[000:00:00;00] because we just got information later than it was happening, that means, lah information, but the main thing is the message that johnson came there and broke everything, it turns out that is also not true, absolutely, and this is also, absolutely clearly said by rahamia, you could have already signed these treasonous agreements on the neutral status of ukraine, but as a firefighter. johnson came and said no houses there at all it was not like that, only people who want to twist any event there for political purposes say this, so that we can to sign, look, neither i could sign it, nor any member of the delegation, we don’t even have the legal right to sign anything at all, right, that is, it could only theoretically happen, if there was a meeting with zelensky and putin theoretically and

sign something, then it was necessary. in the parliament, that is, when people say that, they only say that to an unprepared reader or viewer or listener, well, that is, absolutely , you know, the manipulations are such, well, that is not surprising in principle, but i would like to say something a little different here, you understand, it's simple this case shows us how cautious ukrainian officials should be when saying something to the general public, and when they... begin to think about why we did this, why did we do this, well, you have to weigh your words a little, because whatever as a result, it becomes a subject of manipulation, if you suddenly think that this subject of manipulation and that's all the talk, russian propaganda will not be brought out, will not begin to be replicated in the international press, then you are mistaken, because it will be brought out, they will press it,

and to everyone, as i am telling you now in detail. to explain what was said and what was not said is simply impossible, so before you go out and tell something, well, you need to think at least a little about how your words will be interpreted, and not only these words, but also the following ones, for example, one more, let's watch an episode that just complements this picture from that interview, putin was showing a document, and according to the result of the belarusian negotiations, the african delegation, he demonstrated it, where, as he claims, the draft peace agreement with ukraine is written , and on, this document was apparently signed in istanbul, this document was called: agreement on permanent neutrality of ukraine and security guarantees, putin said that there were 18 articles, and as he said, i will quote, everything is prescribed from combat equipment to the personnel of the armed

forces of ukraine, said that there is a signature of the head of the delegation, that 's what putin claimed, why didn't he make this document public ? well, probably not that document there was, but you know, when this discussion was going on, these 18 points were known and even i also talked about them in my program and said then why it is impossible to agree to them at all, and here i have to say that if probably in this interview yu, which is now being actively quoted by the russian media, and which they are twisting and manipulating, obviously, but if arahamiya had not talked about the fact that johnson had come, yes, but instead told that in these 18 points, for example, there were such as that the russians would inspect military bases on the territory

of ukraine, the troops, that ukraine should reduce the number of troops, that ukraine should not purchase western weapons for... that ukraine should not conduct joint exercises with nato , then probably the result of this interview for information policy would be somewhat different than simply saying that all the russians wanted was for ukraine not to join nato, and sure, it's a very strange idea yes to speak to a person, well, it is not the first day in politics, in principle, he, mr. arahamiya, has been among politicians for a long time, and he has been speaking publicly for a long time, not bad, speak publicly, come on, and he could probably express his opinion more clearly, and so it turns out, that literally all they want from us, it turns out, is not to join nato, no , it's not like that, it wasn't like that from the first, and it wasn't like that from the very beginning, they asked us

to surrender, and unfortunately, this... he didn't say, more so, instead of saying that putin can't show the documents, he really does he can't show, he waves it from afar, what is written there, by whom, it's not entirely clear, so, instead of all this, eh, apparently, it was necessary to explain in more detail and speak more truthfully about who did what and who didn't did and why it was impossible to do it, and you know it, it looks like maybe mr. rarahamiya himself spoke about something carelessly at those negotiations, and now he is trying to explain to a wider circle that here you are... that is the only reason we cannot sign all this gibberish, because we have it in the constitution it is written like this, and if it was not written in the constitution, what we could sign, it must be understood that way, well, this is obviously not the case, well

, perhaps we need to talk about it, well, that is why such stories, well, actually summing up today's story, i do not i can complain, here a lot about russian propagandists, because what they say, they say yes ... they say the same thing, they lie, and this is not news to you, but in this, well, specifically in this in this case , we would very much like our politicians not to cause unnecessary discord and not to create situations that stir up society, which lead to incorrect conclusions, which give fuel to russian propaganda, moreover, i believe that in this situation, of course, perhaps mr. arahami should come out and explain once again what he meant and what he did not meant. and on the other hand, you know, in order for there not to be these conversations about the fact that there is a conflict, that zelenskyi wants to remove the tyrant, it is probably time for zelenskyi himself to come forward and

say something like that. on the other hand, if the same deputy from the servant of the people constantly speaks some absolutely insane things, so that no one thinks that zelenskyi is the initiator of these actions, he should use his influence and force various servants to stop stirring up strife in ukraine, well , it is impossible to deprive maryana of her deputy mandate because she was elected by the majority constituency, but the servant of the people faction can definitely remove her from the committee, so that she stops interfering in security politics, and so that this unbalanced person cannot breed all these things around it, after all, the faction the servant of the people remains a simple option to amuse maryana, just the possibility of factions, and depending on whether the faction will do it, we will see who is really causing discord in society, because they have to do it to remove all the eyes ,

