[000:00:00;00] well, of course this is a rhetorical question, mr. oleksiy, let's put an end to it, thank you for the inclusion, oleksiy goncharenko, people 's deputy of ukraine was on our broadcast, we continue our broadcast, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms , for those who are currently watching us on youtube and facebook, please like this video so that it can be trended on youtube and facebook, and also vote in our poll, today we ask you if you have prepared for blackouts of electricity, which are predicted in winter, and about which ukrenerga has already announced, about the possibility of a power cut, if you are prepared, then vote by phone 0800-211-381, no, 0800-21-382, all calls to these numbers are free for you, dear tv viewers, can also vote

on youtube. next, we are in touch with people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine, valentyn nalyvaichenko. mr. valentin, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to heroes. the president of the czech republic, peter pavel , stated that russia remains the main security threat to ukraine and a high-intensity conflict between the two countries is quite likely, he stated this during a meeting with colleagues from above. four, let's listen to what the czech president said. we will come back a little later, but i will quote what he said: according to modern calculations, russia will need at least 5-7 years to restore its combat capability. on the other hand, there are many in these calculations conditions that can change the situation. much will depend on what the outcome

of the war will be, how ukraine and russia will emerge from it. the most important thing is the security of the agreement after its conclusion - said peter pavel. well, everyone hopes for ukraine and that, depending on what will happen on the battlefield , how the agreement will be, whether or not it will be from russia, and why, in your opinion, mr. valentin, if they count on ukraine, why does ukraine still not get everything it asks for and what can allow ukraine to dominate the front, the russian-ukrainian front. i confirm that everything really depends on the armed forces of ukraine, on our defenders, including the future of nato, including the future of the european union, and this is what i, as a member of parliament, and other parliaments use in negotiations with our international partners, and daily , there is not a day when we do not work with international partners, for the sake of the main thing, we

want to maintain and increase assistance with training and training for our armed forces of ukraine. first and foremost: in december, that is, from next month already in the european union , at the level of the eu leaders, the defense aid plan for ukraine for the next year will be agreed , because if you want to receive aid tomorrow, you have to decide it today, that is why we are deciding it today, this non-defense aid will include training for our defenders , the military, this assistance will include additional armaments and weapons as such, including ammunition and projectiles, and the third, this will include cyber security and other defense and security assistance from the member states of the european union, and for all this, yes, we we expect that the european union will allocate more than 20 billion dollars, i am talking about the next year and about the defense needs of the armed forces of ukraine. now regarding modern weapons, well

, let's take a professional look at all this. in order to obtain modern weapons, it is necessary to teach them to our defenders so that they know how to use them, master them and, moreover , use them on the battlefield. that is, in essence, our general staff, our commanders and our command arm, train and wage war on the move. well, i claim that it is unique experience, and no other army in the world solved so many issues at the same time. that is why it is decided. not so fast and not so soon, with regard to more modern weapons systems, well, let's use a specific example, the same hymers, remember, a year ago we, you know, we all discussed and only hoped whether we would receive or not, this year we will not just receive , it’s not just that they are in the armed forces, our professional and glorious soldiers impress the enemy, the latest, especially impressive examples are when they gather for awards in

skadovsk and somewhere else in the south, and right there they are covered together with the command, they are all accurate and, you know, such professional shots of our military, and on modern systems of such serious volley fire, there will be an additional bonus... highmars, if we talk about planes, i will say very briefly, f-16s are just now mastering our pilots, but it's not just that you got on the plane and you know that it's called a viper, that's what it's called a viper, but there 's computer equipment, english language, technical specifications, for which you need to have a military education received in the member countries nato, that is, our pilots simultaneously receive an education, improve their language, and most importantly , master combat skills. f-16 and i am convinced that in the coming months f16 with our pilots will be in the sky of ukraine to protect us from terrorist missile attacks of russia. we hear, mr. valentin, what

