ukrainians. the deliberately created famine became the greatest tragedy in our entire history. let's observe a moment of silence to honor the dead. let's honor the memory of ukrainian soldiers and peaceful citizens of ukraine who died in the war started by russia with a moment of silence. russian.

information product and before the russian information war, in which we all lived and worked all these 30, two years of independence, returning to what is on the agenda today, which is the need to complete the museum and in general the need for the museum as such in the war, i want to for the first time it is my turn to thank the president of ukraine viktor yushchenko, thanks to whose team we have this hall of memory, we have the first line open, and i want to thank everyone who, to a greater or lesser extent, participated in the restoration of the project, construction of the second line, respectively the completion of the entire memorial complex, and i want to say, in addition to a large

number of schoolchildren, students, small tour groups, this is when families come to the museum, when friends come, we have a lot of military personnel, this includes military personnel, these are military personnel, students of military universities, and these are even military personnel undergoing rehabilitation in various medical institutions in kyiv, and uh, we have a lot of words, well , gratitude, uh, words that are feedback about the importance of the work of the museum, and therefore , in conclusion, there is no other way out for the state than to support the museum, and actually, how to support research and support all the commemorative history and practice that is connected with the history of crime, genocide, thank you very much, thank you very much, ms. leso, this and there is a sense

of the ukrainian state, this is the essence of the idea that we embody, to ensure the life of our people for decades, centuries, for many centuries to come, and that is why we have to protect, and it is the duty of every ukrainian statesman to realize that this is exactly what is being done to protect this fortress, the fortress in our memory, very much: thank you, ms. lesya, for emphasizing this and for continuing this difficult work so skillfully. thank you. thank you on behalf of the museum team. thank you. it is a special honor for me to invite mr. anton drobovich to speak. my friend, and at the same time a person whom i sincerely admire, because anton is a warrior. anton is a military serviceman who defends our country with a weapon in his hands.

anton, it's a great honor to host you today, to invite you today, that you're with us today, in one of your interviews, you said an interesting phrase that stuck out to me, that in fact, the russians chose history as the reason for this war, or is our historical memory is a weapon against the anti-human cynical. total war, which has been waged against us for 100 years, and russia is actually waging more against us. your word. undoubtedly, our memory and the strength of our memory and a healthy brain become a weapon in this war, and everyone who sees that we resist russian propaganda, russian informational aggression, and this applies to aggression in absolutely different planes, from television, dissemination of information, judges.

international and ending with the battlefield, this is a place where memory and good taste are decisive for victory, by the way, these are exactly the things that churchill spoke about in his time, which became the main idea of ​​boris johnson's book about the churchill factor. it's a simple thing to remember that there is what is good and what is evil, to remember what certain people have done to you, or to remember what people can do if you give in to evil. therefore, it is obvious that national memory is a part of national security, national memory and common sense in this memory, not exclusively relying on some, you know, some phantom, glorious moments that we were beautiful, beautiful in all moments of our lives and forget about the challenges, threats, murders, wars that started against us in the past, if only to make such a memory, to choose only this from her, then obviously we would be weak. i think one of the reasons

why we didn't give up, uh, why we fought back and why we took over the whole world, with that bravery was our memory, because we remember. how will another defeat in the war with russia end, that's why it's obvious, and that's why i would also like to thank arseniy petrovych, yatsenyuk and the kyiv security forum for including the topic, this topic, in such a meaningful field these days, the kyiv security forum, because this topic is related to security, this the topic is related to national security and it is very not accidental, so i thank you for this wise decision, and also in this context i would like to thank the collective... the museum of this, because in the early days of the war, the vast majority, not all, but the vast majority of employees of this museum remained to preserve their museum, they knew that this museum would become one of the points of attack of the russian aggressors, and i would like

to thank all those people who knew that this museum needed to be protected, not somewhere under the polish border, but were here guarded storage, materials. data, this is a big, big job, this is a lot of courage, just as in kherson museum workers saved collections from the russians, they often tried at the cost of their lives, so i would like to thank the team, that part of the team that protected this museum, because it is one from those goals, and we see that the russians, who put up lenins , destroy our monuments, burn our books, they aim at such things, and this museum is one such element of this snoring. stability of the ukrainian nation, and finally, i would like, i would like many different parallels bring with the beginning of this century, but today we are talking with you, in the decade, the day of dignity and freedom, this is the decade from the beginning of the revolution of dignity, the day of dignity and

freedom, and the holodomor is a very important historical lesson, when we lost, lost the ukrainian people. .. the republic in 17-21, in fact a part of our people, millions of our people, for the sake of a piece of bread from the bolsheviks and moscow, gave up their freedom and dignity, they gave up their freedom at first, becoming part of the soviet project, and very soon, when they were forced cook your own children and eat them, lost their dignity, these are the most terrible things that the famine brought us, the loss of human dignity, a large part of... people lost it, were forced to lose it under these genocidal actions of the soviet totalitarian regime, so if you lose dignity and freedom, exchange it for a piece of bread, be sure that first you will lose your freedom, then your dignity, and finally your life, so

