[000:00:00;00] accept everything, and then in the details that we will wait until you accept everything, well, about johnson, who came to kyiv and almost everything, almost everything, spoiled everything, eh, they really, really hoped until almost the last , that they would pressure us to sign such an agreement so that we would accept neutrality, this was the most important thing for them, that he, they would be more than ready to end the war if we would accept, as finland once did, neutrality, we would give an undertaking that we will not join nato, only one point, well, in fact, this was the key point, everything else there, cosmetic, political seasonings, such as about denazification, the russian-speaking population and blah blah blah, why ukraine did not agree to

this point, in order to agree to this point, the constitution must be changed, our path to nato is written in the constitution, according -secondly, there is no trust and there was not and there is no russians that they will do it, it could only be done if there were security guarantees, well , we could not sign something, leave, everyone would have exhaled there, and then they would come in, more prepared, because they came in really not prepared for such resistance, so we could only... when there is a hundred percent certainty that it will not happen again, and there is no such certainty, moreover, when we returned from istanbul, boris johnson came to kyiv and said that we let's not sign anything with them at all, and let's just fight, mr. yevgeny , i don't know what they talked about and who the interlocutor david arahami is, well, what he tells is enough, it causes a lot of

emotions and questions . boris johnson came and said that we, we will not sign anything with them, that boris johnson should have signed with them, why was this group of negotiators at those negotiations at all, what was their mandate of trust or status, which, at all, nothing is clear, so it will be two years since then, and this story has never been told or explained, and for society, well, for politicians, what podalyak did there, what arahamia did there, that is... these are not professional negotiators, they were at the negotiations, they were talking about something there, then they remembered that in it is written in the constitution that there should not be a neutral state, how do you assess these explanations and in general going public with similar clarifications, explanations, certain conclusions, i don't like it, mr. serhiy, because we are 20 months after these

negotiations... . peaceful ukrainians in bucha and not only in bucha. there is no direct direct connection here, it is simply a coincidence in this case, but it is a fact that we cannot deny, and you remember what, why these negotiations ended, because the war crimes in buch became known, and it became it is clear that it is impossible to conduct further negotiations, well, because it is impossible to conduct

negotiations with war criminals. and that is why there is now an attempt to roll the situation back 20 months and say, could we, whether the visit was about boris, well, about the visit boris johnson, so, well, in this way, david arahamia, in fact, creates the assumption that there were some agreements, and putin, as you know, likes to show at meetings... documents that were allegedly initialed by the ukrainian side, renouncing nato and problems with many other things, and boris johnson came and, so to speak, convinced us not to do this, that is, our subjectivity of our state is called into question, but there is another

problem, the russian delegation. could not sign anything, who was high-ranking there? medinsky, putin's adviser, this is a significant level. this is a person who was given the appropriate obligations, the appropriate opportunities, i have considerable doubts about this, that is, i think, i am practically convinced that russia wanted to squeeze ukraine on its own terms, it wanted to obtain significant concessions from ukraine, which could be b trade and trade. and only the courage of our defenders and the successful actions of the defense of kyiv and the de-occupation of the kyiv region,

the sumy region, the chernihiv region caused the situation that russia was forced to follow, and the situation from the negotiations became impossible i do not understand why we mention what could have been, if there is currently a decision of the national security and defense council, which is prohibited from conducting direct negotiations with russia, why we say, how could it be, history does not know the conditional way, i tell you, as a person who graduated from the history department with honors. mr. yevgeny, do you remember that putin used to show the document and say that istanbul should have signed this document? arkhamia says that

there was no such document, there was no peace agreement, let's hear what he said, because it was demonstrative, you could have already signed these treasonous agreements, about neutral status. it was not like that there at all, only people who want to twist any event there for political purposes say that, so that we could sign, look, neither i could sign it, nor any member of the delegation, we at all, we don't even have the legal right to sign anything, that's right, that is, it could only theoretically happen if there was a meeting between zelensky and putin, theoretically. and sign something, then it would have to be ratified in the parliament, that is, when people say that, they only say that to an unprepared reader, or viewer, or listener, which viewer, mr. yevgeny, was speaking to in your way, mr. yevgeny,

