[000:00:00;00] with his pro-european, his pro-european vision, his pro-european positions, and in principle he understands europe very well from the inside, and he understands and knows ukraine very well, so i think that these relations of ours will still be based on a proper pro-european policy, obviously it will not be, as i have already said, that it is immediately ... unobstructed, uninterrupted, barrier-free, barrier-free movement of ukraine to europe and will be supported by poland, it will not happen, but nevertheless, the chances are much greater than it was with the right and in fairness, with the moravietsi government, which itself has problems with brussels, and they needed to fight that brussels themselves, not to mention dragging ukraine.

mr. andriy, in conclusion, because we know that you have to be released a little earlier , volodymyr zelenskyi and andrzej duda have developed such a warm friendly relationship, will he manage to build the same relationship with donald tusk, who is, well, in opposition to andrzej duda, you have do you mean zelensky with donald tusk or, zelensky, well , first of all, i think what is really needed here to build relations between, at the level between heads of government, that would be, mr. denys shmygel and donald tusk should build these relations, and the relations that have already been established between the presidents, volodymyrovsky duda, should be supported here, but i think that if these good relations are established between, between, sorry, donald tusk and schmigel, then i think that they will also be transformed into good

relations. between president zelski and duda, and i apologize, and donald tusk. thank you, it was andrii deschi, he is a diplomat, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the republic of poland in 2014-2022, well, we will continue our conversation with a report, and tell me, mr. vitaliy, you are talking about, the interview was written, how important are texts in the media today from the point of view real situation, because we can read anything, look at some. signals, analyze what he wrote, what sana said, or what bilt wrote, but war is a policy of specific actions, you understand, the city was liberated, we see it, we did not liberate it, we also see it, 75 shaheeds flew in, we saw them, shot them down, this is a reality , they were not shot down - another reality, to what extent do media forecasts and attempts to convey some kind of public signals matter in war, but seriously, well, we are not only talking about war,

we are talking not about diplomacy during the war, but it needs texts, program documents, needs certain analyses, certain messages, which then find support for the formation of public opinion, for example, with the dry remnants of this publication in zsan, as on to me, in a positive way, there can be a single passage about the fact that the more air force, the more ukrainians will return to ukraine, because it is safe in ukraine, here is a cassette reader who... well, let's say no, supports the increase in the number of migrants , who come to britain, perceives positively that yes, there is a cause and effect, there is a reason, we will give more means of counter-defense and more ukrainians will go back to ukraine, these are the only dry remnants of this publication, which are in favor of ukraine and on benefit of our victory in this war is different, it seems to me to be controversial in this publication, therefore it is

necessary. do interviews, you need to go to european meetings, you need to form public, public opinion in european countries, the position of voters, political parties that make political decisions in parliaments, in governments, representatives are based on this depends, that is, this is work that is also necessary , but when we read the main strategic statements of the president or the government or the top military leadership in western publications, and for us these are important statements, in first of all, for the ukrainian people, for the people who are fighting, who support the rear, and we read it in the retelling of western publications , this, in my opinion, is wrong communication, absolutely wrong, first of all there should be communication with one's own people , and then the broadcast of messages to the outside, and we have had the opposite for 21 months in a row, so absolutely, i do not remember any strategic text

from the bank for the last... six months, which would have been made for the ukrainian reader, viewer, for the ukrainian people, whatever built strong stoic communication with... his own people, and we constantly see some appeals to the western media, statements during meetings with foreigners who come to ukraine, statements of the president at various international platforms, which concern the internal ukrainian, mr. vitaly, but i think that in the president's office, and even president zelensky himself would say, i write down appeals to ukrainians every day. yes, every day, 21 months in a row. well, that's his job, to calm down, but it's not. communication is such a one-way monologue, right? and it's not strategic things, he voices, some summaries of the day, he puts some accents, as the position of the authorities, but this is not a strategic conversation about

the real essence, right? for me , i would like to read, see, or a play or a text by ogolensky, where he would talk about different scenarios, about a real analysis of the situation with mobilization. about the fact that we will run out of mobilization stock, what to do when we have an increase, financial assistance from the united states, the european union, whether there will be a sest budget, what are the positions of the ukrainian the budget will have to be cut, who will suffer from this, a serious conversation, strategic or at least, well, close to the strategic level, but actually speaking, this is what the president wanted from the top military and political leadership, and for now we... read, economist , or visan or other publications where important statements are made for the future of ukraine. thank you, thank you, vitaliy kulyk, director of the center for the study of civil society problems, was in touch with us, we are going for a short break,