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you draw your own conclusions. good evening, we are from ukraine, i greet you, dear tv viewers, we are starting this information week and this information evening, my name is vasyl zima, this is a big broadcast on the espresso tv channel, and today there are many important topics that we will discuss. well, now let's start with the announcement of the collection, we

continue to collect at the velstroom battery station for our soldiers, that is , the human and law charity fund, together with the tv channel espresso is raising funds for powerful portable weltstrum battery stations with solar panels for the 108th dnipropetrovsk separate brigade of the territorial defense forces of the armed forces of ukraine. in order to effectively destroy the enemy , military equipment must be systematically charged. this is not always possible due to difficult conditions at the front. wellstrom battery stations have been developed. specifically for military needs, they replace generators and provide soldiers with energy even in the field . each hryvnia you listed will allow you to quickly transfer these to the soldiers we need tools: let's protect our home, protect ukraine, help the armed forces of ukraine to expel the enemy from our land as soon as possible, and the enemy is not only at the front, the enemy is also in the body, and even if this enemy is covered with a cross, a hat, an icon and robe, we are talking about the moscow church, which is trying to hold on, if

not to hold on, then at least to scrape something out of ukraine, well, the story is fresh, which we will now discuss, expulsion from the lavra, representatives of the uoc demand 100 million uah for eviction from kyiv-pechersk lavra, to the court of lawyer and archpriest mykyta chekman made a request to collect the funds, according to him, depriving the monastery of the use of the property of the lower lavra will allegedly entail negative consequences and losses, so the reserve must cover such losses, the order in the reserve noted that the monastery on this territory used state property for free during 30 years, and now he does not hide that his main task was to obtain excess profits due to the fact that he used state property. we involved rostislav pavlenko, people's deputy, in this conversation of ukraine. mr. rostislav, i congratulate you. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, well, as they say, in the end, you still need to be inspired, and, well, i understand this call, that they are trying

to delay some procedure in time in this way, what is the goal, that's why they now needed more and 100 million uah to be taken out of the ukrainian budget, well, to be honest, you know, this is the case when they actually engaged in self-exposure, because they all tell how they are for christ, how they are for love of neighbor, how they are for building a civilized church , but looks that this whole conversation boils down to money, and the wrong money, because since the time of yanukovych, they have been allowed to use state property free of charge, and now they are telling us that all of us, each of the ukrainians, allegedly owe them, that we simply demand this property release, and use as you see... ukrainian society

, that's why such things, well, i really hope that they will not have any legal prospects, they will simply be pointed out very quickly about the futility of their claims, but i i also very much hope that this will become another argument for clarifying those who still say that this is some ukrainian church with an accent on the a, that it is there at all. moscow church and all the other things that they are trying to tell, so this situation just shows what they really need, it shows how they really see the relationship with the ukrainian state, with the ukrainian society, and i really hope that this situation will push and my fellow people's deputies, first of all servants of the people, to complete the games around the corresponding law, and yet... to adopt a law on the banning of the russian church and its

structural units in ukraine in the version currently being worked out in the committee, which will allow the effective deportation of moscow priests from ukraine. i mean, it's just about the level, about the level of certain defects or traumas in the heads of people who were infected by the russian world, because this church is also the same russian world, there is nothing from christ, his commandments at all. such an interesting story just caught my eye. a family of embankment boats in russia federation named the newborn daughter: russia svyatosiya saint russia. well, this roughly illustrates very well the level of understanding of reality and perception of reality by people who not only serve this church, but those who remain faithful to it, faithful to patriarch kirill, i have a question here, they say, give us 100 million, because we will definitely suffer losses there, when we arrive something else, we have already calculated what disappeared from the lower lavra caves during the stay

of the moscow church there, not now, but in 30 years, i think that there should be some specific description, and then it is certainly possible to issue invoices and maybe... it will turn out that 100 million is still not the entire amount that they owe to us, the ukrainian state, and not we to them, please, this is a very correct statement of the question, because we heard the position of the national reserve, that they actually compiled this estimate of the losses that this reserve suffered, because historical buildings were destroyed there, because construction and development were carried out there according to... who, mr. pavlo lebid, who is currently under investigation himself for and spreading enmity, and for treason and for other very serious crimes, and in the context of these

