[000:00:00;00] but we do not see the released bakhmut, about whom in particular it was said at the time that it was, something went wrong, some special operations, or was it such a thing, maybe it was not a bluff, but it was necessary to make some kind of loud statement and hope that it would either be lucky and so it will happen, or everyone will forget, well, you know, well, such a calculation, like mine, well, it’s not like zelenskyi , yes, so to speak, just hoping, eh, maybe it will work out there now, yes, something will work out there, there, it’s like in casino, yes bet... it's nothing and there 's hope that everything will work out, maybe well, i also remember these messages from mr. zaluzhny that we will have great news there , if i can still understand about zaluzhny the landing on the left bank, then in principle it fits into the announced concept that we have there will be achievements that landed, panlenskyi also said that the cities will be liberated, maybe we are assuming, he was promised by the officers who are there, as one people's deputy, mr. roman

kostenko, said. that there is an army of mercenaries, and there is an army of syrskyi, maybe i guess, this is only my guess, mr. syrskyi promised in the office the president, that everything will be done soon, there will be a result, we will release him, and zelsky clearly relayed what he was told , but you see, well, no, this did not happen, and the russians are tightening their forces even more, that is, i am asking your viewers, please, calm down take it, that's how it is there, well, they want to give us hope with certain news, but the russians don't sleep either, but over there... the military is preparing some unpleasant surprises for the russians, but the russians are also preparing unpleasant surprises for us and often disrupt our plans too, how normal is it that there are two armies in one country, c one warring country, well, there is such a phrase, yes, there is such a reasoning that one of the generals, he is closer to the office of the president, he uses there, well, not what is more respectful, maybe more appropriate, yes, but

with another commander, with mr. zaluzhi. well, this is not a secret, yes, there are some, there is a certain media confrontation, yes, somewhere there, zaluzhnyi leaves an interview, is not liked in the president's office, and on the contrary , mr. zaluzhnyi is accused of political ambitions, that is, unfortunately, there is such and such a confrontation, well, a lot it's good that it's not on the knives in the literal sense, i'd like it to remain as much as possible, it's only at the level of competition, who will give the best result with the least number of losses, that would be true, but so that this conflict does not worsen by no means, uh, i wanted to distract you a little from the analysis of the course of the war, so that you remember your experience as an employee of the security service of ukraine, yes, and in this case, i have several questions that will surely be interesting for our viewers, the latest that the

security service told us, i think our journalists more will be told in the next... news releases, but i just passed through rivne, i saw that the city is growing, blooming, many cottages are being built, i didn't even think that some of them were built by the deputy of the regional council, vitaly mykolavych sukhovych, that's who was taken red-handed, they found millions there, moreover, in different currencies, bullion, expensive cars, whole cottage towns for him, and here it is interesting, because it turns out that he was in the electoral district number three from the political party strength and honor, which is the party of the former head of the security service of ukraine . well, we remember that the mind is honor and the conscience of our era, dima gardon will not save for someone else except for a laugh. and here is such a person, this beautiful man, a multi-millionaire, who was taken red-handed today by the security service

of ukraine. so i have a question for you. is this a real fight against corruption, because we have already confused so many things going on around us, so look, well, let's sort it out, okay, strength and honor okay, well, they are also targeting people's deputies, people's deputies, it would have seemed five years ago to detain a people's deput, that's the same what kind of information, how much for the past week, two people's deputies, they burned down, someone tried to give a bribe there, another was detained, servant of the people, pro-government party, dubinsky, but here it is interesting, because it is still the party of the head of the security service of ukraine, and there are such things here, well, let's do it, okay, he was the head, until 2004, it seems that he was the chairman for a year and a half, that is, it was almost 20 years ago, wait, mr. mr. smishko, no one accuses him of anything, he was not taken, i just said it for reference, well, look, i will explain , well, it is forming, look, in any party

