thank you for joining our conversation, vasyl furman, doctor of economic sciences, was with us at this hour, thank you. friends, we still know that we have to talk about what would be useful, yes, for our dear viewers, perhaps among them there are investors who are also ready to invest in ukrainian business, about the fact that the investment sectors will change after our victory, here in why is it, we 're looking at the situation quite linearly right now, yes. due to the draft of war, but still linear, we can now, as of today to understand which industry is the driver, which industry is more modern, which industry is more promising, and i would already suggest looking in the context of the decision, according to the european commission, that ukraine has fulfilled about 90% of the conditions to receive an invitation to the membership of the official european union, in december we are waiting officially: such a decision from

the european council, then i would still need to work out a separate, i emphasize a separate state policy, where the branches of the european economy would be synchronized with the ukrainian one, and if the europeans would a certain prioritization, what they are ready to invest in ukraine, after the victory, you are simply ahead of our questions, mr. oleksiy, and what after the victory, if we are talking about business, about industries for investment, what can be interesting about ukraine, yes, well, besides the traditional agrarian sphere, many things, and in principle, this is a lot of duplication with what i have already said, and because my analysis, including on this on this, is based on this, our already strong points will be strengthened, the aviation industry is deeply convinced that it has every chance to recover, well, of course, after the victory, because it is very technological and not production

, but in ukraine there are all chances, given our intellectuals , that we will be competitive not just competitive, but the advantage on our side is due to the fact that we will have a single market with the european union, that's the key issue, it's both a plus and a minus, friends, yes, that's right, if there is a single market, then competition, let's say we have some heavy industry there, let's say, yes, a certain metallurgy, it can be simple uncompetitive, and it will fall into even deeper subsidies than it was before, but these are state priorities of state policy , germany also now continues to develop metallurgy, to its own detriment, but it ensures its national stability and national security, so there will be no simple solutions, something will need to be integrated with the european union so that it has a big return, big accordingly. and profitability, and some industries

will need to be developed, even possibly in the red, but they would be strategic for the state and ensure our national security, well, but looking ahead, there will be significantly, significantly more industries that can be invested in, interestingly and profitably, than now, let's talk with ilya neskhodovskyi, the economist, about what, in fact, we will lure, mr. ilya, thank you. that you returned to us, ah actually, what can ukraine attract, we understand, wartime, ah , it is clear that the issue of safety, security, if you invest, for example, in an enterprise in ukraine, you are a foreign investor, it costs money, but what can we currently argue gentlemen, investors, come, invest in ukraine, now and after the victory, therefore, i would like to change a little... the context of the conversation,

why, because we are talking about those industries that will be promising, and in which, what are we doing next , if we determined, for example , the prospects of the agrarian industry, that is, we somehow create conditions for them, yes, if they really will develop themselves, then why should we create conditions for them? i would rather, i would make a different emphasis: for example, our cabinet of ministers would rather emphasize on in order to attract foreign... companies, so that they cooperate , carry out cooperation with ukrainian manufacturers, and then they will accordingly bring, first of all , their technologies, funds, business processes, they will actually provide the necessary market and so on, for example, if we are going to talk about agriculture, then in this case , what is poorly developed in our country and did not pay enough attention to it before, this is the issue of, for example, the development of mechanical engineering, the production of... tractors, the production

of appropriate equipment, the production of combine harvesters , and here it would be good if ukraine implemented the necessary programs that would finance part of the costs that you bear for these products, so that we also cooperate, for example, with some foreign manufacturers, so that they come to ukraine and create joint enterprises, for example, antonov, it would be good if he cooperated together with the european airbus , that is, it would give an opportunity and inflow of investments, it would give an opportunity and the arrival of appropriate technologies, it would give an opportunity to give mail, that is, the more we cooperate, we will not need to be developed, no country that joined europe has fully developed all the industries that exist, it has integrated into the production chains of the european union's added value, and thus, when it found its niche, developed that niche,