arachamiy about, well, this story, that is, we did not have any opportunities , we couldn't sign anything, we're like, forgive me, like in the anecdote about the chinese astronauts who flew and couldn't press the button. to press, they just flew and that's all, well, then the question arises, that is, the ukrainian side also took time to hold negotiations, i know, i'll say one thing thing is, we are inside this process, the process of the russian-ukrainian war, the whole truth, often extremely unpleasant. we will find out only after the end of the war and probably after

the change of power in ukraine, and this must also be realized, that is why we live in such realities, you understand that as long as we are inside the process of this war, it is difficult for us to stop... abstracting and looking at what disruption happens with us and around us. and i don't think that such searches are, you know, what if, alternative history scenarios, they are playing in ukraine's favor, in the current situation we have to demonstrate... consolidation for the sake of victory, not talk and we had a chance to stop the war. thank you, thank you, mr. yevgeny, we have to go off the air, it was yevhen magda, i would like to remind you that we conducted a survey during this program, we asked you

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inclined to negotiate with russia? the council wants to disrupt the draft law on banning the activities of the russian church, who do not want to ban branches of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. friends, we are live and our broadcast is on youtube and facebook, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please subscribe. to our pages on these platforms and also like this video. during the program we conduct a survey, today we ask you about do you trust the head of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, yes, no, if you are sitting in front of the tv, you can pick up the phone and vote by calling. if so, 0800 2011-381, no 0800-211-382, everything is quite simple in youtube, two buttons. yes no, or if you have a different

opinion of your own, leave it below this video in the comments. today we have three people's deputies visiting us, victoria syumar, a people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction. mrs. victoria, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our air. solomiya bobrovska, people's deputy of ukraine, voice faction. i welcome you, ms. solomia, and thank you for joining us. on the air, glory to ukraine, congratulations, and elizaveta yasko, people's deputy of ukraine, servant of the people faction, mrs. elizaveta, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, since. madam, we start our conversation, after the announcement of our survey, we are just trying to understand what our people think, whether they support the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhny, and this is related, of course, to with this discussion, which started just a few days ago, first

david rahamiy, now your colleague, mariana bezugla, mentioned zaluzhny in the next round , we talk about her all the time, to be honest, there is nothing to say about it, actually about the fact that she writes, but she demands the resignation of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, that is how to properly perceive this public debate, into which both arachamia and bezugla lead society, do we need a head, whether he is worthy or not , what claims are there to him, and whether it is necessary in general ... society for broad discussion, whether during the war the topic of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine is still a topic, professional, backstage, of people who fight, people who make important political and state decisions, let's start with victoria, mrs. victoria,

you know , unfortunately, it seems to me that we began to engage and talk about politics more than about the real problems of the state, because here are all these discussions around the resignation of valery zaluzhny, it seems to me that they are not about solving problems at the front, unfortunately , because there are many problems and we definitely need to talk about them, because this is a question of the survival of each of us, and this is the survival of ukrainian statehood , that is what we need to talk about, here i agree, but is this discussion that you are talking about, right now it is about the solution problems of the front, or is it still about solving someone's political problems and tasks. yes, this is exactly why this discussion was initiated, but such a discussion should definitely not continue now, because there are existential problems of the existence of ukrainian statehood. thank you, mrs. solomia, despite everything that it seems to be about, well

