[000:00:00;00] services, with diplomats and so on, it is very important, and we see now that these are our relations, they withstand the test of this very difficult situation in our area, that is, obviously with them, first of all with the egyptians, with the army, with special services, with diplomats, we will continue our work to measure this place, to restore the economic situation there, and some social peace in the sector after the end of this war, at the same time we see that in general... many are enough arab countries are here in our region, they have already lined up in the forvarator of the policy that washington is trying to pursue here, the americans in general are signaling to everyone that they want the continuation of the so-called european process, and this is our negotiations, the establishment of diplomatic relations with the countries of the persian gulf, and of course, in the end, this is the biggest event, so to speak, this is the achievement of some kind of agreement,

perhaps even a peace treaty with the saudi arabs, this is very important, but our diplomats are already there today, and mussad, even in the same qatar, qatar in general, it is one of the most unfriendly states in the region of israel, and nevertheless, for the past month and a half, our representatives have been there, and as i said already here, now there is a very high-ranking delegation of them , and all this gives hope that despite everything that is happening in the gas sector today, despite all the negativity that the so-called arab street and the arab press are throwing at us today, there is still a very important, good , a stable reserve for the future and obviously, yes, further we will be with them, contacts are already being made, but further more actively, obviously, so israel will again be partially, at least they will supply electricity and maybe water to the gas sector, for now at the moment, no one wants to do this, but i assume that obviously we will have to do it under pressure, first of all, from the americans, who

care about the humanitarian... situation in the sector after the end of this war, so we will obviously be there deliver, and besides indeed, we will constantly cooperate with our arab neighbors, in order to maintain security in the gas sector there and prevent hamas from recovering . does not exclude a situation in which the future palestinian state, if when it will be... created both in gaza and on the west bank of the jordan river, it will be completely deprived of the opportunity to arm itself, that is, it will disarmed, it's very important, it's very important, what is israel insisting on all the time , first of all, that there are no more armed formations in the gaza sector, that is, again, the impression is created that there is someone talking, on the same topic, the egyptians , first of all, of course, because even for them today it is a very big problem, a very big headache, in principle, this is a very

poor country, they have very big problems with refugees from north africa, from sudan, from other places there, therefore, of course they absolutely do not need another flow of refugees from the gas sector, especially refugees, among whom there are many members of hamas, and they themselves have their muslim brothers in egypt, whom the egyptian leadership is generally afraid of, and hamas is a branch of the muslim brothers , and this is a particularly aggressive branching out of this organization , well, the egyptians do not need it today, therefore, in general , there is a clear meeting of interests of both jerusalem and cairo, in this context, in this direction, we will work further. i want to talk to you about the european context, because we see all the thousands of pro-palestinian marches in european cities, very often their participants covertly support hamas, which surprises many, even those who have always been in favor of the creation of a palestinian state in europe, but at the same time against the background of those marches we see another process, i would say

the reverse, what we observed during the parliamentary elections in the netherlands, when the freedom party of geert wilders, a sincere supporter of israel and an opponent of palestinian radicals, simply gained twice as much votes than predicted by sociological polls a few weeks before the vote, and i read interviews with new supporters of this party, they all say about october 7. about the day hamas attacked israel, that their eyes were opened, that they understood the logic of geert wilders, and here on the one hand, i am again, i see in the israeli media, mr. jacob, that everyone in israel really likes what geert says wilders about israel, about the middle east, about the solution of the palestinian issue, at the same time he is a far-right politician, here in ukraine he is not promises nothing good, because he is good , in good relations with the kremlin, always spoke well of putin, and here

is such a controversial situation, well, i agree with you, absolutely, by the way, the wilders have long maintained good relations with israel, as far as i know, visited our country many times, yes, but on the other hand, you are absolutely right, these forces are in general all over europe. enough and good relations with the kremlin, yes, this is the situation, somehow, but i want to say, indeed, in a broader context, you are indeed right, but in the eyes of europeans are beginning to open, we can see this not only from the events in the netherlands, but also from the recent events in the same ireland, where a serious terrorist attack was committed the other day, there, too, children suffered and immigrants were seriously injured, and people are fine understand that in general europe, with elements that are not sadalized at all and do not in any way grow into local life, they are completely alien to european civilization, in this context the recent appeal of