it is very important for us to remember this and protect the ukrainian republic, which is now standing guard, not only of humanitarian law, international security and part reputation countries that have promised us security in the exchange of our nuclear weapons, we also stand simply for our lives, so this war is fundamental for us, and therefore we must win it. anton, thank you very much, anton drobovich said a very important thing, about what a terrible role hunger plays for the human being, first spiritual, national hunger, then physical hunger, i have no doubt that this was the intention stalin, and today is the plan of his successors in the form of the putin regime and the whole

gang of these criminals, hunger provokes fear, it destroys, it destroys human nature, human self. but there is something about it that has a further radiation effect, which is not only with the person who is experiencing hunger, but with all his descendants. and these descendants feel the fear of complicity in the reason why a famine was created against their own people. these descendants refuse language, refuse memory, refuse identity, they are running away from what they are running away from what was the cause of the terrible experience of their own people. and that was exactly it. the goal of moscow,

to destroy here not only the resistance that was there, hundreds of peasants' demonstrations against, in collectivization and against the efforts of the stalinist regime, but later it was broken precisely, precisely by the genocide, which was intended to sow eternal, like eternal permafrost, terrible, terrible fear among ukrainians, they failed to do so. they failed precisely because the truth was preserved and the memory was preserved, and today, why we are holding this event in the museum of the holodomor, we, the kyiv security forum, took this initiative in order to appeal to the ukrainian authorities, to the ukrainian, to ukrainian society about how important is the matter of protecting national memory, the matter of protecting... the language, the matter of protecting our national faith in victory,

this means that recently the commissioner for the ukrainian language and the protection of the state language held a particularly important event, a special seminar on the state of implementation of the law on language, and we can see that despite many important results, there is great... anxiety in the country about how we will continue to protect these sanctities, in fact, ourselves, our true face. i think, that the topic of language policy, the topic of information policy, the topic of memory policy, it deserves the highest state attention, including the structure responsible for the security of our state, the beginning of the nation. by this i mean the national security and defense council, that is why the kyiv security

forum paid special attention to it, because it is a matter of security and at the same time not just security, it is an existential matter, it is a matter of the existential choice of the life of our people, that is why on the day dignity and freedom , it is so important for us to hold an event dedicated to the 90th anniversary of the famine genocide. the activity of ukrainian diplomats has a special place in these efforts, which is especially valuable and dear to me, because they are my colleagues. and that is why i am so glad that ambassador anton korenevych is with us today, who represents the interests of ukraine at the international court in the hague, the international court of the un. you are running a very difficult business. currently, the process of bringing russia into the process of accusing russia of violating the convention on the prevention of the crime of genocide and its punishment is underway in the hague. you

know that, by the way, it is an interesting fact that the holodomor was recognized as genocide by 30-30 countries of the world, and it is such a symbolic coincidence that 32 countries supported ukraine and made their interventions, i am not sure if the list is the same, but nevertheless, 32 countries made their interventions in support of the ukrainian position regarding accusing russia of violating the convention, this is the first step, this step aims to prove the lies of russia , because lies are their essence, lies are their basis, lies are the meaning of both russian politics, and their history and culture, this the meaning of their politics. memory, a lie, an eternal, permanent lie, and today the first

response of ukraine is that ukraine, together with other states of the world, is trying and, i believe, will be able to prove the lies of russia, the lies of russia, the lies of the russian leadership. anton, what parallel do you see between the genocide of 32-33 years and the modern genocidal war of russia against ukraine. your word. good afternoon, dear colleagues, thank you very much danyla, i can definitely evaluate and will evaluate all these things from the point of view of international law, as an international lawyer. and the main thing for me always to look at the root cause, in particular the legal one, and certainly, i hope that many of those present in this hall, or those who watch us online, are already familiar with the work of raphael lemkin, soviet genocide in ukraine, sovietje in ukraine, and a person , who spent a lot of time associated with

ukraine, in particular with lviv, the person who actually introduced this term, this definition of genocide from two words from different languages, genus and sidere, she undoubtedly believed that the actions that the russian empire carried out, then the russian empire in its new guise, the soviet union, and in particular in in the 1930s, it was definitely genocide, and lemkin as a man who exterminated this crime in order to show that the horrors that the nazis committed against the jews in europe in... , and that is why it was necessary to invent this new category of international crime, he undoubtedly believed that what the soviet authorities did to the ukrainian people, of course, is also genocide, i think that the fact that this discussion is taking place today is really a day dignity and freedom and what

soon we will also talk about this already terrible date of 90 years of the genocide holodomor . this is also important in the sense that in december of this year, on december 9, we will have the 75th anniversary of the genocide convention that you mentioned, and in december of this year we will have the 75th anniversary of the universal declaration of human rights, and in both in these cases, ukraine, in particular lviv, both in the figures of raphael lemkin and louison, gave the world these indisputable foundations for our existence from the point of view of modern international law, and if we add herschel utterpacht to this, then from his the concept of crimes against humanity that was born in zhovkva, so we see that this land has given this world to the international community a lot of important things, and those

