everyone, what would you conclude about these visits and these large- scale events? well, germany continues to please, that is, the minister of defense of germany, who arrived in ukraine, he really showed interest in the implementation of further projects with ukraine, and such long-term ones, because his statements, for example, about the four irist systems, obviously mean not the immediate delivery of these systems, we know that they are actually produced from wheels and shipped to ukraine, because they were not and are not in stock, this all new systems, and obviously these are statements of actual aid in the first half of '24, as well as statements of the munitions project, the same million munitions from the european union, and germany is of course one of the main players in this project, and it is obvious that the minister of defense of germany will demonstrate with his personal visit. that

germany will continue to work on the implementation of these projects, these, directions of cooperation with ukraine, which concerns the secretary of defense of the united states, as well as his visit very, very important from the point of view of signals, symbols, that against the background of turbulence in the congress, against the background of the discussion that the decision on aid to ukraine may be postponed to next year, and it is not known how the political schedules will be made, the minister of defense demonstrated, the secretary of defense of the united states demonstrated that the biden administration, it firmly stands on the positions of continuing to support ukraine and will do everything possible to ensure that ukraine is not left without assistance in the 24th year, these are very important signals, and symbols, just at the end of the year, which demonstrate that we are entering the 24th year, not as russia would like.

and it is also obvious that in the last month, for example, in the information space of the west, there were a lot of just such, let's say, theses were spread that everything should freeze the situation, aid should be stopped, especially since the united states and europe are in such a situation fluctuations, the visits of these two ministers of the key ministers of the united states, germany demonstrate that both europe and the united states continue speak. for unconditional aid to ukraine, i think this is the most important such political signal, from a practical point of view, at ramstein all these issues were already discussed on a practical level, it is very important that the minister of defense of ukraine stated as a result that those, all all directions of cooperation, they pass in a long-term format, coalitions are being created, there are now five of them in different directions, the last one was created just in this ramshtan, it is the pppo coalition. leaders and germany, just like

france, which volunteered to lead the coalition of 20 countries, for quick solutions, for the winter in order to dramatically strengthen the ukrainian pppo system, and of course, these are long-term projects, of the same quality, and new nasa systems will also be produced, of course, rockets for them, and patriots too, because in fact there are also no new systems in the warehouses, mr. mykhailo, when we talk about this air defense coalition, earlier... it was as if this topic was discussed, it was said that ukraine should ensure the creation of an integrated air defense system there, you detailed somehow they told our viewers about this, that this new coalition adds to those previous initiatives, what changes can there be, what qualitative changes can there be for ukraine, by what means can it be solved? i think that here, of course, we are talking about such an organizational , organizational improvement, that is, it is such a cluster in which... already the countries that will

work for their interests, let's say, focus on air and missile defense, will be able to do it in an organized manner , there are leaders of germany and france who will lead it and will, of course, coordinate these efforts, i think, if we talk about the specifics, it is possible that the ideas regarding the so-called leasing will be implemented, that is , the transfer of temporary systems for temporary use, well, that is, to strengthen, for example, the protection of ukraine for the winter. a period of simply transferring the same systems to sams or patriot or other short-range systems would be very, very effective , i think, and of course, the direction, if we are talking about an integrated system, then we constantly use such concepts as a unit , battery, division, namely anti-aircraft missile systems, but we forget about such an element as radars, that is, radars.

by themselves and can, that is, they can act separately, let's say, as components, and these radars will precisely provide full coverage of the ukrainian territory with the subsequent, of course, transmission of information for targeting the means of destruction, but this does not mean that we have to orient ourselves only on radars that are integrally integrated or organic parts of the complex, of course, you can place other radars that have, for example, a specification for small objects, small targets, of course we are talking about shaheds, about other drones, they can have different ranges, we are talking about, for example, tactical ones. a short 40 km, and you can place long-range radars, which are also in the airspace, and this will really create an integrated system, when targeting will also come to anti-aircraft missile complexes, and if we are talking about the soon arrival of f-16,

