has its own money, has safer conditions for the development of ukraine, which does not have its own funds for such directions, and all the risks for those enterprises that can be created in ukraine, how to create attractiveness for the ukrainian market? i think that the attractiveness of the ukrainian market now , of course, is determined by the fact that there is a much larger volume, the volume of this market here, than in the same poland, that is, we need much more ammunition, armored vehicles, anti-aircraft missile ... complexes and new solutions , which are implemented by our western partners, that is, in principle, what the attractiveness of the ukrainian market can still be higher than in poland, due to the fact that here, for example, if, within the framework of ramstein, a country declares to produce, at the request of ukraine, the ministry of defense of ukraine, some type of weapon, then the government can pay for this type of weapon,

to the country to which... the company belongs, that is, ukraine does not even have to allocate funds, that is, now these coalitions, they conclude that, unlike in peacetime, when, for example, ukraine needs, if ukraine wants to take participation in the project with the european defense agency on the anti-aircraft missile system, okay, this is good, but you pay for your participation, allocate some technologies, or allocate funds and so on, here now the situation is a little different, that is, even on the condition that ukraine, indeed we have defense now. the budget is quite powerful, ukraine , for example, emphasizes unmanned systems, obviously, a lot of money is allocated, but at the same time, within the framework of ramshtein, the ministry of defense of ukraine can actually respond to requests from the government of the country to which some specific companies that manufacture iriste nasams or another system there, and this is precisely the ukrainian market, that is, it is actually...

' market, but it is financed by other countries, and this has a special attraction, of course, this is a unique situation, it cannot continue for long, and this is the same challenge that we talked about in the first part, that aid, this higher aid, i mean, at the military-political level, when it is defined, then it allows these projects to be launched , as soon as this aid is stopped, of course, to ukraine itself it will be necessary to resolve the issue. financing, attracting defense and industrial companies, creating the attractive conditions you are talking about, so far these attractive conditions are created so uniquely by that configuration and the attitude towards ukraine that has formed among our partners, such trust is complete, and the allocation of virtually unlimited money, that is, the finances that are being allocated now, this is a very large amount of money that was unimaginable even there three years ago, now it is and this situation,

of course, it requires a lot of responsibility from us, including the fight against corruption, because if corruption is noticed in this system, money will be stolen, which the western press sometimes starts talking about, then of course this atmosphere will be disturbed and immediately these unique conditions will be destroyed. mr. mykhailo, thank you very much for these important remarks related to the direction of... development of military-technical cooperation with western partners, thank you for your time, thank you for finding the opportunity to join us, our i will remind the viewers that mykhailo samus, head of the analytical organization network, was on the air. and then we will talk about how american companies perceive the ukrainian market, what are the problems, what are the prospects, but this will be after the advertising information break.

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we talk about how it is now possible to create a new synergy of interaction between ukrainian and foreign defense industrial companies, there are many nuances here. which must be taken into account and we will now talk about it based on the experience of our next guest, we are joined by pavlo verkhniatskyi, he is the director and managing partner of the kos company, as well as the co-coordinator of the working group on security and aerospace, the american ukrainian business council. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, glad to see and hear. good day, serhiyevich. i would like to start our conversation by asking you to consider, well , first of all, comment on the appeal of the president of ukraine to american government officials, to american companies that was heard on the fox news channel, it was just a couple of days ago, the president talked about the fact that we are ready for joint production of weapons, and when you do it for ukraine or together with

ukraine, you do it with the americans, and most of the production anyway will be deployed in your states , as well as in ukraine, that is, in fact, it is about certain such explanations for the american... partners that money for ukraine is money for you, and this is sort of the political component of this story, and what is the practical component, you are enough do you communicate in detail with american companies, how do american partners, defense industry, treat the ukrainian market, what are their visions, what are the risks, what are the challenges? well, first of all, first of all, it's very good that those messages, to the foreign defense industry in general, are sent and sent at the highest level from the president, it's already very good, and it has taken on such a, in my opinion , systematic nature, that is this is happening now constantly, at a good level, but with regard to

the practical component, it is a little more difficult here, because in principle, we will not limit ourselves to messages, foreign companies, especially american ones, in which the main client is the american government and they are usually active in foreign markets, but still focus primarily on their key customer, the united states, they are more skeptical, they are more cautious regarding entering new markets, and here too it should be noted that, unlike some european companies, american companies rely heavily on the opinion of their government and wait for the green light for every step they take in new markets, in including in