there are such people who are detained for bribes, there even at... the party, let's go, okay, let's go, well, i went down this path, my work experience is in the kyiv regional council, i was a deputy of the kyiv regional council and the head of the deputy was arrested for bribes of 10,000 dollars. commission at one time, the head of the eco-environmental commission for issuing a permit for subsoil use to the freedom party, so although they are always there in embroidered shirts, well, here is the question, how so, he already part of it, by the way, this is a detail, and at that time he received part of the bribe previously, and he had already gone to egypt, when it was possible, and he was very much waiting for the second tranche to be given, because his loans were on fire there, he worked so quietly, that is , there are different deputies from different forces, there are, unfortunately, there is such an expression in russian, yes there there is no mess in the family, well, in any party in the homeland, there is in yes, someone is detained, various people try to bend the higher sabers, the sabers of power, yes, in order to get certain advantages, you focused on

partisanship , but in fact, as they say, the family is not without corners, that is, it is in everyone the party may be, i wanted to ask you about the fact itself, i mean that there are very... resonant news, they resonate with the comments that lie in our european integration, that is, to strengthen anti-corruption bodies, their independence and struggle with corruption, and i asked you not so much about the party membership as about myself , let me know, i am looking, they just took odarchenko, the servant of the people, the party reacted quickly, expelled him, but nothing, who found themselves by chance, because yes everyone has one in their bedside table 15 million hryvnias and that's it, he got out under...' then, yes, they took serhiy kopustyr, he happened to have a bag of 100 million hryvnias, and he got out on bail, he also offered bribes, and

now with the same ones, the whole state a goldfinch, yes, nothing, fine, he also got bail, although he was taken on bitcoins, which he offered to the head of the state agency for the restoration of mustafa's lease, for some reason everything worked out, so i ask her, it's a game, i'll explain. is this an anti-corruption game or a real fight? no, look, look, i'll explain what yours is to the audience and you, so that it is clear how the process takes place, and they detain a person if he is detained on the basis of an article , for example, i don’t know, giving a bribe, obtaining an illegal benefit, yes, or there, as chigal was detained there, which was not detained red-handed him, and there specifically for the embezzlement of budget funds, yes, there are 20 and kopecks of hryvnias, not 60 million, i apologize, it seems that he embezzled 62, how is the process going? they detain, raise suspicion there, yes, the person is sent to court and to choose a preventive measure, if this is there are some about bribery, yes, there is an alternative, either in sizzo or money

table, you leave, but the case is investigated, that is, you are simply physically free, yes, certain restrictions are imposed on you, you surrender your grand passports, hangs on leg electronic bracelet for monitoring, is summoned for questioning to the investigator, the case is then investigated in order to schedule a court session and consider it already on the merits, that is, it is a parallel process, if the case concerns, for example , treason, sabotage, and espionage, then there is usually no alternative at all, but the sbu arrested the icebreaker, brought him to the judge, the judge looks at him, according to regulatory documents, according to the law, the only option is in sizo, alternatives, even there there is no bail of a billion hryvnias at all, and he is immediately sent to sizo , and it passes. sizo, everything else, there is an alternative, either sizo or money. ugh. thank you, mr. ivan, for the analysis, for being with us, ivan stupak, military expert and former employee of the security service of ukraine on the air of the tv channel, now we are going to a short pause and then we will continue the analysis,

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a meeting with our president volodymyr zelenskyi, and we understand that some such, personal contacts , meetings can give a good result, your forecasts, we will be able to agree on something, maybe switzerland will share something military with us in the future, unfortunately, the president of the swiss confederation - this is not exactly a position that allows you to count on any breakthroughs in this matter, so ... i think that we just need to change our logic of behavior, our modus operandi, we should not wait something from the arrival of our high-ranking guests, whether they are friendly to us, neutral or even skeptical, we need to change within the country, you understand, without changes within the country, without creating exclusively: if

we will create a shell for guests, then it will not do anything good will lead, they are not stupider than us and know, in fact, i think , the situation in ukraine and many other things well enough, well, well, that is , we will not count on anything from switzerland except cheese and watches, especially the position. there is quite specific minimum powers, but in this case, as adolf hitler said, a good country where you can keep money, but from this point of view for russians, switzerland has always been a place for such an external storage bank. the swiss can join reconstruction programs with russian funds. we understand that there may be such a situation that they will say to pay the contribution, but they will not, then could switzerland allocate russian funds for the reconstruction of ukraine? mr. roman, remind

