[000:00:00;00] the correct answer, because the goals are the merit of the whole team, our team has already completed their work today, in a week we will tell you even more, because there will be european cup matches, which always attract a lot of attention, andriy malinovskyi was with you, i am oleksandr vashchuk, see you soon . good evening, dear friends, vitaly portnikov, lesya vakulyuk, the saturday political club, and today, we welcome you, today is the fourth saturday of november, which means that ukrainians on this day honor the memory of the victims of those ukrainians whose lives were taken by terrible the artificial famine that russia arranged against ukraine, only because these ukrainians

did not obey and wanted to have... dignity, this week we also celebrated the day of dignity, and it somehow compressed everything in time, about how ukrainians have been choosing and defending their dignity for years, decades and centuries, and trying to resist such an enemy who is destroying ukraine in various ways, i think that when we talk about the holodomor, we are not even talking about dignity as such, but about the idea of ​​a final ukrainian solution question, and there is absolutely... the bolshevik parties were not interested in who was worthy and who was not worthy, because it was necessary to destroy the platform of the ukrainian national movement, it was believed that there was no such platform in the big cities, so no one was interested in the national composition those cities, where by the way ukrainians did not make up the majority at that time, but here is the village with its voting for ukrainian national parties, with its understanding of the importance of the ukrainian language, with the fact that people simply

spoke ukrainian there. it seemed and did not understand russian, yes, it seemed to stalin, who was really the grandmaster of these national issues and understood how to do things in order to tame this or that nation, he amused the people, destroyed them through starvation, it seemed to stalin the most dangerous enemy, and therefore in principle was adopted absolutely logically from any point of view, the decision of the dictatorship, to create an artificial voice, to lock people in the reservation of hunger and simply to reduce the number of such a population and to intimidate, this is also a very important thing, but this intimidation is also to break dignity, of course, to intimidate to such an extent that it fulfills all the instructions of the essentially colonial power, people were intimidated to such an extent that they did not want to talk about it for decades, and we are only now understanding there, but look, as soon as some kind of build-up begins of this dignity,

sprouts. ugh, immediately people start to mention it, they mention it in ukraine, they started mentioning it in kazakhstan, where there was, in principle, the same hunger for the same solution to the national issue, only there, both ukrainian and kazakh, and this is still given as signs, but the independence of kazakhstan led to the fact that the kazakhs began to carefully remember what happened to them in the kuban, they do not remember it until now, although the famine in the kuban was in in principle equal in scale... to the famine in ukraine, there are famous lines by otsep mandelshtab about the black prices of ukraine and the kuban, that is, the russian poet was aware of the level of disaster for these two regions of the soviet union at the time, in the kuban itself, today, no one there knows about it practically does not remember, although today they have the same terrible day as the residents

of ukraine, and that is also a lot. which indicates recent polls say that 92% of ukrainians say that the holdomor was a genocide of the ukrainian people, in 2010, only 60% of such ukrainians were. that is, we ourselves are going through this kind of evolutionary process, it does not happen by itself either, it happens precisely because of these painful and tragic events that are happening to us now. first, many simply did not want to tell themselves that moscow could organize an artificial famine, because moscow was the center of civilization for the advantage. people who lived there even in the ukrainian ssr, it was their alpha and omega, their capital, their main city, and to imagine that from this center, which has been such a center since the time of bohdan khmelnytskyi, a threat to the national existence for many people was it hurts, well, by and large , they are now saying goodbye to these people, that vladimir putin is also trying to act in a similar way, by and large, what we

are seeing now is typical. final solution the ukrainian question, the attempt to steal grain, which is already being talked about as a plan for the first weeks of the attack, which also wanted to organize a famine. trying to destroy critical infrastructure is what we're talking about literally tonight, and i think that as long as vladimir putin is president of the russian federation, he will try to implement this joseph stalin plan . the final solution to the ukrainian question is a question of returning to russia to its imperial such future, and by and large stalin proved this to putin, so that after the holodomor all the conditions were created for the soviet union to become such an empire after the world war that the romanov russia had never been. we already have a guest with whom we will actually talk a little about this today, so to speak, i am ironic , of course, congratulations from russia on

the anniversary, the 90th anniversary, ah, the famine that russia arranged, 74 of 75 shahedov was shot down, and now oleksandr makushenko, the press officer of the main department of the state emergency service, kyiv, is in touch with us, we congratulate you, mr. oleksandr, i congratulate you, good evening, yes indeed, russia recalled its essence, what was 90 years ago, recalled it on such a date , unfortunately, it is not very pleasant for us, and we once again see who they are for us, tell me, please, mr. oleksandr , but purely technically, if we say that in fact 74 75 were shot down, why did it still lead to infrastructure problems, what is the reason? well, i'll tell you that as far as the number of drones shot down and the number of, er, launched drones, that

