the states ambassador, you are welcome. michael brotski, the ambassador of israel to ukraine, you're welcome. martin harris, the united kingdom ambassador to ukraine, and i'm happy to invite arseny yatsinuk, the chairman of the ku security forum and former prime minister of ukraine. thank you. it is important to me that we remember the victims of the famine as individuals, as children, women and men, whose lives were cut short at the beginning or in the middle of their journey, prematurely, and each of them had their own goals, their own life trajectories we will never know.

of course, it is important to remember the holodomor as an act directed against ukraine, against ukrainian culture, against the traditional ukrainian way of life, which was largely destroyed, we must remember the ruthlessness of the steps, the ruthlessness of the policies, directed against the people who lived in the soviet in ukraine, alms were taken away from peasants in the cities , the ban on residents of soviet ukraine to leave for other soviet republics, seizure of livestock, grain, blacklists, measures that deliberately led to the death of millions of people, who should not have died. the issue of the holodomor is also important because it stood at the origins of a certain system, it stood at the origins of the stalinist system.

namely, the famine, the murder, the starvation of millions of people in soviet ukraine, this is the first and main lie of stalinism, the lie that it was necessary allegedly for some greater good, and this lie becomes the basis for lying, and the lie became politics as as such, it becomes the main one, from the point of view that the suffering... of some had to somehow become good for all, and therefore that any suffering can somehow be justified, that the individual person doesn't matter , no matter how many of those people, how it relates to the events of today, how the events of the 30s help us understand the war of 2020 , i think in a few aspects, first of all, looking back, i am impressed that the russian state spent so much... effort

over the last 20 years trying to deny the historicity, the reality of the holodomor, again, looking back, it shows that death from hunger, or cold, hunger as a weapon was very common in official consciousness of the russian federation, and in this sense it is not surprising that hunger was used as a weapon in this war, or to put it bluntly, the direct denial of the famine was in fact a preparation for its use as a weapon, and of course food was used as a weapon in ukraine, the destruction of the dam in a new tile, mining the territory of ukraine, raids from other european countries, deliberate destruction of ports, ships, grain fields, all this in order to put pressure on ukrainians, but since ukraine is an exporter of food all over the world. there is another aspect, president

putin is trying to demonstrate his control over ukraine, and so he announces to the leaders of african and asian countries that he is now the master of food, that he now has power over hunger, that he will decide who lives and who dies, which of course is a very direct echo of the 1930s years and stalin's policies. and another connection is that just as soviet policy was based on confidence in the future, putin's policy is based on confidence in the past. he is sure that ukraine did not exist, does not exist, and will never exist cannot, therefore everything that is done against ukrainians must be justified. just like stalin, the stalinists were convinced that there is one certain future, one certain communism , a certain soviet union, and therefore everything that was done in ukraine was somehow justified, i think that all these events are related to

each other, but of course memory transcends politics, memory has its own special place, and i am very glad to be able to share. professor schneider talks about the main messages sent by putin to ukraine and the world, the main signals that there is no ukraine, no ukrainians, they do not exist, and by saying this, he continues the policy of stalin, 10 years ago, ukraine proved. that ukraine is and ukrainians are, that ukraine is a people, freedom and dignity, i want to invite arseniy yatsenyuk, who was one of the leaders of the revolution of dignity, who will share

his visions, and the 90th anniversary of the holodomor, as well as the anniversary of our fateful events in ukraine , orange and revolution of dignity. thank you, thank you all, today we see a clear proof that your presence is here, that you share our pain, understand us, and you you support ukraine in our fight against russian aggression, not with rhetoric, but with practical actions, so i am very grateful to you for your support, you remember. putin's criminals just said that putin says that ukraine does not exist, the problem is that this is not only rhetoric, he also supports this rhetoric with his actions, he is a follower of stalin and, he

