glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, the verdict will be on your screens. we are talking about ukraine, about the world, about war, about victory, about everything that interests you today, our dear tv viewers, today in the program. peace for. in particular, who and why wants to involuntarily involve ukraine in negotiations with russia, demobilization and conscription in a new way, what changes are being prepared for the armed forces, the strike of polish carriers, who is really behind the border blockade and whether is there a russian trace? we will talk about this and other things during the next hour with our guests, people's deputy of ukraine irena herashchenko, general serhii kryvonos. and

political expert volodymyr tsybulko. the second part of our program, which will start at 9:15 p.m., will feature my colleagues, journalists olga alen, bohdan butkevich and maryna danylyuk yarmalayeva. however, before starting our big conversation, let's watch a video of how the ukrainian defenders continue to destroy the invaders in the avdiyiv direction, the fighters of the god's cause unit of the 47th separate of the mechanized brigade released a video. powerful work by bmpredly using a smoke screen on the positions of the occupiers, let's see.

friends, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video and also subscribe to our pages on these platforms. in the course of our program, we also conduct a survey, today we ask you about whether ukraine can make compromises with russia in order to end the war. please vote on youtube, everything is quite simple there. yes, no, or please write your answer option in the comments below this video. in addition, those who are watching us now on tv can vote by phone . if you think that ukraine can compromise with russia for the sake of ending the war, 0800-211-381, no, 0800-21-382. call, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i want

to introduce our first guest today, this is iryna gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine. ms. irina, i congratulate you, thank you for being you joined our ether. from the bottom of my heart, i want to congratulate kanal spressa on its first decade, you are definitely the channel of the revolution, the revolution of dignity. thank you for the courage and courage to be together with millions of ukrainians who then opposed the kleptocratic regime of yanukovych, and of course, it is a great shame when today the revolutionary channels and the fifth, and espresso, and the independent from the bank direct are excluded from digital broadcasting, this dissimilarity to be fought, team happy birthday so first and grateful to you to the audience thank you, mrs. iryna, since we are asking our tv viewers today whether ukraine can make compromises with russia in order to end the war, i will ask you what you think about this?

as a person who took part in peace negotiations, i still think that this is a question, you know , so vague and frivolous, a very short and precise answer, let's move on to the information motive, because actually we wouldn't ask tv viewers about it and you, if the minister of foreign affairs of lithuania, gabrielus lansbergis, did not say in an interview to the lrt publication, ukraine. forced to be involved in peace negotiations with russia, since the allies are unable to provide the weapons and ammunition necessary to win the war. in 2024, says mr. lansbergis, we will need to continue to devote considerable time and effort to resolving crises, but the worst-case scenarios that can directly affect the security of the baltic states do not seem unrealistic today. ukraine is now defending an order based on rules, so

the victory of the ukrainian people is exceptional is an issue not only for the baltic countries, but also for the west, and our support for the struggle in ukraine in the near future is the main thing: the priority, therefore, the baltics, the baltic residents say, say that there are such risks that ukraine will be pushed or dragged in any negotiations from the russian federation , do you see signs now, ms. iryna , that ukraine is being inclined towards this, or are they hinting that it might be better to sit down and negotiate with putin in order to end the war as soon as possible. any war ends with negotiations, that the first second, it is obvious that the main ukrainian diplomats are the armed forces of ukraine, and it is they who really shape our negotiating position.

