which was the engine of democratization in central eastern europe. and so they created it, and here it turns out that oops, what was possible anyway, and now they are desperately looking for mechanisms to get out, just like in nato. listen to what the disagreements could be in nato, when there was a confrontation between east and west and the whole world was teetering on the brink of, well, nuclear war. but when all that went away, yes, everyone relaxed, everyone began to think, maybe, maybe we will just blackmail everyone, brothers of sins, and we will demand that our whims be satisfied, well, no, it will not be like that, that is, it will not be like that, the world today is really on the threshold of a serious internal political transformation, both of individual states in the process of making political decisions, and most importantly of international organizations, i would even say, institutional changes, not only at the level of some countries, and at the level of the european union and nato, and when we hear from scholz the statement that it is necessary to move, perhaps, at the level of the european union from decision-making by a single vote to

a qualified majority, this is precisely a manifestation of these changes, which, however, are taking place a little slowly, but nevertheless happening. sir, thank you very much, i think it was very important for the audience to hear that the europeans understand that something has gone wrong with them, it must be changed. chevrons that the victory of tsn is approaching, the week of the mazur hall, tomorrow we are there to tell you impressive stories of indomitable people, we work so that fakes do not influence your decisions, everyone can see the meaning of things and actions, in this broadcast, a new weapon of mass destruction, as a dangerous digital technology that falsifies

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by calling 097 725-25-13. rules of a warm country: bathroom. thank you for passing through the night at low temperatures, loading the drum as much as possible. let's beat the winter together. we continue. conversation, as you know, we have, when the news is breaking, here in the studio, for example , only on the contrary only emotions are stirred up, and so we move on to what is happening in the world, not all the things that are happening in the world are happening in the world nice to us, let's talk, well, let's probably start with the elections that took place in north america, which very interesting candidate won there, and then we move on to the netherlands, because this is a country that has constantly helped us, systematically helped us, literally the other day they handed over two or millions , seems to help, and here. we have lived, we are already confusing

billions and millions, or one way or another , we could live in the war of ukraine, and here comes a person with absolutely anti-ukrainian and anti-european positions, what can we expect from these, from these first elections, which started, i will start with a short phrase, in the southern hemisphere, spring is raging, and it is approaching, and summer is approaching, so i think that this metaphor best characterizes what is happening in the world, in the world, as always , different processes are taking place, somewhere there are positive, somewhere there are negative , well, but again, well, we said for the first time that if we took and looked at all the western european or world press and analyzed what they wrote about, if we analyzed all the statements of politicians, we would make elementary content- analysis, yes, and not extracted exclusively those articles are controversial.

are frankly so loud, well, we would have no reason to raise any slogans, but we only see there that someone has written some frankly provocative article, so until we react to provocative articles. they will still be written, well, because of course, you write them specifically in order to provoke our reaction, you wrote a normal article , roughly speaking, an adequate, analytical forecast, no one noticed it, here someone wrote briefly about what i i don't know, the israelis are building laser, yes, as they said, in order to deprive american children of christmas, everyone noticed it and everyone discussed it, well, you see, this is the problem of clickbait on the internet, if the headline is not bright, you say the article, the problem is actually. this is one of the reasons, by the way, why argentina has such a president now, because a person of completely unconventional political, in a basic sense, and convictions, a person who is not systematic, a person who sometimes offers things that contradict each other and that combine and some liberal, and

right-wing and populist ideas very deeply, that what people like, i would say that the processes taking place in europe are simply a manifestation of another political cycle in which the western hemisphere enters and very often moderate politicians are replaced by radical ones, but this once again means , that after these radicals , moderates will most likely come again, because this is the basis of democracy that exists in the world, when there is a struggle of ideas, there is a struggle of views, and the inability of one of the political groups to ensure the result necessarily leads until another group appears. and maybe i will ask the question in this way, if one wave has passed in europe, we see hungary, slovakia, it is not clear here. what will we talk about, what is happening in the netherlands, can we expect that in the southern hemisphere, what they said is spring, and javier millais can become the first, yes, one of the first representatives of the countries that now, we really hope, will want to help us south, yes, that the global south will wake up and come to us, and here you see, here, in my opinion