me how many russian funds have already been transferred, i only remember what the americans promised us. transfer several million confiscated to such an odious orthodox oligarch malafeev, however, to the united states, i do not recall any other cases, this is until the fact that if we do not have a transparent sanctions policy, if we do not have a clear sanctions instrument, if we will not work effectively with sanctions in order to coordinate them with our western partners if we do not have a clear understanding of how we will direct certain funds to the development of our state, to its restoration and reconstruction, and the needs are huge,

let me remind you, huge, hundreds of billions of dollars or euros, as you like, then we have nothing to talk about here at all. there is simply nothing to talk about, you understand, because there was a precedent after the second world war, when there was a nuremberg trial and a tokyo trial, in accordance with which a decision was made to confiscate funds from nazi germany and imperialist japan, and what about us now today there are sober reasons to speak that russia will suffer such a defeat that we can share it with our other partners, russian gold and currency reserves and the money lying in the west, and why did we decide that the west will give these funds, it does not want to use them for its own economy

, they have already lost their economic intelligence, no, this is a rhetorical question, it’s just that in the statement about the blockade of these funds there was a lot of... frozen, but there really is no transfer, that’s why we asked you, because it’s clear, okay , let's leave switzerland, i would she also asked, if we are already talking about negotiations, communication, so personal , it is not always appropriate and sometimes you have to deal with something else, then there is another issue, poland, ukraine, the border and the blockade of borders, so medica is a step away too, in question, and the farmer money. yes, or in this case, because we understand that when the tusk government comes , in a month or so before christmas, the issues should be resolved, but this month we have to somehow live for those people on the border, after all

, some transportation needs to be carried out, or here it is not appropriate to engage in any negotiations, any appeals, specific contacts, i have a question for you, mr. yevgeny, with whom kyiv should communicate directly in order to... speed up the resolution of this situation, wait, ms. oksano, why you decided that when the tusk government comes, this issue will be resolved quickly, and i did not decide this, mr. yevgeny, but many experts, in particular polish, female journalists, polish experts on our airwaves, actually declare that in poland, in certain circles and political and not only so, they say that tusk will come and decide exactly this issue, that they leave it to him, that is, tusk will come, he will bring order , absolutely yes, it looks like this, let's hope that at least it will be like that, well, let's try to model the situation as, well, that is talk about her frankly. first of all, this situation is another link in such

a peculiar, undeclared confrontation between poland and ukraine, it has different levels, it has different... manifestations, and i will ask a rhetorical question, 40 days have already passed since the parliamentary elections in poland, and grain, grain the question was removed from the agenda, well , transit seems to be going, no, well, transit is going, it was removed on the polish market, you are asking us, no, i just know the answer to this question, so? i also ask a rhetorical question today. next, why do we think that donald tusk's government has a solution to the issue of ukraine's transit. cargo will be the only thing they want to solve, that is, it is not about the fact that it will be the only issue, but

this issue 100% must be resolved, because this case is uncomfortable not only for us, it is , first of all, outside the legislative field, the european commission has already warned, and i will ask you now from the other side, from the other side then, since all ukrainians are already feeling the price of all this, autogas is disappearing, gasoline is more expensive. that is, the losses have already been calculated at 400 million euros, which is almost half a billion dollars, these are direct losses from the blockade. and let's look at this blockade with political and military eyes, who is doing it, only one association, who will decide the most from it, rafal mekler, who is rafal mekler, a local who represents the party, the confederation of freedom,

the party that does not love. is in the black body in this party, this party is managed by krzysztof , and yesterday he participated in the future conference on the future of polish-ukrainian relations, and by the way, he is not just anything, but the deputy of the new composition of the diet from the confederation, because everyone, but from the pro-russian party confederation. i am talking about the fact that for me, for example, it is obvious that russian interests and russian agents of influence are behind this action, but when we in the ukrainian information field will talk about it to our polish partners, then we will not always receive understanding, we will not always receive support, we will not always receive warm, high-quality, kind words on this topic.