's not my question, my question is more about how our rescuers worked at the places where debris fell, our rescuers, that night, uh, worked in the solomyansk and dnipro districts, in general they went to calls to eliminate the consequences of enemy shelling, since the morning, and also this night 15 times, for example, in solomyansk in the district, the roof of an orphanage on an area of ​​100 km was destroyed, and a fire was extinguished in three cells on an area of ​​2 m, at another address... debris fell near a five-story building, as a result of which many cars were damaged that were parked on

on the territory of the house, as well as broken windows, in the building from the first to the fifth floor, on the second floor, our rescuers were rescued by two women who were locked in an apartment, in an apartment, in the dnipro district, there was a fall so... shulamki stairs a cell of a 27-storey residential building, the technical floor was also damaged, at other addresses, we did not get involved, we went to where there were calls, we checked those places, whether there was a threat to people's lives and their health, whether there were any destructions, we checked, and we are not in those places intervened, intervened only in those places that i also just said, in total , 81 rescuers and 17 units of equipment were involved in these works.

thank you, thank you, mr. oleksandr, oleksandr mokashenko, the press officer of the main department of the state security service of kyiv, was you talking about what happened with the attack of the drones of the russian armed forces on the ukrainian capital, on the kyiv region, we will now move on to a conversation with our experts, with we will be, diplomat. former ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the republic of poland andriy deshchytsia and director of the center for the study of civil society problems vitaliy kolyk, we will talk with them about foreign policy aspects, welcome colleagues, mr. andria, i would like to ask you about what is happening now again there on the polish-ukrainian track, president zelenskyy said today that it is necessary to give to the neighbors it is necessary to give them a little more time and it is getting warmer, as much as it is possible to believe that time will really help to solve the problem that currently exists on the polish-ukrainian border. well, time will help a little, of course, because we hope that a new government will be formed in poland and this should happen

no later than somewhere on december 13, and therefore of course the new government will have the opportunity to deal with these problems that have now arisen on the ukrainian-polish border and not just deal with them. solve them, because the current government looks like it is not very interested in dealing with these matters at all, because there are two important things on its mind, the first is an attempt to form a new government, because the prime minister has such he would have a mandate from the president literally already on monday to present the new composition of the government, and the second question, if, realizing that this attempt is unlikely , this attempt to create a new government is unlikely, then it is necessary to complete those matters that can still be completed, being e being in power. mr. andrii, why did andrzej duda

take the longer route and actually create such a crisis? well, i think that this can be explained, probably most likely, by the fact that andrzej duda, er, also comes from the law and justice party, and therefore he did not have, it seemed quite realistic that he would allow, or offer the opposition party, the first to create a government and change the government, so i think that under the pressure of his party colleagues, he decided to give the opportunity to the representative of the law and justice party, the party from which he comes out to create a government, and it took a month, well, not exclusively. that president duda may be interested in

pursuing some other political career in poland, and then he has no other option than to look for certain, certain support actually among his colleagues from the party of law and justice. and please tell me, mr. andriy, why prime minister morovetskyi says that on monday he will present the composition of the coalition, in which the majority of deputies will be from some. political forces unknown to anyone, about which he does not even want to talk, so as not to disrupt the possibility of forming such a cross-party , as he calls it, government, what is happening at all, well, in fact, the prime minister has to present only the composition of the new government, not not a completely new coalition, and on monday, and it is not excluded that it is possible found those people who are ready to take

formal positions. although everyone understands very well that this composition of the government cannot be supported, because moravetsky's government and the law and justice party do not have a majority in the parliament, but they will have another two weeks to convince other deputies in the parliament to actually support of their new government and the new government program , most likely this will not happen, because everyone... is already showing that it is unrealistic, and why is the prime minister doing it now, moravets is taking such a policy because it is taking time, wins in time, because he has the opportunity to appoint those people who he still has, according to the powers, constitutional, the opportunity to appoint to positions and they can stay for a longer time to continue to perform their duties and the new government will not remove them, and they will still be people of pis, let's say, this concerns

