[000:00:00;00] and it gives a result, but if, and by the way , why is it wrong? , or they did not want to do it, yes, because, apparently, for some reason this project was singled out and transferred to another in the defense did not want to do it, or were they unable? well, it will remain somewhere in the cabinets of the cabinet of ministers, but if this were done with all products, would we have equipment, yes yes yes we have, i will say an unpopular thing, look, in our country, churchill seems to have said that the new fascists will call themselves

anti-fascists and fascists. our new corruptors are anti-corruptors, but we are already at such a stage that we will blame each purchase on someone for digging this process, any manufacturer can be disassembled into pieces, yes, at the same time, we import everything in a row and no one analyzes, and does not compare, yes, at the same time, domestic production, this is exactly what taxes and other things are. we can turn to the practice of western countries, which is the same there turkey in turkey, now, turkey until 2020 was, 2019, i'm sorry, according to the stockholm institute for research, peace, was in the top 10, and if accurate, somewhere in recent years it was number six in the world, as an importer of arms, an importer, now turkey is among the top ten

exporters. er, in turkey there is no er restriction on profits, yes, there they sell their equipment to their own ministry of defense quite expensively, because they understand that it is taxes, jobs, technology, development and so on, the same thing we observe in europe, er, i won't reveal, but the european countries that supply us with weapons, supply them to ukraine cheaper than they sell to their own ministry of defense er in their own country, and that's it. it is considered normal there, it would no longer be considered normal in our country, we would already have problems, significant problems, in this regard, so fighting for the cheapest, proverbially, i don't know how to say it in ukrainian, yes, well, we can come to the point that we will provide our armed forces not with the highest quality, but with the cheapest, i am not so rich to buy

cheap said one of the american presidents, you probably meant that, yes, well, i'm not saying buy them expensive, i'm saying buy them at market value, and don't fight for the plan to buy the cheapest on the market for the military , the armament of the second innovator has also been improved, instead of a turret on the roof, from now on it can also be equipped with a combat module with remote control. then the gunner will fire from inside the car thanks to the joystick and the monitor, controlling the 12.7 mm machine gun. connected to the monitor thermal imaging camera, so you can destroy the enemy even at night. by the way, this camera distinguishes targets at a distance of up to 2 km. but depending on the combat tasks, the armament of the second innovator can also change. for example, instead of a machine gun , the car can be equipped with an anti-tank

missile system. how did it happen that the company ukrainian armored vehicles, as a matter of fact, switched from armored vehicles, or in addition to armored vehicles, to the production of mortars, and after, i don’t want to say, one must say it carefully, after supplies, after problems with the supply of hammer mortars, the niche was absolutely not occupied by anyone, this is the first such marketing, secondly, everyone says that mortars are easy to produce, but uh, in fact, they are not easy to produce and pass government tests for more than two years, we passed tests with a mortar caliber 120 mm, er, well, it was such a diversification of business at

that time, and there was no occupation. nothing, but it must be said that mortars are only the first step towards development, the company planned to produce mortars and mortar shots for them, and had, developed, started, passed state tests, put into service mortars and developed, put into service a 60-mm mine, conducted research and development work on 82 -mm mines, already at the time of the start of full-scale formation, we also passed tests of a 120-m, millimeter mine, and this is just for example, mine 60 is the only munition that was strictly put into service in ukraine before the full-scale invasion, a mine munition. and now the company produces components, mortar rounds, for mortars and

is trying to fill this entire line, there were several tragic cases with ukrainian molot mortars, you did not have such situations, did you manage to take into account the so-called critical errors in the production of those mortars, well, this is more a question for the customer, for operation, since the critical cases that were then, it was all connected with the operation, it was double loading, mortars, therefore, we still have tfu-tfu-tfu, and there is no supply or quality of mortars, they are used in large numbers, end users, with the same let's say, with the same parameters of quality and reliability. can state-owned enterprises in the field of defense be effective at all?