f-16, f16 pilots, and the control system, i mean, the global system within the framework of the state, the armed forces, the use of these... aviation platforms should receive additional information, which of course can come from these additional radars, so i think this coalition can solve these issues, and we know that the french also have very good, long-range and excellent radars for targeting, and the germans, and other countries, and the netherlands, so i think that this coalition should really deal with, on the one hand , the rapid strengthening of the ppo system for the winter period, and on the other hand, really go to the creation of the ppo and pro system. and when we talk about such different coalitions, do we mean that a window will open somewhere opportunities for some joint defense and industrial projects, because in particular there was an address by the president on the american fox television to american companies that we are ready to develop joint

ventures there, there is an address or a general framework document from the big seven, where development is envisaged there defense... cooperative projects, how can ukraine take advantage of this window of opportunity, what is needed for this, what are the prospects? well, i think that the format of the first defense-industrial forum was quite successful, now 6-7 december, this edition, or variant, version of this form will be held in the united states, that is, there will be a joint ukrainian-american defense-industrial forum, in which representatives will be taken. representatives of ukraine and the top military and political leadership and, of course, the defense industry and american companies , at which exactly this direction will be discussed, which you mentioned, that is, joint projects, of course, direct supplies for the rapid strengthening of the armed forces of ukraine will also be discussed, defense forces,

but on the other hand, there will obviously be joint projects, maybe discussed first, for example, maintenance, supply, and repair projects. er, those samples of american weapons that will be transferred, but the next steps can be , of course, with the involvement of ukrainian capabilities , especially since ukraine is now, i am sure, one of the leaders, well, for example, in the production of drones, of various, diverse functionality, range , directions and so on, the reb system is now very actively developing in ukraine, i am not sure that, for example, our western partners even have such experience of using, countering, western mamreba, so this experience is invaluable , i think, and it can be used in joint projects, the same automated control systems, here ukraine also has a unique experience of using their application tactically -operational levels, that is why i think

that the american defense-industrial forum is just in such formats, i think it would be appropriate to hold such a european defense-industrial forum, why not create such, well, not hold such forum with the european defense agency to invite representatives and military-political leadership of eu countries and defense companies, especially since ukraine is currently working on rapprochement and integration with the european union, i think it would be appropriate, from any point of view, both from a political and from integration and , of course, industrial defense, including for the implementation of joint projects, but there is such a nuance that european and american industry itself continues to live in market conditions, yes, that is, there are no such rigid framework, to do everything quickly, because market mechanisms, they look like democratic mechanisms, how to speed up these processes and how ukraine should stimulate such things to solve the tasks that ukraine needs, well, maybe we should announce tenders for separate directions

, where we will then somehow be able to draw our partners to some kind of normal competitive conditions for negotiations there about bmps, there about air defense systems, in order to clear the balance. format of discussions, which in one way or another are equally present in view of ours peculiarities, well, there really is, for example, the european defense industry, it generally lived in its own kind of ephemeral world, several, for example, parallel competitive projects were implemented there , where the french competed with the british, although they are not members of the eu, but of course, they actively participate in european defense, defense and industrial activities, or there the italians competed with the netherlands and so on, this was until february 24 and it continued for some time, but literally this week it was approved the european union has 22 new priorities in defense in the defense sector, there is the defense-industrial sphere and there, in principle, there is already adaptation to modern conditions, there is an orientation

of joint projects, non-competitive with each other within the framework of the european union and freely and of course aimed at urgent needs, and here regarding marketability, when big money appears, well, for example, there is a pool of countries that are currently implementing a munitions project, of course, when several tens of billions of euros are allocated there, of course business and therefore defense-industrial. therefore, in fact, to the extent of the consolidation of the efforts of the european, european countries, regarding investments, in specific projects, i mean european projects, business, defense and industrial companies will also move there and these projects will be effectively used and implemented, although on the other hand, of course, the role of ukraine here should be more active, why i say this format of the forums, it has shown itself well, but of course i also support you that after the forums concrete movements and concrete decisions are needed on the part of ukraine,

perhaps the ministry of defense should still take the lead here, which should somehow orient european and american manufacturers regarding the urgent needs that must be implemented, although in principle it seems to be so, because urgent needs, they are understandable, even if their not to announce the city of khramstein, they are being implemented , as for joint projects, indeed , the ministry of defense should also be here to say what is needed for the armed forces, and of course, the ministry of strategic industry should work more actively with our partners, because in fact the ministry of strategy and industry should be a kind of driver of this process, because the ministry of defense can announce what they need, but engage in just establishing contacts, establishing some industrial contacts, of course, the ministry of defense will not do this, it is not the right function, the ministry of strategy and industry

