[000:00:00;00] so that the boys are safe, you are a pppo, on our boat , what is the difficulty, you never know when a dry ship will take off, at sea, well , you can’t go anywhere, it remains, you could all be killed, this is our brother, in general, everything is very simple, scary, only for families and brothers, prisoner or not prisoner? energodar is there next to the as, the russians could even blow it up, what are you talking about, what will happen after the war, what will i live, every minute something flew in, they stand

to the end, few understand the meaning of these words. oleksandr na pseudoluyy, a military serviceman special unit gur artan, commander of the manpads group. until february 24, the entrepreneur was fond of sports. from the beginning of the full-scale invasion, he volunteered for the tro. in three months i received an offer to transfer to gur. special unit artan carries out sabotage and noise operations on the front line and in tilu vo. among the successfully completed tasks, in particular, the return of drilling platforms in the black sea, special operations in the annexed crimea, entry into the occupied energodar and battles in bakhmut. most of the unique successful operations remain under wraps. oleksandr, i am glad to welcome you to our studio , i will say frankly that with a spy from military intelligence, it is even difficult to ask something, because most of your work, your service, it is

classified. as i understand it, you were a completely civilian person until february 24, so the gur, how did you get in, received an offer, then it was just being created, you can say, the artan was just being created, there were about 40 people, at that time three groups entered , guys from aydar, from the police and just such experienced military men who, as early as the 13th, generally fought almost all the time, so it started first with training, and why exactly artan, you have several units that were born, i can call you born in war, in general, what does artan mean, it is an old slavic name,

if, you can ... to say how the first slavic, warriors, artan, artania, were old, and you yourself, this name, or did someone come up with it, so apparently, well, at the first meetings, when there were up to 50 of us there people, you are a civilian, and after already, uh, very big changes, because of the contusion, again. after all, she imposes such scar, constantly nervous, spontaneously, uh, you can't even focus on anything specific for long, and you're constantly on such alert, and when you're on the front line for a long time, again, we didn't

spend too much time there, but those operations that took place, they, well, are too stressful, morally, psychologically, what is the difficulty, on the black sea, uh, the difficulty was that you never know when the dry, uh, communication is almost all the time it was not, also, the fact that you are at sea, probably, well you can't get anywhere, your task is in the unit. and what is your weapon? pezerka, stinger, well, now they got another thorn, but they haven’t worked with it yet, because in principle it is the stinger that is stuffed in the hand, in the feather, it looks more like a russian needle, so no matter how we don’t use it yet, but we will use it too, because the sights, guidance, night guidance, and

this is what it somehow improves the quality of, so to speak, than the stinger, ugh, the stinger, for example, practically without guidance, the mechanical aiming bar, in fact, that ppo misses, what's in the sky, here you are ppo, yes, yes, well, of your unit, on our boat, on your boat , you are ppo, yes, that's how it turns out, and indeed, here at sea, but where to hide, yes, yes, yes, this it's a difficult situation, most of our guys, well, psychologically, so to speak, suffered precisely because the plane worked on them, probably with... variables somewhere, well, for an hour with the small guns of their thirties, like a machine gun, but the accuracy, i think so i understand shooting yes yes very high intensity of fire high and what are you doing

they are shooting from a plane you are in a boat what are you doing from well, in fact, this is a crew of boatmen, well, they showed excellent aerobatics, guys, unfortunately, they are not in our division, but in a neighboring one, i will tell you, in principle, all that remains is to maneuver in fact, because then i am with they weren't, i was in the other boat that was covering, but had to pull away because the fuel ran out, uh, yeah, in that situation, when they stayed there and we went back for fuel, whatever happened this

is an attack. it was not a pity, for example, that you have fuel ended, and there were boats right there, that was it, so i was driving the guys to move towards them faster, then with appeared with... they were able to report that the su-25 was working on them, and we just flew to them to the meeting to help, but by then the dry truck had already returned to the airfield, and the guys were just leaving the sector, we met them, but there was also a shootdown, well, you say that the unknown, so not a shootdown, not quite a shootdown, when we sailed and we began to practice... also with machine guns, simply raised the stinger, began to aim, and