despite the fact that that they could not withstand competition in other industries, but at the expense of this locomotive, accordingly, they occupied their niche, for example, if we talk about rural economy, then agriculture - it is still with a low added value, we need to process everything and grain, it is necessary to process other goods accordingly, to make finished products and already send them to the west, what is needed for this, of course, investments are needed for this, you can excuse me, sir, i want to process, but as you predict, maybe in the post-war period, let's say, in the war period reconstruction of ukraine, it will turn out that some industries, they only cost us so , well, that is to say, so subsidized, and perhaps do not have such great importance for national security, that they may simply cease to exist, of course, i am by the way i insist on this, that some branches in the creation

of added value will simply be uncompetitive, they will be local, but there will be suitable locomotives, this happened in every european country, i really want to hear. well, for example, this is slovakia, which began to produce cars to a large extent, i mean which industries, sorry, well, this is just very interesting to our viewers, which industries can disappear in ukraine, let's say , what, what will become economic appendix, which should be cut out, because it will be so more profitable for the whole country and healthier, it is difficult to say, competition will show everything , that is, in other words, for example, to some extent, agriculture survived in some countries of eastern europe only because there were significant subsidies, for example, we are now talking about the competitiveness of our agriculture , but at the moment we do not comply with the european requirements for fertilizers, we do not comply with those requirements

related to land cultivation, we do not fully comply with the other environmental requirements that are there, if they are all introduced in ukraine, it may turn out that our agriculture is not as competitive as it is now, and maybe even so, this means that state support will be needed, possibly support from the european union, an approach that should be applied to ukraine under at the time of entry, it should correspond to the approach implemented with other countries, but still i would like to develop, let's say what to focus on, it is high-tech production with high added value, we have the corresponding development, for example, if: the military industry has already been mentioned, in order for the military industry to develop, why is rain metal moving the plant to ukraine, because it is profitable, there is a demand here, instead of bringing it to europe, repairing its equipment there, then bringing it back, they create here

repair bases, so that everything happens with less logistical connection, so in this context it is of course a huge plus, and i would like to emphasize how we should develop not industries, but this, for example, government procurement with an emphasis on ukrainian domestic producer, this unequivocally, because today i do not understand why we buy relatively speaking turkish or chinese products, if there is ukrainian production of higher quality, this means that it is necessary to slightly change the appropriate approach to determining the winner, the government has already taken certain steps, for example, determined the need for a local component, which should be in every product, we must adhere to this, and this will give impetus to the development of ukrainian production, then, in general, orders that can be made now, we will see on ours, the aggressor who is attacking, he invests billions of dollars in the military industry, and this gives him the ability, gives them the opportunity to develop well, we

should also focus on investing more, which is how the ministry of digital transformation is working very well now, when they emphasized their work on production: drones and we have a result, but i have a question, why is the ministry of digital transformation engaged in this, not the ministry of defense, not engaged in the ministry of economy, that is, they should also to get involved in this... work, to focus on this and not only on drones, but also on other types of weapons, which are currently being purchased with state funds. in this case, it would give impetus to the development of these industries, and accordingly they would have a resource , it would be much better and already integration into the european union would be more natural, those enterprises that have competitive conditions that can compete well on the european market, that they will prepare for this sooner, which products will be better. will find their niche and this niche will be profitable for them, some

who will not be able to adapt in a timely manner, i emphasize once again, in every country in europe, certain industries have in fact disappeared, in short, the task has been heard, accepted, i hope we will start to implement it, i am now turning to ukrainian businessmen, those who prefer and we believe that they will enter in competition and victorious competition with our european colleagues, as soon as they take us. to the european community. ilya neskhodovsky, economist. thank you for your expert opinion. thank you for being with us in this hour. if we are talking about mr. oleksiy about our european integration path and talk about business development prospects in ukraine, certain industries. and if we will be in a single business space with the european union, this will probably have to happen in a certain way, probably on the wages of ukrainians, of course. and i will tell you more than that, the locomotives of those industries , which we have already mentioned with you today, they already provide a competitive one with the same wages , aitishnyk, a beginner, cried somewhere, well, yes,