maybe, maybe, there are efficient enterprises that are managed by the state as an effective owner every day, it is possible, no, in slovakia it is possible, we see, yes, in serbia it is possible well, not really, in slovakia, public enterprises work mixed with private ones, and this is one of those public-private partnerships, such good, good examples of achievement results, we cooperate with him and there we know a little from the middle of everything , how it works, it is radically different from ukraine, and in general, the system is built in ukroboronprom, it is not... efficient, but state-owned enterprises can certainly be

, effective, and effective, if it is correct to approach this process, how much does one 120-millimeter mine cost, in different ways, about 2,000. gr . realizes that it costs money, and a lot of money at that, but the reverse side , the military should not think about how much they spend, here it should be thought by those who have to provide them, so that they use as much as they can. they need it for defense, and not so much that they think there, what, how much money they shot, presidents, prime ministers have recently announced the creation

of joint production, including armored vehicles, in ukraine with the participation of leading serbian arms concerns, how much is it maybe what do you think? i think that it is absolutely possible, and it will be, a year ago, western companies understood that we are becoming a world-class consumer, yes, ukraine is now in the first or second place, i think, among the world importers of armed military equipment in terms of the spent budget for with the funds spent not taking into account aaa mtd, material and technical assistance that we receive free of charge from our partners , that is, we are a very substantial consumer, er, and we this

equipment, it is either destroyed or exploited, we do not need to maintain it in working condition, so everyone understood it, since the summer of this year, ah, western companies, american, european, began to very actively look for ways to enter ukraine, ways to organize here, their representative offices, organization of joint ventures, this process is very active , when you as a country, we as a country appear in the strategy of some company whose income is more than the budget of ukraine, well, that is, we have already become the goal, we will be achieved, it is a question of how and when, but we have already become, we have become in pri'. these companies,

organize production here, if we are this happened, then we will already check the box that it will be, why it is useful, because they should involve our specialists, they should involve our production sites, organize production sites, that is, in general, it is very positive for ukraine, it is for capital, this is the involvement of technology, this is the involvement of the best global rights and practices in management, production, with the organization of production and in capital management, so it is absolutely positive, and it will definitely be, by the way, about the repair, the defense forces of ukraine received from western partners, yours, yours

competitors, so to speak, competitors, competitors of the innovator, but you really have specialists, you have capacities, would you be interested in getting involved in the repair of these foreign armored vehicles that are used by the ukrainian military at the front and the need for repair is really urgent? it is interesting, we are engaged in this, we also supplied armored cars of other manufacturers, not only our own. for imports, and we provide their support, and in addition, we all need to understand that we need to expand, the line, expand, if our service capabilities ukrainian, since western manufacturers , at the moment, will not make service centers here in ukraine, we thank them anyway for organizing such service centers near ukraine, even in border countries, but nevertheless, we need to make

the shortest possible logistics , the shortest possible logistics arm, because if we spend a lot of time there on moving and repairs, it will be inefficient, in connection with which, for example, our company minimizes the delivery of equipment to us for production and maximizes exactly service teams and repairs at the forefront of our technology. the same should be done with western equipment. in general, the manufacturer gives the maximum speed of this car on the highway at 110 km/h, but this armored car can go easily on the highway at 130-140 km/h if necessary. but i want to emphasize, of course, that for this car

is very important. braking maneuver, i.e. you have to brake here especially, you have to get used to it, that you are not driving a passenger car after all, that you are not driving a broken-down used jeep that your friends drove to you from abroad, you are driving a heavy one after all nine-ton armored vehicle, and therefore braking, especially on the track, should be considered. and very carefully, just press the brake pedal and make this big, powerful car brake, it won't work , you have to brake carefully here, a month ago you actually accused the leadership of the state audit service of ukraine of working for the enemy, the actions of the state audit service have signs sabotage against the military-industrial

complex and the defense forces of ukraine, you stated at the press conference what happened between you? there is nothing between us, something happened to them by the customer, at that time, we knew about the results of the audit that was conducted by the ministry of defense, the minister spoke about this openly from july and talked about this problem, that it existed, at that time we knew that the state the bureau of investigation is falsifying the case against us, and arguing it by the losses caused by the ministry of defense, by making a profit, according to all the legislative and regulatory standards that were in force at the time, that's why we went out, i went to a press conference and reported it, on now

