press service of the political force in a comment to radio liberty today. they said that the final decision regarding odarchenko will be made based on the results of the investigation and assured that no one will block anyone. the day before, the higher anti-corruption court arrested a deputy from servants of the people andrii odarchenko for two months, he is suspected of bribing the head of the state agency for reconstruction and development of infrastructure, mustafa nayem, who probably turned odarchenko into a detective. according to the investigation, odarchenko offered the hire a bribe in cryptocurrency bitcoin equivalent to $50,000, in exchange the people's deput asked for assistance in obtaining funds from the fund for liquidation

of the consequences of russia's armed aggression for repairs. university, whose rector was odarchenko, but when he became a charter member in 2019, the validity of this contract was suspended, and the employees of this university actually came to the court and declared their readiness to take the deputy on bail. as reported in nabu, after the allocation of funds from the fund to the whistleblower's crypto-bank, the first tranche of bitcoins equivalent to $10,000 arrived. and, by the way, this is the first in the history of anti-corruption bodies illegal profit in cryptocurrency, which was managed to be documented at all. odarchenko himself rejects all the accusations. according to him , mustafa naim was simply asking him to teach him how to use a crypto wallet, and he decided to help. at the beginning of the meeting the prosecution read an excerpt of odarchenko's phone conversation with the employee, in which the deputy offers to agree on the level of the kickback and that it is better to transfer it through a script, saying that it is very dangerous in cash, and later

the recordings of these conversations were made public in court, it follows from them, that odarchenko aimed to involve his colleagues, other deputies from the servant of the people. yes, mustafa asked me to teach him how to use these crypts, well, well, i don't know how to use it myself, and i only recently had i bought this crypto wallet, which they showed me, that is, you have it, it is empty , let's know how you started communicating, i came, i turned to my former colleague oleksandr, wrote that i would come to see him, he invited me, i showed him the album of the destroyed university, i was hired, i met him for the first time, and they saw it and wanted to help right away, well, i have the impression that it is some kind of slicing, slicing, words of words,

slicing of expressions, that's why i support the lawyers , which are there, which offer to hear these recordings, to hear we are hiring, teaching, already on march 14 they started teaching. and it's even better, this is how they do it everywhere, here 17 16 there, well, depending on what kind of works you understand , well, there, there, you have the costs already registered somehow, you'll cost it, but it must be built somehow. no, i am saying that we will make money for the company, i was talking exclusively about the reprimand, the allocation of money, and no, it is not only the recovery agency, then it is the cabinet of ministers, the budget committee, which have already

made a decision, exclusively to the state biotechnical university, that is, the state a course at a state university, that will be included, this needs to be decided at the customs office, you understand, this is what i have at the customs office, that is, it is not... normal, and what anti-corruption committee are you in? now, on the contrary, i was searched, i gave the keys to my apartments myself, here in kyiv, i didn’t even go to a lawyer, i went to the hall of the verkhovna rada to vote on the anti-corruption law, i went to the hall, and they gave me the keys, i wouldn’t even want to present, i didn't even know that there were searches in kharkiv, you're welcome they didn’t find it, i had a crypto key, a crypto wallet in my car, one right there, it was removed, all the codes were removed, you can immediately open it yourself and look, they removed

the phone, where is the program that i installed on tuesday, well, maybe somewhere a month ago, where it is empty, no transaction, the conversation is about something completely different, completely different, if it will be ready in the future. maybe an examination is needed here, and in fact, two days have passed since the suspicion of odarchenko was announced, but he is still in the servant of the people party, before that, as i already noted, the faction informed that he was temporarily suspended from the faction, well, the day before, when this trial was actually going on, we managed to get a short comment from olena shulyak, this is the head of the party... a servant of the people, and from now on i suggest listening without comments, well that's it it is very unpleasant, but we will see how events will develop in the future, and we have already created a governing body in the party, a disciplinary commission