the president of the czech republic, peter pavel, is saying, but there is also an assessment of the head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, oleksandr litvinenko, who wrote a rather lengthy text on the website of interfax of ukraine, that he what he says he talks about that the president of russia intends to restore the empire somewhere in the space of 10-15 years, because there will be a redistribution of spheres of influence in the world, and in this context he can restore the russian empire or, well, the empire he dreams of there. the russian federation must restore its military capabilities in 2028, that is, they will be able to return to their capabilities that they had as of the beginning of 2000 22, that is, the beginning of the great war in 28, putin will do, the alternative of the west in the form of the south plus, global south plus,

that is, to create a large structure, including an economic one, which he will help , and this will prevail over western countries, and the russian federation is preparing for new aggressions, lytvynenko says that we are talking about... russia's preparation of an attack on moldova or the baltic states , and of course, of course about ukraine, that it will be destabilization inside the country and a war of attrition, how do you evaluate these forecasts and to what extent they can be implemented by putin, this is the first and second thing that can stand in the way of these far-reaching forecasts and plans for redistribution of the world, because it is clear that putin is not the main one in the redistribution of the world, it could be xi jinping or joe biden, but putin has long since moved to some third or fourth step in encroachments on

the redistribution of the world, well, to the third, to the fourth, he generally left the circle of those people, i mean putin, who make any decisions in the world, well, this is the objective truth, and whoever doubts, look at the meeting, at its result. chinese leader xi and us president joe biden, well, they clearly said, everything is ahead in our eyes, leader to leader, we will decide everything among ourselves, we do not need putin or all the others who thought that they would somehow influence the world order, the world economy and so on, but returning to the essence of your question, i i will say a professional thing first, that any intelligence information or intelligence reform must be submitted to the national security and defense council, even... there was once such a body and i think there is an intelligence committee body, where several intelligence agencies, all special services provide information, it is analyzed , is checked only after

of this, is reported to the president or given to the press, so i’m kind of careful, you know, i respect the ukrainian special services and know how they work, and i warn only one thing, even if they got some plan or document, the main thing is not to pr putin himself and this document, putinsky , the main thing. completely different, we must clearly say that thanks to the combat work of the armed forces of ukraine, russia will never restore its military potential, which was at least in some form before the start of full-scale aggression, this time. second, the international sanctions that have already been imposed and what they are are planned further, and in the eu, and the united states, and canada, to be used against russia, against russia's defense-industrial complex, they will not allow and have not allowed and will not allow, most importantly, new russian developments, russian weapons, etc., to be embodied in life, even though everyone is desperate and basically like that, you know, the stalinist efforts now of the putin regime to transfer

the remnants of the economy and the remnants of the defense-industrial complex to military rails, even, well, returning again to the western special services, which, in my opinion, have such serious information, well, they saw, scared, scared putin with all his rockets, daggers, iskanders, and so on, well , experts have figured it out and see that the same dagger is nothing more than a modified iskander just to be picked up by an airplane and it is not hypersonic and so on and so forth, that is, there are many such, you know, propaganda images of the russian aggressor, the russian regime, which they try to pass off to us as some such serious information, don’t believe it, and i don’t believe it, something else is important, important, that russia is not economically capable, now and will not be able to recover in the future, in case of further sanctions. its defense-industrial complex, i am not saying

that it should be seriously increased. mr. valentin, what about internal destabilization in ukraine, because we heard from the president that a plan is being prepared in the russian federation, under the tentative name of maidan-3, to create conditions for people to go out into the streets in the capital, well, in ukraine in particular. in wartime, it is clear that such and such cannot be done, it is not illegal , and it is obvious that the ukrainians themselves do not will do this, but we have a fairly serious fifth column inside the country, it is also a branch of the russian orthodox church, they can walk there with banners and lead cow parades around the supreme council or somewhere on the streets, and then show that the ukrainian security forces do not allow them to do this, we have, in all authorities, more than 4,000 people