we see that the same position regarding state enterprises, in relation to rocket-building enterprises, yesterday we saw the address of the office of... the president to the prime minister, with rocket-building enterprises, there are three enterprises, that's why, at the conference, at my press conference on september 15, i said that this is a general problem , this is not the problem of the ukrainian armored vehicles, in this matter, it is the problem of the ministry of defense as a customer, and it is the problem of all the suppliers who supplied the ministry of defense, why is this sabotage, because it cannot be, the procurement system is a crime, it is not, in our country the same there were no enterprises, some of which received profit, some did not, according to

the current regulations, the profit was paid equally to all, that is, the state audit service wants to subvert the chair. er, the purchase of military equipment during wartime, how to interpret it, well, let the investigation interpret it, ah , a crime is another, it is someone who has to do something special in order to obtain some benefit there or cause damage and so on, the system cannot procurement to be a crime, the system itself, the first, the second, clarifications given by the ministry of economics, all resolutions to which we referring to, acted on, all the resolutions we refer to acted on, the verkhovna rada's profile committee sends an appeal to the cabinet of ministers to settle the situation, since all the resolutions were in effect, the state auditor recognizes the loss, the verkhovna rada votes and says that first of all, what for

why is it important, because in our country the law stands on top of by-laws, but the executive documents of the cabinet of ministers are by-laws, the first supremacy of the law, and the law on defense procurement and clarification, this resolution of the verkhovna rada, this law, says that enterprises could and should make profits during wartime, even during the 335th decree: rule of law. due to what you called the subversive activities of the state... audit service, you appealed to the president, to the prime minister, they heard you, all the participants heard us, because look, we said that there was an explanation from the ministry of the economy, yes, the ministry of economy gives a clear explanation that profit should be taken into account, the ministry

of economy is the department that controls the use of budget funds in the field of defense, ah, we turned to the ministry of strategy and industry. they also see the committee, the profile committee of the verkhovna rada, and even the verkhovna rada voted and supported the specified resolution of the verkhovna rada in the first, from the very first time, it seems, by a large, large number of votes, so they hear us, they understand us, but it seems to me , they cannot, let's say, cannot find the right solution, what to do with i am not saying that the state audit service is conducting subversive activities, i am saying that it seems to be sabotage, since it cannot be considered a system procurement is criminal, the system, the system itself, because it is defined by the cabinet of ministers resolution and other normative documents, at the recent arms exhibition in poland, where you

demonstrated the second version, or the updated version of the innovator, and was there interest from foreign partners, why do you they said at the exhibition there was interest, it was always there for innovator, we had a number of export contracts at the time of the full-scale invasion, there were about six contracts that remained unrealized due to the full-scale invasion and martial law, and including, a ten-seater innovator, this is a car that created such a certain... certain interest, and it should be noted that not only from the side of our traditionally our market, there are african countries, arab

countries, er, and asian countries, quiet, pacific, asian countries, of the pacific region, and these are our traditional markets, our non-traditional markets are precisely europe, but at the exhibition at the moscow state university, they were interested in cars from european countries, which was very unusual for us, and it is. .. let's say such promising directions, but, on unfortunately, due to the full-scale invasion, due to the martial law, we are not prioritizing or developing, we are not dealing with the issue of exports, but we are dealing with providing our own armed forces with the maximum number of cars, and here it is just necessary, the internal customer needs to work on this as well. to fully load, because there will be