consisting of five people, it will make appropriate recommendations, conclusions, and if necessary to clean quartz from people who violate the law, we will do it, then our airwaves. oleksandr kachura, people's deputy, servant of the people, joined. good evening, alexander. good health. this is a common question. tell us what reputation andriy odarchenko had in the party and in faction of the servant of the people, could you have thought that he was prone to bribing, even with bitcoins , top officials? you know, this is a deputy from kharkiv oblast, so it is divided into regions, i represent sumy oblast in the verkhovna rada, but i will not say that no, no communicated, i don’t know, he communicated like that, i know him in the hall, he was not public, did not speak, supported all bills, never got into any scandals, so

for me it was shocking information, i will tell you so, as for many colleagues, and for many it was also shocking, that is, they did not expect it, well, those with whom i communicated , for them it was unexpected and shocking, especially since this is not one case, but several cases during one day of the gap, that is this was information in the morning, that is, we were actually at a meeting of the faction, here is this information, she appeared in the meeting, then she began to be discussed, but from those fragments of conversations that were published in the courtroom, odarchenko allegedly intended to involve in his affairs, we do not know which, to what extent and to what extent, but his colleagues , well, at least he mentioned the name of yulia hryshina, deputy from the servant of the people, he once spoke there about davyd arahamiya, the head of the servant of the people faction, please tell me what is being said about this in the party itself and in the faction, can this happen, that odarchenko still has someone behind him pull?

or what do you think about it in general, well, what do i think about it, well, first of all, you know that i was engaged in legal work before being elected a people's deputy, and that's why i communicated a lot with european colleagues, studied there and, in particular, completed an internship , i also communicated with the united states of america, i really liked it there, i will say now that i am not without respect to anyone, i do not defend anyone, there is a principle of presumption of innocence. that is, we cannot say to anyone that he is guilty until there is a court verdict, and the same can be said about the principle that everyone is individually responsible for what they do, so if we talk about what will happen, well , it's up to the investigation to tell us who will be held accountable if they can find it, but come on, you they asked me what i thought, the reason, i think that

it was our convocation, by the way, i was looking at the photos today, it was denys , monastyrskyi, and galina yanchenko who initiated the bill on the abolition of parliamentary immunity, and it was because of this that it became possible, precisely because of the fact that we strengthened the anti-corruption bodies, not because the convocation that was there was better or worse, precisely because these tools are now there and now the rules of the game are changing completely, because if you .. bribe or take a bribe, you will be responsible for it, and everyone should know now the political and economic elites that are in our country, that the rules of the game are changing, and in conclusion, i will also say that it should not be, you know, this is like sport fishing, because i respect all managers, i belong to the anti-corruption bodies and to the previous head of the nabu, but somehow it happened that during the years when the nabu was created, well, you know, then i see those people somewhere... they walk somewhere in some countries,

those who were caught, they were everywhere, then they said that they were criminals, in droves, then they said that they would all be brought to justice, and then they still teach us how to love the motherland and how to live, that's what we're talking about, that's why i hope, i confident, convinced that he is a crooked nose as the new national leader of the anti-corruption bureau, he is a lawyer, he will change it and they will bring these cases to the end and will give the society an answer to these questions, i understand you, you are now talking purely about legal responsibility, but in this case, apparently, a certain political responsibility, until now, odarchenko is a member of the servant of the people faction, odarchenko is still a member of the servant of the people faction, well, the faction said that he was allegedly temporarily suspended there, but this does not mean anything, he is still a member of the servant of the people party, why not him excluded from party?