i believe that in this context the ukrainian special services should work, and they should report to our polish partners, our desire to understand whether the russian special services are behind this process, because it is very interesting, in fact, i completely understand why the government moravetsy, well, this is no longer a lame duck, it is already a plucked duck and, in fact, it is already a duck in the oven, frankly speaking, and we i think we will see it soon enough, but this government will not solve problems by improving the life of tusk's government, or not tusk's, well, its successors, it doesn't matter who will become, that is, pisro... that they go to the opposition, there is an internal political logic in this,

and i will say that the russian puppeteers of this process, they calculated it all very well, there is such a thing as reflexive management, and we follow this thing, because we have more and more anti-polish sentiments accumulating in ukraine, right, we have our citizens enough... a significant number extrapolates the attitude towards a few dozen citizens of poland to all poles, we have such an item in za , and why do you, why do you think that people extrapolate to ordinary poles, who have sheltered millions of ukrainians and help me it seems that everything is very clear here, on the contrary, when it became known that the same rafal mekler from the same confederation, this uncle, who always made a fortune by circumventing sanctions in... russia and belarus, and other associations of carriers did not go with him block ukrainian border. there are clear, clear

puppets here, and these puppets were anti-ukrainian both before the war and before the invasion and now. that is, you want to say that the average ukrainian is clear, then run a survey, how many people in your audience know who rafal mekler is? well, everyone, we just told them who didn't know. well. these are those who are watching our broadcast , in fact, everything is a bit more complicated, and this, i am absolutely serious in saying that this event is aimed at undermining polish-ukrainian relations, this is not the first event that is aimed at undermining polish-ukrainian relations, and this event , unfortunately, will most likely not be the last, so we need to understand... and we need to convey this information not to the ukrainian media, but to

the polish media, to convey it there, to polish territory to talk about it. tell and appeal to polish society, talk about the fact that ukraine is currently at war, and the problems that currently exist are acute enough for ukraine, and that this is in the interests of russia, in poland there are very strong anti-russian moods, strong and that's a fact , but we don't use them to our advantage ...' the confederation scored a meager result in the parliamentary elections, much less than it was expected, and this shows that there are healthy trends in polish society, and we we need to talk about it, we need to report it, but on the territory of poland, not in ukraine, in ukraine, when we talk about it, we are agitating communists for soviet

power, we have to actively participate in the polish association the territory of poland and talk about it and remind about it and to emphasize this and not only to say how bad mekler is, it should be clarified by the polish special services, we should talk about the fact that polish-ukrainian cooperation should withstand such things, and we should find an understanding, and the right to protest should not be there. .. lead to human deaths. ugh, and there are already two of them, mr. yevgeny, we have literally one and a half minutes left, and i want to briefly ask about these negotiations, to which we seem to be inclined. when the slovaks talked about it, you could smile, but when it hurt, a yellow, but still quite read and respectable german publication writes that biden and

scholz have some concept to incline kyiv to negotiations, should we tense up now? we return to what we started our conversation with, we must not stress and focus our stress on internal transformations, act and work inside ukraine and demonstrate unity here so that our various western partners are not tempted to we could be tilted, dodged or tilted, you know, because when such exists temptation, then accordingly they will use it, and when after the publication of the bilt mr. rahamiy comes out and talks about the fact that we in istanbul would have almost come to an agreement, then you know, to put it mildly, a very

short-sighted step, in my opinion, i would say too short-sighted literally in one sentence you were also shocked by the interview given by the supreme arachamiy of the servant of the people natasha mosiychuk, so you, you too are shocked, or we misunderstood you, i think that there are political expediencies, there are political improprieties , and there are public ones arahamia's performances, well, of course, anyone who wants to can google it, if you like cringe in industrial doses, then this is it... this interview can be found on youtube, we want to thank you, mr. yevgeny, for the analysis of the current situation , yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of world politics was with us, but we know that after the news our viewers are waiting for a film about the holodomor, and after the news they will be waiting for a film about the holodomor, because we remind you that today is the day of remembrance for the victims of all the artificially created russian holodomors in ukraine during xx

century, and we see the continuation in the south of ukraine directly... now in the performance of the new russian ones. on this, roman and i say goodbye to you, for today you have a peaceful and safe evening, do not ignore the alarm signals , take care of yourself, we will see you tomorrow . in the studio of iryna koval. greetings to all viewers. and we start with the situation in kyiv. capital with light. electricity supply was restored after the night attack of the shaheds. repair crews immediately went to the scene of the accident and as much as possible