when he had already arrived, made a launch, the su-25 began to turn in the other direction and leave the missile's range, there was a flash, an explosion, but after intercepts it turned out that he was damaged, but he was flying somewhere to some nearby airfield. they hit, well, yes, it turns out, well, this is already the second one, and in general , did you have a beating, no, no, not yet, i just recently connected to pezrk, ugh, yes, yes, well, i became a commander, if it concerns weapons, what kind of weapons do you have, how important is it that everyone worked out, yes, of course, they even trained with pturs, due to the fact that these all simulators are next to each other. why not, you can practice everything at once, learn, at least understand the principle of action, due to the fact that you never know when it may be needed, and again, the enemy technique that we

admire, why not use this technique , when it is in your hands, it can, for example, learn the technique of the enemy already in the process, needle, ugh. well, we just received a trophy, we took it, yes, yes, yes, so it was as if it started right there on the spot, someone remembered something, someone started a video смотреть, yes, yes, yes, yes, well, a good textbook, indeed, the majority , well, he helped, you went to the towers twice, yes, yes, and you knew that there were russians there, or there were no russians, you did not know, then they went out, not knowing whether there would be a nearby bi, there was no information, due to the fact that the flights that were conducted there did not show the whole picture, again , they could not look inside, so

they did not know anything concrete, during this operation, one of your comrades ended up in the sea, so they threw him out of the boat, so during the attack, and he also swam, but he knew that you would return for him, of course, you could all be killed, and there is one person here, he is our brother, how can we abandon him? in general, everything is very simple, have you seen this in russians? no, no, they saw that they took their two acres , well, again, these are their gerushniks, in bakhmut, exactly, but, well, i think that it is, well, quite appropriate and correct, because, well, how are we going to go forward with maximum

effort, if we understand that if someone gets lost or injured there, no one will save him, it is very difficult, probably because if our commander then gave us, well, as faithful as possible orders, he even invited, a rescue boat, an international one, on which fire is forbidden to us as well, and unfortunately it took off at 30, then started working on this boat, and even before they somehow found the canon, so to speak, then too, we worked on it, you don't like the sea very much anymore, not very much, not very much anymore, because you know, many people associate the sea with rest, and now the sea is your area of ​​responsibility, my wife even told me, so what? are we going to the sea again? i say

no, next time. you have clothes, here are yours military, was different from your classic, no, no, not at all, eh, besides , when we started, it was quite such warm times, the temperature was normal, terrible, but normal, and when we finished, it was still very passable and needed was, well, just like in principle in work on land, hortex, there are some waterproof things and that’s it, you mentally prepared yourself that you can swim for a long time, if you have to, probably after the second or third dive, yes, at first, well, it looked so that we came here once, worked out,

turned and left. continue to work, now there is something that was still scary? uh, it's scary, generally only for family and siblings, it's very difficult to lose friends and loved ones, aren't you afraid of the dark? no, no, the darkness is your friend, or on the contrary, your enemy, but for a special agent, a friend is always a friend, and in general, all our work must and does take place at night, it is quite appropriate. bahmud, ugh, another destination, yes, twice our unit worked there, it was the end of december, and the other time i just didn’t go because i was in rehabilitation, yes, after a concussion, yes, yes, yes, what happened, it fell off,

where did you get the contusion, what kind of bib is it? residential sector, then they were working on fortifications, on strengthening the zsu line, they stood with us on the espeshke, in principle, well, at first everything looked normal, just such a small firing range, and then the enemy somehow began to break through, to control him somehow there was a strong hold, well without a heavy person there, it didn’t work out, accordingly, he approached, well closely, in the end it was already towels that followed these mobs, that’s a very big contrast, really they stand out very strongly, because there it is clear that the main mass is running there in the trunks of some incomprehensible simply, here in the alleys, and right there is the second body kit, well, the equipment

of the maximum level, plus, on the other hand, as if the landings were seen as combat instincts , but i understood that they did not participate in these assaults then, i only represent mobs, and in principle, for 12 hours, they tried to take this espeshka of ours six times, broke through the neighboring, continuous so-so mines constantly ags, 80s and 120s mines, in principle yes they were constantly flying in, they, well, normally through... it seemed that something was flying there every minute, at the end they were already throwing grenades over the fence, i am saying that they already came close to us, but when they knocked out a position from the right side, as it were , had to go to their aid , take them away, lead them to our position, and then