, the most interesting moment, which it shows its for example, we talked a lot about the fact that there is a certain problem related to the political elites of some states, the voters, who vote... for such rather strange politicians and rather strange political programs, and in general, there are such certain trends . but the new argentine president shows that this game can be played in two ways, in two hands and in two ways, and for a long time argentina had a completely pro-russian government, they are there and all these relevant integration projects were going to join russia again and very i was proud that look, the west is against us, but with us there, for example, such countries as argentina, well, they said, the whole world is for us, yes, there is the whole world for us, and here is a beautiful illustration, argentina is a large south american the state, and now everything

, turns upside down in this situation, and it turns out that this is all an invasion, let's say so, of diverse, well, people who occupy such a rather specific... political niche, it can work in different directions , in fact, it can be the same as bringing some pro-russian ones political forces in individual countries can also conduct frankly anti-russian politicians, and it can work in different directions and it is necessary to take into account and it is not necessary to look at it, well, we will see how it will all turn out, and when asked about it, they mentioned that under during the elections they say one thing, the reality is another, maybe argentina will start helping, well , let's wait for the appropriate policy. does argentina have anything to help us? well, at least, at least diplomatically, he has already taken the initiative to hold a corresponding summit peaceful in south america, so let's see, there will definitely be some diplomatic help, but let's not forget that

despite his ambiguous image, he is an economics teacher, well, if i'm not mistaken, a mathematician by education. that is, you understand, everything is not so bad, well, it is not even that everything is not so bad, here the question is different, that this is just a demonstration of the fact that in order for a teacher and a mathematician to have a chance in politics, it is necessary to run with a chainsaw in modern politics, run with a chainsaw, and promise destroy all the ministries, disperse all the bureaucrats , i think we should just advise the audience to take and google what kind of person this hack is, he held the elections, i think that many people... will not be able to solve the puzzle, what he looks like, what he shouted, how he jumped, in particular, how he celebrated his victory, yes , and what you say, that he turns out to be a person with an economic education, who knows how to count perfectly, that's normal, but he is not the first, in my memory the first one was pademos, well, they were also university ones

teachers, well, in the vast majority of young people, professors, who were well enough popular in a certain environment, and they were one of the successful populist projects in europe, well, i am not talking about syrez in greece, yes, because he was less successful, yes , although there was also, well, this is what is called a big explosion of populism, and one must understand that populism does not grow on empty soil, that it just happened out of nothing, and people wanted it, no, because people actually see that their problems are either ignored, or are not solved, and people develop banal dissatisfaction, because they proceed from two presumptions, the first presumption is that they either do not want to solve our problems or cannot solve our problems, well, if you do not want to and cannot, then we will to change, this is how democracy works, and always on this ground you... there are those who will say that we both want and can, and we must understand that what happened in hungary is a different

story, slovakia is a different story, and what we see in the netherlands is a classic genre, let's go, he came to power on anti-migrant rhetoric, on radical anti-islamism, you understand, on radical xenophobia, refugees, which are only a remark, he did not come to power so far, he received an option that there is an opportunity to come to power, but how, how will all this be implemented, it is still very, very unfortunate that even his potential coalition partners have much more restrained views, but one must understand what is the charm, why populism is useful, because it leads, yes, it is, roughly speaking, populism, this visit to sigmund freud, this is a psychoanalysis of society , yes, that is, this is what you have repressed, something that decent people, yes, cultured people, cannot afford to express out loud, yes, because they will immediately tell you that you are a xenophobe

, that you are anti-sem, that you are someone else, but at the everyday level everyone thinks so, that is, sooner or later there must be someone who will articulate it anyway, that is why zalepen said the same thing in france, that is, you have to understand , that there is a problem in society, there is dissatisfaction in society, and it is clear that sooner or later later it will be a rationalization, yes one of the main... functions of political leaders both in the principle of politics and stationary politicians, they have to eventually learn to notice problems and react in dublin today, so come on, pretend there is no problem, well i i know how it will end, it will end with that , i told my students the same thing today, by the way, that it will end with the formation of skinhead brigades that will solve the problem with available methods, you want it, and then musk will go out and talk with such a... he will make a spade, and there is a latent civil war going on in europe. so you really want to bring europe to a latent