the more successes we have in combat, the more liberated territories we have, the weaker the russian army , the stronger our positions, negotiation and political-diplomatic mechanisms are, this is obvious, and that is why our allies really have such... great need today , request, appeal, to strengthen the armed forces of ukraine, to strengthen with those modern weapons that will help us, to liberate more territory, and to destroy more russians, in fact, all this contributes to, well, let's say this, a successful format of negotiations, i do not take lightly, you understand, i do not belong to those people, yes, who talked about coffee in crimea, about the fact that , waved checkers, it is obvious, absolutely, that it is very easy to discuss the conflict or the negotiations when you are there in an apartment in kyiv , on the couch, talking about it, everything is much more complicated, well, again, i speak as

a practitioner, who four years, every two weeks, conducted very exhausting and difficult negotiations, for the sake of one thing, to prevent a full-scale intrusion. therefore, it is impossible to take this lightly, and it is absolutely obvious that we must form a strong negotiating position, which really depends on the strength of the armed forces and on how much russia will be weakened, and in this context, sanctions are still very important, the harder they will hit sanctions on russia's economy, the more our partners here simply block any opportunities to insert dual-purpose goods into the russian federation that can work there for its defense industry, the more likely it is that russia will forced to make compromises, what we see now, unfortunately, there is no such reason to say that russia is interested

in any negotiations, unfortunately, we do not see any reason yet for putin to give up his invasive, predatory plans to destroy ukraine, not only individual territories. destruction, and ukraine, as a country that he hates with all his heart, indeed , there are certain sociological polls there, as far as it is possible in russia, because i do not believe in any democracy there, yes, and they are today they say that the number of those russians who, well, not like that, fanatically support this speciation, and in fact the war, yes, but that means nothing, because if tomorrow putin says again that we are going to the end, is increasing. well, this is a slave society, it will support it, and therefore i do not believe, you know, in any, well, special opportunity to influence the mood of the russian population, but the fact that it is necessary to stifle their economy is true,

and during of the g20 virtual summit, vladimir putin said that the kremlin has never refused negotiations with ukraine, well, of course, he lies as always , but i want to tell serhiy, you will give this synchronicity now, but putin really says this, you know, there are all 10 years of this great war, yes, the only thing, what, what he invests in negotiations, negotiations, well, if two sides sit down at the negotiating table, they look for a compromise. russia never sees a compromise, it always stands by its stupid lies, manipulates and stands by its demands that there are fascists, nazis... fake and so on, and therefore when putin is talking about negotiations, in fact he is voicing a demand for capitulation, which of course is impossible for ukraine, and i believe that any negotiations, they cannot be one-on-one with russia, sorry, there must be guarantor countries that have to suppress this hydra, comply with

international law and respect the sovereignty and security of ukraine, let's listen to putin, then continue our conversation. some colleagues have already said in their speeches that they are shaken by the aggression, the ongoing aggression of russia in ukraine. yes, of course, military actions are always a tragedy specific people, specific families, and the country as a whole. and of course, we must think about how to end this tragedy. by the way, russia has never refused peace talks with ukraine. this is not russia, but ukraine has publicly announced that it is withdrawing from the negotiations. the head

of state prohibiting such negotiations with russia. since ms. irena, you were in the negotiation process with the russians, how would you characterize the way russian so-called diplomacy behaves, although it is probably not much, it has a relationship with diplomacy, let's say, part of that propaganda machine headed by putin. putin lies, and this entire propaganda machine accordingly does everything to make ukraine a country that is not ready to enter into negotiations, confuses decrees with decrees, in other words, manipulates facts. serhii, as you know, i am a journalist by education, and in 2002, 2001, a long time ago, i interviewed vladimir putin with my former colleagues andriy shevchenko and olga skotnikova. then it was a young president who had just taken

office there, it was february 2020, 2001, that is, 22 years ago, and to be honest, i came away from that interview completely shocked and under terrible stress, because it was obvious even then how much putin has a wrong distortion of the idea of ​​history, he said then that the collapse of the soviet union is the biggest tragedy, the tragedy of his life, and actually it was clear that he does not take ukraine seriously and as an independent state, it was clear that it is an enemy, you know, the world has changed in these 22 years, ukraine has changed a lot, europe has changed , well, everything has changed, only putin has not has changed, he remains deeply post-soviet to such kgbists, and all this has greatly intensified, even there it has multiplied to some such maniacal, murderous , absolutely cannibalistic tendencies, and i think that