a country where the war is still going on, so they definitely, i can say absolutely definitely, are looking closely at local partnerships, at the prospects of the domestic market as such , that is, they are looking at our future potential defense, at potential defense orders, domestic, and there is little to predict here, taking into account the fact that the defense order will depend not only on the needs of the army, but also on... the economy, so there is less, let's say, less possible optimism, but the companies are looking at different configurations where relations with the ukrainian enterprises that will lead to, let's say, joint production and exit, joint entry into foreign markets, where it will be possible to compete on price, including with other players, including... with the chinese, perhaps with other players, for example, russia,

if at all it will still produce something there after the war, and as for specific projects, here i will not say everything for sure, from what has already happened more or less in the public sphere, this, this, the companies are looking at some joint adaptation projects in in the field of anti-aircraft defense defense that is, the adaptation of western missiles to our launchers, for which there are simply not enough missiles, interesting projects, interesting, interesting initiatives, but they too, well, this is not exactly such a systemic solution, in my opinion, not very, not exactly promising, in my opinion, again, because i think ukraine has the potential to produce modern, modern weapons, and not only... for current needs, now it is, let's say, more in such a, well, not chaotic, but war regime is happening,

that is, to meet the needs now and as much as possible faster, yes, and what can be produced over time, integrated into international programs , this is already, for now, the area where companies look and study the situation, evaluate it, i think, you know, not everyone even drives. according to its politicians, that is, it makes it difficult, it is also a little bit of a process. mr. pavle, you are talking about the fact that, in principle , american companies, there and private ones, which have a part of american defense orders there, are waiting for such a certain green green light, so can there not be such, such a large-scale green light, this the next event, which is scheduled for december 6-7, there the us government announced that it should be held there, such a conference will be held with the participation of ukrainian american government officials, with the participation of defense enterprises, from

both sides, what can be expected from such an event and whether i repeat, is this not a green light that will give american companies the opportunity to be more calm or to treat the prospects of the ukrainian market more like that, well , first of all, this is a certain continuation, this measure that is being planned is a certain continuation of everyone liked the forum that was in ukraine in kyiv in september, and the systematic nature that i spoke about is precisely its component, that is, this is the second event, it is a good trend, moreover, it will take place, precisely in the united states, much easier access for manufacturers, they will, well, 100% arrive there in full. that is, it is a good thing, it is a good trend, but to say that

it will immediately open a green light, give there, for joint projects, again, we can look at it systematically, and take into account that help to ukraine can be somewhere decline due to the political component that we are currently seeing in the united states. and perhaps such a green light would be a good step from the current administration, the presidential administration, in the united states in order to free up a little, to give room for maneuver to the industry and to us, well, to the american industry and to us as a country, in the coordination of certain decisions there, and not to wait for each, for each, for each step of the green light, taking into account again the political component, but this, in my opinion, is such a good

optimistic view of things, to predict it it's probably too early. let's look there a little more than a week before the event, and in principle, in principle, i would probably, no, i wouldn't say that directly it will not be immediately for everyone, for everyone , they will open this green light there, this is the second event, at which there will be certain agreements, for sure, maybe some point projects, plus you also perfectly understand that each project is individual, individual, each company that can come here has completely different perspectives and visions, both of our market and of opportunities for cooperation, both from their side, as well as from the point of view of those partners who are in to ukraine, remain in ukraine, and plus, well, considering the conditions of the war , after all, let's not delve too much into the details

of the readiness of the infrastructure for all this, that is , all these things are individual, that's why there is such a general green light, let's see, let's see , but it would be a good step, i think it would be a really good step, and i would like to clarify one more area, you are actually the co-coordinator of this working group on security and aerospace, the american ukrainian business council and actually feel the spirit of powerful of american companies engaged in the aerospace segment, i don't know if you saw the publications there that we wrote there certain... because back in the 19th year there were certain agreements with the boing company about the possibility of deploying there to assemble training there - training aircraft there t7 radhawk on the capabilities of the antonov enterprise, this project was ambitious, interesting, a letter was even sent to the head of the booing company

from the then minister of defense poltorik, then this one was a little bit like that. went into the shadows but in any case, this segment is aviation and space, or primarily aviation, as far as it is now such that it is possible to renew these negotiations with boeing or with other companies that can really either use the potential of ukraine or, on the contrary , provide certain competencies to the ukrainian aerospace industry in the creation of new products that are needed both now and in the future, what do you think about this? well, it is difficult to predict what might happen in the cooperation between boeing and antonov, because, let's say, there have already been attempts to implement something several over the last few years, and with regard to this training, training aircraft