issues, i think that this lawsuit for some absolutely unrealistic sums, it is a certain kind of pr, you know, a step in advance. to then try to bargain with the ukrainian state from a series: well, you will reduce the claims against us, then we will reduce all our ridiculous claims against you, but it seems to me that they definitely do not have any rights to present a claim, they were let in during yanukovych's time, for free , free use of property that is owned ukrainian society, the ukrainian state, they should appreciate it. we see how they appreciate it in quotation marks, and therefore i think that they should, within the framework of the absolutely clear implementation of ukrainian legislation, be responsible for violations of monument protection regulations, for violations of legislation on the preservation of monuments of our

history and culture , and these are all their pretensions with many zeros, i really hope that they will be properly assessed by ukrainian justice. rejected, as their claims were rejected, others, and they in due time will appear before the court for all the crimes they committed, well, the question is, when will they take all their money out of there, well , i hope that they will not take away the church property, not the church property, but the state property that is on the territory , the national reserve, the kiev-pechersk lavra, or they will not replace the real relics with others, because you know who would believe or not believe there. power here is not a matter of belief in power - it is already a national value there conditional relics relics of illimurovets, not muromets, as the russians say, but murovets, or he is from the city of murov, it is on chernihiv oblast, but to replace it with others, well, this is already national property, yes, if there, whoever did not belong to any religion, this is national property, so it is important that it be preserved

, but here the question is that the prohibition of the church of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine can be revised, because as far as i know, some deputies are people's deputies, well, in particular, there were among the former members and the already banned opzzhe and probably a number of other deputies are being prepared or sent already, i'm just now sure not i understood this story, but you know what was being prepared for - a submission to the venice commission to have this law reviewed on the subject of whether the human right to freedom of conscience and speech and similar things is preserved, and perhaps there is hope that now the venice commission will say : no, this law is too strict. and it is necessary to soften it somehow and give the right to freedom of conscience and religion, is there any threat here? and again, this is about a government law that was adopted by the supreme council, as far as i understand, and yes, just about this law, which we talked about at the beginning of our conversation, about the fact that the committee is currently working on a version that should

at least somehow still work, not be so empty, and focused on the fact that 150 more commissions need to be held, and 35 court decisions, but before that, before this law even comes into effect, we see attempts to torpedo it on the approach, we see attempts to use the mechanisms of democracy against democracy itself, absolutely in the spirit of the rashists and their führer, and here is the whole question in how the leadership of the verkhovna rada will behave, therefore that, on the one hand, turning to the venice commission is not an obligation but a right of the leadership of the verkhovna rada. next, there is a question that , by the way, european colleagues are actively proving to us that everything that concerns the position of russia.

in fact, it is not an argument for, for example, the european union, because russia actually broke off its relations with the council of europe, because the council of europe is about values, the council of europe is about fulfilling the criteria that meet the requirements of civilized coexistence of peoples, and russia is most aggressive against ukraine and crossed out everything that followed it any values ​​related to european coexistence, so the question is very simple: will we waste time on an absolutely senseless drag, in the context of an appeal to the venice commission, or will the leadership of the verkhovna rada still have the wisdom not to fall into this trap, and direct it in the legislative process inside ukraine, adopting that version of the law will still be effective and effective, and put an end to the existence of the structural division of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, you know, when

european countries expel workers embassies and consulates of russia from the territory of their states, and accusing them of espionage, or knowing that they are spies, they do not accuse them of anything, or they simply expel them silently, well , this is not a question of what kind of diplomatic immunity it is, the right to diplomatic work, relations, everyone understands that this is a spy, so they quietly expel him and say, either send another normal person, or don't send anyone, it's like that, well, that 's the same story here, we're not talking about religion now, we're talking about what people are who openly work for the enemy, there in some status , i don't know, but you know, i was very impressed by the story i read today , there was a family in zhytomyr region, the husband and wife were shot by the enemy russians during the full-scale invasion of the first stage of this full-scale war, and they were now exhumed and eulogized, and the moscow pip sang, well, it was symptomatic, there were the words that this pip said during the memorial service, that it is not known what happened, what happened, then

it happened, you see, that’s all, the russians killed innocent civilians, what happened, what happened, well, in my opinion, there is nothing more to add here, well, actually, this is , it seems to me, both an epigraph and a certain epitaph to the existence of this structure in ukraine, because if they still have not they understand, i studied, if they still don’t understand, and who lives there to blame, then, well, probably then ukrainian society should give them an answer, an explanation and invite those who don’t understand, well, once upon a time in the baltic region there was a very good slogan about a suitcase to the station russia , it seems to me that for those who are really not understands, this would be the answer, but for those who pretend that they do not understand, well, it's time to see, see and still be with their people. thank you very much for your participation, thank you for your comments, rostyslav pavlenko, people's deputy of ukraine, about the open extortion of money from the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, from the ukrainian

