neprovosinov will be with us to find out about this in 15 minutes, but now it's time to remember with a moment of silence all those who died in this russian-ukrainian war. let's observe a moment of silence in memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia.

a minute of silence was observed for all the defenders and civilians who died in the russian-ukrainian war, which is still ongoing, and besides, today is the day of remembrance of the victims of the holodomor, and today a candle of memory will be lit in their own. ukrainians care about the windows the historian and people's deputy volodymyr vietrovych is in touch with us, mr. volodymyr, glory to ukraine, heroes, glory, mr. volodymyr, i still remember that time when i had to sit in front of the tv and clench my fists, i really wanted to, i wanted to to drive by the certain delusions of ukrainian politicians who said there was no such thing as a holodomor, all the people of bandera came up with it.

are we already in a country in which all citizens, regardless of their iq level or region of residence, are aware of the act of not one, but repeated genocide? well, in fact, sociological surveys show enormous, in fact, changes in the perception of the famine by ukrainians, changes that took place over 20 or more years of systematic work, yes, at first they did not know about the famine at all or did not say anything, at times, when they already knew about the famine, on unfortunately, some theses of russian propaganda were repeated, that it was not an artificial voice, that it was not only in ukraine, an all-union tragedy, and so on, and so on, but thanks to the system of work of three factors, scientists, the public and the fact that finally, the state joined the promotion of this topic with its resources, we now have a result of 92. ukrainians consider

the holodomor genocide, in my opinion, this is an example of such a beautiful consensus, social consensus around a really difficult topic of our past, and it inspires, shows that in reality we can reach an understanding even around those topics that were tried to be presented as those that seem to divide us, according to the latest sociology, this year's sociology, 4% of ukrainians do not know, or hesitate, whether there was head of organocide, four categorically deny it, so these four who categorically deny it, i believe that this figure is absolutely not critical, you see, somewhere at the level of almost a statistical error, and, unfortunately, in every society there will always be some percentage of marginal people with very original, fringe views, like that the earth is flat and not round, and so i think that 92 percent is a very good figure, which says, after all, that

the famine theme is one of those themes that which unites all of us ukrainians. mr. volodymyr, it is very difficult to research the topic of the holodomor, so far there are not always disputes, but the question of the real number of victims of the holodomor, it is so difficult to count, it is difficult to record, and not only because it was a long time ago, but because the russians very effectively destroyed then any what evidence, people who could testify. according to now we do not have a final number, this number, which is called , is voiced, it ranges from 3.5 to 7, probably millions, it can still be revised, according to which in a few years we may have new data, today we actually have a repetition of the second, not the second, regular act of genocide, and in particular it also concerns the possibility of depriving ukrainians of food, the same grain in the south, in the east of our country, and

today these acts are a little easier to record, what would you advise now to act by those who are responsible for this, for this whole fixation, how to act, how to work. so that in the future those who are guilty can be brought to justice, and so that the memory of today's tragedy is not erased, so that it does not happen that we need a long time, so that people again recognized and knew about the holodomor, about the tragedy, well, first of all, there really is a lot in common between russia's current policy and what it did in the 1930s, genocide - it is one and the same, precisely because russia sets itself the the goal of exterminating ukrainians as a national community, then the cheapest, most effective weapon was used as a weapon, which is hunger, i have no doubt that if russia could, and now in its genocidal policy against ukrainians , it would use hunger to kill millions again ukrainians, others to turn into russians, but

the key difference between then and now can be defined in three letters, the armed forces of ukraine, the zsu, the presence of the ukrainian state, the presence of the ukrainian. does not give russia the opportunity to repeat the use of hunger as a weapon of mass destruction, so we are not now in a qualitatively different situation, just as this qualitatively different situation, which is reflected in the presence of the state, gives us the opportunity to really record all these crimes, and they are recorded, and recorded by those ukrainian law enforcement agencies and recorded international organizations working in ukraine, we are talking about legal fixation, we should be talking about fixation from the point of view of history, from the point of view of culture, we have the opportunity now to organize a whole infrastructure of memory about, the victims of the current russian-ukrainian war, none of this happened 90 years ago, and the memory of the holodomor was preserved not thanks to the then

