so, be with us, i, a russian warship, propose to lay down our weapons, and a warship will be in ukraine. fate will be forgotten, our carts will perish like a cross in a dream. we will all rule, and we are brothers on

our side, he will dry the body, we will now put him at liberty, and we will show him. dear brothers of the cossacks, i welcome you to the espresso channel, our army is restraining the enemy in the east, continuing to press the enemy's positions in the south. and expands

the bridgeheads on the left bank of the dnieper, but the front line remains constant, and the fighting is extremely exhausting and requires significant resources, for this our partners are currently forming or should form a new strategy of supporting ukraine for the winter period and beyond for a much longer period, this also applies to the supply of weapons and joint defense-industrial projects and programs of economic and military assistance in various directions, and another.. ... this week's meeting in the ramstein format was such, well, a partial response to the reflection of these needs and aspirations. russia is also preparing for a long confrontation, as they say with a collective measure. foreign intelligence service of ukraine, in the words of its leader, concluded that russia in its plans is focused on the global redistribution of the world, and the war for the occupation of ukraine is part of the russian plan. but plans and results are actually different.

things, and yet, from this whole mosaic of visits, statements, and announcements that took place this week, it is necessary to make such an integrated picture in order to have answers to the questions: what to prepare for, how in which direction our partners' approaches are changing, and what can calculate ukraine, and what we should do independently against the background of those systemic threats that produced by the russian federation, we will talk about this with a leading expert in the next edition of our military program, my name is serhii sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with the espresso channel, seeks to highlight the most relevant trends in the field of security, and now to we are joined by mykhailo samus, the head of the analytical organization network, as well as the deputy director of the army, conversion and disarmament research center. mr. mykhailo, welcome to the channel. glad to see and hear. i congratulate you. sir

sergey, a lot of events happened this week, we will get to them, but i would like one way or another it turns out that a certain point for statements and assessments is the situation on the front line, some time ago you said that certain successful the actions of the armed forces in order to have such a positive influence on our partners, can we say that the situation on the front line in certain directions, in particular on the left bank of the dnieper or in terms of control over certain areas of the black sea, are those positive signals that can be correctly interpreted for our partners in order to understand the dynamics of changes that are taking place on the front line, well, in fact, i even noticed that in the statements, in the reports of the leaders of the european union, representatives of individual countries, and just as

it is called, for example, the black sea direction, left bank of the kherson region, as evidence that the ukrainian counteroffensive, as many believe, has not stopped, that the ukrainian armed forces, defense forces continue their active operations, and again, this means that the situation at the front is not turned into a kind of stalemate, and a positional war cannot, always and not on the entire, not on all sections of the front, characterize the current situation, so i think that indeed, the development of events that we are now seeing on the left bank of the kherson region, although of course it must be understood that it is very hard work, it is a very difficult task across the dnipro, to carry out such operations in winter, well, that is , it is actually on the verge of fantasy, what the ukrainian military is doing now, and why

they are succeeding, because even , if you look at the reports of the so-called military leaders, russian propagandists, in fact the situation there is not easy for the russian troops, and they have not yet found the method, the solution, let's say, that could ensure they neutralize the threat to the left bank on the left bank of the kherson region, and the left bank of the kherson region and may be the key to the successful development of events in the 24th year, we have already talked about the fact that the main task for russia in the 24th year will be the stabilization of the front, its transfer to a positional format for the rooster. and and to simultaneously achieve success in donbas, i.e. to occupy the donetsk-luhansk region as much as possible in order to reach the 25th year, when trump comes, it is possible to have such arguments on the table at the negotiations, the ukrainian

side of ukraine has absolutely opposite interests from ukraine, this is to achieve success in south and prevent the breakthrough of the front in donbas, so it is true that the front will freeze, i think that the front is only starting its, its, its new warm-up, let's say so, and we will see a lot more active steps, from both sides, i think, sir mykhailo, when we talk about the front, we understand that one way or another, it is related to how our partners perceive our actions, and after that, of course, they have to somehow adjust their strategy, form some long-term approaches there , there were two visits this week by the secretary of defense of the united states, the minister of defense of germany, he visited kyiv, then there was an online meeting in the ramstein format, and what are your assessments, uh, are there any trends that were optimistic, and things , which were alarming, what would you conclude in