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, the balance of autogas on the market of petroleum products of ukraine will change, and if it is not possible to redirect actually 80% of the volume of propane-butane that comes from poland. well, accordingly, times of scarcity await us, most likely, the structure of our consumption will change and the share of gasoline consumption will increase, and gasoline must also be taken, of course, there is a shortage will affect, i repeat once again, the price increase, and the price is included in the structure of the final cost of any product that is delivered, that is, prices will increase, as i understand it, in fact, absolutely precisely. in my opinion, we need to wait for an increase in the price of the actual consumer basket, because products, any other product, it is delivered, and the actual cost of logistics

is included in the final, cost of this product, in addition, we need to understand the whole scale of the problem from the point of view economy, eh, unfortunately in fact, now there is a trade blockade, and what is export and what is it, what are the funds for goods that go to export, this is currency, foreign currency receipts, if we look at the statistics, unfortunately, they are very sad, so i do not rule out that when , there will be no opportunity to maintain the appropriate exchange rate of the hryvnia, we will have inflation, followed by consumer inflation itself, with a certain inertia, in about one or two months, in general , i believe that such atrocities, which are taking place on the border of poland, which actually were it was created

by several people, this is the hand of the kremlin, this the kremlin campaign to put pressure on the national economy of ukraine, why, because few people know, but on november 7, 2023 , changes were made to the customs code in ukraine, in fact , this date also coincides with the start of the atrocities, these actions, which we are still observing, all this is done in order to paralyze the actual movement of goods from ukrainian producers to european markets and, accordingly, the flow of currency into the national system. mr. maxim, but if this is the hand of the kremlin, then this border crisis, this blockade, will it not be resolved?

but why? so, what is the situation there. permission to hold this action was granted by the commune, which is a body of local self-government in poland, and accordingly , the commune can also cancel this action, but unfortunately, as far as i know from the press, no one from the state authorities of the republic of poland made a corresponding request, and the polish police themselves... when asked by representatives of the state authorities of ukraine regarding the legality of this outrage, demonstrate their own permission of the territorial community, which legalized it, sanctioned such a discriminatory protest against our ukraine. and tell me why, in fact you think that the polish government officials could have stopped it. history, what would they like, they don't do it from an economic

point of view, first of all, what is the interest? i think from a political point of view, this is firstly, secondly, we need to understand that this is not only the border of poland, ukraine, it is the border of the european union of ukraine, and yet i hope that the european commission will react to these facts, but in fact we have no time. imagine that in these products of barely working, barely surviving enterprises from mykolaiv, zaporizhzhia, and dnipro stand in queues, and again, until the products from these enterprises reach the final consumer, our companies, ukrainian companies of various types of ownership, they do not receive funds, i will... funds for the sold products

, salaries and taxes will not be paid, this is a somewhat sad situation, regarding the economy, there is no economic issue there, why, because the big carriers in poland, they do not accept this promotion at all, again, as far as it is known from public sources, these are little-known people who have not distinguished themselves in the transportation market in poland, many do not know them, but again, the big carriers and polish business, which depends on the supply of these goods, unfortunately it is silent , so far it is silent, and time is passing, for example, as far as i know, some cargoes have been standing since october 26, that is, it has been almost a month.

ukraine has already suffered 400 million losses, if 400 million is eur, then millions of eur, if it is still will it last, how long, what can these losses still be, and if we intervene later , will their political situation improve in poland , will the government work normally, will there be any compensation for what we are losing, what our economy is losing? there will probably be compensation, but now the question is to unblock the border. of course, we expect that the prime minister, the future prime minister. of the minister of poland, tusk, er, will solve this issue quite quickly, in general, as far as i know, er, again, from the words of my acquaintances, colleagues from poland, to unblock the border is possible in just 15-30 minutes, but the question is that it is extremely important for us to unblock now, the compensation will be there