the heads of the federal states in germany to to the central government, so that this is the policy that was adopted under mrs. merkel at the time, about the reception of numerous refugees from the middle east from other islamic countries, so that it is revised, this is all a manifestation of the same trend that you are talking about , yes, that is, people in europe are beginning to understand that they really overdid it, overstepped the mark, in this context, by the way, even today's huge demonstration in london, 100,000 people in support of israel, is also very indicative, that is, this could not have happened before, but today it can already be, people really understand, their eyes are opening, and this is, in general, from our point of view, at least a fairly positive fact, well, well, then as for ukraine, i am not an expert in this area, i still hope that we are talking about european politicians, that when they come to power, they will somewhat reduce the heat in relation to moscow, and will also become more constructive in relation to ukraine, because they will

primarily cares about the safety of europe, and europe today is collective, without such an important strong state as ukraine, i think it is simply impossible, i think they will understand it quickly enough. how do you view the domestic political situation in israel? to what extent is it possible to assume that israeli society is capable of some kind of consolidation in the coming months, if the intensity of the war decreases, we have already seen the rallies near the house of prime minister min netanyahu, i was looking at the polls by the way, and in these polls, the party of the former minister of defense, now the minister of the war cabinet, benny gant ahead. where i think twice, if i'm not mistaken, yes, something like that, these things also change constantly, you also know how in your country everything depends on who is listened to, who conducted survey, but in general, now i still think that the israeli society

is very strongly consolidated, much more than it was on the eve of these tragic events, this is completely understandable, today we have one task, first of all , defeat hamas and then, of course, at the same time release... our hostages, then he will calm the situation on our northern border, and also in judea and samaria , where now the situation is very difficult, that is, we now understand, the society increasingly understands, that we are dealing with a very large systemic crisis, it is not only gaza, i emphasize once again , but these are also other fronts that iran has opened or is trying to open against us, by the way, this concerns the same hussites, literally today a message came from a dream that another israeli ship was attacked in the red sea, and before that 2 days ago there was also an israeli one the vessel or there is partial, by at least, belonging to israel means that it was attacked by a drone in the indian ocean, that is, we understand that a completely real sea front has been opened against us, we definitely need to deal with all of this, everything will end, and after this, politics will return to practice, it will gradually

return to normal , and we are already seeing these demonstrations against benjamin netanyahu and various other forces, but this is still quite secondary, it is still pushed to the side, in the foreground, of course, our victory is first of all, but then later , after of this war, we first of all hope that there will be a more detailed analysis of the flights, as they say, a special commission will be created, maybe not even one, which will deal with what happened in our army, what happened in our special services, and in parallel, of course, all this will be transferred to the political plane, very actively, and yes, we all hope today for the future elections , obviously, obviously, the hostess will have to leave, he is true, his team is already making efforts now so that this does not happen, but i think that this they are not... you already talked about the need for the normalization of the situation in the west bank, there are big problems, it seems to me to understand how this normalization can take place, when before

our eyes, even high-ranking officials of the palestinian authority in the west bank are afraid to condemn hamas, or openly support it, let's say, as i did the other day. the general secretary of fatho jebril rajoub, who said that what happened on october 7 can be understood and called it a defensive war against israel, with whom then to cooperate, if even such cautious politicians, like rajub, make such statements, well, yes, well, srajuma, as they say, will become, yes, he is well-known, in general, a figure, quite anti-israeli always was, but i want to say that first of all, of course , now the situation is resolved precisely in the security plane, our forces are conducting a very active clearing of the area there, we understand very well that hamas is an islamic jihad in recent years with the significant support of iran, and they have been able to develop very much in this

area, and the autonomy with it is nothing palestinian yes, i mean autonomously, i couldn’t do anything about it, obviously i didn’t want to, that’s why we have to deal with the situation today, literally right now we’re talking to you, a special operation has been going on in jinina for many hours to clean up this city , because there are hamas fighters there, and a few today , their field commanders and especially active fighters were eliminated, and dozens were captured, and this is very important, that is, it must be finished first of all, and then of course, or even in parallel, as i said, here is diplomacy, it does not live separately from everything that happens in the military area, these are two vectors that in general accompany each other, and the americans are especially strongly promoting this business here, and their representatives they are here all the time, at the end of the week, secretary

of state blinkken is coming here all the time... president bidents is also talking to netanyahu. the gas sector of the palestinian authority, at the same time, they all recognize, well, at least the majority means, well, the diplomats are not official , but the specialist commentators are already more official, our american ones, that mahmud is so on... but he obviously will not be able to cope with this task, since we are talking about a very old man, already a very unhealthy person, and most importantly, completely illegitimate in the eyes of his own people, that is why various ideas arise regarding who can replace him, this is the same rajub, i said, he is such a well-known figure, and he is completely anti-israeli, in general, they don’t want to talk to him in israel, and they don’t like him in the autonomous region itself, because the entire elite of today’s palestine is considered super corrupt there, he has been in... nothing normal for his