, should deal with this, i hope that through these forums, it is possible that such a format will gradually be created, when western manufacturers will be more actively involved in the implementation of projects that are so urgent for the armed forces of ukraine. you they mentioned the first forum that was held there, it seems a month or two ago, and there were two initiatives that looked quite ambitious. first of all, this is the creation of a certain financial direction that should ensure these projects, the creation of some conditions for private companies for foreign companies, favorable conditions for entering the ukrainian market, are there any advances in this direction, if you are aware of them, if not, what should really be so attractive for foreign companies in ukraine to choose, in particular between poland and ukraine, poland as has its own money, has safer conditions for development, and ukraine, which does not have its own funds

for such directions and all the risks for those enterprises that can be created in ukraine. how to create attractiveness for the ukrainian market? i think that the attractiveness of the ukrainian market is now, of course, determined by the fact that there is a much larger volume of this market here than in the same poland, that is, we need much more ammunition, armored vehicles. anti-aircraft missile systems and new solutions implemented by our western partners, that is, in principle, what the attractiveness of the ukrainian market may still be higher than in poland, due to the fact that here, for example, if within the framework of ramstein, a country declares to produce, at the request of ukraine, the ministry of defense of ukraine, some type of weapon, then the government can pay for this type of weapon, to which the company belongs, that is, ukraine does not even have to allocate

funds, that is, now these coalitions, they conclude that, unlike in peacetime, when, for example, ukraine needs, if ukraine wants to participate in a project with the european defense agency for anti-aircraft missile systems, okay, this is good , but you pay for your participation, allocate some technologies or allocate funds and so on, here now the situation is a little different, that is, even on the condition that ukraine, we now have a defense budget quite powerful, ukraine, for example, emphasizes unmanned systems, obviously, a lot of money is allocated , but at the same time, within the framework of ramstein, the requests of the ministry of defense of ukraine can actually be answered by the government of the country to which some specific companies belong, who manufacture iriste nasams or another system there, and this is precisely the ukrainian market, that is, it is actually the ukrainian market, but it is financed by other countries, and this has a special attraction, of course, this is a unique

situation, it cannot continue for a long time, and in this has the same effect that we talked about in the first part, that aid, this higher aid, i mean, at the military-political level, when it is defined, it allows these projects to be launched, as soon as this aid is stopped , of course ukraine itself will need it to solve the issue of financing, attracting defense and industrial companies, creating the attractive conditions you are talking about, for now these attractive conditions are so uniquely created by the attitude towards ukraine that has been formed among our partners, such trust is complete, and the allocation of virtually unlimited money, that is, the finances that are being allocated now , this is a very large amount of money that was unimaginable even there three years ago, now it is being allocated, and this situation, of course, it requires a lot of responsibility from us,

including the fight against corruption, because if it is noticed in this system. corruption, money will be embezzled, which the western press sometimes starts talking about, then of course this atmosphere will be disturbed and these unique conditions will be destroyed immediately. mr. mykhailo, thank you very much for these important points related to the development of military-technical cooperation with western partners. thank you for your time, thank you for finding the opportunity to join us, i would like to remind our viewers that mykhailo was on the air samus, head of the analytical organization new geopolitics research network. and then we will talk about how american companies perceive the ukrainian market, what are the problems, what are the prospects, but this will be after the advertising information break. the ranks of those who will forever remain in the ranks, under flags of the same colors as on the battlefield.

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a new synergy of interaction between ukrainian and foreign defense industrial companies, there are many nuances that need to be taken into account, and we will now talk about it, based on the experience of our next guest, to we are joined by pavlo verkhniatskyi, director and managing partner of kos, and co-coordinator of the us-ukrainian business council security and aerospace working group. mr. pavle, i congratulate you, i am glad see and hear good day, serhiyevich. i would like to start our conversation by asking you to comment on the address of the president of ukraine to american government officials and american companies, which was broadcast on the foxnews channel. this is just a couple of days ago, the president was talking about the fact that we are ready ... for the joint production of weapons, and when you do it for ukraine or with ukraine, you are doing it with the americans, and most of the production will still be deployed in in your states,

