conduct a preventive conversation in a timely manner, and i think it is possible to stop some contradictions that spill over into large-scale wars in social networks. well, this ultimately affects the adoption of certain decisions, because one way or another, well, the current government, it looks at the reaction of social networks, looks at sociological surveys, but the security service of ukraine, despite everything, is busy... with its own business, in response to danilov's accusations that there are russian agents or spies there, including in the ssbu, the ssu refutes this and says that during in 22-23 years, more than 2,000 traitors were exposed and more than 300 agents of foreign special services were identified, in particular, among the exposed persons, former current people's deputies viktor medvedchuk, andriy derkach, oleksandr ponomarov, oleksandr dubinsky, the ex-leader of the main. to the sbu line in crimea, oleg kulinich and

others, danilov said that he was misunderstood by the authorities, that he had nothing against the sbu, because the sbu is sufficiently qualified to work now and works with agents of the russian federation. given the list of agents mentioned by the security service of ukraine and not mentioned, because here we are talking about more than 300 agents of foreign special services, whom you ... in 22-23 years, obviously, we do not know all the cases, and many cases are closed, what percentage of spies, agents of influence, in your opinion , may still be in the ukrainian authorities, and in what way they can be overcome, exposed , brought to justice, because it is clear that the russian federation did everything to ensure that there were as many of these agents of influence as possible, and it is obvious. not everyone has been cleared

yet, look, we have, there are several categories that can be graded a lot, you know, on all gradations, but i would name the three biggest, the first is the agency , which is disposable, that is, it is for some specific tasks and we see them, massively exposed by the security service, these are some, well, the so-called er, the so -called adjusters there , some scouts who can move from place to place there, these are people who, well, no, they are not very expensive and can be found very quickly, how to find them is another question, then there is a category of people who did not hide that that they are pro-russian, it's the same, those the very deputies of the supreme council of the communist party of ukraine, those whom you called

medvedchuk, rabinovych, and derkachi, and those who, or, well, other people who actively promoted the so-called russian peace in our, in our, well, in ukraine, in our consciousness , saying that this is all normal, but there is a category of active or passive agents who, no, are not exposed. and they can be at the highest levels of power quite and quite covertly , that is, they are persons who may have undergone special training, perhaps they do not actively manifest themselves, they, er, can, i don’t know, there, roughly speaking, to wear embroidered clothes in a good ukrainian language, to tell how they love ukraine, to actually work for the enemy, this is the most dangerous, agents

and, unfortunately, there may be more, well, not so much to say that there are many, but they may be scattered throughout many branches of government, and we will have to work for more than one year to discover them, unfortunately, this is the kind of system that always works, always, because i always give an example, kim philby, who worked all his life in vinchondrose. connective kingdom and at the same time worked for moscow, so even such a specific service as mi-6, no, this is mi-5, is not safe from traitors, and we just have to understand that we have to work tirelessly, so that life goes on, ukraine will always be there, and traitors must be found, whether we want it or not, just the same. mr. general. you have already

mentioned the people's deputies of ukraine, who are now trying through the venice commission to block the adoption of the law on religious organizations, and to put it simply, what prohibitions of the moscow patriarchate, and there are 44 deputies, here my colleagues from the movement honestly published 44 names, those people who wrote an appeal to the venice commission, and there are quite a lot of names, yuriy boyko, serhiy lyovachkin, maksym buzhanskyi, artem dmytruk, yevhen shevchenko , hryhoriy mazurashu, pavlo halimon, well many many, 44 people, that’s enough 1/9 of the verkhovna rada publicly opposed this law and they are now trying to appeal, or let’s say, they will explain that they want to get approval for this through the venice commission of the law, taking into account the way in which

people's deputies of ukraine oppose this law in ukraine, is this not a reason for the same...' the security service of ukraine should look more carefully at these people and what are the motives of each person who does this, and how it will affect the same internal stability in ukraine, because the failure to adopt this law can lead to destabilization as well as the actual adoption, well, here is such a specific situation, in order to send this document to the venice commission. not necessary at all collecting signatures, this is more of a pr action, it all depends on the leadership of the verkhovna rada, whether it will send it or not, it can send it before the second reading, it can send it after the adoption of the law, it already depends on the leadership, there is a nuance,