view of these visits and these large- scale events? well, germany continues to please, that is, the german minister of defense, who arrived in ukraine, he really showed interest in the implementation of further projects with ukraine, and such long-term ones, because his statements, for example, about four irist systems, are obviously meant, after all not immediate delivery of these systems, we know that they are actually produced from wheels and sent to ukraine, because they were not in stock and are not, this all new systems, and obviously, these are statements about actual aid in the first half of the 24th year, as well as statements about the ammunition project, the same million ammunition from the european union, and germany is, of course , one of the main players in this project, and it is obvious that the minister defense of germany with his personal visit, he demonstrated that

germany will continue to work on the implementation of these projects of these areas of cooperation with ukraine, as for the minister of the united states, also his visit is very , very important from the point of view of signals, symbols that against the background of turbulence in congress, against the background of the discussion that the decision on aid to ukraine may be postponed to next year, and it is not known how the political schedules will be made, the minister of defense demonstrated, the secretary of defense of the united states demonstrated that the biden administration , she firmly stands on the positions of continued support, will do everything possible to ensure that ukraine is not left without assistance in the 24th year, these are very important such signals and symbols, just at the end of the year, which demonstrate that we are entering the 24th year, not as russia would like, and it is obvious that

in the last month, for example, in the information space of the west, there were a lot of such, let's say, theses were spread that everything , it is necessary to freeze the situation, it is necessary to stop the aid, especially since the united states and europe are in a kind of fluctuation, the visits of these two ministers, the key ones of the united states, germany demonstrate that both europe and the united states continue to advocate unconditional aid to ukraine, this i think the most important such political signal, from a practical point of view, at ramstein all these issues were already discussed on a practical level, it is very important that the minister of defense of ukraine stated in the results that those, all directions of cooperation, they are moving into a long-term format, coalitions are being created, their now five in different directions, was created precisely on this ramshtan, it is a coalition of pppo and pro, its leaders are germany, just like

france, which volunteered to lead a coalition of 20 countries, for quick decisions for the winter, in order to dramatically strengthen the ukrainian system ppo, i of course, these are long-term projects, the same quality, new nasams systems will also be produced, of course, missiles for them, and patriots as well, because in fact there are no warehouses for new systems either. mr. mykhailo, when we talk about this air defense coalition , it seems that this topic was discussed earlier, it was said that ukraine should ensure the creation of an integrated air defense system there, you told our viewers about this in some detail, that this new coalition adds to those previous initiatives, which may be changes, which are qualitative changes can be for ukraine, by what means it can be solved, i think that here , of course, we are talking about such an organizational, organizational improvement, that is , this is a cluster in which countries that will

work for the interests of, let's say yes, to focus on anti-aircraft and anti-missile defense, they will be able to do it in an organized manner, there are leaders in germany and france who will lead it and will, of course, coordinate these efforts, i think, if we talk about the specifics, then maybe the ideas regarding the so-called leasing will be implemented, i.e. the transfer of temporary systems for temporary use, that is, to strengthen, for example, the defense of ukraine for the winter period, simply by transferring the same systems to sams or patriot or other short -range systems for temporary use, would be very, very effective, i think, and of course, the direction , if we talk about an integrated system, then we constantly use concepts such as unit, battery, division, precisely from missile complexes, but we forget about an element such as radars, that is, radars by themselves and

can, that is, they can act, separately , let's say, components, and these radars will provide full coverage of the ukrainian territory with further, of course , the transmission of information for targeting the means of destruction, but this does not mean that we should focus only on the radar, which are integrally integrated or organic parts of the complex, of course it is possible to place other radars that have, for example, a specification for small objects, small targets, of course we are talking about shaheds, about other drones, they can have different ranges, for example, there is a short tactical range of 40 km, and you can also place long-range radars, which will really create an airspace integrated into the system. when targeting will also arrive at anti-aircraft missile systems, and if we are talking about the soon arrival of f-16s, f-16s piloted by 16s,

