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we are looking for 16-year-old karina kanivets from the kherson region. her mother told us about the girl's disappearance. imagine, a woman does not know anything about the fate of her daughter for six months. i turned everywhere i could, i'm already screaming as much as i can, that's how they tied my hands and said "swim", here i am at the moment in such a situation. so it happened. that karina's parents separated long before the start of the war and lived separately. the girl permanently lived with her mother, but on the eve of the full-scale invasion, she was with her father, and when the russians entered, she found herself in the occupied territory from time to time, the woman says, she corresponded with her daughter on social networks, but in april the connection with karina mysteriously broke off. the girl stopped logging into her accounts, and no one knows where she is now.
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i have already written even here on this territory to search for a child, because i don’t know where to shout , how to find a child, i can’t, i am an adequate mother, for me a child is my life, the girl’s mother is now also in the occupied territory , but continues to do everything in her power to find her own my daughter, i want to appeal to everyone who has seen or who knows something about my child, who went missing and... comes out from april of the month of 2023, this is konevets karina igorevna, the date of birth is 9:08. if anyone has seen karina kanivets or knows anything about her possible whereabouts, do not delay and immediately contact the magnolia children's search service at the short number 1163. calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free. if it is suddenly not possible to call, write in the chat.
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child tracing service bot in telegram. i am asking my beloved child, so that if she sees, hears me, so that she speaks up, i am really looking forward to this, thank you to everyone who can help. this is just one story of a missing child. in general, since the beginning of the war, we have received thousands of appeals for help in the search. fortunately, most of the children have already been found, but the fate of many remains unknown. this especially applies to the temporarily occupied territories, where the work of the police is practically paralyzed, from which it is impossible to leave communication problems. anyone can help find missing children. take just a minute of your time and visit the magnolia children's tracing website. here you can view all the photos of the missing. who knows, maybe you will recognize someone and eventually help them find them. i also want to remind you that we are continuing the search for the 17-year-old. nadia shishkina,
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the girl disappeared on the first day of the full-scale war, and for more than a year and a half there was no news about her. i know that when it all started, the child was in the city of nova kakhovka in the kherson region, which is still the case remains occupied. maybe that's why the girl doesn't get in touch. therefore, i very much ask everyone who sees me to look carefully at the photo of hope. remember this face, if anyone suddenly saw the girl or knows where she might be, do not delay and call us on the hotline of the magnolia children's search service at the short number 11630, calls from any ukrainian mobile operator are free, or write to the chatbot of the children's search service in telegram. we've created a resource for you to report about any crime against a child, in any city, at any time, just go to the site and report, and we will launch
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greetings, good evening, i'm myroslav barchuk and this is a self-titled program, a joint project of ukrainian pen and the tv channel. today we will talk in this program about what it meant to be a ukrainian, a ukrainian ukrainian-speaking person, a ukrainian-speaking artist in soviet times, my guest today is serhii trimbach. serhiy trimbach, ukrainian film critic, film connoisseur, screenwriter, chairman of the national union of cinematographers of ukraine in 2009-2016, laureate of the state prize of ukraine named after oleksandr druzhenko in 2008 , the author of many publications devoted to the history and modernity of ukrainian cinema. congratulations, mr. serhiy. good health thank you for taking the time to talk to us. to be honest, serhiy trimbach and i initially wanted to talk about ivan dzyuba, about this film, the wonderful ivan and marta
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by serhii bukovsky, which was released and can now be seen in ukrainian cinemas. but then we realized that we will be talking about generations in general. the sixties, about poetic cinema, about actually, what is it like to be ukrainian in the soviet, in the soviet state, and here, i want to start with this, literally, a few days ago, we celebrated the 10th anniversary of the maidan, and our wonderful singer, maria burmaka, wrote a post on facebook about what it meant to be a ukrainian child, a ukrainian-speaking child in soviet kharkov, and not only in soviet kharkov, already... and after the collapse of the soviet union, now let's show this post, maria, here she writes such a post, and she also talks about how hard it is was to preserve the identity, it comes in the comments a person who previously, i understand that
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this is the host, yes, this person used to work, and the comment is as follows: excuse me, but what was forbidden in soviet ukraine, in the soviet union, on bills in all the languages ​​of the republics, one ruble, one karbovanets, on the coat of arms of the state, the proletarian slogan is also in all languages, in bookstores, i create a bunch of books in ukrainian in bookstores, the ukrainian state tv channel ut1, and a radio beam, girls in crowns and men in trousers and embroidered jackets were at every holiday, then we lived friendly, - writes a person in 2023 about the soviet era. mr. serhiy, here you are as a witness, you and i are already speaking as witnesses of the era , what it meant when we moved to kyiv in the late 60s, early 70s, what it meant at that time to be a ukrainian-speaking person in kyiv, what it meant at that time to be ukrainian-speaking, let's say kinoz.