, for example, the way he did it yesterday, he appointed a new head of the financial supervision commission, this is the regulator that finances, which is engaged in monitoring and control of the financial and banking sphere, and it's five years, it will be the person of the prime minister, eh, but the second question is why, for example , what is happening now with the protests at the border, and is also connected with the formation of a new government, is prime minister morovetsky looking for support and allies in all political parties, and the only party that agreed to negotiate with him in any way, agreed to come and negotiate with him, or responded to the invitation to negotiate, was the confederation party, which actually supports these protests by polish truckers, and

so. .. that's why the prime minister is not at all is interested in somehow pushing them back and ending these protests, because he still expects that maybe this party will somehow be able to be in a coalition with them, despite the fact that the leaders of this confederation party have declared that they will be in opposition and to his party... law and justice and to this coalition, a coalition that consists of three opposition parties, now headed by donald tusk. i wonder if the voters like this law and justice, this kind of close friendship of peace with the confederation, we let's add to our conversation, let's see it, to our conversation, let's add mr. vitaly kulyk, director of the center for research , civil society problems, welcome, sir, welcome, welcome, so

please tell me, mr. vitaly, in principle, how much now do you think that ukraine, not only talking about the problems that have arisen in the polish direction, but also about the negotiations that are going in the western direction, manages to prove to its allies, let's say, its own right in changing the situation that should be both at the front and in the political sphere relations, when we already hear that by and large each of the countries that helps us has its own political difficulties in this aid, well, it is obvious that it is difficult, because recently bloomberg wrote about the fact that there are already countries of the european union that are in favor of softening sanctions, in the package that europe is introducing in relation to russia, we know about hungary's difficult negotiations with the european union, and orbán directly threatens to block the allocation of aid to ukraine, not only military aid, but general aid, and

this is connected with blackmail, actually with those the money that the europeans should allocate to hungary is 13 billion euros. we have problems with slovakia, we have complicated relations with the european south, with the european south , we are in strange relations with france, we do not have an unequal position with other eastern european countries, and i would say that there is a difference in the speed of european integration with berlin , in particular, therefore... therefore it is obvious that negotiations with the european union are a difficult issue for ukraine, in my opinion, the ministry of foreign affairs does everything that depends on it, and it depends on him, but that's it is not only a question of our mfa as diplomacy, yes, it is a question of political leadership, to ensure certain messages, not only messengers, to show and perform

homework, this is the situation at the front, this is the fight against corruption, this is the fulfillment of this entire matrix, the fulfillment of ukraine's obligations on the negotiation process. in the european union, and this was also the basis, the subject of the conversation and the visit of michel to kyiv and the conversation with the top opposition leadership. instead, kyiv broadcasts quite controversial messages, here is the latest publication vsan, that's the testimony, i wouldn't say that this is some voice that should speed up the integration of ukraine into the european union, convey the position, the rationale of kyiv. in the dialogue with our european partners, on the contrary, it raises more questions, and not only , i think, in ukraine, but also among our and european partners as well, what is happening there, to whom are these messages for the military leadership, which is going to politics, about which, what

kind of bragging about the fight against attempted assassinations, well, for whom is this for what for, i understand that the specificity of visan is specific, it is so well... i did not call it a serious publication, but for peacetime, yes, it would be a good interview, not for wartime, i wanted to mr. andrii, you know what else to ask, mr. andrii, but if a new government is formed poland , what kind of relations will the ukrainian leadership have with them, to what extent can it be generally assumed that there will be some warmth between the ukrainian authorities and polish liberals, well, look, i want to say that it is certain that immediately. there will be no hot volume, uh, because this government that will be formed, er, it will be created from the four major political forces, and the coalition government will also include representatives of the party, the peasant party, the polish peasant party, who will

protect their market and will protect their farmers and will protect their truckers, it should not be expected that all problems will be solved immediately. but i think that, after all, i look at our relations more optimistically, because the new prime minister of poland, donald tusk, is known for his pro-european, his pro-european vision, his pro-european positions, and in principle he understands europe very well from the inside, and he understands and knows ukraine very well, so i think that our relations will still be based on pro-european politics, obviously it will not be, as i say it said that it is immediately... an unobstructed, uninterrupted, barrier-free, barrier-free movement of ukraine to europe and will be supported