civil war, because you have made the state remove itself from this problem, and the russians will play on it, they will inflame it, they do it deliberately. therefore, for a very long time, people ignored the problem and did not want to, you know, get their hands dirty with these problems, they are all a product of, well, the end of history. okazu's story continues. i would say what is this coming of populists to power, it is simply an aggravation of the existing problems and bringing them to a boiling point, and here in a vivid form, and in europe , including when in a vivid form they try to demonstrate what is happening, in fact, why this new potential has come now the prime minister, it remains to be seen if the prime minister, garth, if i'm not mistaken, wilders, yes, because he was actually able to capitalize. in the political plan , a key problem that has troubled the netherlands for many years, rutte was forced

to change several governments in order to solve it, and actually resigned in july, precisely because he could not offer a way out of the situation that this wilders was now offering , and interestingly, populists always force moderate governments to be more radical, because ryuta's last positions were to to significantly tighten the conditions for the stay of refugees in the landes , but he simply brought, that is to say, a new potential candidate for prime minister, this situation to the boiling point, and he dealt with it systematically and for a very long time, since 2004 his party founded and promoted it, by the way, i can draw a parallel with the united states , what is interesting there, that during his tenure as president, trump started these walls with mexico, a very urgent problem, tunnels with mexico were opened every day, how did they respond . 4-5,000 migrants cross into

the united states to date, but what's interesting is that with this radical sharp rhetoric, he has now forced biden, his cabinet to renew the program to build a wall on the border with mexico, so here are these populist forces, they force even moderate, let's say, politicians to radicalize, but very often this does not give results, because people no longer have trust and perception of moderation, balance, and some kind of cautious coalition decisions. actually, today president zelsky said that there is no need to be shocked by the elections in the netherlands, everything will be fine, he had a phone conversation with ryute, and we want to return you to europe from the states, our own. exclusive interview of the deputy prime minister on issues of european and of euro-atlantic integration by olga stefanishyna was recorded by our colleague natalka fibrik, the vice-prime minister is currently traveling around europe and studying the situation, so to speak, how they are talking about our potential entry into the eu, and good news: germany is ready to take the lead on negotiations regarding

ukraine's accession to the eu, let's listen now, watch olga stefanishyna's interview and return to ours. conversations ms. olga, now everyone is waiting for the decision of the european council at the summit in december, and whether to start official negotiations with ukraine about joining the eu, after your meetings, the changes are here in germany, where in this story the official berlin. the position of germany and berlin is unequivocal, i can confirm this already based on the results of the meeting held today, which is unconditional support for the decision to open negotiations regarding ukraine, as well as. with regard to moldova, this is clearly the adoption of a decision on the budget program for the next four years in the amount of 50 billion euros, and we know the germans, they are very pragmatic, and everyone realizes that there should be a certain financial predictability, and this is very important for us, germany has a very solid weight within the european union and today it is very important

that there is an unambiguous position of the german side, we assessed: today at the meetings in chancellor scholz's office and our general readiness for negotiations and progress in political reforms, we hope that germany will also will contribute to the consolidation of the consensus, because all 27 leaders have to make a clear decision, i had conversations about how we work in other capitals, with other countries, how we can strengthen each other's positions, but this in fact, it is already a very big historic...' transformation, germany clearly does not just support, it takes the lead in advancing ukraine to the eu. next year is an important election year for many european countries and european institutions, and already this year we see that the ultra-right won in the netherlands. how dangerous is this trend

for ukraine? well, in general, the election year is 2023 and the 24th. elections were held in poland and slovakia, and elections are taking place in the netherlands, and there will be elections in romania, austria and many other countries of the european union, the elections in the united states, the elections in the european institution, that is, this is such a general general, general story, and i think that it is precisely and important here that the main decisions that have to be taken now, the decisions of december 15, these are the decisions that related to the financial framework, decisions related to the reform of the european union, decisions related to sanctions, military aid, and their adoption, let's say, will make it impossible, let's say, a political deviation towards populist populist or radical radical rhetoric, we are sure that europe will endure, and this is