who are elected from opzzzh, a party that is already banned in ukraine, but the deputies are still opozhistists, that is, you as a person who twice led security service of ukraine, what do you say, how likely it is that russia can do this, or activate those sleeping fsb agents who are in ukraine in order to create tension, internal political tension? i really headed the security service of ukraine twice and for almost five years, and during these periods there was not a single successful action inspired by the russian federation in the form of protests, maidans, and so on. do you know why? because the security service of ukraine and other ukrainian special services have enough forces and resources, it is necessary to strictly neutralize enemy agents, collaborators, i would add also top corruptors, tough. to clean the coffers from the government, from the budget, and from the government, and

from the parliament as well. here are three ingredients of success in order to maintain true national unity in a country during wartime. one more thing, in the parliament, here i am, declaring absolutely authoritatively, there are not and will not be any political movements for destabilization during the war, and so on and so forth. i am talking about democratic factions, i represent the motherland faction, to the exact opposite, we left political activity, we do not engage in politics and, on the contrary, engage in everything we can in order to support our defenders, and goes to the front lines, yulia tymoshenko has already been under bombardment and so on more than once, and many others from our team, we have four deputies from our faction serve in territorial defense , that is, at night on combat duty, during the day at work in the parliament, so i declare authoritatively, and it is true, we do not engage in politics, and moreover, we responsibly address everyone else, during martial

law, protests, rallies, political actions are actually prohibited , and it's not for nothing it is forbidden, it is for the purpose of defeating the enemy, resisting this war and preserving after the war all the democracy that we will still use, but it will be when we win and the way we ukrainians decide it, not the russian federation at all, you mention, mr. valentin, about corruptors, yes. corruption and top agents of the fsb, we see how , over the past two months , people's deputies of ukraine have been quite actively and under the article about corruption, we see how two people's deputies have been served with suspicion of treason, this is not shufrych and oleksandr dubinsky, from your experience, here is the information that is now becoming known, whether she could have been in the service without... security earlier, for example, what happened before dubinsky was elected a people's deputy

of ukraine, or, well, what about shufrych's friend , it seems to me that there can be no questions there, because he always worked in russia , in my opinion, he did not even come, but with regard to corrupt officials, with regard to those people who hold high positions in power, because a people's deputy is also enough a high position, because a person decides the fate of the state, decides the fate of millions of people, regarding people's deputies, circles and possible traitors among the deputies, it was the abolition of parliamentary immunity , for which we voted, i voted for, that made it possible to clean up the highest legislative body, and it is good that the ukrainian special services got there and are acting, the only thing i call for is to quickly hold open courts, not to close the courts, but to show the whole world who and for what state traitors ended up on the dock, which verdicts should be public, understandable and in the ukrainian language for

ukrainian citizens, especially, i repeat, regarding top officials of the verkhovna rada, about top corruption, i will say very briefly, i believe that we have now done 100% in the parliament , strengthened nabu, increased the number and powers and effects and ability to work of the anti-corruption bureau, and it is good that there are results, yes just as we separated and strengthened the capacity of the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office. i believe, and i myself voted for all these draft laws, that strengthening the capacity of anti-corruption bodies means strengthening and purifying the power in ukraine as a whole. there is no corruption during the war may be. by the way, just like the post-war period, but nevertheless , we are currently under martial law, so we can and must act as harshly as possible, and the third, i think is correct with the initiative, only the draft law is delayed somewhere, it is not in the parliament yet, but it must be equalized corruption to high treason, and everything should forever be clear to everyone in our