well, this is an internal matter, but i want to tell you that according to my information , i spoke with party lawyers, today there was a relevant meeting of the members of the disciplinary commission, by the way, olena shulyak initiated the creation of such a body, we made changes to the statute, now this there is a body, and according to my information, they recommended that mr. odarchenko be stripped of his membership in the political party, and regarding the faction, when there is a faction meeting, we have the authority: the head of the faction, then he can or one of the members to initiate this issue, well, i have from the leadership team, we have deputies, leaders, we have a position corresponding to the pro-detat faction , with which i am identified, they can initiate it, and we have, well, we do not say now, yes for some reason, when we have a session of parliament, but we will have a session of parliament in the near future, and after a while there will be another session of parliament, we can get together, discuss it in any case, we should come out, i am convinced with some public a position with some

decisions, isn't olena shulyak able to do it on her own? just to take and exclude, to exclude odarchenko from the party, to take such a bright political step, well, now there are internal questions , why... can't do it, that is, well, these are purely legal issues, now the disciplinary commission has made this decision, and after that it will all this is already legally formalized. when can this be done? well, i don't know about it, i didn't get an answer to this question, because there is a certain legal one, it's not something that's there, let's do it right away without some kind of double interpretation, which is how we have it according to the statute, in our there is a periodicity of the election of party governing bodies, they are given the powers that you mentioned, and now there is a legal conflict in this matter, that is, but the disciplinary commission is, as far as i know, again, that is, it needs information, the party itself must publish publicly , according to my information from party lawyers, they have made a decision, that is, this decision

will only have to be introduced with the tools provided for by the statute, the fact that the deputies of the servant of the people did not come to take bail his colleague andriy odarchen. is he talking about the fact that there really is a unanimous decision in the ranks of the faction, in the ranks of the party, no one wants to defend and cover it, or can it be in any way, in general, what are the moods on this issue? according to the criminal procedure code, now it’s completely strange, i see when someone goes to the street and takes someone, well, it’s a strange story, that is, it’s not about anything at all, it’s a kind of idea we have since soviet times, the fact that when the collective takes a tunisian, a drunkard, there is some shevchenko, yes there, well, let’s go to shevchenko, i don’t like shevchenko, it’s khorosryhorovych , yes, sidorova, there is some good ivanov, that is, russians, they like to drink more than ukrainians, so, well, that ’s all gone since then, well, now there is a preventive measure and there is a bail, i.e. for what kind

of bail, the representatives of the opposition perceive it more as a political step, that is, if we have a prescribed procedure. and it is prescribed, that is , the parties and the defense and the prosecution must already move on it, that is, they are moving on it, he was accepted as a preventive measure measure with possible bail, i.e. whether he will make it or not, i don’t know, i don’t know the materials of the case, only as you do, and it’s right, by the way, that should be so, we can only talk, only after when the representatives of the anti-corruption bodies come out with an official position, they will already give a full breakdown, so far we can only give an assessment of something superficial, purely from a political point of view, and you correctly noted this very professionally as a journalist from a political point of view, and we are not we can't talk about anything legally, because we have a lot of pseudo-experts who already say, that's it, i know what will happen, here are such procedural violations, here he said it, so much responsibility, well, it's very

incompetent from the point of view of those who is commenting on this, thank you very much, oleksandr kachura, people's deputy, servant of the people, who said that from his point of view, in the near future , odarchenko will be excluded from the servant of the people. thank you very much. well, let me remind you that in fact andrii odarchenko has been in the focus of radio liberty journalists for a long time. before the naboo detectives flagged him as a suspect. in 2019, after the parliamentary elections, my colleagues, journalists of the schema program, published a story about who is behind zelenskyi's team in kharkiv. and odarchenko, let me remind you, won the election. precisely in kharkiv in district number 170. journalists found out that vadym slyuseriv was the shadow curator of the staff of the servant of the people in kharkiv. in the past , artem apshonko, a border guard and assistant to the people's deputy from the party of regions, whose father became the prosecutor general during the years of president viktor yanukovych. later in 2021, vadym slyuserev was even an elected