as well as in ukraine, that is, it is actually about certain such explanations for american partners that money for ukraine is money for you, and this is, as it were, such a political component of this story, and what is the practical component, here you communicate in sufficient detail with american companies, how american defense-industrial partners treat the ukrainian market , what visions, what risks, what challenges? well, first of all, uh, first of all, it's very good that those messages, to the foreign defense industry in general, aa are being sent, and are being sent at the highest level from the president, that's already very good, and it accepted this, in my opinion, systematic... nature, that is, it is happening now constantly at a good level, but with regard to the practical component, it is a little more difficult here, because

in principle we will not limit ourselves to messages, foreign defense companies, especially american ones, in which the main client is the american the government, and they are of course active in foreign markets, but they still focus primarily on their... key customer, the united states, they are more skeptical, they are more cautious about entering new markets, and here too it is necessary note that, unlike some european companies, american companies rely very much on the opinion of their government and wait for the green light for every step they take in new markets for themselves , including in ukraine, where the war is still going on, so they i can definitely, absolutely definitely say that they are looking at local partnerships, at the prospects

of the domestic market as such, that is, they are looking at our future potential defense orders, at potential internal defense orders, but there is little to predict here, given the fact that the defense order will depend not only on the needs of the army, but also on the economy, so there is less, let's say, less possible optimism, but companies are looking at different configurations where relations with ukrainian enterprises are possible, which will lead to, say, joint production and exit, joint entry into foreign markets, where it will be possible to compete on price , including with other players, including the chinese, possibly with other players, for example, russia, if it still produces something there at all

after the war, and con on specific projects, here i will not say everything for sure, from what has already happened more or less in the public plane, this, this, the companies are looking at some joint adaptation projects, in the field of... air defense, that is, the adaptation of western missiles for our launchers, for which there are simply not enough missiles, interesting projects, interesting, interesting initiatives, but they too, well, this is not exactly such a systemic solution, in my opinion, not very, not exactly promising, in my opinion, again, because i am ukraine i think it has the potential to produce modern, modern weapons, and only to adapt to the current needs, now it is, let's say, more in such a, well, not chaotic, but war regime is taking place, that is, to meet the needs for

now and as quickly as possible, yes, and what it will be possible to produce over time, integrate into international programs, this is already, for now, this is the area where companies look and study the situation, evaluate it, i think, you know, not everyone even comes here for their politicians, that is, it complicates it a little little process mr. pavle, you are talking about the fact that, in principle , the american companies there are also private... which have a part of the american defense orders there and are waiting for such a certain green green light, so can there not be such a large-scale green light, this is another the event, which is scheduled for december 6-7, there the us government announced that it should be held there, a two-day such a conference will be held with the participation of ukrainian american government officials, with the participation of defense enterprises from both sides, what can be expected

from such an event and whether or not this is a green light that will give american companies the opportunity to be more calm or more like that about the prospects of the ukrainian market, well, first of all, this is a certain continuation, this event that is being planned is a certain continuation of that forum , who was in ukraine in kyiv in september, everyone liked it, and the systematic nature that i was talking about is precisely its component, that is, it is already... the event is a good trend, moreover , it will take place precisely in the united states , much easier access to manufacturers, they are on, well 100% will come there in full force, that is, this is a good, this is a good trend, but to say that this will immediately open the green light, will give there, for joint projects,

again, we can look at this systematically, and take into account that aid to ukraine may be declining somewhere, because of the political component that we are seeing now, in the united states, and perhaps such a green light would be a good step from the current administration, the presidential administration, of the united states. in order to release a little, to give room for maneuver to the industry and to us, well, the american one industry and us, as a country, in the coordination of certain decisions there, and not to wait for each, for each, for each step of the green light, taking into account again the political component, but this is, in my opinion, such a good optimistic view, on

things, it's probably too early to predict it now, let's see a little more than a week before the event, and in principle, in principle, i would probably not, well, i wouldn't say that it's not immediately for everyone, for everyone , they will open the green light there, this is the second event , on which there will be certain agreements, for sure, maybe some point projects, plus you you also perfectly understand that each project is individual, that each company that can go here has completely different perspectives and visions, both of our market and of opportunities for cooperation, both from its own side and from the point of view of those partners who are in ukraine, remain in ukraine and plus, well, considering the conditions of the war, after all, we will not be there for it