state, you see, it will not be like that for them if they are evicted from ukrainian property , from the territory of the national reserve, kyiv-pechersk lavra. now we will talk about a different topic, it is very important important, in fact, because every day we hear about shelling, we know that collaborators worked somewhere in certain territories during the occupation, and they record the shelling, we are still being overcome, but no one understands that, well, they understand, but maybe they do not think that all this must be investigated, these are all the crimes of the russians against the ukrainian people, and the death, and destruction, and damage, and the activities of the collaborators, who must be identified, who must also be prosecuted, collect the evidence base, this is a huge work that is happening and one of the areas ukraine, which was partially occupied enemy, and where a lot of crimes took place and are still taking place, it is still completely unoccupied , this is kharkiv region, we will speak with dmytro today, mr. dmytro , i congratulate you, i congratulate you, in fact, i made such an introduction a little bit, i explained to people, therefore, how great

the burden is now to the regional prosecutor's office because of russian crimes, crimes of traitors or collaborators, as i understand it, who still need to be identified and not just put on handcuffs, but collect the evidence base, so that in court it is possible to prove their guilt, whatever please, the workload is very large, because in addition to the general criminal crimes that i commit... as well as the full-scale invasion , there are also thefts , there are also murders, war crimes, crimes committed by the russians during the occupation, are only added to this array of crimes , about 16,000 criminal proceedings on the facts of shelling and about 4 criminal proceedings on the facts of snooping, torture, freedmen, theft of equipment, other war crimes, that is, about, in general, in relation to shelling and

other crimes in the occupied territory, which were committed by the russians, there are about 200 criminal proceedings that have arisen, which ones need to be worked on, to collect the evidence base, and please tell me, in order to understand the situation, approximately how many cases fall on one prosecutor, or well, i don’t think that every the case has a separate investigator, or does this also happen, depending on the complexity of the case, the resonance, maybe the case, well , there is no such thing as one investigator or one prosecutor dealing with one case, based on the fact that close to one person works in the kharkiv region 400 prosecutors, well, we understand that these are thousands of cases, only war crimes, on average there are hundreds of cases per prosecutor, and besides, as i said before, there are other crimes, which also include theft and

fraud, and road accidents, and other, other crimes, which. well, it didn't become much less, maybe from some such domestic, theft crimes at night, it became less, because of the curfew, it became less there, some situations related to the consumption of alcohol at night, because again , the curfew, but there is a lot of work , to the same crimes that were committed during the occupation, they... er were committed without the access of justice and law enforcement agencies. therefore, we recreate these circumstances based on small pieces of evidence, which we gather together in order to recreate the picture that existed at the time of the occupation. and are there any difficulties in bringing to justice and collecting the evidence base regarding collaborators who worked for the enemy during the occupation period and remained in the de-occupied territory

after the armed forces of ukraine expelled the enemy. well, in general, the occupiers are divided into several categories, many of them left together with the russian military when they fled last fall, but in principle many of them remained on the territory of ukraine and now we are actively working on them, collecting the evidence base, bringing to criminal responsibility, hundreds of such people, and for this past year, since the de-occupation, we already have about eight hundred suspicions against collaborators, there are already about 300 verdicts where the involvement of these people in aiding the aggressor state is recorded, they held some positions in some newly created

law enforcement agencies, state agencies, authorities, and , by their... actions, they helped the enemy to stabilize the work in the occupied territory and form these new pseudo-republics and so on, that is, those persons who most actively fled were those who were involved in law enforcement agencies , because they have legal, some legal knowledge and understood that responsibility is inevitable, but...' still some of them remained and depending on the severity of the crimes they committed, someone is detained for the duration of the investigation, those who held some small positions there or, yes, let's say, domestic separatists, their, well, their , the severity of their crimes is not small, so

some are under house arrest, some are under personal commitment, but we document all the involved persons and work in in the direction of prosecution, we have three minutes and two questions , i will ask briefly so that you have time to answer, whether lawsuits are being prepared against russia for causing material damage and committing crimes against civilians, well , maybe lawsuits are also being prepared from certain people there to the european court, possibly for human rights and so on, with compensation for moral and material damages, please. regarding general compensations, this is the direction of the office of the prosecutor general, it is possible to pay compensations until the decision of the tribunal, maybe it will be in the context of the verdict of the tribunal and already fixing the affiliation of russia to those losses, the payment, the obligation to pay these losses, that is, now this process he