and the control system, i mean, the global system within the framework of the state, the armed forces, the use of these aviation platforms , should receive additional information, which of course can come from these additional radars, so i think this coalition can address these issues, and we know that and the french have very good, long-range, excellent radars for targeting, and the germans and other countries, and the netherlands, so i think that this coalition should really get busy, on the one hand , with the rapid strengthening of the ppo system in the winter period, and on the other hand, really go to the creation of the integrated pppo system. and when we talk about such different coalitions, do we mean that somewhere a window of opportunity will open for some joint defense-industrial projects, because here in particular. there was an address there by the president on american television fox to american companies, that we are ready

to develop joint ventures there, there is an appeal or a general framework document from the big seven, where the development of defense cooperation projects is envisaged there. how can ukraine take advantage of this window of opportunity, what is needed for this, what are the prospects? well, i think that the format of the first defense-industrial forum was quite successful, now on december 6-7, this edition or variant, version of this format will be held in the united states, that is, that is... there will be a joint ukrainian-american a defense-industrial forum in which representatives of ukraine and the top military-political leadership, representatives of the defense industry and american companies will take part, at which exactly this direction will be discussed, which you mentioned, that is, joint projects, of course, that direct suppliers will also be discussed for the rapid strengthening of the armed forces of ukraine

, the defense forces, but on the other hand, there will obviously be joint projects, perhaps they will first discuss: for example, maintenance, supply, and repair projects those samples of american weapons that will be transferred, but the next steps can , of course, be with the involvement of ukrainian capabilities, especially since ukraine is now, i am sure, one of the leaders, well, for example, in the production of drones, of various, various functionality, range, directions, and so on, the reb system is now very actively developing in ukraine, i am not sure that, for example, our western... partners even have such experience in using countermeasures against western reb systems, so this experience is invaluable, i think, and it can be used in joint projects. the same automated control systems, here ukraine also has a unique experience of using their application at the tactical operational level, so i think that precisely in such formats, and

the american defense-industrial forum, i think that it would be expedient to hold such defense- industrial forum why not create such a forum with the european defense agency, invite representatives of the military and political leadership of eu countries and defense companies, all the more, ukraine is now working on bringing it closer to the european union by integration, i think it would be appropriate from any point of view, both from a political and an integration point of view, and of course from a defense-industrial point of view, including for the implementation of joint projects, but here is such a nuance, that actually european and american industry continues to live in market conditions , yes, that is, there are no such rigid frameworks, everything should be done quickly, because market mechanisms, they look like democratic mechanisms, how, relatively speaking, to speed up these processes and how ukraine should stimulate such things to solve the tasks that ukraine needs, well, maybe we need to announce tenders in separate directions,

where we can then somehow draw our partners to some kind of, well, normal competitive conditions for the bmp, there about the air defense systems, in order to remove the residual the format of discussions, which in one way or another are equally present in view of our peculiarities, well indeed, european, for example, the european defense-industry, it generally lived in its own kind of ephemeral world, several things were implemented there, for example parallel competitive projects, where the french competed with the british, although they are not members of the eu, but of course they actively participate in european defense. on industrial activity, or there the italians competed with the netherlands and so on, this was until february 24 and it continued for some time, but literally this week the european union adopted 22 new priorities in the defense sector, there is the defense-industrial sphere and there, in principle, there is already adaptation to modern conditions, there is an orientation of joint projects that are not

competitive with each other within the framework of the european union and are freely and of course aimed at urgent matters. needs and here in relation to marketability, when big money appears, well, for example, there is a pool of countries that are currently implementing a munitions project, of course, when several tens of billions of euros are allocated there, of course business also goes there, and therefore defense-industrial , therefore, in fact, to the extent of consolidation of the efforts of the european, european countries, regarding investments in specific projects, i mean european projects, business will also move there, defense and industrial companies will be effectively used, these projects will be implemented, although, on the other hand, of course, ukraine's role here should be more active, why i say, this format of forums, it is doing well showed, but of course i support you that after the forums concrete movements and concrete decisions are needed on the part of ukraine, perhaps