, well, first of all, we need to look at how much it is in that...' we also need it, we can choose here now and we don't have to, we don't have to, but does it fit into our concept of the development of the aviation industry, uh, because, let's say, the current needs for war, it definitely does not cover, but the t7 is a good training and combat aircraft, of course, it is clear, but considering our main enemy, well, it is clear that the machine is not enough there for some tasks, that is, education, great, but , as we have already seen, it is possible to study abroad, and it is certainly not a priority task, to produce in terms of export to other markets, it is good, but i think, still after all, they will primarily look at what can be applied here and in the future to export markets, so

on t7, at least i can't say now that it will be this particular project, i would look away. and bpl, oddly enough, i would look into the development of bpl, including, well, together with the antonov enterprise, this, in my opinion the story is more realistic now, it is less problematic with the supply of components, production, production of components in ukraine, for example, yes, i am not talking about the assembly itself, for such an aircraft as the t7, although it is even, well, it is not a full-fledged ... fighter , but it is still a complex machine, and today i am not sure that this decision will be implemented, although it might be, mr. pavle, but are there any restrictions or restrictions on the american side, fears due to the fact that through ukraine there may be a leak of such certain ones or other

sensitive technologies, so it is necessary to somehow dose the prospect of cooperation with ukraine, in particular, how we have now asked for solid fuel there for our promising missiles, land there, land there, what is the reaction of the american side? well, yes, this is a very good question , americans have been thinking about this for a very long time, somewhere else, well , at least in my memory, there were so many discussions about it 15-16 years ago, i remember the arrival of specialists in ukraine, who also raised these issues, namely security technologies, their transfer and so on, and considering certain processes that took place in our country on the eve of the war, at the beginning of the war, i think that these fears were not, not unfounded. and at the same time, at the same time, often pay attention to such a component as compliance with itar, that is, with the regulations of the united states

on technology transfer, and i know that there were problems with this compliance in the aspect of aita even in such countries as the netherlands in its time, and there were other western european countries when they received american weapons, and we, like ukraine also needs to pay attention to this, that is, now it is clear, we are trying to get everything as quickly as possible, the procedures are shortened, which is very good, of course, but for the long-term and for such serious projects, for the transfer of serious technologies, new, new weapons, because now we mostly receive , well, older weapons, it is necessary to work in this field as well, at least so that when purchasing weapons, and in general , the ministry of defense, well, had a good understanding of what it is. it's a big topic actually and i think americans, well i'm sure actually americans are watching

in this direction, and when we, well, we need to implement the correct procedures from our side, that is, in the aspect of compliance, so that, well, i am not talking about all kinds of counterintelligence things and so on, so that, in order to get more modern develop technologies together with our partners. that here is something more modern, more complex than we get now, and mr. pavle, the last question, you communicate not only with american, but also with european companies of the defense industry sector, is there a feeling that there is such a certain competition between american and european companies for prospective control of the ukrainian arms market, what are your assessments, well, i would actually return to this aspect... back to the very beginning of our conversation, where it is necessary to understand how promising a market we are, although i think that we are a promising market. you know, competition now, in my

opinion, is seen in the aspect that companies from different countries look closely at what competitors are doing, study each other's experience, look at the methods of work in the country, and to say that there is a lot of competition, well, you can definitely say that there are french companies, american, british, they are somewhere between each other, you can probably say that they compete, but at the same time some projects are done jointly, there are british-american, manufacturers, well, the same example is systems, yes, it is a british company, but they have a large production component in the united states and a large part of the weapons comes from there, which means there is competition, but now, in my opinion, it is more aspects of study, study

situations and studying what companies from different countries are doing, well, potential competitors. mr. pavle, thank you very much for your professional explanations, for inclusion in our broadcast, and i would like to remind our viewers that it was pavlo verkhnyatskyi, director and managing... partner of kosa company. these are the trends related to the development of ukraine's defense-industrial cooperation with our western partners, this is long-term cooperation, which i hope should yield significant results on the battlefield in the near and early term. stay tuned to the espresso channel, there will be more many interesting news and programs. problems with the frontal joints limit movement, it is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help

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