implements the entire policy of stalin's empire, he wants to destroy ukraine , as a state and ukrainians as a people. therefore, it definitely corresponds to the legally defined genocide, the 1948 convention includes five types of genocide, and every act, even, every action, even the last, no, no, illegal, illegal, deportation of children. all these five types of actions clearly show that russia has already committed all these types of genocide against ukraine. i want to pay tribute to the millions of ukrainians who died, who gave

their lives, including those who died during the bolshevik famine, those who were killed, those who fought in mardan 10 years ago for our freedom and our dignity. let's look at the story. that's the point. history clearly shows that the russian empire, and bolshevik russia, and soviet russia the union, and putin's russia, they all have a single goal, to destroy ukraine and restore something that resembles the axis of evil. they are not alone in this world, the axis of evil is growing, it includes iran , north korea, russia, terrorist organizations like hamas, and i wonder how

this could even happen in the world, these brutal, horrible things, the difference, the sea, the holocaust, what russia did in mariupol, in irpen, in buch, and how, why, the honorable, international legal and political system is so stupid that they did not warn of this, now we see, and that we must and can bring those to justice. who is to blame for this, we must do it, otherwise evil will return again and again, as ms. matviychuk said, and will expand and strengthen, we need the expansion of the democracy of the free world, not the axis of evil, and this struggle

is happening right now in ukraine, the struggle for civil rights and dignity is at the same time a struggle... for humanity and for all humanity, the whole world is watching how this righteous war of ukrainians will end and the only end of the war should be the victory of the free world, humanity, dignity and freedom, and for this we must naturally improve international law, starting from the international criminal court to other institutions under the auspices of the united nations organization, which must be effective, as it may have happened that one of the members of the... council security of the un, which should protect the basic, fundamental

principles of the un charter, resorted to such aggression, and this expansion is also connected with the need to expand such organizations as nato and the european union, because this is also the way to victory. things, i believe that democracy will win, you represent the free world and so do we, we have closed our ranks and if we have done that there is no power that can defeat us we will win thank you thank you i think you will agree that what is especially important to us is that we have gathered in this holodomor genocide museum, this is a special place, i want to thank the museum and its team for bringing

the truth about the holodomor to the world, i want to wish them to continue these efforts, and to get a new premises for the museum, i am sure , that this will happen, we will expand ours opportunities, i think that the ukrainian government will support, this is because what we are fighting for, we are fighting for our identity, originality , for our language, for our freedom, for our memory, and here in the museum of the genocide, we feel at the center the fortress of memory, and i would like to ask you, mr. ambassadors, underlining... underline the first part of our discussion, to give your signal, your message

to ukraine, to the free world, regarding our unity and our future victory, because i think that ukrainians have no doubt that we we will win, i ask you, mr. ambassador, to share your thoughts, what you can say to ukrainians on the day of dignity and freedom. thank you, first of all, i want to congratulate ukrainians on this very important day. two years ago, ukraine suffered a brutal attack from russia, and during all this time, ukrainians have shown the ability to defend their country. and to demonstrate how important democracy,

dignity, freedom and independence are to them, from this point of view we are very similar, israel and ukraine, because we also paid a very high price for our independence, and we continue to pay this high price, defending our country, just like today, so i wish ukraine, the ukrainian people, strength, endurance, stability and success in protecting their way of life, their democracy and their freedom. please! mr. ambassador, i am glad that you also mentioned orange. in this context, 19 years ago, i remember, i could have been a young

diplomat, i was the deputy ambassador of great britain in kyiv working, it was very impressive for me to witness the orange revolution, and you see how in 17 days on in the terrible cold, ukrainians defended their independence and democracy, and what i understood there is that ukraine is a nation , a people, a proud, strong people, i worked before that. including with the countries of russia and ukraine, i gave advice to our prime minister, and i saw that putin was making a catastrophic mistake, that ukraine would win, and likewise, i came to the same conclusion during the orange revolution, when i watched it, i remember from the orange

revolution, this slogan is together we are many, we cannot be overcome, i think this is very important today also, since we are together, and russia is weak, because it is alone, ukraine is strong, because it is united by its partners, and there are many of us together, thank you again, i think, today. also, on this solemn day, we remember the famine, but also the tenth anniversary of the revolution of dignity. i can recall from my own experience, both outside ukraine and when i worked in ukraine on ukrainian issues, that 10 years ago i worked to support the actions of our