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well, at that time i was studying at the faculty of philology, the ukrainian department, it was easier for me, because i, by definition, was oriented towards the sphere of ukrainian studies, the ukrainian language, and therefore we existed in a certain niche, i would say a cultural one, in a bubble, so and so that's why i felt it to a lesser extent and less acutely, and then i got married and my... wife, a fellow student, in 1972 i lived in rolyt's house of writers, well, accordingly , also a ukrainian-speaking environment, rolyt is actually a house of writers, which is currently on khmelnytskyi boulevard , bohdan khmelnytskyi street, and that, and now, and then it was lenina boulevard, lenina street, lenina street, that's why, well, it's clear, what can we say. we were watched when, because once you went to ukrainian philology, you mean what
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oriented, well, such a future bandera, yes, it means that you must be watched, one of our military training teachers said, you must be watched, that's right, the kgb audience, the kgb audience, well, we were to some extent proud of the fact that we were being watched , that we, that means the system is us, then be afraid, we are ukrainians, try us, well, at the turn of the 60s and 70s, there were still not some, then the end was, the era of this khrushchev thaw, some more all of them are liberal, i also felt this elation from the movie that we watched and parajanov, then at the end i watched the shadows forgotten ancestors, it was such a shock.
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cultural, aesthetic, and so on, here, poets were read, and vasyl symonenko, and drachi, lina kostenko, and so on, and so on , that is, we really were in bulbashka, some existed, and then towards the end, studies, it was 73 -th year, but then we already started and we, well, let's say, vasyl ovsienko, whom i knew well, who was a year older, with whom i lived in the same room in the dormitory, he was arrested, that is , we felt that we pushed out into this open space, yes, well, shcherbytsky at the same time headed, uh, ukraine and the outright russification had already begun, ukrainian cinema as such, ukrainian-language, ukrainian-centric cinema was practically under the ban since 1973-4 , huh.
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well, our idols, well, parodzhanov was jailed, not to mention, ivan dzyub was jailed for detention, and he was sitting on this volodymyrska street, i didn’t know, by the way, i thought that the kagabiysk prison was somewhere, later years later i will find out at ivan mykhailovych's, that he was sitting there in the interior, gluzman was also sitting there, and we walked past him to the bus stop, one of my fellow students, such a guy is funny, every time he put on his hat, he pulled deeper and said: they know me here, we , they knew us and we felt it, but at the end we already felt it as a threat, it was no longer funny here, there was no such distance, yes, but this russian-speaking space that surrounded us, well, more and more often we stumbled over it and collided with it. as already when, because students, this is such an environment, let's go, you have already started
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talking about the beak and about the tiny ancestors, and then we will start a little now with the beak, because just as you and i planned to talk about ivan mykhailovych, the beak, a wonderful film called ivan and marta, directed by serhii bukovsky, a ukrainian director who has already received the vasyl stus award for this film, was released, and it is actually a film about a couple about a couple, ivan and marta dzyuba, where serhiy trimbachis was a consultant, you were there, you were on the last birthday, there is in this film. where are you in the summer of 2021 on july 26, on july 26 you are celebrating ivan dzyuba's 90th birthday, so i understand that you belonged to the circle of people who we talked, we knew ivan and marta dzyub for a long time, let's start with how you remember this person, we know him as a brilliant intellectual, one of the best
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literary experts, cultural experts of ukraine, he is the author of more than 20 books about ukrainian culture, literature, one of the co-founders of the people's movement, and so on, a lot can be said about him, and if you remember ivan dzyuba, well, i met him at the end of the 80s, during perestroika, when all this was already happening, we were going somewhere, there was some cultural action, something cultural like that, well, like then, anyway there was a rumble, everything was noisy, reconstruction, and we were going somewhere, and i sat next to him, i knew him, of course, and it turned out that he knew me too, i say, i'm tripping, i know you, i 've read you, well, in the art of cinema there, as it turned out later, i was still then, or rather, i already knew it before, that he was also in the art of cinema, it was once published, just about poetic cinema, that later years later i was there, remembering
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him and remembering one such malicious article by a moscow friend. a critic who tried to debunk ukrainian mythopoetic cinema, i to use a more precise definition, ivan mykhailovych, he immediately began to tell me some things on this bus that surprised me, he says that now the class struggle has been canceled, but it was, that is, he began to say that stories are simplified, that is, they are canceled together ... some ideological taboos, but at the same time the history is simplified, no, they should be canceled, but at the same time it should not be simplified, should we not say that there were no class differences at all, that everything was normal, the ukrainian village generally lived , so without any of these things there and so on, the fact is that ivan