, a conditional conflict, about which people write and comment quite actively on social networks, it is civil. power and military power, civilian and military leaders, what they say they are figuring out among themselves, it concerns the future of our country, because it concerns the current period of the war, and what bezugla and arahamia say, it concerns next year, plans for 2024 year, and maryana and david say that these plans should be, we should know about these plans, we do not understand these plans, how to perceive this... a discussion that was supposed to be in a more closed space, why does it keep popping up? well, first of all, i want to remind everyone that in fact not even a single person present on the air today started either a discussion or a political struggle with the authorities, despite the fact that we

represent various opposition factions or parties, and i am very sorry to see , that on the 20th month... of the war, it is not the opposition that is starting this war politically, it is the government that is opening this pandora's box, but it is not even just starting politically, it is actually starting to interfere with the military command, because what has been happening for the past few weeks, since after the article of time, can be called nothing other than such a huge damage, especially marina has exacerbated it today and put it all on public air, it is absolutely impossible, i want to remind you precisely from the moment when there was a resignation of one of the commanders, the commander of the special operations forces, without the knowledge of the commander-in-chief and nothing other than intervention, it is also impossible to call it, and it ends with the fact that the conflict, which is professional between them, it can be work,

it can be, it can be discussions, yes, but it goes completely to the outside and demoralizes ukrainian society to a huge... extent, because i want to remind everyone that the intensity of fighting today at the front is in absolutely every direction, starting with kup' yanska, kryminnaya, bakhmut, avdiyivka, further to zaporizhzhia and kherson is the highest, probably in the last year, and to allow such an excessive policy on the air is absolutely, harmful, demoralizing, and actually, will this lead to some criminal liability for that , which was written by maryani, let the service determine. security, but it is very shameful, it is a shame and it is something that definitely does not contribute to the unity of the state. well, today yuriy gudymenko, one of the co-organizers, co-chairs of the democratic sokyra. the additional co-chairman, he is now a military serviceman and a sapper, he submitted a statement to the sbu regarding the statements of maryana

bezuglai, at the same time, information appeared , in the evening, that people's deputy ihor kryvosheev registered a resolution in the verkhovna rada of ukraine on the dismissal of maryana bezuglai from the post of deputy chairman of the committee on national security, i understand, ma'am elizaveta, well, this is not the position of the faction, it is not a position. the party is not the position of your entire team, i understand correctly, yes, it is completely true, i will honestly tell you that it is really very unfortunate that we constantly focus our attention on, er, very strange things and the behavior of certain people who are not always amenable to understanding and description, and i want to speak quite... diplomatically about it, but including, i don’t want to take

some of my colleagues to discuss some statements all the time, who do not represent everyone’s opinion, i just it’s scary, why is this happening, why is it being picked up so much, why is it starting to make people quarrel with each other, and here already, i really want not to believe in various conspiracy theories, but i think that this is definitely not for the benefit of our state, it is for to stir up a quarrel, to sow some doubt, it certainly does not help us, we need to focus on our own, to defend our state, each on his own front, and it is very difficult for me to comment on the fact that someone demands a plan from a hard worker, when this information in principle by its essence should be closed, only a very small number of people should know it for security purposes, so here we need to be more

critical, think critically and actually protect our statehood even more and not divert our attention to what we don't need to divert our attention to, because it is not in the interests of ukraine , but look, the head of the servant of the people faction in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, davyd arkhamia, said what is needed... a clear mobilization plan, which is currently lacking, we will listen to what davyd said, and then share our impressions. as far as this process, belarus and istanbul is supervised by washington , london, warsaw, not managed in any way, by berlin, not managed in any way, but by agreement, that is, they understood, we had a group, a group was created immediately. security advisers of these countries, our partners, but we gave them information in a dosed manner from the point of view of the lag of a little bit

of information, that is , so that it did not simply flow into the the committee is very excited, how many more people are being mobilized, there is a mob resource, he is famous if you do the rotation, you need to mobilize another half of the people in the country, if you don't do it, then they suffer, what to do with it, whatever, not a long plan, but at least a short one, for a year, give some vision, the military leadership says , give a vision, there is no vision, we just live the way we used to live, it does not suit us if we take the war plan now, by the way, we have been waiting for the committee for a long time, i say look, we are not military, we are public. control, democratic control that should be plan war, your general staff should make plans, well, i don’t know, the warlord whispered to everyone there, i’m not