everything must be taken into account, he, that is why, when our team was in such an absolutely difficult situation, when the russian federation supported these proxies in donbas, and then invaded directly in the summer of the 14th, in the territory of ukraine, it is very important that our partners were at the negotiating table, and that putin could not lie later , something about these negotiations, what was or wasn't there, to manipulate, and it's really a pity that the world treated everything that was happening with crimea, with donetsk, with luhansk so lightly, and thought that if somehow they turned a blind eye to it , then they will stop putin in his aggression, in fact it was obvious that he would not stop, so our tactic was to build the potential of... the armed forces of ukraine. we understood that the stronger the ukrainian army will be, the less temptation there will be for this bastard to climb further. and in

2014, crimea was captured so easily only because his puppet yanukovych and yanukovych's gang destroyed the ukrainian army, we had an absolutely impoverished budget there at that time, and the only thing is that the ukrainian army was modernized from the 14th to the 19th year, well then to the 22nd , managed to stop putin's plan for such a quick war there. therefore, i think that, of course, it is very important for us, well, to preserve the anti-putin coalition in the world, and we see how the conjuncture is changing, we see how populist governments are coming in neighboring countries, how such anti-ukrainian parties, populist parties are winning, and here we need to strengthen parliamentary diplomacy, we need now to involve... all our efforts of all professional people, so that we work with parliaments, with governments, with third countries

that have not included sanctions against putin today, in order to maintain this anti-putin coalition, next year in 70 countries elections in the world, including in russia, including in the eu countries, and in the european union itself, and here i am, you know, we talk a lot about russia there, and i would talk about ukraine, how are we preparing for it, we oh, we're not ready absolutely by the 24th year for... just like they weren't ready for the 22nd year , that's what worries me and i'm trying my best to, you know, talk to our colleagues in the parliament, we can be opponents there, but today we must all work under the ukrainian flag, be aware of the challenges, when today the head of the european integration committee, ivana klynptynsadze, who is going to madrid on the eve of the european council meeting, to the meeting of all country committees, a member of the members of the committees of european affairs, does not receive until the last

a minute on a business trip, well, what is this, if not some kind of special damage, i don’t know, i would like to talk about the extent to which ukraine today needs to draw conclusions in the economy, rebuild it on military lines, in our parliamentary diplomacy, in the fact that it is necessary to immediately create a government of national unity, and not this misunderstanding, which today is called a government, otherwise there will be great trouble. and please tell me, mrs. irena, are there so many of these countries that the leaders of these countries need to be convinced that putin is absolutely. threatens not only to ukraine, but also to europe and the world , what about your practice, that is, do you need to constantly tell them this, constantly prove it, when the world will finally realize that putin is the new hitler? well, please note that weapons began to be supplied to us there, certainly not in the 14th year, very gradually, the united states, there somehow, not

quite publicly, britain, france, germany. they were afraid to the last, and if the european union started to supply weapons to ukraine, the countries of the european union only after a full-scale invasion. please note that sanctions against putin included only the united states, well, the g7 countries, the european union, but the countries of the global rooster there have not yet joined the sanctions regime, and here the influence of both the united states and of our other partners to third party countries. direction, and there is a global cock, so that they do not deliver to russia these dual-purpose goods that putin 's economy uses in the military industry, ah, i think you yourself understand that we are talking about a huge number of countries, including african countries, this is

the countries of america, these are the countries of asia, and we need to work with them, and if the voice of ukraine does not sound so loud there, we have to work with them indirectly, but i want to emphasize once again that just last week i had several business trips where for example, there is a women's leadership forum in rec yavik, where there were supposed to be representatives, i had requests to communicate with them from these countries, north america, the global south, and i was not signed for a business trip, only because i was the head of the opposition faction, sorry , that's it absolute madness, when we have such problems today about the delivery of information. investigations of the putin regime, about the strengthening of our presence, that is, the information presence, including in these countries, we are simply blocking what, on the contrary, we should fight for, today, by the way, we had a very interesting meeting with the new leadership of the world congress of ukrainians, this our army of ukrainians all over the world is also so huge, it is the diaspora, it is now refugees