people for many years, and most of the money they receive from the international community, they simply stole, or sawed , as they say in russian, that is why there is such a person as muhammad dahlan, he is also one of the people close to arafat in the past, and he was and the head of the special service of the palestinian authority in the gaza sector, until 2007, before the coup that hamas carried out there, after that he quarreled with mahmoud abbas and... and went to the countries of the persian gulf, specifically to the united arab emirates, he himself is a native of gaza, and the city, which is called hanyunas, he well known both in gaza and in general on the west bank of the jordan river, he has very significant connections, influence and authority there to this day , and most importantly, he has a very complementary attitude towards israel, that is, he has repeatedly expressed his readiness to advance negotiations with israel, the peace process with israel , he showed, means understanding that we are talking about two neighboring peoples who need

to live together, obviously, in this context, he is most comfortable with the americans, who have repeatedly promoted and raised this idea, the question of dakhlan returning here to the territory, in general, it seems that obviously they will promote him, maybe they are already behind the scenes promoting him, because there is another candidate, similar to him, at least at the moment not it is viewed here, thank you, mr. yakov, yakov falkov, an israeli historian. a doctor of science, a teacher at telviv university and a former analyst of the ministry of defense of israel was in touch with us, now i sincerely thank you, we will now literally take a break for a few minutes and continue our conversation, so you literally stay with us, do not switch, please usual things become unreal, heavy bags, for my sore back, for back pain, try

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to be collected. we continue the political club program with vitaly portnikov, and vitaly portnikov - this is me, our guest. today oleksandra kovaleva, candidate of political sciences, associate expert of the center for global studies of strategy 21 of the foreign policy of latin american countries, and it is no coincidence that ms. alexandra and i are talking, congratulations ms. alexandra, because we will talk about the political earthquake in argentina, javier millay, a person absolutely , i would say unpredictable political intentions and views, now elected president of argentina, many... who say that this is an incredible result of the second round of presidential elections, but still before the second round, as far as i remember, ms. alexandro, they talked about the fact that miley could become the head of state and everyone was interested in what would happen then, and now it is clear what

will happen then, well, i'm afraid not, i'm afraid that as well, let's say, here we have to talk about the fact that he was elected just... contrary to his predecessors, as we also like to vote, against those who came before him, that is, even those people who voted for him, i think , that the majority, the only thing they hope will be better, but they are probably not sure about it, and, on unfortunately, also, the leading economists not only in argentina , in the world, they seriously doubt whether he will be able to really implement these pre-election promises that he made, he definitely came, such an outrageous politician, he declares himself an anti-system politician, and he is compared with trump from bolsonaro, and unfortunately, in this sense, it is most unfortunate for us that he

is really with trump, if he connects himself, and he is with him, if he is connected strongly enough, unfortunately, there is such the probability that there may again come to power in the united states, and then, how the situation in argentina will develop, it will be enough if it will be difficult for us, or it will be positive for us, it will be difficult to predict, but on the other hand, miley really likes both donald trump and jair bolsonar and hopes for their return to power in the united states and brazil, respectively, but their economic program was much more. moderate than his, these are completely different worlds, i would say economic, trump, maybe there is an exalted, unpredictable person, in the economy he conducted quite traditional for

republican politics, the same, in principle, can happen with this president of argentina, what can happen, that his real policy will also be much more moderate than his pre-election promises, and in principle there are already certain signs of this, he is among the main promises talked about the dollarization of argentina's economy, which economists doubt very much how realistic it is to implement, since they do not have such foreign currency savings to begin with, and now it is said that he may not implement it, because he was going to bet on forehead of this reform, the well-known economist emilio campo, and now it is about what is possible and will not do this, that is, literally right now , the first days after the elections, some points are changing, and unfortunately, for us, as well,

he is already revising his position regarding relations with russia, if during the election, he said that he was going to break relations with russia with china, and now his, a member of his team diana mondino, who, judging by everything , will be the minister of foreign relations, she is already talking about what and why... this is illogical to review relations, to interrupt, it is as if, for their economy, it is not justified, that is, it may be that these argentines, who voted precisely for the radical changes that he spoke about, may be disappointed. well, in general, how realistic is it to carry out some radical changes when you don't even have a third of the deputies in the parliament. imagine that volodymyr zelenskyi was elected president of ukraine in 2019, and there would be no early parliamentary elections, and he remained without a parliamentary seat support, well