member of the political party of the servant of the people party. later, although he was expelled from the political party, he did not lose his influence, although, according to the ukrainian truth, he left for russia before the large-scale invasion. so the schemes found out that a number of deputies of the majority from the servant of the people in kharkiv and kharkiv region, including andriy odarchenko, were connected with vadym slyusarev, in particular through business ties, joint business, joint companies, etc. further. darchenko himself confirmed this in a comment in 2019 radio svoboda. literally archival footage. take a look. and why are you running away from us, you can stop vopros zadayote, i don't want to. do you think that the questions about vadym slyuserev are provocative for you? yes, if you are friends, why are these provocations? so i told you, i am a friend, i communicate with vadym slyutsov, what else is needed, why ask the rest of the questions? well, one more bright detail from the biography of andriy odarchenko, as

the journalists of the scheme program found out, in 2018, before he ended up in the servant of the people team, he deposited almost uah 2,000 into accounts now of the banned nashi party, whose leader was yevgeny muraev, who is now suspected of treason, but returning to the odarchenko case, in which, in which he is being accused today... well, on november 21, he was not the only suspect. nabu and sap reported the suspicion to another people's deputy, serhiy labazyuk, a member of the zamaytne group, and his accomplice, the head of a private company. labazyuk's last name is not officially known, but his colleagues in the parliament confirmed to radio svoboda that it is him. so, according to the investigation, people's deputy and his accomplice tried to bribe the deputy prime minister for the reconstruction of ukraine, the minister of community development, infrastructure territories oleksandr kubrakov, and also the head of the same. of the state agency for reconstruction and development of the infrastructure of mustafa nayem. according to nabu, in august 23rd of the year, the deputy appealed to the top officials of the ministry of foreign affairs with

a request to give his company contracts for the reconstruction of infrastructural facilities worth uah 1 billion. for this, he promised, so to speak, a reward in the amount of 3-5% of the value of each contract. investigators claim that after receiving 50 million dollars for the contract for the restoration of a destroyed bridge in one of the regions of ukraine, the people's deputy, due to trust in the person, gave the top official of the state agency for restoration the promised interest in the amount of 150,000 dollars and the transfer of money took place in the parking lot of one of the capital's supermarkets, and as you can see, these are photos of naboo, the money was in a chinese casket - the bureau was informed, and so far the court has not chosen a preventive measure for labasiuk, labasiuk, according to preliminary data, that radio svoboda has at its disposal, the trial will be held tomorrow and we will certainly follow it, but the suspicion for labazyuk and the suspicion for odarchenko have one thing in common, and both of them, according to the investigation, tried to make extra money on the reconstruction, and this is already quite

large topic, there is a topic for discussion, yuriy nikolov, journalist and founder of the project our money, joins our broadcast, yuriy, good evening, good evening, tell me if you were surprised by these two suspicions on the same day for two deputies, and also related to they are reconstructions, but not so much it was strange, the only strange thing is that there were not two and not four, as previously there were rumors , so you know, they were flying on the sidelines, that is, we expected a little more deputies that day, but maybe they will be later now, and this will also be related with reconstruction, why exactly these surnames, well, i was not surprised, first of all, odarchenko, he himself, well, you know, i did not know him so much from the point of view of corruption, if, he was not on those radars, he was from the point of view of such, you know , pro-russian treason appeared in our country more often, and labaziuk, that's it

of the times of large-scale construction, this is a fairly well-known figure, in our money, his company was called khmelnytska 56, then it was called, and now it is urd , it was included, you know, so firmly in the top 10 large builders, that is , they had a lot of money on road contracts, but you know, under during the war, when our big construction was completed, this, the road, it would have deflated like that, and that's why it's understandable. that she was looking for an opportunity to earn money somewhere, so let's put it this way, it's not surprising, it 's understandable, because mr. labaziuk, you know, for me personally, there was always someone who who is looking for all kinds of opportunities to cooperate with the authorities, he was even called a person who does not get out of there, from one of the offices in the president's office, well, he tried to be there so often, that's why, let's put it this way, well, it's good that nabu, sap, and the ministry infrastructure sent such a signal, well, in different summers, that