, let's say, a paradoxical situation can be created, when enterprises of the defense-industrial complex are not allowed to supply for export, while not ordering the entire possible volume of production inside the country, that is, there must be a balance here, and we need to work with this balance, at the moment we are ready to, let's say, we can produce more than is currently contracted. all the main options are placed here on the front panel, light control, turning on the infrared view, which allows you to drive in complete darkness, the image is also displayed here on the monitor, heating of the glass, mirrors, well, that is, according to the number of options. the second innovator can easily compete with modern jeeps not cheap

business class, huge side mirrors give excellent view and bullet-proof glass windows, despite the fact that they are made of a small size, also give an excellent view. in general, i have the impression that this is a very unique combination of power, safety, and comfort, at the same time, in one car, this is the second innovator, a ukrainian armored car, your company is called ukrainian armored vehicles, but now because of... a full-scale invasion of russia, how much is this armored vehicle truly ukrainian, i.e. what percentage of localization, actual ukrainian

production, and what part of components are you buy abroad, of course, that a certain part of the equipment, cars, namely, for example, the basic chassis, is bought abroad, since there is no engine production in ukraine. what is the percentage, if i finish the question right now with an answer. we buy, for example, basic chassis, we make, for example, our novator car based on the ford f550 chassis, it takes about a third of the cost of the car, why can’t we do this in ukraine, because in ukraine, through, i myself before i got into this field, worked in

the automotive business, so i can long talk about it, so blame me, in ukraine, unfortunately, as of today , not a single car factory that we had is working, we had a market, the car market of new cars, 6000 cars in 2008, we had four full-fledged factories in ukraine, er, in order to organize the production of engines, it is necessary to produce at least 200-3000 units per year , unfortunately, we do not have such a market, so we do not produce engines in ukraine, we do not produce gearboxes, ae we do not produce full-fledged machines, therefore, it is an imported component, er, er, the rest is made in ukraine, for the most

part, and it is just there, well, there is a set. by imports, but we can talk about significant localization, it is from there 30 to 50%, on products, but this is what concerns cars, which concerns, for example, a mortar, and it is almost entirely ukrainian, you, your company also announced the development of such spruce complex, what about it? and we did not declare it, we carried it out, we did it, it was... one of, it was one of the research and development works that the company did, or not the only one that was done with funds for state funds, it was produced, it passed the stage of state tests, and at the stage of state tests we had a war, so it is currently frozen, and because of

military actions, the state test commission... is not going to be held, it is not being held. the spruce complex is a mobile mortar complex, based on a guard vehicle, with the possibility of using two types of mortar calibers, this is a 120 mm barrel and an 82 mm barrel, with automatic targeting, er, rapid deployment, er, rapid deployment on terrain, er, advantages - this speed, mobility, lack of, let’s say, the need to aim for a long time at the target and so on, these are its features, well, security for personnel and operators, but it has such a powerful polish

competitor, and so unofficially, as if it is given to it advantage. in procurement, well, since spruce is not a completed project, and it has not passed state tests , of course, that, let's say, it is not implemented in procurement now, and the rak mortar complex, it is a slightly different concept, and it, that's all - still passed testing and en masse, supplied to the armed forces, we need to go through a similar road in ukraine, as we plan to use mobile mortar complexes, because it is precisely the concept of application that is important here, since mobile mortar complexes are much more expensive than conventional mortar complexes, and here the question shall we say, the availability of the budget, for such exclusivity, for such systems, these so-called snags that are actively used

by the military, this small one... you plan to replace, maybe make some ukrainian development that would replace these used suvs, which, well, wear out little by little and need to be replaced with something, and we have already talked to you about this, about the research and development work of saihak, it was a pickup truck, if you mean it, a pickup truck , which met the technical requirements of the customer, but since ... it was not implemented, these technical requirements were canceled, so at the moment it is the customer, i mean the armed forces of ukraine and the ministry of defense of ukraine, there are no technical, there is no such project, but how supply of such alternative vehicles, therefore, of course, as it will be, we will implement it and present what they need. tell us a little bit about this saiga, how

can a saiga replace the good old frontals? it. this is a pickup, modified, a pickup-type vehicle, modified to meet the technical and technical characteristics required by our military, as it was in 2021 , the ministry of defense announced a tender, companies participated in this tender, then it provided a tactical and technical task, and under this tactic -technically, we presented the car, what was its feature, in that that the car that we presented, developed, presented, was also with nato test certificates, according to nato standards in states, in certain