a turbulent path, of course, russia contributes to the maximum destabilization of the situation in the middle. of europe, through propaganda, through hybrid methods of influence, this is an obvious reality, we must not forget about it, and we must remain focused, and now we see on the main square of berlin by the predburg gate a piano stage in ukrainian national flags, tell me what kind of action this is and why was it important for you to take part in it? on tuesday, november 21, we celebrated the 10th anniversary of the beginning of the revolution dignity, this revolution began: from the fact that it finally became clear who the people of ukraine are, the people of ukraine are people who stand up for their freedom, for their values, for their rights, who determine the future, and there was an unequivocal feeling that this is the future in europe and no one in the world can define otherwise, today we understand that this future is becoming

a reality, we are starting membership negotiations, this is a continuous ten-year journey of zmi. transformation of our year, unfortunately, today we pay with blood for free europe, for a strong europe, for a safe europe, we are doing our part by fighting for it, i am very pleased that ukrainians and germans are gathering in the central square in berlin today, who want to pay tribute to those people who were at the revolution of dignity, who were on the maidan, who laid down their lives, and who today are fighting for the same , for the same values, and i am very pleased that the germans remember that the ode to joy was played on the maidan, it is the anthem of the european union, and today we will hear it and here on the central one. square in

berlin, well, let's continue the topic and we talked about the netherlands, you know why this story looks so disturbing, because we see that there was only one hungary, like this stone in the boot, and here next to it is slovakia, and here a country that has supported us for a long time and systematically, starting with a huge number of refugees who were well received and ending with large amounts of aid, it can be said that some very unpleasant trend is emerging, you understand, not really, for one simple reason, the tendency here is that for a long time, really, i agree with my colleagues here, they turned a blind eye to the problems and they get out, hungary, it did not appear yesterday, to put it mildly, this orbán has been sitting since the 10th year, ugh, and what kind of person is he time did, he actually, for example, by the methods of carting districts, ugh, and ensured himself a permanent majority in the parliament, and everyone in the world... europe turned a blind eye to this, they gave him more money for this, we, we were told here, how here our democracy is terribly bad, in hungary orban carved out districts for himself, that's it

they turned a blind eye, they let him establish this regime, they turned a blind eye, it was cheap russian gas, yes, yes, yes, the way he started flirting with russia there, how he started sabotaging european politics there, well, they turned a blind eye to all this, of course, that sooner or later it had to manifest itself in some way, somewhere... populist political forces are becoming actualized, well, let's be frank, including at the expense of russian money, because they were marginal before, they weren't taken on television, they weren't taken anywhere, their money no, no sponsors, the russians come, they give money, so there is advertising, there is a press, there are opportunities to campaign for themselves, and against this background they gain a certain number of votes, but let's not forget one simple thing, that after all, in the netherlands, the system is multi-party, not two-party, and accordingly, the winner there did not obtain a majority that guarantees him the opportunity to form a government, all other political parties, they were quite skeptical before the elections about the possibility of forming

a coalition with him, uh, and before the previous coalition, well, in general, the formation of a government in in the netherlands it lasted for a very long time, because they also could not come to an agreement, could not create a government, it is possible that this time it could also last 300 days, ugh. to end with another election in general, and this is an absolutely realistic scenario, moreover, in my opinion, re-elections there are a more realistic scenario than the fact that the current formal winner of the elections will form a government, so we calm down and wait for the elections, not that calm down, you just need to know that we really like to abuse clicks with clickbait yes, that is, the winner of the elections in the netherlands promises to leave ukraine without aid, there are of course a million views. it is clear that if you write a normal analytical material, for example, there is a certain political force, it has a certain program, it won a certain number of mandates, but this does not guarantee that they will win the formation of the government,

even if the government is formed, it does not guarantee that all the points of this program, they will be able to implement, because any coalition is always a compromise, and always some kind of appropriate consensus, if so look, well, the situation looks a little different, i'm not saying that it's perfect, there is a problem and it's quite obvious. a symptom of this problem, and it is not an isolated one, and it is bad, by the way, about this, can some kind of, you know, conditional co-coalition be created within the european union from hungary, slovakia, the netherlands, and there will be some other, unknown countries that will to play simply against ukraine, or on the hand, well, again, is equal to the hand, the world does not revolve around ukraine, that is, they have internal political processes. that is, in europe and there were eurosceptics before ukraine and brexit took place in britain long before ukraine, yes, that is, it started to move, that