elements that we stand on today, and so i think that if we look really in retrospect of what what was happening then, what is happening now, we will definitely see the parallels, and that the goal remains the same, right? for them we should not exist, for them any form of our national identity, understanding of ourselves, our roots, is evil, and this is what they themselves openly and openly spoke and continue to speak, yes? without us there is no empire, and i think it is very important to understand that without us they lose the meaning of existence and roots and everything else. anton spoke about the ukrainian people's republic, as well as the events of more than a hundred years ago, recently he spoke with a diplomat about the fact that precisely in the events of those more than a century ago, in particular , our international partners see our identity and the fact that we are a nation , that we

are a state, that we should have been then, that we were and that we are now, and therefore... it's crazy, this is restoring, not, not establishing our independence that we had in 1991, so when we talk about all these things, we understand that the goal is to destroy us as a state, to destroy us as a nation, to destroy us as a separate national group, and that is why it is definitely necessary to legally find answers to these questions and legally substantiate all these points, in the international court, ugaazi, indeed, we hope that soon we will be able to have a decision, at the jurisdictional stage of this dispute, we say about the fact that it is russian the federation slandered, manipulated, the concept of genocide, falsely accusing ukraine of committing this terrible crime against its people, and thus using it as

a pretext for its full-scale invasion. in this. it is very important to prove that such false and manipulative accusations are a violation of the convention, and this opens a very important track of course, so in general , prosecution for the violation of this treaty, which is fundamental to modern international law, there are few such important conventions, the genocide convention, which are part of the general customary modern international law, so definitely the fact that 32 states joined this case, yes, there were 33 of them, one intervention was not acceptable yet, but maybe it will be acceptable at the stage of consideration of the merits, speech says that not only ukraine, but also the international community , in particular these 32 states of the world, they are interested in the correct interpretation of the concept of genocide,

they are interested in the correct application of the convention on genocide, and one person cannot sit in front of the tv in moscow and say that someone there has been committing genocide for eight years, so we will go to war against them, this is a violation of this convention, so definitely this case is important and 32 interventions is an unprecedented case, never before the international court of the un had such a day as this september 20 year, when all these 32 interventions were read and listened to. at the same time, we must also remember that genocide is an international crime, the most serious among international crimes, so crime of the crimes, accordingly, if it is a crime, it should entail an individual criminal responsibility, and that is why it is very important, within the framework of all available criminal proceedings, to show the presence of this special intent, special genocidal intent, in particular within the framework

of national proceedings, and what is also very important, we already have verdicts on, under article 442 of the criminal code of ukraine regarding incitement to commit genocide , yes, that is, this is already a very important first step, we need to have the second, actually sentences already for genocide and we must also work together so that the international criminal court does not was limited to two arrest warrants against putin and leva bilova in connection with the alleged commission of a war crime, the illegal deportation of children, and issued more arrest warrants and not only for war crimes, but also for crimes against humanity, and for the crime of genocide as well, so these are all particles, a very big, very big plan of struggle. against the russian federation in the legal sphere, which you all can see today, and as we said in september, in gaza, in the international court, we believe that this is a russian war of

annihilation, war of annihilation of the state, for the destruction of the people, for the destruction of the nation, thanks to the armed forces of ukraine we are here today, we can speak here today, and we must do everything in order to have legal arguments, legal results. er, specific decisions of international courts that will record violations of international law by the russian federation, including the genocide convention, i think we are on the right track, i want to wish you success to your wonderful team, to all our diplomats who ensure this important historical case, and i believe, i believe that the truth will come true. and justice will be done, i remember the year 2003, i will share literally in the margins, this memory of our meeting, the year 2003, when, as a young diplomat

of our permanent representation at the un, i proposed the initiative of approving a document that would honor in 2003, 70, this, this is the 70th anniversary, the 70th anniversary of the holodomor, genocide. this idea was supported, first of all , by the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, anatoly zlenka. this idea was very actively supported by our then ambassador prion, permanent representative of ukraine to the un, ambassador valery kuchynskyi. this initiative was supported by many diplomats. and thus a statement appeared, a draft statement on honoring the memory of the victims. lodomor to the 70th anniversary, uh, this document was promulgated at the general assembly, it was supported and

became co-sponsors of this document by a lot of states, and there was one opponent, an enemy, who at that time pretended to be a secular lion, who pretended to i consider myself a liberal and such a diplomat, who plays games and writes stitches, it was not, not the unknown sergey lavrov, i remember a meeting with sergey lavrov, who, in response to our initiative, took the cigarette out of his mouth and said, and all this so-called worldly charm disappeared, and the usual grin of nothingness, a beastly grin appeared. the grin of a russian chauvinist, why are you doing this, why do you need this? it was always like that. to ukraine.

the answer to the question of the russian chauvinist was not without reason in 2004, when the ukrainian people stood up in the orange revolution. later, this answer was heard in the revolution of dignity. this answer sounds in the work of lesi hasidjak. this answer sounds in the work anton drobovich. him and in his battle, this answer sounds in the work of anton korenevich, all ukrainian soldiers, ukrainian historians, ukrainian diplomats who defend the meaning for which we live, this meaning consists in the most important thing: ukraine is alive and will live forever.

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