, it was a completely different government than the one we got as a result of the triumphant victory of the servant of the people party in the elections to the verkhovna rada, the verkhovna rada of ukraine. and in argentina, it is not so easy to hold such special elections, if even a person wins the presidential election there, it is still a country with a much more established democracy, despite all the coups and all... so i completely agree, and what's more, he did not have such an extensive party, he did not have such support, and there are also scandals, against him, judicial investigations will begin, regarding the fact that he allegedly sold seats in the party and for such good money, that is, there are also such nuances here, but there are moments that can in principle contribute to the fact that certain changes can take place, because of course in

the economic situation in the country is critical and all parties of all political spectrums will definitely look for ways out of the crisis, that is, it is possible that some such common vision, common solution will be found, and in principle, maybe dollarization would not be so incredible, in this plan, maybe it would be just what the economy might need. since inflation in argentina, it is already higher than 140%, and huge external debt , 40% of the population is in debt, that is , something really needs to be done about it, and here it must be said that there are positive points that can contribute to him, his policy, which is the information that argentina can stop, as an importer , energy carriers that are currently being developed,

fields that can, in principle, provide gas, both for domestic consumption and even something, export for export, and it is also about expansion of lithium mining cooperation, in argentina, there are quite significant deposits of lithium, and now there are contracts for very good ones. amounts, that is, in principle, it can contribute, plus they say that they expect a good harvest this year, the previous year the harvest was not very good, and the argentine economy, in general, is still tied to the agricultural sector, this is its largest sector, production, and as we know, in principle, with such a powerful agricultural sector, it is unlikely that the country can make a serious breakthrough, but in principle, maybe in in terms of lithium and gas, something will be achieved there. if we talk about the general picture of our support in latin america, javier mileyba was one of those politicians

who always supported ukraine, but this is a general argentinian mood. to what extent can latin america in general be considered a continent favorable for ukrainian resistance to russian aggression? unfortunately, russian disinformation has a very serious position in the countries of latin america. there is still very strong russian television, satellite, other channels, and they have enough supporters, although here it cannot be said that they simply dominate , and this is how we see, with the example of this president of mileia, also others, such as the president of chile borik, who also unequivocally speaks for the support of ukraine, but the fact is that after all latin... america, she, if, until now, she doesn't know much about our situation, in general, and this is our huge mistake, we lost a lot of

time, we should have done it a long time ago, if it spread. information in that region so that they understand why ukraine is not russia and why it should not be russian territory, that is, it is still very important for us to convey this to the latin audience, and in principle for leading politicians, since, for example, the brazilian elite is still not convinced that if ukraine really... if it has the right to independence, let's say so, well, not in the sense that, but that russia too, if it has the right to these territories, and this is all russian propaganda, we cannot now count on an instant change, a radical, regarding the policy in

support of ukraine, but there is hope that all the same... a drop sharpens a stone and we will be able to achieve it, regarding javier miley , thank god, if he fills in his support and he offered our president to hold a summit in latin america in support of ukraine, it would be very good , but unfortunately, as i said, he is also associated with donald trump, and we do not know how this position will change if trump comes to power, we can for now, do you think that the position of donald trump so will affect eh, latin american leaders? in principle, the economy of argentina, it is already significantly connected with the american economy, and if such a dollarization is carried out, if the economy becomes even more tied to

the american one, then here, if it were, the american... opinion will be important, but there is another nuance that donald trump himself, in the current situation, would he be unequivocally, if he were, to adhere, i apologize, to those moments that he is now saying about the war between ukraine and russia, because after all, he is relying on public opinion in the united states, in the united states most of the states the population still supports ukraine. how do you perceive argentine society in general, but now, we understand that one way or another many people did not support javier in melaya, and these are people, they are supporters of quite active political forces, trade unions, as far as he will be able to hold on to power in the event, if his economic program turns out to be unfeasible. it's hard to say,

argentina is a society. very emotional, they are very quick to eliminate those politicians they don't like, and unfortunately although, as far as i know, still not many people support the previous government, now , especially since its economic policy was, albeit supposedly, socially oriented, but quite unsuccessful, but still, that government still ... a very big resource and very big opportunities, that is, that there will definitely be resistance to the policies of this president, yes, this can be said, and even if he will take the steps that he has already announced in the reforms,

there will be resistance, even if they, over time , will show their positive effect for economy, the resistance will still be unequivocal, and there are still moments when, with this radical position, he still turned a large part against himself, a large part of society, because during the elections he raised the topic of dictatorships, military dictatorships in argentina, and he raised in the sense that he and his vice president, but now i did not understand whether she would become the vice president, but she at least declared, victoria villaruel, she as the daughter of the military, proclaimed that if these crimes of military dictatorships, about which they have common opinion in argentina, this is all as if it were not so, that is, she denied the obvious facts,

despite the fact that there are still a huge number