under any circumstances, but we must remember that there is a concept of multiplier in the economy, so... . today's irreparable losses, including import-dependent enterprises that are waiting for the entry of this or that product from the european union or through border crossing points with poland, are also dependent on this situation and bear losses, i.e. importers bear losses and exporters of ukraine and not only ukraine, but unfortunately, so far few of our business partners from the european union are talking about it. thank you, thank you mr. maksym, maksym bilyavskyi, energy market analyst, this is a difficult situation, to put it mildly, but we understood from the conversations with mr. andriy de that this all rests on this whole process of political reformatting of poland, and as a

result, signs are given on our, strategic, i would say economic interests, mykhailo yakubovych, orientalist, a researcher at the university of freiburg from germany, the day of the war in the middle east, the second day of the release of the hostages, what do you think, mr. mykhailo, can we now talk about the fact that this war is already crossing certain time regions, the rubicon, i apologize, maybe so, it is difficult to make some predictions, but obviously it will either slow down somewhere or continue, but at the moment even these negotiations are being tortured by both sides as a victory, a certain intermediate one, even i would say, the hamas side is more happy, they say, look, we forced israel to a truce, israel did not achieve its goals, did not capture all the gas, and even here we are conducting this exchange, and

today a plane arrived from qatar with a certain mission, which will ensure almost direct negotiations between israel and hamas, right here more so... the iranian factor is actively included through yemen and through hizballah, that is, the tension continues, but somewhere it turned into such a game of muscles, will there be a little relief or a new escalation, but it looks like there will be a new escalation , or even the exchange of prisoners and hostages, in in this case, because on one side there is a hostage and on the other a rare prisoner, it continues , well, enough about it, but already the second group did not pass accordingly, and now there is a suspicion that there may even be a disruption of this so-called truce, well, it reminds me, honestly in other words, the ukrainian ceasefires during the anti-terrorist operation, which broke down a few hours after,

after the start. how much longer can this war in israel last? i think at least until the time when israel achieves its goals, because stopping now is it to stop halfway, israel needs to completely clear the gas as a city, what will happen next with khan yunis is a question, but to leave everything as it is now and leave, or even to maintain some control, i think the relevant forces of the israeli entourage of netanyahu in that including, the israeli right, they will not support this, that is, yes, perhaps the operation will be even more protracted, perhaps there will be less bombing, they will work more as infantry, since the opposition is very strong to the bombing of gaza and to the military operation, including in the west, well, they are already trying to somehow slow it down due to various protests

, but for israel to stop now, well, this is absolutely unacceptable, especially the goals that were set, they were set to the maximum, complete destruction. hamas has complete control over gaza, and to stop now is essentially to lose the battle. and on the other hand, what could be the consequences of the continuation of the operation, the more its longevity for the relations of israel with the arab world, and for the relations of the united states with the arab muslim the world as well. the consequences can be problematic, but another factor is involved here, the thing is that there are a lot of forces, including those who participated in the arab spring, and the arab. mostly lost, including in egypt, where there were some active events, they are included in the support of palestine, and against the background of economic problems in the same jordan, in the same egypt, in the same: syria itself, the protest potential is growing to a certain extent, and the arab governments of the arab countries are afraid that if they

continue, well, they will keep quiet, but they are actually doing it there, limiting themselves to declarations on the israeli offensive, they will most likely, well , extremely strong internal protests will begin, and they too would like israel to stop it, but, well, or israel is already here, as they say. either win, or don’t even start, that is, somewhere in the middle, they will persuade, they will talk, they will pressure, for which, i repeat once again, the qatari side is now actively initiating these negotiations, while at the same time sheltering the leaders of hamas, but netanyahu will lose some level of support, it's just that how far are the united states and great britain ready to go, and they are ready to go in the israeli... able to go quite far this time, and what is happening in the world now with

the support of palestine or hamas, i don't know, usually you can't bet on the same line, we we see geert wilders, who is known for his anti-islamist statements, won in the netherlands, but we also see protests in defense, be it the palestinians, be it hamas, be it against israel. how is the world now reacting to these 50 days, has anything changed? there is a general complex issue here, it continues specifically, among the support of the leftists, especially some of the rightists, of palestine, well, it is clear mainly among the leftists, but interesting paradoxes can be observed, for example, the polish right-wing forces, which are actually anti-ukrainian in nature, which are now gaining weight, and we can see that you just had on the air about this is a conversation, yes, historically they were allegedly against israel