talking about favoritism right now, i’m talking about institutions, yeah, the institution says: i want to fight next year yes, i need so many people, so many people i need they must be let go, because they are already fighting so much that they can't, and let's go, and i need so much money, and you don't have this plan, and no one has such a plan, eh, ms. victoria, david arkhamia asks about the mobilization plan, and in general makes some objections, and why does he not ask these questions to the supreme to the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, in principle, he is the most important during the war? i think he is not supposed to ask such questions to the supreme commander on the party line. by the way, i would like to develop this opinion here about the party line, because i am listening. my colleague, and i respect her very much, in fact, but if it is necessary to show that this is not the party's position, then the party makes

an official statement that the position of maryana bezuglai is not the party's. not the position of the servant of the people party, because what we see now, she is really the deputy chairman of the committee, which today is undoubtedly the main committee in the verkhovna rada, has access to all secret information, and recently it was generally assigned to deal with civilian control over, military spheres, here is this working group, we did not send our representatives there, but you delegated the right to lead it this group, so it's not just saying, you know, some person who has nothing to do... scribbles posts on facebook in the evening, that's what a prominent party representative, who used to head investigative, well-known, investigative commissions in to the verkhovna rada, regarding very important issues for the country with also, important secret information, where foreign intelligence was also involved, and everyone knows her, in principle, about her closeness with the heads of the president's office,

here you understand, it must be clearly said then that we either exclude her from the faction there, or at least remove her from the committee, even there there is a resolution by venislavsky to recall her from the committee, we will gladly support all these initiatives if there is the will of the monomajority, but this will is necessary, it seems to me manifest in order to show that these attacks on zaluzhnyi are not coming from the authorities, that this is not the position of the authorities, to release the commander-in-chief today and to a large extent expose the front, believe me, the reaction of the army will be very unpredictable here, we really saw the situation with the commander... and society was outraged, first of all, that the fact that people were not explained, and why it happened, for what kind of problems , they are starting to look for reasons for mobilization, reasons for having some kind of plan, all that we heard today from, well, in your quote from david arachami, i i don't know, in us there was no plan at all for the 23rd year, we had such

a plan, we could have predicted it all , something was written there, because no one, more than commander-in-chief zaluzhny, actually gave any plan to society. unfortunately, he did it through the western media. because in ukraine we avoid serious discussions about the problems at the front. in the ukrainian media, this does not resonate, and he wrote for the economist. he wrote the five positions of the servant, which must be done immediately. there, by the way, there is a line of defense on which, for example, no decision has been made yet, yes, how to deal with it, there is the question of providing the army with the dronava fp rebs and other new technologies, and these are really basic technologies of war, there is the question of mobilization, and we must surely find an answer to it together, because it is an extremely painful question and it is really, first of all, the most painful for politicians, because it lowers the ratings , let's be frank, but really the army can't fight without rotation either, it's also impossible today, because people just have to rest and have to understand our resources and

from that for sure to develop war scenarios. so come on. come on, if we have already approached such a crisis situation, let's use it to our advantage, let's talk professionally inside the parliament, maybe at some closed session, yes, let's have such a conversation about what we need today, we need to develop a unified position towards the painful , sometimes political issues, but the fate of the front and the fate of the country today definitely depend on these issues. ms. elizaveta, if you want, react, because victoria... to addressed you and said that there is actually no reaction from the servants of the people party, and this is also really bad, because it is perceived as a position not only of the party, but also of the president of ukraine. i think it will not be a secret when i remind you how many people are in our faction, how many different opinions and how many different discussions, and how

something is not always quickly decided, i'll be honest with you. i will say that the conversations are very fierce about this issue, specifically about statements or exclusions, whether to keep or remove a person, it is very active is going, and there are a number of colleagues who speak publicly about it, i think that we will see what will happen in the near future, when there will be plenary sessions, i think that there will be a certain position, we have more than once. i will say that the position is not to play along with various rumors, but to do things on a case-by-case basis, if a decision is made to exclude, then it will also happen at the next plenary session, that will be it, if it does not happen, if there is not enough support or if there is some other passed, we will also learn about it, i do not like,