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mykhailovych was a man of leftist views, and there is, by the way, in the film about this. he is from the donbass and he did not marry until he was 30 years old, well, in those years it was not something so popular 30 - i was already married at 23, which is 23 21 23 , and here he is up to 30 and unmarried and he comes together with ivan drach and mykola vingranov. lviv , well, they will perform on such poetry tours there and all this he sees marta, well, who is an order of magnitude younger, young, beautiful, well, she is still beautiful now, well, what about photos at 20 years old it's just, i'm here, it's the case when you fall in love with this girl right away, er, and here is ivan mykhailovych, then just ivan, comes to
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visit on the same evening, acquaintance, on the same day and evening, and mother. marty says that i am asking for the hand and heart of your daughter, well, mother, it is clear that the thing has reacted as it should, he says, a year, in a year, come back, well, it is clear that on the very first day, well, a 30-year-old boy, this is not some kind of young man , brought, so that’s it, and marta volodymyrivna describes everything very precisely, well , she describes from... the worlds, how they descend, to me you know, it's interesting that when she talks about the fact that it was a party organized by iryna wilde, the writer, and she says that they talked a lot with wilde, and wilde , by the way, arranged many marriages, she
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was such a person who she, she understood that boys and girls, so ukrainian, of such character, and that they should get along. and when iryna wildat is the story of mrs. marta dzyube, when iryna wilde saw that someone was sad, and the girls were sitting there sad, she came and said: "girls, what are you miss you, and your united states of america will fall apart." and that's it, and for laughing, when, when this zat was, so double-minded, yes, that is, everyone understood what she was talking about, yes, but i'm curious, here you are talking about the leftist views of ivan dzyuba, then tell me this, here he is in 1965 writing, internationalism or russification, this big, big text, yes, this is a book where referring... to lenin's quotes, he proves, proves that, that there is no internationalism in the soviet union, but there is russification, then this means that
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he, it was a sincere book, he sincerely believed in leninism and in national, national, as it were, views and the concept of communism, in fact, yes, of course, and although at the same time, marta dzyuba also notes that ivan, er, was a fearless, brave person, and she even emphasizes that i am a galician, well, traditionally , galicians are liberals, they are brave people, ukrainians, and well, and donbas, of course, what can i say here, but, but here it turned out, he says that i, i was in two minds, that i knew that this should be said in such situations, here, and here you can and in a different way, i say, this was not the case with ivan, what he thought, he thought as he thought, so he spoke, under any circumstances, and he was a brave person, that means, but at the same time ivan mykhailovych himself more than once
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said, well, what, well, he was a naive person, er, and, but he believed in communism, yes, in communist leftist ideas, what are leftist ideas, that is, most ukrainian writers were national communists, that is, they believed that ukraine can be built with the help, with the assistance, with the participation of left-wing ideas, communist ideas, dovzhenko was like that, he believed until the very end that it was possible, uh, mykola khvylovy , before he shot himself, as is known, wrote a note before his death, which contains such words, not verbatim, but the point is that, i was, we were correct communists, why are we being killed now, but they were killed for even ... he did not understand, not because he was a communist, but because he was a ukrainian communist, that's dzyuba, he is a communist, ukrainian , and he, naively, well
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, that's what the donkihodstvotniks are, they then stormed this fortress, believing that well, they didn't want an independent ukraine at that time, or something like that, they wanted to be in this ukraine, in the ukrainian soviet. socialist republic, everything was properly organized, and he called, naively believing that this would lead to the fact that he would be listened to, that you probably haven't read lenin for a long time, then you should read it, so the quote, look, he is for the development of national languages, for the development of national cultures, and you , and you, and you act in the complete opposite direction, do you think that this happened, actually this is such, such... naivety, or was it connected with that these people, the sixties, they didn't understand enough what had happened to the renaissance , to the artists of the shot revival, that this
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information was closed, did they know it, no, they knew it all, they knew it all, but, they, you see, even in my family , well, i heard from childhood that lenin had everything right, it was just stalin, yes, and then stalin came, lenin, the whole trouble is that lenin died early, stalin came and this clique, which blamed everything, because it is necessary to return to lenin's foundations, the film, mykola mashchenko's commissars of the 70s, on what it stands that these commissars, even then , it was the 21st year, they had already discovered that the car had gone to the wrong place, and they heard the phrase that it was necessary to fire again from the cruiser aurora, well, the cruiser. who does not remember, it was already symbolic , that shot marked the beginning of the revolution, that everything must be canceled, rewinded, that is why ivan mykhailovych