the bill was introduced personally, the president, it is urgent, there are significant... additions that the security service wants to make there, therefore, if someone wants to oppose this law, he is, in fact, opposition first of all to the president, then to the security service, and part, part, of the leadership of ukraine , who supported him, in particular, the cabinet of ministers through the relevant committee. i think that society will remember these names, although the vast majority are so famous, i think that the security service has been watching these people for a long time, the problem is, the problem is that we need evidence, we need evidence not of their activities , anti-ukrainian, and the fact that they perform these tasks not at their

discretion, yes, actually at the instruction of moscow, unfortunately, documenting such things is quite difficult. the initiative of these people is clear if they will begin to act and these actions will lead to the stabilization of the situation in the state, there are other articles that can be endorsed by them, but , unfortunately, not treason, although the elements of treason, treasonous position and treasonous actions are definitely manifested in them, the non-regulation of this the question, mr. general, i mean... the situation surrounding the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, how does it threaten ukraine? destabilization, they continue their activities that destabilize the situation in ukraine, they continue agitation, they continue to try to get into those or

other communities, to influence these communities, in particular the military, there are relevant data that they mimic, i don't know, dress up. in some volunteer formations, try to show that they are all very good, and climb the demarcation line, in order to have communication, he does not know for what, can contact people, at the front, can get some additional information about that or other activities, there are many moments, and one must understand that there are regions that, in fact , remained, well, in such a vacuum. and there is no such some kind of rhysian movements regarding changing the situation in favor of the orthodox church of ukraine, this is primarily transcarpathia and bukovyna. thank you, mr. general, for the conversation, it was general viktor yagun. friends,

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congratulate you, thank you for joining us ether congratulations, mr. serhiy, i would like to congratulate your espresso on its tenth anniversary, i am glad to be with you for these 10 years, because i think that ukraine needs professional independent news. thank you, mr. yevgeny, thank you for being with us for all these 10 years, let's start with our survey, how much are we asking. about the trust in the head of the armed forces of ukraine, this is connected with several statements of the last days, and david arahami and mariyana bezugli, representatives of the people's servants, you trust the head of the armed forces of ukraine, and if anyone doubts, and not trusts why he doesn't trust zaluzhny, i trust zaluzhny, immediately anticipating the question, i don't know him...' it's just that today is not the first time i've had a broadcast where we talk about bezugling, and accordingly i immediately

put dots over and, that i am not personally acquainted with zaluzhny, but the actions of this person, whose star rose after february 24, 2022, and the manner of public behavior, cause me to trust. i do not think that zaluzhny is not trusted as the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, i think that they are afraid to see him as a competitor in the presidential elections, but i deeply convinced that the industrious man, who is now fighting the most important war of his life, will not, i will use that verb, change himself into a presidential campaign during the war. i will explain why. he is

a professional soldier. in my civilian understanding, the military are people who are taught to give orders and obey orders. zaluzhny, as i have already said, met the war in the position of commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine. it was a huge burden of responsibility, true, but i never heard a word in more than 640 days of a large-scale intrusion that the lad would like to resign , or would like to become secretary of defense, remember these iterations about whether there could be something like that, or there couldn't be something like that, but i see that there is nothing like that, and so i'm glad. that in ukraine there is a whole cohort of generals who were formed already in

independent ukraine, formed after 2014 . russia greatly underestimated this factor and greatly underestimated it, and now we see that the situation is such that ukraine has a military ... summer and why does it bother anyone except for the kremlin, i honestly don't understand it. mr. yevgeny, from what bezugla says and from what arahamia says, it follows that for the year 2024 they did not see some kind of plan for luzhuj or the plan of the armed forces of ukraine .