well, industries close to the digital industry, the construction industry, recycling, there really is very decent wages, but really, the development of the economy is an investment of attractiveness, an investment of priorities during the war and after our victory, this is a slightly different story, so now during the war we take experience from how we are now launching the grain corridor of the equator , when the state insures at its own expense the relevant courts and the possibility, well, when there is any kind of missile attack, let's say on foreign ships, this, this tracing paper, this principle must be applied to priority sectors of the economy, that is, on the one hand to give them development cheap loans at the expense of the banking sector, and on the other hand to insure the corresponding production,

if it may have risks, accordingly damage from the enemy, if we ensure such prioritization and also synchronize it with european funds, then our business will begin to develop even before the end of the war and will already become a very serious pillar of our military industry, which, i repeat , is financed exclusively at the expense. our incomes and fees, we are talking about the future of ukraine, let's talk about the finale today, we understand that entrepreneurial activity is the key to the recovery of the economy and the functioning of the state in wartime conditions, and this is where we need to talk about incentives and incentives for opening new businesses, the state already wants certain state programs for opening one's own business, mr. oleksiy, if it is possible for our viewers, please evaluate how now is a really good time to make your dream come true, if any of our viewers were planning to open their own business, we

understand, war, there are certain risks, but i it seems that yes, yes, as it is now, the state, well, i don't remember, once stimulated entrepreneurs, and not only the state stimulates not only the domestic investor, the state also stimulates the external investor, remember, more than once the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy appealed to foreign investors, saying that come now, now it will be much cheaper for you, that's all. to do, to invest our funds, because after the victory , the competition will be on, after the victory, we already clearly understand that we are on the euro integration way, on the way to nato, and everything will increase in money for the foreign investor, and the ukrainian market of ukraine is very interesting for any investor, why, because we have a lot of natural resources, because we have a lot of population in them, that is, internal even the market, it is quite good financially, in our country. the population is educated, it does not even need to be taught even there,

there are some elementary courses there, if we assume that it is mechanical engineering, they forgot to say work, work, well work, it is so subjective factor, i am now talking about objective things, yes, there are some small monthly two-month courses, and a person already having a technical education can already calmly work in foreign production, plus, don't forget, we have a lot of raw materials, we have powerful ones. processing capabilities, that is, we can really have this cycle of production of any already high -tech product with a huge level of localization. take place precisely in ukraine, this is the truth in fact any investor, why should he scatter 10 productions in 10 countries of the european union and lose on logistics, if all this can be done 80 percent in ukraine, so in fact we have a lot of prospects, the main thing is to approach them carefully, balanced and with prioritization.

mr. oleksiy, it is clear that certain regions will receive huge doping in the form of investments, which, of course, will come, and some regions, reclamations, the same relocations, we already see vivid examples of this, unprecedented in ukraine, and some re regions, of course, where they are occupied, will especially stagnate, actually, how to save this balance, you are the ambassador of regional development, community development, how to achieve this balance, we literally have. wait a minute, only at the expense of state programs, balancing, there really is an equalization subvention, that is, if you consider that the company relocated from the south or from the east or from the center, aa to western ukraine, and those communities that, before this doping, did not have a tax now they have significantly

increased the budgets three times to 10 times there, so of course it should be an equalization subvention for those regions as well, but to the great regret of this it's not enough, friends, we have such cities, we have such communities, where either the beast simply destroyed the city-forming enterprise, well, in the best case, it was repainted, so in fact, for these regions, so-called such logistical dead ends, well, just imagine, even if we de-occupy tomorrow, the kharkiv region, the luggan region , yes, there on... the russian federation, what kind of logistics can we talk about there, that is , there should be, maybe some new silicon valley, maybe some high-tech productions that do not need such a large one number of logistics, these are very serious challenges, both before the expert environment and before the government, so that these regions do not