the aircraft arrived, specifically in the courtyard and the mines were laid and the ags, six shells each, as it were, two ages. worked, as a rule, three projectiles are fired, everything is as if a fully aimed position in the yard, it is necessary retreat, plus we have 2/3, it turns out, i was on the cover, they began to move out slowly, so as not to crowd too much, eh, but at the same time retreat, because we would simply be closed from two sides and cut off completely, that’s it so that this did not happen, as if everything began to shift one by one, i then took cover, i was about to be replaced, roughly speaking , but i could see the position better, i only turned to go there, and immediately an rpg explosion went off, and it turns out , i

was standing by the wall like this, huh, huh accordingly, when he turned away, she immediately laid me down on my back, sprinkled not... with stones, sand, earth, but , well, it was a somewhat heavy condition then, and it was heavy, something determined, as if из общения картины удиденоно, and you didn't think about the fact that the grushniks were used for the fact that they simply understood that there was a hillock, everything, most likely, maybe because of this, the line probably did not move, in general, yes , skirmishes constantly, constantly, assaults, but what assaults, that is, we can sector there clean up, roughly speaking, well, one quarter , but in fact, then the prazhiv side

also makes the same attack and repulses it , so we constantly maintain such neutrality, well, in principle, as now in the majority. if this is more of a positional war, such a war is obtained, and what kind of special unit could it be? it is not known that you had no visual or conversational contact with them? there was, there was visual contact, conversations, well, it would be inappropriate to use such words there, but you were talking, so confusing. everyone shouted, they, they, that we are all the time we're killing here, in general, that's how close you were, over the fence, huh, and for the scout , it's not a failed task, a failed one, but then

they were performing their duties already then, infantry, yes, yes, in general, this, tya infantry , just like that, this is what makes them infinitely possible, well , considered to be heroes, because they actually stand to the end - few understand the meaning of these words. do you notice to yourself, for example, oh, this is a talented person, of course, of course, we

invite most of them to us, yes, but the majority also refuse, friends, close, commanding, says, well... i can leave, that's it my brothers, when you fight with people that you know, that you understand, and i guess, well, you feel them on some ee level that psychic, when you you know what, he ran there, so i'm going there, huh, you don't have this time to think , where to do what, everyone knows everything, how long do you need to make a decision, and when you make these decisions about the operation, before operation, when you are preparing: is it already at the moment when the operation, how much is the effect

of surprise, this is more of a question for me command, shoot even, blow at the plane, right away, i have a task to make sure that the guys are safe, so that the enemy's aircraft do not start working on them, because of this, as usual, when i receive a report that it is our plane, not ours , and when we get information that it is accurate. not ours, we work immediately, you have most of those that we know about, special operations, several units of special forces are called, it is both the gur and the sbu can interact, the sssu, and you say that it is important for the team, that is he only moved somewhere, i already know where i should run, but how is it, well, you and these people, maybe you were not familiar with it before, but still there are talented people, we, when...' interact and

work, some we have the same general characteristics, they know everything very well, and if they start to move in one direction, they understand that we are bypassing there, that means from the flank , if we are entrenched, we conduct barrage fire there, then again they already start working on the enemy from his rear , so far they are bypassing, but there is no competition, competition and. who is more handsome? no, uh well, i definitely don’t, but if it was a war, we are fighting for our home, why put on some kind of competition, apparently, so that there would be competition, it ’s just that everyone has to give 100% of themselves to this cause and we will win, energodar, again there were boats, is that you already, when the quartan and the military reconnaissance were going, did you think that you would be more on the water than on land?