state of the soviet union, in contrast to it, the memory of the holodomor was preserved thanks to the fact that a part of ukrainians, in particular as a result of the second world war, found herself as far as this soviet state is concerned, these are the people who after the second world war ended up somewhere in europe, in america, and having survived the holodomor, they became the keepers and bearers of the memory of the holodobir, it was they in the 50s and 60s , the 70s, especially the 80s, began to tell, first to themselves, and then to the world , about the holodomor, and already from there at the end of the 80s, this memory returned to ukraine and those people came to ukraine who also began to remember about what happened, and this started the process... returning the memory of the holodomor to the minds of ukrainians, and now gradually and in the consciousness of the world, we are talking about the international recognition of the holodomor and here we also have huge developments recently, 34 countries recognized the holodomor as genocide, and 17 of them are those that recognized

the holodomor as genocide already after the start of a full-scale invasion, why is this important ? because it shows that russia's current crimes provide an opportunity to better understand those crimes it has committed in the past. and vice versa, the crimes committed by russia in the past, including the holodomor, explain the reasons and nature of the current war. sir volodyme, but look at how interesting they behave, the first thing that a moscovidite does when he enters any occupied territory, he tries to erase and destroy the traces of his crimes. this was the case both before and after the second world war, we remember in 1944 what they did on the ukrainian lands, by the way , they also organized that. one famine, and now the situation is the same, they, for example, in the south, where many died of hunger from the famine, they are demolishing, as kherson and i spoke today, they are demolishing monuments to the victims of the famine, so the tales about

muscovites do not realize the scale of their crimes - this is a lie, they all know very well what they are doing, how they are doing it, they are all for the war, they are all for putin, most of them want more than putin, and since you have brains, this is the case, this is the case no, the point here is not only that they do not hide the traces of their crimes, destroying the memory of the holodomor, they understand that this memory of the holodomor makes us strong, because the memory of the holodomor mobilizes ukrainians, because the memory of the holodomor is what we reminds us what can happen if we lose our state again, that we can again be doomed to kill millions of people by starvation, and this really mobilizes us, and that is why russia is trying to do everything so that, well, this memory does not exist. russia has been very actively working on this since 1991. colossal resources poured into the world, into ukraine , into ukrainian politicians, the ukrainian media, which justified the absence

of a famine, either the artificial nature of the famine, or some of its ukrainian uniqueness, and in this it even achieved certain successes, i let me remind you that there was a period already in independent ukraine, when in 2010-14 the president of ukraine, viktor yanukovych, openly and publicly declared at the international platform in parye that the holodomor cannot be called genocide. there was a period when the minister of education dmytro tabachnyk declared that all rubbish about the holodomor should be thrown out of textbooks , i quote literally, there was a period when the ukrainian court of national remembrance was headed by the communist soldatenko, and one of the key goals of this institution was to prove that the holodomor was not was a genocide, all this broke down only in 2014 year actually thanks to the revolution of dignity, which stopped our slide into the soviet past, and i actually remember these conversations on soldatenko on tv, that is, in front of you is such an ugly stalinist who lies, and at the same time

smiles a little at you, because you understand that you you understand that he is lying, but the dragonflies don't smell, there will still be an order from moscow, so what to do with such propagandists, pseudo-historians, they still remain and are there, thank god, they are not heard now, but in any why expose them, you know what, what you really should not do is not to present it as an alternative point of view , well, everyone has the right, you see, we have academic freedom, this is not pro-academic freedom, we are talking about specific propaganda, russian propaganda in ukraine, and i am convinced that this is exactly what it should be called, and not actually wrap it in some papers of academic freedom, as unfortunately some of my colleagues do, being afraid to call things by their names, mr. volodymyr, what should an information campaign look like today, generally such a long, large, what would it be

directed not only to the tustin of ukraine, where the memory of the holodomor was always stronger , i am talking about the west, but also to the south and east, which are currently under occupation, where there is almost no access to information, but we remember that after victory, it will be necessary to work there not only on the surface'. material, not only on the reconstruction of infrastructure, but also on the reconstruction of national memory, on the reconstruction of returning, reintegrating this entire population, returning to them what was taken from them, what was tried to be erased from them during the occupation russians? a very good word, you used it, to return to them what the russians are trying to erase, so i absolutely agree with it, and i categorically disagree with another thesis that periodically sounds from some politicians, that the policy of national memory towards those regions should be