stagnate and people do not leave there, but on the contrary, due to high... wages, interesting technological, latest, joint with europe, there the usa projects, they have become magnets, respectively, yes, and traditional, more traditional branches of the economy, they can safely remain in western ukraine, in the center, in the north, in the south, where the market is, the risk of the threat of the russian federation and further aggression , much smaller. thank you, thank you, mr. oleksiy, for helping to sort things out today, we will definitely come back again, i understand that , first of all, everything depends on the situation at the front, and here we would like to thank our defenders for making it possible not only to discuss these are such topics, and really looking into the future, planning something and talking about the prospects for the development of our state. oleksiy buryachenko, candidate of political sciences, head of the international association of small communities, joined us on the air, thank you on the air, to the new ones

meetings, so we will move on, we will talk in particular about how the russian federation not only on the field... in the information space is trying to put pressure on ukrainians and destroy their faith at least in victory and at most even in themselves, let 's talk about this further, alyona romaniuk, fact-checker, editor-in-chief of the nota enot and on the other side of putin's lies projects joins our broadcast, congratulations, ms. alona, ​​i'm glad you're with us. good day. mrs. alyona, we know that you understand professionally, and you know not only the fact of checking on fakes and refutation of all the lies that are poured out in buckets at us, and every day by the russian federation, and at us and at our partners in the west, in fact, you are still professionally engaged in fraudulent schemes, and you can interpret, recognize and advise how to be, how

don't fall for this fraudster's bait, but let's talk about which fraudulent schemes are currently the most popular among fraudsters, which channels of influence they choose, and, if possible , with examples, in fact, at the heart of fraudulent schemes that run both ukrainian and russian fraudsters, the facts are the same, partly true, partly false , there are actually a lot of fraudulent schemes, such phishing schemes, for example, and every ukrainian can receive payments from the un, sef, obssi, the new post office, a private bank, and chetbank and so on, that is, any institution that has a recognizable name, and some certain amount and such messages. launched for advertising very massively on facebook, on instagram, on telegram, and what is the purpose, how are people brought up, in fact, a person goes to

the link, tries to fill in some form, and in this form you need to say the payment card data, cv-code and card validity period, in fact, the person indicates and these data are taken over, and the fraudsters get these data, and the person remains without money. this is the most primitive method, but it is still very effective, fraudsters launch entire advertising campaigns, almost every day we fix them on social networks, we complain, they are blocked, but fraudsters launch new ones, that is, this is a very profitable scheme for them. the second story, which has been circulating for the last two or three weeks to ukrainians en masse in messengers, whatsapp, telegram, signal, viber write with an offer of part-time work, it’s a lot of additional work, as if lying down, supposedly, just like

some videos or some posts, and they will transfer money to you for this, here the story is already more interesting, because it is built on two levels, first a person conditionally puts three likes under three videos, sends the completed task. er, the task is completed, well, that is, to the person who wrote, she is asked for a card, the person sends the number of his card without an expiration date without a cvv code, and to this card they drop 150, 200, 300 hryvnias. then such a story happens a second time, a third time, a person already begins to believe that for what he likes on facebook, or in tiktok or in another social network, you can get money, and then he gets it... the coordinator writes about what, oh, they say, there is such an opportunity now, you are working so well, there is an opportunity to double this amount, but you should have

a conditional amount of uah 5,000, or uah 10,000 in your account, but before, before, ms. alono, there were times simpler, that's just what someone wrote, who introduced himself there as an arab sheikh and i just offered to give you an inheritance, and now you still have to work, put some insults, well, we understand, yes, but this is such a trend, who is it aimed at, who do such people come to? messages to all indiscriminately, or do scammers somehow choose certain social groups? in fact, if we are talking about the first scheme, where there are payments from various international organizations, these are mostly vulnerable groups of the population, right away the law enforcement officers should find out, please forgive me for interrupting, but this is a ready audience, this is this, this is about targeting, it's about social media targeting, when people, when they fill out their social media accounts, they provide certain information, again where they are, where they are, where they live, publish certain posts that are related to a certain topic, and based on that data