no, no, no, no, here's the energy gift, and the boats and again it was cool as far as i understand, very, yes, you had to be in that water, yes, many times, and many times we were, well completely wet, yes, there were no good skippers, probably because of this. because even i rode there a couple of times, when i was on a boat, i realized that i was speeding up, a wave was coming after me, uh, well, the gas was completely reset, almost to zero, well, it’s impossible, because it’s a wave nakroet, ugh, just the logic is banal, i wouldn’t have thought of it, they didn’t just understand all of this, yes, the guys didn’t even think about it either, because... there, if he ’s standing at the wheel in front, what’s with the steering wheel, there with

all things, a speed lever, and he doesn't even have one he understands and does not notice that we are just being flooded with water, yes, and we are suffering from inflammation, ending with severe conditions, yes, but we continued to perform the tasks, of course , i will not ask about the tasks, probably, can you tell me already, probably no, uh, okay, but weren’t you afraid that there was a nuclear power station nearby, the russians could blow it up, and that’s radiation, and we wouldn’t feel anything, even so, that is , you didn’t think about it, or joked with each other, joked constantly, well, that's just such a plan, like, and you don't worry there, so what they worry, well, if it's just hundredths of seconds, you won't get caught, but this is important, this is the question of captivity, you have already somehow predicted for yourself what you will do,

captivity or not captivity, and then what? well, we have a situation where mostly the guys sacrificed their lives to avoid being captured , unfortunately, shurik was recently caught, he already had a hard time there, maybe it will be a little easier, now we will interact, we will talk. that they will try to take it away, return it as quickly as possible, because he really has a heavy one the situation that when everyone saw him, they thought that he was a colonel, someone else, and he was a soldier, yes, and they simply did not believe him physically, oppressed him morally and physically, you take him prisoner, you don't abuse prisoners, no, no, why? anger, hatred, which drives

you not to abuse the captured russians, because what kind of response can you get when... atrocities are committed by the enemy, well, that's half of it, yes, maybe in some cases there will be an answer reaction, and it will be very cruel, but it is more inhumane , again, after all, there is hope for the fact that there is some kind of subordination regarding the prisoners, so that they are not tortured, yes of course, and accordingly we try to show by example that we we don't touch your people there, we don't mock them, we don't beat them, we don't torture them. it is necessary, when you

take prisoners, what do you interrogate them, mainly which group of troops? rank, documents, accordingly, we immediately take away, wrap our eyes, hands, and everything, then pass it on in a chain, then, what do they tell you, first, basically, save, help, don't kill, that's how they usually speak mostly, do they surrender themselves, or do they attack you, for example, do you have to take them in battle? half of their group has been knocked out, half of them just drop their weapons and say, all of us are not ours , it’s not our business anymore, that is, when you have already struck a blow at the enemy, there are still some of them, roughly speaking half, less, more, well, they just break down psychologically, one person throws a weapon,

followed by all the others, as a rule, yes, that is, it is necessary. the first, yes, yes, yes, yes, here, ah, there were such cases that yes, we crossed the line, then we went from the rear, and then they were just like, hey, brother, come here, call someone, say , look, here, well, you understood who we are, he looks, takoy, a, understood, everything, here, without a shot, without anything, yes, yes, yes, yes, in such a calm voice, yes, patience. calm is your main features now and how important are they in your work? i'm an impatient and restless person, in fact, at work i try to be like that as much as possible, because in general i'm quite hot-tempered, and it's hard for me to have this first impulse, so to speak, depressed, i'm on dear, for example, i drive a car and

constantly jump out of it, because someone does something wrong. yes, yes, yes, i try to tell, teach, and then it just takes time, but in your work, as i understand it, the most important thing is patience, yes, yes, so i try my best in business, well yes, in my personal life, of course, this does not work, mainly the main intelligence management, they made a project like, i want to live, yes, yes, yes, and with some, we even communicated with russians, i communicated with a russian who is from russia came, well, he didn't... he didn't have time to fight and he came from russia anticipating that he might be sent to ukraine to the front, but have you had such cases, when you addressed yourself in such a way that they understood who you were and asked to surrender under this project, but we basically just throw him there by default right away, for you, it already means that they want to live, if they raised their hands, well, yes, yes, they have already

surrendered, why continue, and they are not afraid, what? they won't be traitors there, they can be beaten with a sledgehammer, i don't know, really, but probably they want to live more, even if they are tormented a little there, but at least life will stay with you, and you study the actions of the enemy, so we constantly monitor, we follow, study, because they do the same thing in fact, why? now everything has slowed down a little because of the fact that they also started to look at our works, on our operations that we do, and to do the same things, similar, then they learn from us, well, roughly speaking, yes, but is it difficult to defeat yourself? er, yes, yes, in addition to the fact that,

in general, common language is already