the ministry of defense should take the lead here, which... should somehow orient european and american manufacturers with regard to the urgent needs that have to be implemented, although in principle it probably is, because urgent needs , they are understandable, even if they are not announced within the framework of ramstein, they are implemented, as for joint projects, the ministry of defense should really be here to say what is needed for the armed forces forces, and of course, the ministry of strategic industry should work more actively with our partners, because in fact the ministry of strategic industry should be a kind of driver of this process, because the ministry of defense can announce what they need, but engage just establishing contacts, establishing some kind of industrial contacts, of course the ministry of defense will not be involved in this, it is not the functional department, the minister

of technology and industry, should be involved in this, i hope that through these forums, it is possible that such a format will gradually be created, when more actively involved western manufacturers to the implementation of projects so urgent for the armed forces of ukraine, you mentioned the first forum that was held there, it seems a month: two ago, and there were two initiatives that looked so ambitious, this is primarily the creation a certain financial direction that these projects should provide, the creation of some private conditions for foreign companies , attractive conditions for entering the ukrainian market, are there any advances in this direction, if you are aware of them, if not, what should really happen so attractive for foreign... companies in ukraine to choose, in particular, between poland and ukraine. poland, as it has its own money, has safer conditions for the development of ukraine, which does not have

its own funds for such areas, and all the risks for those enterprises that may be created in ukraine. how to create attractiveness for the ukrainian market? i think that the attractiveness of the ukrainian market is determined by the fact that there is a much larger volume, the volume of this market. than the same poland, that is, we need much more ammunition , armored vehicles, anti-aircraft missile systems, and new solutions implemented by our western partners, that is, in principle, the attractiveness of the ukrainian market can be even higher than in poland, because here, for example, if within the framework of ramstein some country declares to produce, upon request of ukraine, the ministry of defense of ukraine of a certain type of weaponry, then the government of the country to which the company belongs can pay for this type of weaponry, that is, ukraine does not even have to allocate funds, that is, now these coalitions,

they conclude that, unlike in peacetime , when, for example, ukraine needs, if ukraine wants to participate in a project with the european defense agency on anti-aircraft missile systems, okay, that's fine, but you pay for your participation, allocate some technologies, or allocate funds and so on, from now on the situation is a little different, that is, even under the condition that ukraine , indeed, we currently have a rather powerful defense budget, ukraine, for example, emphasizes unmanned systems, obviously, a lot of money is allocated, but at the same time within the framework ramstein, in fact, the government of the country to which some specific companies that manufacture irst us or something else can respond to the requests of the ministry of defense of ukraine. because of this, and because of this, there is a ukrainian market, that is, it is actually a ukrainian market, but it is financed

other countries, and this has a special attraction, of course, this is a unique situation , it cannot continue for a long time, and this is the same challenge that we talked about in the first part, that aid, this higher aid, i mean , at the military-political level, when it is defined, it allows these projects to be launched, as soon as this aid is stopped, of course, ukraine itself will have to solve the issue of financing, attracting defense-industrial companies, creating the attractive conditions you are talking about , now so far these attractive conditions, they are so uniquely created by that, that configuration and that attitude towards ukraine, which was formed among our partners, such trust is complete, and the allocation of, well, virtually unlimited money, that is, the finances that are allocated now, it is very large money that was unimaginable even there three years ago, now it stands out, and this situation, of course, it requires a lot of

responsibility from us, including the fight against corruption, because if corruption is noticed in this system, there will be looting money, what the western press sometimes starts to talk about, then of course this atmosphere will be disturbed and these unique conditions will immediately exist. destroyed mr. mykhailo, thank you very much for these important points related to the directions of development of military-technical cooperation with western partners. thank you for your time, thank you for finding the opportunity to join us, i would like to remind our viewers that mykhailo samus, head of the analytical organization new geopolitics research network, is on the air. and then we will talk about how american companies perceive ukrainian ones the market, what are the problems, what are the prospects, but about this after... advertising information pause. every day, every hour, every minute we receive a large amount of information. the most anticipated event of the year, which is actually happening on

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