you can target, actually direct advertising to a specific target group, here , and then again, one person will share it, the second, the third, that is, there is a kind of chain reaction, and it works, the second story is when these messages with a job offer are sent , a this is such a very massive mailing went out, ah, to both the medical workers and the military, and well, i have the impression that it is absolutely, for me personally , so that just now, as you said, i immediately remembered that i actually received a message about a few days ago, too i am a representative of such and such a company, i want to offer you a job, i did not respond, i blocked , understanding, they did not offer anything, i understand that they first tried to set up this initial contact, understand that the person is ready to communicate and then already about...probing for sure whether a person is influenced, so to speak, obviously, it was building trust, building trust due to the fact that

it is with the help of trust that you can later withdraw significantly more money from a person, when the person is already sincerely believes that this is a good company , there are links to amazon, to linkedin, to some other companies that have recognizable names, and when a person believes that he really cooperates with this company there. she also believes in such a more global scheme, transfers funds to a certain account, and then the criminals disappear, in fact, there is also such a financial pyramid mechanism used there, but actually it is nothing, the fraudsters did not invent anything new, these are old schemes that are now being launched en masse against ukrainians. ms. alon, is it possible to have another nuance, how the war affects this sphere, what exactly ... citizens are doing now, maybe ukrainians have become more sensitive to some topics and it is easier to hook them, or maybe on the contrary they have become more picky about information, in particular those

received through messengers. but it would be great it would be cool if there was such a study to see how much ukrainians are or are not involved in such things, and i remember that last year somewhere in june or july, the prosecutor general's office made a material, published that on the basis of fraudulent schemes, fraudsters seized more than 100 million uah from ukrainian citizens, just imagine these sums, in fact, almost all of our fraud is carried out on phishing attacks, the only question is how to enter from the yaks, which hooks are emotional, to put pressure on, in fact the main topic, which is being manipulated, and it is money, because many people are left without work , many are in a difficult situation, without housing, and thus money is such a very trigger story,

so the most... it is also pensioners, it is immigrants, it is mothers with children, and they follow such and such primitive schemes, man, you can be super short, because unfortunately we have little time, super short, short, how not to fall for this scammer’s bait, what to check, what to pay attention to, 30 seconds, first , free cheese only in the mousetrap, it doesn't happen, without free you don't they give some large sums, so remember everything, remember that there are fraudsters, never indicate the card number, cv code and expiration date for payments, no one from international organizations or companies will ask for this, well, again after all, but to check whether it is such a company, whether it has open vacancies, and whether there are really such payments on official websites, i.e. all this information about payments is always on official websites, of the ministry of social policy

, plus companies that supposedly thank you ms. alyuna for these tips, in particular, alyona romaniuk, fact-checker, editor-in-chief of projects nota yenota, on the other side of putin's lies, we are extremely grateful to you, and on this side of your screens, kateryna derkach, oleksiy homan, have been for the last hour, thank you for your trust, see you soon. chevrons approaching victory. they wanted us to live in a corrupt state, a satellite of russia, but we chose our path, defended our choice and moved on. and now for 10 years we have been relentlessly going, going and strengthening democracy, going and developing the economy. we are reforming courts

and law enforcement agencies, creating them from scratch special anti-corruption bodies, get rid of russian and oligarchic influence, digitalize all public services , take care of our people, create powerful armed forces according to nato standards, develop civil society, fight the aggressor and finally move from candidacy to eu membership. we are going and there is no stopping us, because we know why. 10 years of struggle, 10 years of development, 10 years of dignity and freedom. ukrainian gives freedom. the occupiers are pulling their tails, having heard about the ukrainian riots and cotton and we haven't mentioned 30-letter words yet. ukrainian, the language of the free. hrobchik, how are you, i feel you.

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