who have become forced refugees once again, and it seems to me. that we have to work with them more actively, so that their lobbying, their advocacy is more actively involved in promoting the interests of ukraine and our joint work for victory. there was information, mrs. ireno, that the newly elected president of argentina , javier millay, proposed to zelsky to hold a summit with the countries of latin america in argentina, regarding the achievement of peace in ukraine, how do you feel about these initiatives. in distant countries, from brazil, there used to be proposals, now from argentina, the new president javier millais has come, can this have any effect, or are these countries that depend in one way or another on russian energy carriers, and in fact they are doing what many countries did during the 22nd and 23rd years, putting forward so-called peace

initiatives, the purpose of which was to accept the new territorial reality, which ... russia has taken away some of your territories, and calm down about that. well, it seems to me that the more latin america knows about the war in ukraine, the more important it is for us, so it is obvious that there, even in our communication with colleagues from these countries, when we there we cross paths at international events, or there we communicate online, we feel this great lack of information, regarding the security situation, regarding... realities, so i think it is important, also, well, let's pay attention to the fact that miley, he takes yes such a correct position, regarding... awareness of russia's crimes, and i think that in the wake of such a new , new government, maybe it's a good idea to give

more information not only to argentina, but to the whole region, i think that all such initiatives should be welcomed if possible to be used as platforms where ukraine can present its position, but obviously we have to stand on the ukrainian plan, which is nothing without ukraine, about ukraine and defend the position of the need to restore territorial integrity and sovereignty, and the latter, you know, now there are many discussions about there are security guarantees of ukraine, where i am convinced that there cannot be any security guarantees outside of ukraine's membership in nato, please note that there are certain security guarantees of israel, ah, and we see that there is also an attack in israel today hamas and the united states, of course, helps this country with weapons, but also with regard to israel, today's aid is blocked

in the congress, we hope that after thanksgiving there will be a necessary debate in the congress on the restoration of aid to ukraine, which is vital for us and for israel, so here it is the signals that sounded from different nato representatives there, i consider this to be a probing of the soil. regarding ukraine's membership in nato, at this stage, in the conditions that exist, i think that this can be such an important foundation that it is important to develop, i was surprised by the reaction, you know, of these positive blockers who attacked these representatives, that we will never trade our territories, in exchange for nato membership, this is savagery, because none of the nato countries ever recognizes the occupation crimea and other territories of ukraine, never, it is obvious, let's remember how for decades nato did not recognize the occupation

of the baltic countries by the soviet union, or the occupation in essence by the soviet bloc, this warsaw pact part of germany, and it must be understood that ukraine, a member of nato, can fight for our territories, in a political and diplomatic way, thank you, thank you, mrs. irina, that was it. gerashchenko, people's deputy of ukraine, co-chair of the european solidarity faction in the verkhovna rada of ukraine. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, be sure to like this video and subscribe to our pages on these platforms. throughout this program, we conduct surveys. we ask you about whether ukraine can go to compromises with russia for the sake of ending the war and. yes, no, it's quite simple, and you see, you are now on the screens of phone numbers , by calling which you can also vote, all calls to these numbers are

free, if you think that ukraine can compromise with russia for the sake of termination war, 0800-211-381, no, 0800 211-382. once again, all calls to these numbers are free. next , serhiy kryvonos, reserve major general, will be in touch with us. of the armed forces of ukraine, former first deputy commander of the special forces of operations of the armed forces of ukraine and former deputy secretary of the national security council. mr. general, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. good evening, glory to ukraine everyone. glory to heroes. mr. general, information appeared today with reference to the press service of the ministry of defense that problematic issues will be studied in ukraine and the construction of fortifications on the front will be monitored. ministry of figures. and the ministry of defense, together with entrepreneurs, want to create fortifications closer to the front, a reform is planned, as stated in the message