those objections are also coming into the public sphere, which probably concern enough such painstaking behind-the-scenes work, because to present the plans of the armed forces of ukraine for the 24th year to the general public, even in the conditions of the entire parliamentary hall, is probably not reasonable at all, and to demand from him that that he there he was explaining to someone the plans of the armed forces of the armed forces of ukraine to bezuchi chirahami or dubinsky, god forbid, or buzhansky, god knew who malvina was, who buratino was still in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, how dangerous it is during the war, but let's go by the facts, let's try , at one time, maryana bezugla was very indignant at the presence of serhii lyovachkin in the committee on national security, although lyovachkin did not have access to secret documents, that is , certain materials could not reach him,

accordingly the question arises, i.e.... a person in this case and mr. rahamia and mrs. bezugla, who are calling for this, well, they accuse zaluzhny of not presenting this plan to the parliament, they pretend that they do not understand that there is admissibility to issues of secrecy, certain secrecy, there are certain restrictions and other things, that's one or two things: will you remember, and i know that you actively monitor the daily activities of ukrainian politicians, a similar concern of maryana bezuglai in the previous years, in the 20th, in the 21st, when the state defense order was not fulfilled or not fulfilled in ukraine, but the minister

of defense was then the other one was andrii taran, who has now become the ambassador of slovenia until you remember her angry speeches on this topic, calls for his resignation, of course she can talk about the fact that this is the prerogative of the president, i can remind you that the appointment and dismissal of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces is also the prerogative of the president , here i think that no one has any opinions, let me remind you that ms. maryana even then worked in the committee on security, defense and intelligence, so it's called double standards, i don't like it when in wartime they try to use double standards, it creates a situation when we willy-nilly think why it is like this and not otherwise, and who benefits from it,

maryana bezugla does not give me the impression of an independent person. an independent politician, the people behind her, they are pushing their own agenda, and this is bad in my opinion, i would not like what is happening today in this situation in the conditions of war with russia, i get the impression that people , who promote maryana beza in this way. they forgot about bucha, they they forgot about mariupol, they forgot about izyum and about many other war crimes of the russians, and those who do not give a damn about david arahamia, because arahamia also said a lot, which in the interview with natalia mosiychuk, we will listen to a few of his

statements, and then we will comment, on negotiations with the russian federation at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, since. arkhamiya was a member of this negotiating group, which conducted negotiations with the moscow delegation until april 22. in words, they were ready for much that, in words, we understood that everyone, each side has his game, well, that is, this whole game, directly depended on successes or defeats at the front, well , in words they said that everything. where were you there 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, accept, and that's all, and then in the details, that we will wait until you accept everything, and about johnson, who came to kyiv and almost everything, almost

everything, spoiled everything, they really, really, until almost the last , hoped that they would pressure us into... signing such an agreement so that we would take neutrality, this was the biggest thing for them, that he, they were too ready to end the war, if we take how finland is once there, neutrality and we will give a commitment that we will not join nato, only one point, well, in fact , the key point was this, everything else is there, cosmetic, political seasonings, such as denazification, the russian-speaking population and blah blah - blah, why doesn't ukraine... on this point, well, first of all, in order to agree to this point, the constitution must be changed, our path to nato is written in the constitution. secondly, there is no trust and there was not and there is no russians that they will do it, it could only be done if there are security guarantees, well

we couldn't sign something, leave, everyone would have exhaled there, and then they would come in, more prepared, because they came in not really prepared, yes, for such a thing, opposition, so we could only work on it when there is a hundred percent certainty that it it won't happen a second time, and there is no such certainty, moreover, when we returned from istanbul, boris johnson came to kyiv and said that we will not sign anything with him at all, and let's just fight, mr. yevgeny, i don't know , what they were talking about, what interlocutor david arkhamia, well about what he tells, it is enough, it causes a lot of emotions and questions, boris johnson came and said that we, we will not sign anything with them, that boris johnson should have signed with them, why is this group of negotiators at all was at those negotiations, what was their mandate of trust or status, which, in general, nothing is clear, but it will be two years from now, and this story

has not been spoken and explained, both for society, and for politicians, what was he doing there an outcast, what was arahamia doing there, that is, it is not, no, no professional negotiators, were at the negotiations, talked about something there, then remembered what is written in the constitution. that a neutral state should not be, how do you evaluate these explanations, in general, going public with similar clarifications, explanations, certain conclusions? bad assessment, mr. serhiy, because we are 20 months away, after these negotiations, they are trying to promote the idea that we could have agreed then, and then it would not have happened. further victims, further war, further many things, but we have to understand and we have