country, well, maybe not even to high treason, but to looting and the determination to do looting and give the highest. on the blood, sergey, agree, this is a shot in the back by the state, v back to whom, to our defenders, this is treason, yes, yes, without a doubt, and another question i wanted to ask you is regarding volodymyr zelenskyi’s statement, opinion in an interview with tabloid, he said that the military, which is going to engage in politics, should not engage in war, i will simply quote him so that it is more clear to our tv viewers, if a military man decides to engage in: politics, that is his right, then he must go into politics, and then he cannot engage in war. if you lead a war, thinking that you will be engaged tomorrow politics or elections, then in words and on the front lines you behave like a politician, and not like a military man, i think that this is a huge policy, but now war is also politics, politics is war, that is, is it at all

appropriate to throw any military , including your political comrades who, on the one hand, are in the national defense and, on the other hand, work in bodies, in self-government, or in the verkhovna rada, that is , is it the right time to say that if you are fighting, then there is no why engage in politics, simply if someone will not be the one holding weapons and fights, if he does not keep them, then there will be no ukrainian politics, let me say it harshly and clearly, there cannot be any... politics during the war, well, there is no politics in this, i would forbid and say it more clearly and to the british press and everyone else that during martial law there are no politicians in ukraine, there are people who can and should defend ukraine with weapons, there are people who can and should work in the rear, everyone else

should not interfere, on the contrary, support the armed forces of ukraine, and i once indicated that four of my colleagues are really in the teroboron at night, two of them are for... deputy commanders, they do not lead and support party battalions and serve not with a party mandate, but with specific paired machine guns at specific points to destroy the shaheds, so i will say it simply and clearly , now is not the time for politics and not for politicians , everyone who doesn't know what to do, support ukrainian defenders, that's all politics as of today, just like that, it's martial law, and that's how we'll actually be strong. we can win thank you, mr. valentine, this was valentin nalyvaichenko, people's deputy of ukraine, former head of the security service of ukraine. friends, we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently following us on youtube and facebook, we are conducting a survey, we

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sergey, congratulations. at the time when we are talking about europe, about nato, the members of the csto collective security treaty organization gathered today in minsk , vladimir putin flew there, alexander lukashenko met him, his head was shaking so much that he was obviously very excited to meet . with vladimir putin, we have a little video, let's watch, the president of the russian federation, vladimir vladimirovich putin.

apparently, lukashenko was worried, well, what he said during this meeting, the event cannot to come to terms with the natural course of history, and that is why he is trying with all his might to win over all those who disagree, let's listen to what lukashenko said. the conflagration of regional...conflicts , including the use of the latest weapons systems, can spread to other countries at any moment. it's no secret that the weapons supplied to kyiv end up on the black market. if western politicians are not concerned about this, then we consider the uncontrolled movement of weapons and military equipment as a potential security threat not only for our region, but all over the world. people who are holding weapons and matches from this fire, which lukashenko is talking about, have again

gathered in minsk, so what, that is, in your opinion, is the dckb considering the possibility of using joint forces, where, of course , there are many more russians than in other places, formations, and much more than belarusians there, or other members of the csto, what they want. tell the world, or what they tell the world, absolutely no one cares anymore? well you know, given the age of those tyrants, most of them gathered there, it is probably some kind of madness, but it is clear why russia needs such an organization, to pretend that it is a leader in the post-soviet space, that it continues to be a guarantor of security, although we understand that belarus is actually absorbed by the russian federation. is not a sovereign independent state, and this impostor, who sits and by and large is a war criminal, both from the point of view of armed aggression

against ukraine, so i hope that in the near future and that he will be arrested by the international criminal court, because he he himself admitted that he had something to do with, shall we say, the theft, the removal of ukrainian children, here, but in any case... this organization is not effective by and large , we saw a representative of kazakhstan there, who quite, shall we say, is wary of this organization for obvious reasons , since there are native russian territories on the territory of sovereign kazakhstan, and of course there can be a conflict, and this is the reason why there is, that is, on the one hand, he understands that this organization does not give anything, but on the other hand annoying russia should not, it cannot function, because in fact armenia fell out of this orbit, for obvious reasons, the russian federation abandoned its ally, did not want