administration after the revolution of dignity. i can say that for the united states and for those of us who have chosen a profession for ourselves, to promote our values, to share with them, we know that for us, this is what the value and value of freedom means to us, it is embedded in our dna, and i know that during the last, more than... 10 years in ukraine , i consider it a great honor to represent my government, as well as my people, my congress, to represent the strong bipartisan support of ukraine in america, because the struggle for freedom - this is also our struggle,

as our defense minister said, what is happening is not just about... of ukraine and as we have seen from the past, as we have seen from what is happening even today, all this affects all of us, this is a very important answer to your question, for ukraine to win, well, i am very proud that, as my president said that this was the first visit to kyiv in the last 15 years, the visit of the president. biden in february, and then he said very clearly and frankly: kyiv stands strong, kyiv stands free, and we stand with ukraine. thank you. thank you bridget. you are absolutely right, it is in our dna, it is true. arseny, words to you. as the ambassador said that

the american people know the price of freedom, same thing. concerns the british people, they know the price of freedom during the second world war, the same applies to the people of israel , they know the freedom of the country in the fight against the terrorist hamas, the same applies to the ukrainian people, decades ago we started the fight against the russian invasion, it was not like that brutal invasion, but during the orange revolution, russia tried to rig the election. and you appoint your president, that is, the struggle for freedom never it doesn't end, we have to be in very strong shape to win this fight and there should be no room for any fatigue, you know, there are various rumors that

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the ambassador on special assignment of the ministry of foreign affairs has also joined us. affairs of ukraine, agent of ukraine, ambassador anton korenevych. please, anton, please, we will continue, please sit down, we will continue, in fact, this main topic, the cross-cutting topic of our meeting today, is the parallel between the genocide of ukrainians, the genocide of ukraine in 32-33 years and the genocidal war. that russia is waging against ukraine today, this is such a large complex background of our memory and our reality. i would like to to begin our conversation with a question to ms. lesi. on the one hand, it is honorable, but it is certainly very difficult to be the head of such a special institution for national memory as the national museum.

of the genocide, ms. lesya, in your opinion, in order to explain it to ukraine, to ukrainian society, although i think that many things are obvious and clear, why today , during the war, the ukrainian state should have as its sacred duty to spread the truth about the famine and protect this memory, your word. thank you, er, for the rights of the hostess, first of all i want to thank all of you, er, dear guests, who are participating in this event today , in the security forum, for our small museum, it is a great honor to host this event and i want to thank arseniy petrovych, for choosing his own place and for the chosen topic, for that we, so that we have another platform, to remember the 90th anniversary of the genocide, the state

is a form of organization of the political community, which is a nation. it is thanks to the presence of the state that every ethnic group, or not every ethnic group, but only the one that has the potential, becomes a nation. her nation will create a common territory, language, awareness of one's identity, spiritual, cultural and political values, historical memory and, well, history. er, the history of the holodomor, actually the events of several years, when the state was destroyed, when the state was occupied, when the elite of that time was destroyed , that is, the ukrainian intelligentsia and the ukrainian church, and when the basis of the economic power of a potential ukrainian state was broken and destroyed, this is our most terrible

lesson, a difficult lesson that happens, shows what happens to a people who just don't have their state and which does not have its own strong army, therefore this history, actually, answering your question, mr. danylo, precisely because of this , the history of the holodomor, should be a table book of every ukrainian politician, and especially every politician who considers himself a statesman, precisely in this has a special relevance of the famine museum today and it is ukraine and the world honoring the victims of the famine, today is the 90th anniversary of the terrible man-made tragedy of the stalinist famine regime of 1932-33, which took the lives of at least 4 million ukrainians. artificially the created famine has become the greatest tragedy in

our entire history. come on with a moment of silence, we honor the dead. let's honor the memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia with a moment of silence. russian