remember that when these negotiations were going on, the russians were killing peaceful ukrainians in buch and not only in buch, there is no direct direct connection here, it is simply a coincidence in this case, but a fact that we cannot deny, and you do you remember what, why these negotiations ended, because the war crimes in buch became known, and it became clear that it was impossible to conduct further negotiations, well, because it is impossible to negotiate with war criminals, and therefore now efforts to roll back the situation to 20 months back, and we could say, is the visit about boris, well, about the visit of boris johnson , so, well, in this way, david arahamia,

in fact, creates the assumption that there were some agreements, and putin, as you know, loves meetings to show documents that were apparently initialed by the ukrainian side, along with many other things, and boris johnson came and, so to speak, convinced them not to do this, that is, our subjectivity of our state is called into question, but there is another problem, the russian delegation could not sign anything, who was high ranking there? medinsky?

putin's adviser is a significant level, he is a person who was given the appropriate obligations, the appropriate opportunities, i have some doubts about this, that is, i think, i am practically convinced that russia wanted to squeeze ukraine on its own terms, she. wanted to obtain significant concessions from ukraine, which could then be traded and traded, and only the courage of our defenders and the successful actions of the defense of kyiv and the de-occupation of the kyiv region, sumy region, and chernihiv region caused a situation that russia was forced to follow, and and the negotiation situation became impossible. i don't understand why we are mentioning what could have happened, if

there is a decision of the national security and defense council, which is prohibited from conducting direct negotiations with russia, as of today... why do we say, how could it be? history does not know the conditional way. i am telling you this as a person who graduated from the faculty of history with honors. mr. yevgeny, do you remember putin saying about the document that he once showed, this is the document. in istanbul, they had to sign, arahamia says that there was no such document, there was no peace agreement, let's hear what he said, because it was demonstrative, you could already sign these treasonous agreements on the neutral status of ukraine, but as a firefighter , johnson came and said, no

agreements. that's how it was, only people who want to twist any event there for political purposes say that, so that we could sign, look, neither i could sign it, nor any member of the delegation, we didn't at all we even have the legal right to sign something, right, that is, it could only theoretically happen if there was a meeting between zelensky and putin, theoretically and sign something, then it would have to be ratified in the parliament, that is, when people say that, they only say it to the reader or the viewer, or the listener, which viewer was he talking about in your opinion, mr. yevgeny arahamiya from the reason for this story, that is, we didn’t have any opportunities, we couldn’t sign anything, we’re like, forgive me, like in the anecdote about the chinese cosmonauts who flew and you can’t press the buttons, they just flew and that’s it, well, then there is ... question,

that is, the ukrainian side was also taking time for holding negotiations, i know, i will say one thing, we are inside this process, the process of the russian-ukrainian war, the whole truth, often extremely unpleasant, we will know only after the end of the war, and probably. after the change of power in ukraine , and this must also be realized, that is why we live in such realities, you understand that as long as we are inside the process of this war, it is difficult for us to stop, abstract and look at what is happening to

us and around us. and i don't think that such searches are, you know, what could be, if, in an alternative history scenario, they play in favor of ukraine, we should in the current situation demonstrate consolidation for the sake of victory, not talk and we had a chance to stop the war. thank you, thank you, mr. yevgeny, we have to go off the air, it was yevhen magda, let me remind you that we conducted a survey during this program, we asked you about this, do you trust the head of the zsu, zaluzhny, please show the results of the survey, 95, yes 5 % don't trust us, then in 15 minutes we will have the second part of the program, we will have it victoria syumar, elizaveta esko and solomiya bobrovska, stay with us, we

will continue the voting in the second part as well. the temporary truce between israel and hamas in the gaza strip, when they exchange prisoners, will be extended for another two days. we are talking about this on bbc news ukraine live from london, i am yevgenia shedlovska. the truce, which was in effect for four days, is being extended for another two. during this time, hamas militants released dozens of hostages, but not all, while israel released more than a hundred palestinians from prisons. the temporary ceasefire in the gaza strip has been in place for four days, the first such truce between israel and the hamas group in a month and a half since the fighting began.