to support it in the war with neighboring azerbaijan, and understood why pashinyan does not want to participate in this action, in like that, but to continue to use this site for propaganda purposes, to repeat, well, all the nonsense that we heard in the soviet union for 70 years. that the most peaceful country is constantly attacked by someone, but the soviet union is not attacked by anyone never attacked, well, plus the accusations are completely groundless about the alleged supply of western weapons to some markets there and that belarus is perceived as some kind of threat, so all this is delusional, these are actions, and of course, we perceive this organization as legitimization , actually russian. influence , which is decreasing, and russia is not able to continue to play such a role, well, and probably

another aspect, this is the summit of the countries of central asia with china. where actually symbolically this, let's say this, this sphere of influence passed under the heavenly and from the russian federation, since of course, the incomparable security resources that china and the russian federation have, and most importantly the economic, let's say , levers of influence that china has, which the russian federation absolutely lost with this war, from russia, of course, from belarus. we have an open question, we still have diplomatic relations with belarus, although this week the verkhovna rada of ukraine introduced new sanctions against the russian federation and belarus, and the decision of the nsdc prohibits transactions with goods and services with residents of the russian federation and belarus, including those what are held with the involvement of residents of other

countries. you can, well, give an explanation why we treat belarus in a completely different way. rather than to russia, why do we still maintain diplomatic relations with the country that acted as a co-organizer in this great war. well, you know, i don't have a logical explanation for diplomatic relations , at one time, the previous president and his team reasoned that there is no need to break diplomatic relations with the russian federation, as if ukraine would not be able to protect the legitimate interests of our citizens and legal entities, although. this is absolutely not true, because there are two conventions on diplomatic and pro-consular relations, and there is actually a clause on pro-consular relations that says: the break of diplomatic relations, i.e., by itself, does not mean the break of consular relations, that is, the break, if we say broke now diplomatic relations with belarus, we would still have the opportunity to have our consuls who would

provide services to our fellow citizens, but there is also a very important point here. since our consuls are not, shall we say, wizards, they are use the legal system of the host country and the relevant authorities, as well as the state authorities and the judicial system, in order to protect the interests of our fellow citizens or companies. and taking into account the fact that belarus is not a legal democratic state, it is clear that such a tool is actually unavailable to us, and therefore it would be logical for ukraine to turn to a third state, it could be switzerland or some other european country, neutral, which could perform this function, that is, it would be clear, from a political point of view, it makes no sense to keep ukrainian diplomats there, since there is no free media, that is, our diplomats cannot address the belarusian community, and in order to somehow increase the truth a little in the information space, it is clear that

there is a strict counter-intelligence control over them, that is, the caddies listen to our diplomats and watches over them , that is, they cannot even meet with anyone , so there is actually no presence there, why there is no break in diplomatic relations now, i don’t understand, i understand before, in the times before of a large-scale invasion, well, in fact, we created such a very favorable atmosphere for the former last dictator of europe, giving the opportunity to hold these minsk , let's say, minsk dialogue, minsk on the territory of minsk, belarus, that is, there was some idea that some kind of political dialogue was going on, and actually so there is no need to be annoying, plus we bought part of the goods from the russian federation , including goods, the same diesel, and actually because, well, let's say it like this, it was necessary, although it is clear that being dependent from such supplies, it was absolutely

wrong, it was necessary to look for others, others . sources, but the situation changed on february 24 last year and of course it is not clear why we have this relationship. another issue is that we cannot take any drastic steps in relation to minsk, i am not talking about diplomatic ones, but more brutal ones, taking into account the fact that our forces are, let's say, short on the rather long front line, and of course, that stretching it and create an additional stress line. on the border with belarus, well, it was would be unreasonable, but these are different things, diplomacy or formal relations, and actually some operations on the territory of belarus or on the territory of belarus, but we must be ready for this, because no one guarantees that this old moron, who is not the president of belarus from the point of view from the point of view of democratic procedures,