something special, because people there will not accept what is being done now on the territory of vilnius by the russians, i categorically do not agree with this, i am convinced that the entire humanitarian policy, including the policy of national memory, should be unified, should be precisely aimed at crime detection and modern russia, and communist, russia of the past, communist russia, the only difference between what is being done now in the territory free from the russians and in the territory that will be liberated. from the russians, this is obviously the amount of resources that we will, er, be forced to throw at spreading this information, i am convinced that in the liberated territories , more resources will be needed, including financial ones, because we will have to restore libraries, we have to will restore museums, we will have to train teachers who will go there, for us, the main resource that we will need there is obviously a personnel resource, so we need to train those people who will be ready... to go there in order to work, in order to strengthen and return ukrainianness there, and here

the speech on the part of the state should go not only on some ideological mobilization, although it is also extremely important, but also on the creation of some special social conditions for those people who will be ready to take on such a role, uh, and in conclusion, mr. volodymyr, these crimes against humanity, such as genocide, the holodomor, it is very difficult to prove legally, and we understand that when... these courts are held , there is such a drag, there for every letter to prove the intentionality of the intentions of the destruction itself, even lawyers say that it is terribly difficult, especially since the international the law is broken, international institutions are powerless, which shows the un and everything else, is there any point in spending efforts on the future, this is to prove in a legal sense, whether it is better to work the way we worked with individual parliaments, countries, and so on, i think you need one and the other, and just what some

the shift now takes place in the context of the political recognition of the holodomor as genocide, is an example of the fact that , paradoxically, the current war, russia's current attempts to commit genocide allowed, gave the opportunity to many countries, in the end, to look at the events that took place in 32-3 in a different way , because before that, apparently it was difficult for them to perceive that this great russian culture, as they consider it, is capable of some kind of terrible crimes, the current events that are happening. it's just in front of their eyes, it is obvious that changed their minds and allowed them to have a slightly different attitude to what was happening in 32-3 years. if we are talking about the legal component, then of course these are complex processes, long processes, but i am sure that we should do everything that depends on us in order to give an equally legal assessment of what happened in the past, in ukraine in principle it happened, in ukraine there was

an investigation into the fact of the holodomor, which was recognized as genocide in court, and i am equally sure that we should deploy similar work, regarding current crimes in the russian federation. do you think that what is being done at the state level, at the level of local administrations, to honor the memory of the victims of the famine is enough to spread this information and keep it. do you need anything else, any more steps? it seems to me that, perhaps, as a historian, as someone who cares about the topic of the national monument, it seems to me that it is possible and worth more, er, and just once again, as a people's deputy, i see er, well, that the resources allocated by the state on, in particular, questions the policy of national memory is clearly not enough, if in the issues of the holodomor , we can see that there are some serious shifts in the positive age, in terms of its understanding, then in the issues of the second world war or

some other issues, the struggle of ukrainians for independence, there are still the work has not yet begun and it is urgently needed. because, well, history is also turning into one of the platforms of this war, and this is well understood in russia, where just a few weeks ago, by decree of president putin , a special institution was created that will deal with historical memory, as they say, again for propaganda and to promote their narratives both in russia, in ukraine, and in the world, and here the most important task facing the ukrainian state now is the promotion of ukrainian... of historical narratives in the world, this is actually, unfortunately, very bad , ukrainian history is not well known, and russia takes full advantage of this, and here is the latest recent scandal, a few months ago, right in the parliament of canada, a vivid example of how russia can effectively use ignorance of ukrainian history in the world. thank you, mr. volodymyr, volodymyr vyetrovych, people's deputy of ukraine

and historian was on our airwaves, i remind you, today at 4:00 p.m., please light your candles. memorial candles to honor all those who died during the famine. now we will still want to show what we are proud of, because we are celebrating 10 years since the revolution and until victory. espresso tv channel 10 years, november 24, it was actually yesterday, but it was 10 years ago, november 24, 2013. our presenters went live for the first time, a lot what has changed since then, of course, but what is called our common values, ours on the channel and yours as viewers, has remained unchanged. on november 25, 2013, a column