guys run for kickbacks. labaziuk, let me just remind you that this is a group for the future, and udarchenko is a servant of the people. and you say that labaziuk does not leave some office in the bank, and what do you mean? well, he is had a good constructive relationship with the president's office, and i can absolutely safely assume that those relationships helped him before the invasion, but during the big construction, his company was among the favorites of the big construction. ugh, yuriy, you really research a lot of all the schemes, the envelopes of the reconstruction, if i ask you so literally and rudely, how many people in ukraine are currently working on the reconstruction according to your subjective, perhaps assumptions or observations, which in general there are working schemes. enlighten us well, in these published records, odarchenko said something about 15-20%, as

i understand it, this is a kickback or not a kickback or a thank you, well , udarchenko knows that before... that's enough, it 's not even a scheme, it's not related in principle to reconstruction , this is not corruption in the construction industry, he simply wanted the state to rebuild his building at his university with public funds, of which he was the head, and where such fine people as oleksandr panomarov from the opzh sat on the supervisory board, to whom already suspected of treason, bohdan torokhtii, this is another people's deputy of his people who was expelled from the faction for that. what is he going to buy? well, his wife bought real estate for herself in bulgaria for half a million dollars during the revocation, well, you know, the reputation of odarchenko’s entourage there is so, well, very square, and he just wanted his state to rebuild it with state funds , and , of course, he is somewhat conventionally speaking, if he needs to rebuild the building for 100 million, yes,

then why not donate some money there, yes? saying cryptovlyut on mustafun, that's why let's put it this way, how often do we, as we call it in the editorial office, rub on the estimates , well, often, a lot, and there is even a certain regional specificity, but we already understand for ourselves that there are several regions that we have cause more suspicion, it is kharkiv region, dnipropetrovsk region. in a certain way, odesa, sometimes kyiv, that is, there are regions where, relatively speaking, you know, spit in the first , best tender in prozoro and you will grow green, like there is a lot of chernozem, but this is not a universal picture, and according to mine it is so you know, estimated, unfortunately, i have such statistics

i can't give, but conditionally speaking , in order to find one corrupt building estimate, i need to check about six or seven tenders, so i can gather the statistics for myself. uhu, yuriy , please tell me what fuses there are now, well, besides nabu and sap, so that the relationship does not turn into such a gold mine for potential corruptors, are there any fuses at all? yes, there are fuses, first of all, we are currently preparing and asking the people to help with the adoption of a bill on which these estimated construction documents will be must be published in the prozoro system, so that every ukrainian could check the price for 1 kg of concrete for one brick, so that more eyes could watch all this misery, and as in the situation with the ministry of defense, when we forced the authorities to publish the prices of eggs,

this led to a threefold reduction in food for the money for reconstruction, which will help, relatively speaking, to keep in fear of god these corrupt people who are used to scribbling on estimates, and far from trifles, every day we publish information about tens of hundreds millions, this is very important, yuriy, it seems to me that after all, the fear of prison, whether there is fear of nabu, it is it, it is more effective than the fear of god. well, these are subjective, maybe observations. thank you very much, yuriy nikolov, journalist and founder of the our money project, we talked about what is happening in our country with recovery. thank you, and another similar topic, but a different one, today the higher anti-corruption court arrested the former head of the state service for special communication and information protection

, yury shchygol, for two months. shygol can also make a deposit 25 million, in which case he will be obliged to wear an electronic bracelet, not to communicate with suspects and witnesses, and also to hand over passports for traveling abroad. on november 20, nabu and sab announced that they had uncovered a criminal scheme in which the management of the state special communications service allegedly participated. in particular, according to the investigators, yuriy shigol and his deputy could illegally seize state funds in the amount of more than uah 62 million. on the same day, the cabinet of ministers announced that the government had dismissed them from their positions. the head of the state special forces, yury shchygol, his deputy for digital development victor zhorra. rfe/rl today asked the state intelligence agency for a comment , they replied, they said they would be able to provide comments, i quote only from monday. it is interesting that two deputies from the servant of the people who wanted to take him as bail came to the meeting where a preventive measure was chosen, oleksandr fedienko and