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also had at that moment, in the mid-60s, some kind of illusion that it was necessary , we need to remove these, these mistakes, and then everything will be fine, if, if according to lenin, because lenin everything is right came up with, well, jesus christ more. everything is correct, read the gospel of the bolshivka, everything is written there, everything is fine, and then, and then his, there was also a story with, the premiere of those not forgotten ancestors, i will ask about this later, but it is the 65th year, he is writing the work of internationalism or russification, it is published in the west in many languages, and he was arrested in 1972 and spent a year and a half in this sizo of the kgb, which, as we said, is located on volodymyrska street in kyiv, i want to ask you about him. this is a letter
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of repentance that he writes, it must be said that he wrote a letter of repentance, ivan dzyuba, he had an open form of tuberculosis, he was very sick, and after a year and a half after e , after he served time, he wrote a letter, i will now quote a few lines of this letter, and he writes, he appeals, this is the 73rd year, so that you understand, he appeals to the presidium of the supreme soviet of the ussr with a request for pardon in particular and he writes about the profoundly erroneous, i quote it, understanding of a number of national problems, from everything that happened, writes dzyuba, i concluded, we must not forget that we live in a cruel world class ideological and political struggle, where there is no neutral territory, where one cannot be a little for the soviet government, a little for the politics
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of the communist party, a little against. so for us, for me it sounds terribly tragic now, because it is clear to me that this is written by a person who lives in a totalitarian society, and i think he also understood it then, sitting in this kgb office, what do you think about this letter of repentance, well, first of all, i think that i would be in his place, probably the same, i am not such a strong person, but imagine, that is, well this to spend a year and a half as a sick person with tuberculosis is it not a runny nose or not, not something like that, not a toothache, but temporary, it is a serious illness, by the way, marta married exactly such a man and who lived for 90 years, but i always tell men that you must to get married, if you are alone, you will not live, you are not the same as 90, and half of that term, women
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not only give birth to us, they regenerate us, so what, well, alfred hitchcock, the director of many such tough urban films, once said , that in my childhood there was an episode when i something there i was fined and my father wrote a note and asked me to take it to the police, i went to his friend, that friend read that he put me in solitary confinement for half an hour, i am for them. for half an hour i was scared after being scared so that i have been trying to pour out this fear for half an hour with these films all my life and he was not joking, we do not really understand what it is like to spend a month in prison there, anyone who has not experienced this is scary, even if there are some more they treat you liberally, so i wouldn't judge you in any way for that alone, that's why he made such a decision, because he would
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died, it's obvious, in the camps, you can imagine what it's like... well, we know what the camps are, they're not american prisons, and he would just, he chose life, i'm sorry, he had a sentence, his for his sentenced to five years of camps and five years of exile, he would not have lived so long if it were not for him, and therefore we must respect the choice of a person who brought, did many more things for ukraine , which would not have happened if he had died in the same. and look what happens, that is, this is a compromise, this is a compromise, i remember the poem, iryny zhelenko, iryna zhelenko, a wonderful poet, ukrainian, from kyiv, he, she wrote that the whole, intellectual, intelligentsia of kyiv and lviv, where he appeared, was in love with dzyuba, everyone usually gathered around him, everyone loved him very much, for crystal honesty and subtle emotions as she
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writes. and look, she dedicated to him, ivanna dzyuba, she dedicated a poem to him, these are the lines of iryna zhilenko, on the parquet floors on the sofas, dirt, saliva, blood and piety, here ionna was baited, the forerunner with tender eyes, and it turns out that ivan dzyuba - the leader of the generation, whom everyone was in love with, was also rejected by this generation , because mrs. marta mentions in the film that when he came out of this syzo, he was met only, she says, kochur, yes, a tobacconist, grigor, and a few more people, all the rest were transitioning to a different age, and part of the people simply condemned him, the ukrainian intelligentsia, yes, in particular the luminaries, in particular stus, stus wrote terrible words about ivan dzyuba, and on the other hand, part of the people were afraid of him, as if a person disloyal to the authorities.

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