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's keep in touch with us, now mykhailo shamanov, the spokesman of the kyiv city military administration. mr. mykhailo, congratulations, glory to ukraine. yes, congratulations, heroes, glory. finally, the alarm in kyiv ended, it lasted for more than six hours, and we ask you to sum it up, because there was information about more than 50 shaheds shot down over kyiv region, then more than 60 were written, we know that a total of 75 were launched across ukraine, please let me know, let's let's start with the fact that this is already the fourth attack of enemy drones on kyiv this month, but according to the head of the kyiv city military administration , colonel general serhii. poko, this drone attack became the most massive since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, that is, in the capital, the alarm lasted, as you already said, for six

hours, and it is symbolic that the rashists, actually as descendants of the totalitarian soviet regime , carried out this attack on the day of remembrance of the victims of the holodomor , this is how they actually continue the genocide of ukraine and the ukrainian people. by according to preliminary data, the enemy once again used a barrage... they entered the capital from different directions, they constantly changed their course, changed the vector of movement , entered in numerous groups, in waves, and during the most massive air attack of the bpa on kyiv, the forces and means of air defense were hit by more than six dozens of air targets, but the final data on the type and number are made public by the air force. according to preliminary data , as a result of the shooting down of enemy drones , the fall of debris was recorded in various areas of the city, in solomyansk district as a result of a fall.

two victims, they have an acute reaction to stress, fortunately without hospitalization, that is, the doctors provided them with help immediately on the spot, also in this area, in a five-story building , there was a collapse on the second floor. two women were also locked up in the building , more precisely two women, the emergency services were there immediately, they were released almost immediately, and also in the solominsk district there was a fire on the territory of the kindergarten and at another location in non-residential premises on an area of ​​approximately 100 km. in the dnipro district of the city ulankiv fell on the upper floors of a high-rise building, there was smoke, in the holoshiv district, debris fell on an area of ​​green spaces, fortunately without casualties, and in pechersk also recorded a fall of an ulankiv on an undeveloped

area, also previously... but can you talk about just if more than 200 houses are without power, this information was just a couple of minutes ago, about high-voltage lines, was it accidental, or was it a deliberate attack, and has it already been restored power supply to the center, well, i didn't hear about 200 according to the ministry of energy, as a result of the drone attack in kyiv , 77 residential buildings and 120 institutions were left without light, that is, restoration work is currently underway. there are partly preventive power outages, that is, the energy authorities turned off the lights in advance just in case, yes, and there is a fall in the links and damage to the power lines themselves, but we are currently updating and correcting the information, be sure to read our telegram channel, there will be all the final data , we have another one to thank the soldiers with the means of anti-aircraft defense, and i will remind you once again

that you should always be in such a position during an air raid, you must protect yourself and your loved ones. mr. mikhail, have you already analyzed the situation, do you have a vision of, uh, where were you aiming, were there any specific goals, or was it such a general attack on anything? well , it is difficult to analyze, but one way or another, we perfectly understand that kyiv remains one of the priority and main goals of the russian federation, and accordingly, thanks to the forces and means of anti-aircraft defense, we ended up, well, we never found out what they wanted to hit, but the targets remain the same, i mean, as they have repeatedly stated on their propaganda channels, that they will try to hit infrastructure facilities, they , in order to leave the ukrainians without heat and light in the winter, they will try to attack the forces and means of air defense, i.e. western

models, well, accordingly, their main task is actually to scare the ukrainians, to sow panic among the ukrainians, and, but you see, in the end, thanks to the work of the armed forces of ukraine, in particular the air defense forces, they are not able to do this, we have fresh footage, and photos from kyiv, we are just showing it to our viewers, and for that, in conclusion, i actually wanted to join the to your thanks to the forces air defense, it was a combined attack by different groups of drones, yes , on, well, how do you feel, how ready are we for a combined attack, because the enemy on the community has a large number of missiles, and so far has not used them, well, it will be possible

expected, because we all perfectly understand that winter is upon us, and one way or another the enemy will attack the capital in general, all of ukraine with drones and missiles, we actually prepared for this the whole previous year, so we will hope that whatever -what kind of attack should we repulse, but i say again, the latest , for example, the latest information, everyone... saw clearly the palestinian attack on israel, and any air defense system does not give a hundred percent guarantee of the security of cities and territories in general , so i will remind you once again that necessarily, because ukrainians are now the main wealth of our country, that is, in any case, during the announcement of the air.