the ministry of defense, which will determine the areas of responsibility, the military is entrenched in the first line of defense, the state recovery agency and private companies are in the second and third. why, mr. general, did shmyhal's government only now start talking about fortification, when the russians... along and across the south were fortifying there, well, this just shows the level of perception and professionalism of those who lead the ukrainian people, this is a poor green coincidence that directly does not does not understand anything, except for the removal of short stubs, unfortunately, maybe mine you know, such aggressive behavior was more likely to be correct, but this has already happened, many experts have already told them about it. and they said not the first month and not the first year, but the visa is still there, you see, and this is the most annoying thing, we are losing

huge... er, priceless personnel, without, we are losing the best guys, and very often because they were not prepared in time, there were directly positions for our fighters, in september 2021, dmitry kuleba flew to washington, and one of the senior officials in washington said, guys, let's go trenches, because there is data from american intelligence, there will be an attack and trenches must be dug. then, in fact , no one in ukraine talked about the need to dig trenches in september 21, as well as later. why, well, why in your opinion, having all the maps, including data, of foreign intelligence, not only american, but also british. why didn't the authorities build these trenches, which would eventually help, or

at least protect. the south of the country and mariupol? well, as for the south, there were more than enough trenches, mined, so just in the south there are fewer questions, and why wasn't it done in kharkiv oblast, why wasn't it done in chernihiv oblast, sumy oblast, kyiv oblast, that's what the question is, and the question of why, from my point of view, investigative actions must be conducted, they are being conducted now, but for some reason they ask only from the military, for some reason they don't ask from the political leadership of ukraine, how is it enough, you know, such a selective check is going on that the military is to blame for everything, and the political leadership directly, which shuttled roskatov to the districts of kalanchak, talked about peace there, the president was coming i looked at the demining of the sea of ​​azov, and there are more than enough such examples, so the problem lies with those politicians who

tried to tell us as early as february 21 that they do not see a threat, they see absolutely nothing and there is no need to do anything there, destroy , take apart your backpacks, directly the emergency backpacks that people prepared for the war, the authorities, knowing that there would be a large influx, did absolutely nothing to prepare the territory, the economy and the people to repel a large aggression. sir it is considered only as one word sabotage. mr. general, it was obvious to the military that a big war was simply inevitable. of course, look, there is still information about the allocation of funds, again, obviously with some delay, but the budget for the 24th year has been formed, the deputy minister of defense says that uah 175 billion will go to the purchase of missiles and ammunition, to military equipment about 80

billion, are these funds enough to provide the armed forces of ukraine with weapons and ammunition, or should we still talk about the creation of a large military economy, the ukrainian economy should eventually go on military lines, as the russian federation is doing now, very quickly they are reworking the entire logistics, the entire system, and begin to mold missiles and weapons more than it was in the 22nd year. we have to do the same, our allies have repeatedly said this, and a huge number of specialists who have paid attention to the independence of development and the restructuring of the ukrainian economy on a military basis have said so, and what do we hear in response from our from our leaders that in the private sector it is impossible to transfer the economy to military flights, well, if they have not read

a single book, then discover ... how the completely private economy of the united states during the second world war provided an army of eight million with the right amount of weapons and more besides provided a huge number of allies, including the soviet union, and they are either weak or have not read books when they say such things, the ministry of defense also reports, forgive me, i will quote them a lot, because they start more to inform about what is being done, and i am interested in your professional opinion, since the information itself is not enough to understand whether it is good or bad, whether it is enough or not enough, so the ministry of defense plans to transfer the armed forces to the provision of ukrainian production, we are talking about body armor, helmets, tactical equipment, clothing and food for the armed forces, entrepreneurs are ready to fully provide the physical needs of the armed forces with quality goods, support...