by poland, this will not happen, but nevertheless, the chances are much greater than they were with law and justice, with by the moravietsi government, which itself has problems with brussels, and it was necessary they themselves have to fight with that brussels, not to mention dragging ukraine. mr. andriy, in conclusion, because we know that you should be released a little earlier. volodymyr zelensky from andrzejmduy has developed such a rather warm friendly relationship, will he manage to build the same relationship with donald tusk, who is, well, in opposition to andrzej duda, you mean zelensky with donald tusky or, zelensky, well, first of all, i think , that here in fact it is necessary to build relations between, at the level between the heads of governments, it would be in mr. denys shmyhal should build this relationship with donald tusk, and the relations that have already

been established between the presidents , volodymyr zelevskyi duda, should be supported here, but i think that if these good relations are established between, between, excuse me, donald tusk and shmygel, then i think that they will also be transformed for good. the relationship between president zelski and duda, and i'm sorry, and donald tusk. thank you, it was andriy deshchytsa, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the republic of poland in 2014-2022, and we let's continue ours with vitaly kolyk. so. and tell me, mr. vitaly, you are talking about an interview for san. how important are the texts in the media today from the point of view of the real situation, because we can read anything. to some signals, to analyze what he wrote, what sana said, or what bilt wrote, but war is a policy of concrete actions

, you understand, they liberated the city, we see it , they did not liberate it, we also see it, 75 shaheds flew in, we saw them , they were shot down, this is reality, they were not shot down, a different reality, as far as media forecasts and efforts are concerned to transmit some signals of a public nature are important in war, but seriously, we are not talking only about war. we are also talking about diplomacy during the war, and it needs texts, program documents, needs certain analyzes of certain messages , which then find support for the formation of public opinion, for example, the dry remnants of this publication, in my opinion, can be the only one in a positive way the passage that the more air defense, the more ukrainians will return to ukraine, because it is safe in ukraine, here it is, reader of the cassette, who, well, let's say no, supports an increase in the number of migrants coming to britain, it is quite positive that yes, there are

causes for the effect, there is a cause, let's give more means of anti-sweat defense and more ukrainians will go back to ukraine, that's it the only dry residue from this publication, which is in favor of ukraine and in favor of our victory in this war, is still different, it seems to me to be controversial in this publication, that is why we need to do interviews, we need to go to the european media, it is necessary to form public, public opinion in european countries, it depends on the position of voters, political parties that make political decisions in parliaments, in governments, representatives are in, that is, it is work that is also needed, but when we are the main strategic statements of the president or the government, or the top military leadership, we read in western publications, and for us these are important statements, first of all, as for the ukrainian people, for the people who are fighting, who support the rear, and we

read it in the retelling of western publications, this, in my opinion, is wrong communication , that is is completely wrong, first there should be communication with one's own people, and then the broadcast of messages to the outside, and we have had the opposite for 21 months in a row, so absolutely, i do not recall a single strategic text from the bank in the last six months, which would have been made for the ukrainian reader, the viewer, for the ukrainian people, who would build this stoic communication with their own people in this way, and we constantly see some appeals to the western media, statements during meetings with foreigners who come to ukraine, statements of the president at various international platforms that concern the internal ukrainian order. but i think that in the president's office and even president zelensky himself would say: "every day i write down an appeal to ukrainians." yes, every

day, 21 months in a row. well, that's his job, to calm down, but still. this is not communication, it is such a one-sided monologue, yes, and these are not strategic things, he voices some summaries of the day, places some accents, as the position of the authorities, but this is not a strategic conversation about the real thing, about the essence, yes, that’s different zelskyi, i would like to read, see , or a video or a text where he would talk about different scenarios, about a real analysis of the mobilization situation. about the fact that we will run out of mobilization reserves, what to do when financial aid from the united states is increased by the european union, whether there will be a budget, what items of the ukrainian budget will have to be cut, who will be affected by this, a serious conversation, strategic or at least b, well, it is close to the strategic level, but strictly speaking,

this is what the president wanted from the top military and political leadership. and in the meantime, we read the economist, or visan, or other publications, where important statements are made for the future of ukraine. thank you, thank you, vitaliy kulyk, the director of the center for the study of civil society problems was in touch with us, we are going to take a short break, we will return and continue our conversation. events, events that are happening right now and affect ours. life, of course, the news feed reports about them, but it is not enough to know what is happening, one must understand, antin borkovskyi and invited experts are sober evaluate events, analyze them, modeling our future, every saturday at 1:00 p.m. with a repeat at 10 p.m., zahid studio with anton borkovsky at

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