there could be a formation of a new europe at the expense of such people, it just has to be a reaction, well, that is, well, in general, for any political body, which is democratic, it is characteristic to be in a state of dynamic equilibrium, dynamic equilibrium, i.e. equilibrium is lost, equilibrium is restored, is lost, etc. well, there was a brexit, it could be a huexit, i already said yes to the hangars, no, well, the hangars, well, that is, it can to be completely, well, repeat the same thing, i don’t think that the netherlands and hungary have common interests, because realistically, orbán’s regime in hungary, just like the regime of fitso, by the way, will be much more fragile, because his once already , let's say good-bye, yes he miraculously returned, miraculously he returned, the second time may not work like that. well, it won’t be like that in the netherlands, but in the netherlands there is some dissatisfaction, he is not the first, in austria the right won just as well, in denmark the same way, well, well, they won conditionally, in our country

also to they still say incorrectly, the election is won by the one who forms the government, and not by the one who gets the most votes, of course, because in our country in ukraine very often one political force won, yes, well, and then at the expense of the latentushkas and tushek, for some reason they formed another party, i remember very well, well, starting in 2002, yes, when one won, and then, in short, someone , well, they openly bent, bought, intimidated, and for some reason, yes, then they huddled together to the party. loved him, that's why they didn't win the election, they will win the election when they form the government, as my colleague rightly said, well, well, we are not talking specifically about the netherlands, we are talking about many others, but in general it must be recognized that in europe there is dissatisfaction among broad sections of citizens with certain practices that take place in europe, and

well, if you have seen the movie brexit, it is very po... in this respect, do you remember when the one who was responsible for the government campaign and lost, he admitted, understood why we lost, he says, because for many years we all miscalculations and all their wrong decisions were transferred to brussels, and they said that it's not us who govern badly, it's because of the brussels bureaucracy, and accordingly , instead of there being this fuse for the change of internal political regimes, yes, everyone was dissatisfied with, to put it roughly, pan-european democracy. eurosceptics feed on this, but it is very complex, just the last literal phrase so that people understand, it is a very complex architecture and a very complex process of praising decisions, it happens at the national level and it happens at the supranational level, moreover, there is a lot of yes so-called non-majority institutions, and this really causes a problem, because the government, well, managerial decisions are approved by institutions that are not elected in europe, and this is

also constant. what is he saying, in short, some people are sitting there, some people in brussels will teach me how to graze cows or something, by the way, i am just saying that it is also waiting for us, we are all now in this triumph of democracy and european integration, i guarantee you that as soon as ukraine becomes a member of the european union, eurosceptics will appear in ukraine, and i even i know what direction they will take, and i even know what they will oppose, many of them will not like it, i will run it straight ahead, no, well, identity politics, memory politics, many other things, they will not like quotas, restrictions economic, and at the same time they will say that they are against identity politics there yes, there and everything, at the same time about these eurosceptics who come to power, the fact is that very often on such populist slogans that have no political and economic, which is the most important justification, people come who very quickly understand

that without help from the same union they can do, everything will be more and more difficult for them, by the way, orban actually proved this now, when he understands that every next tranche of help needs to beg, beg , sometimes to blackmail, as in the case now with ukraine , and now he wants to beg him in exchange for a decision there to vote for what is for ukraine there and for what to start the negotiation process, so these things are also important, and very quickly , maybe even, yes and maybe not even a year will pass from the moment, for example, coalitions are formed in some countries where elections have been held, they will begin to be much more moderate, because every country, even supranational entities, they are built on the principle of checks and balances, and there is no opportunity for an individual politician , who sits in budapest or sits there in any other capital, to dictate the rules, to tell how they will live, and in general, you know, the built european union was such a feeling of romantics who created a system in which you can enter, but leave

tools can create conditions under which both hungary and other countries will think that it will be easier for them without the european union, if, well, what many are asking, and what has not been created yet, understanding how many subsidies the european union receives, the same orban, he behaves absolutely unyieldingly, sometimes bending ukraine and the european union, and the answer, you can answer, you know, which country in europe last gave women the right to vote. well, don't say hungary, switzerland, but do you know why? why? well, because the corresponding decision had to be approved only those who already had the right to vote, that is, what is all this leading to, in order to transform the rules of approval of the decision in the european union, it is necessary to reach a consensus in the european union regarding the change of these rules, and such, since they are now approved,