, yes, but even more so against arab countries, against migration, they come to power, saying that the european union wants to transfer all these evil arabs to them, all these muslim barbarians, as they mark them, and here i look at it in an extremely paradoxical way, they fit in for palestine, they say, look how it is possible to stop this war organized by israel, that is, we see such paradoxes that, on the one hand, a game begins on this topic, and this game is already went far beyond what they think about the lives of some palestinians. the same game is taking place in spain, for example, the catalan government, which can be considered to a certain extent separatist, there began to break some relations with israeli cities, and the level anti-semitism, or rather... anti-israel rhetoric, we will still separate these things , they have grown up in the world and it is also quite difficult

to do anything about them, the protests continue, but we see that economically and on various political elements, it does not affect , the ground is simply being prepared for, well, to more promote the ideas of such, you know, worldwide pacifism, switching to problems that, for example, distract attention from russian aggression, and will eventually distract from hamas aggression, that is, conditionally growing such pacifist rhetoric, which is taken beyond the limits of any historical logic, and now we see that people who, well, hardly can tell anything significant about the israeli-palestinian conflict or in general about the history of the middle east, actually often fit in for palestine, but this but this is how propaganda works, and even more so russian propaganda and chinese propaganda invest heavily, that is

, the trend is negative, but so far the level of support for israel by the united states, britain, germany, key allies israel, it still does not significantly affect, at least for, and please tell me, mr. mykhailo, there is no such danger from the fact that right now... these pro-khamas, pro-palestinian demonstrations are very often really the same thing, they are not will lead to the strengthening of the far-right in all of europe, because the ultra-right always said, look at these people, they are extremists, they come with completely different values, they will instill xenophobia and anti-semism in our europe, and we are not like that, we want just for europe to be european, to have european values, now wilders, he is actually in the netherlands. increased by 50% from polls, you could say, and i read interviews with his

voters in the dutch press, and they all tell us, open...opened the eyes on october 7, that is, the hamas attack on israel, i mean those people who voted for the freedom party for the first time and it seems to me that there may be such a delayed political effect for europe for a long time, i would say it is not even delayed, it is already taking place, let's see for example, on the resolution, mostly about the israeli resolutions in the un, who supported in eastern europe, viktor orban supported , viktor orban turned out to be very much a follower, an ally, and wilders has already repeatedly stated that orban for him is an example of the right leader, another question, though , how they live in hungary, how they live in the netherlands, two big differences, but no one considers it now, the same can be said about the russian special operation conducted at one time in dagestan, in order to show how

wild barbaric these muslims really are, who they can pose a threat, and even in germany itself, we see, even though the alternative for germany, well, somewhere, it tries to play this, you know, game here and there, because they can't, if, due to the historical trauma of germany, something say, against israel in principle, but on the other hand, it is difficult here with the palestinian issue, yes , they have this migrant rhetoric, it is present, and it is anti-migrant rhetoric, at least in those countries where elections will be held this year, obviously it will have an impact, and i say again, no without the help of the information activities of russia, even iran, even some leftists with their absolutely irresponsible statements will very well play the rightists, as so-called essentially useful idiots, who completely ignore the presence of two sides in the conflict, and speak essentially in support

of hamas, which they say hamas did not emerge out of nowhere, well...' the same could be said about idil in principle, it could be said about any organization that it did not arise just like that, but has a historical justification, another question is when it says historian, it’s different when a politician speaks, that’s why there really is such a trend, and next year, when there will be new elections in various european countries, they will show that this factor will persist, and most likely it will persist, because as i already voiced the forecasts for continuation of the war, after all, it is a longer conflict than it seemed. even at the beginning, but we look at european countries, at their education and say that it is better, but we see why we impose, say, our standards of the human body on eastern civilizations, so in the principle can be played with cannibalism somewhere, they say, but why do we deserve it, yes, it is also a tradition and not a bad one, so it is also a tradition, maybe it should be preserved, in general , it is a feature of certain peoples and their

cuisine, why should we europeans point them out? that is, it may look somewhat anecdotal, but if you read now, for example, about student protests in various universities, it is the same, well , closing absolutely all problems only with lgbt rights or climate change, they say, this is all not significant, the essence is climate change and everything else , and white wine itself person is absolutely proven, even when talking about ukrainians or their problems in the west and so on, attention is constantly focused on the fact that they are said to be in some privileged position because of their skin color, somewhere it is noticeably less, somewhere noticeably more, but even we see now any history of description or any attempt to contextualize the problems of east and west, it goes in this direction, we see