[000:00:00;00] it is decided, i will tell you honestly that the conversations are very fierce about this issue, specifically about statements or about exclusion, whether to keep or remove a person, it is very active, and there are a number of colleagues who speak publicly about it, i think that let's see what will happen in the near future, when there will be plenary sessions, i think that there will be a certain position. we have at the moment, i will say that the position is not to play along with various rumors, but to do things on a case-by-case basis, if a decision is made to exclude, then it will also happen at the next plenary session, that's it will, if there is not, if there is not enough support or something else is passed, we will also find out about it, i do not like specifically about the fact that there are a lot of

politics, i will repeat, that distract us from very important issues, and i don't want to discuss the exclusion of one deputy, when we have a war every day, and we need to talk about strategically important things and focus on that. thank you, mrs. solomia, arahamiya said about mobilization, mariana said about the number of people who... are taken every month to the ranks of the armed forces, and this was also such new information that, in fact, yuriy gudymenko wrote a statement to the security service of ukraine, where the number of 20,000 people needed by the armed forces every month was mentioned, this discussion, how many people are actually needed, and whether it is necessary to change system of mobilization, not only before demobilization, it is clear that those who

are currently at the front, they need to be replaced. ah, the topic of mobilization, as far as i know, is in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, roman kostenko spoke publicly about it, that a draft law is being prepared that also concerns mobilization, before demobilization, and that the heads of territorial assembly centers will be given more rights than they currently have, and that the system should change in general in the country, what should change in your opinion and in what way and in what perspective well, i would like, to comment on arahami's words, i keep trying to master his interview, and it's very simple that everything works out for him, it works out for us that we are rioting here at all, because boris johnson came to ukraine at that time, said that we will not sign anything, we went to war , for me this is such a big question mark, actually who makes decisions, how and where was ukrainian society and our entire national resistance when yevgeny shevchenko, our colleague, decided

politically and diplomatically... together with budanov, the withdrawal of russian troops from the capital, this is also such sensational news, with a big question mark, where were our military, where were all the other people who fought in the occupation and during the occupation with this influx in february, march, such rather outrageous things, as for me what david voiced, and i will allow myself a small remark to the league about what we are talking about someone from your faction or party. in particular, we are talking about the narratives that are being communicated in ukrainian society today and are disrupting the entire ukrainian space, and how they fit into russian narratives in particular, because it is one story to ask what people want to do with people's deputies, kill them, hang them, and so on. how many death wishes, it was a separate movie, but another when it concerns the issue of the command of the armed forces, under

the leadership of a man who is led from: already 20 months and a man who heads all the forces security and defense. with regard to the mobilization and reform of the tsk, an absolutely valid and correct remark, this is how we have been talking for months about the reform of the tsk, about moving away from the comprehensive way of mobilizing people, kidnapping on the street, beatings and so on. we are talking about the transition of ee to such and such a hybrid possible potential format, when each type of force can have its own recruitment to its ranks, and we are not talking only about an increase. rights, military personnel of the tsk, who in fact already use them and very often fold them, but we are talking about increasing the powers bodies of local self-government and state power, and very often refuses to communicate and cooperate with the tsc regarding mobilization, such as, for example, regions such as odesa oblast or the city of odesa, we understand well what moods prevail there, which are far from the same as in western ukraine or central ukraine , especially when we mention the southern part, odesa region, we know their

resistance, reluctance to cooperate. covering up many layers from mobilization, and then we see the actual quality of the men who are called up by the central committee. therefore, this discussion continues, indeed. we are talking about a consensus for the demobilization in time of those people who serve and went to serve on the 24th, or those who have already entered the service before february 24, 22, and we are talking about today, at least between the factions today, not about 18 months, and about 36, we really do not have an answer from the general staff at the moment, because they are the ones who form the plan of the need for the defense of the state, and they proceed, of course, from the tasks that are set in particular by the supreme leader, so everything is absolutely, logically, and we know very well, in particular, the role of the president's office, i am not here i emphasize the president, er, but also the assistants, deputies of the profile and

so on, who very often play the political violin and influence certain decisions concerning the military command in our country, along with statements about the need for reform. mobilization and demobilization, the ministry of defense announced that it intends to build fortification lines on the front, that you ladies know about this and whether, well , better late than never, why, why has this arisen now, and at a time when the russians are already three lines were built in the south, we only we talk about it in a public space, well , at least, the ministry of defense is a public space. started this topic, that the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine will take part in this in these fortification lines, doesn't this mean that we also give russia certain information that we do not have any fortifications, and

now we are forced to simply leave it already to catch up with this train, which has gone far ahead, mrs. elizabeth, well, i will honestly tell you that apart from such information from the media, i have no further understanding of this issue, i lack information, perhaps colleagues from the national security committee have more information, it is better to comment, because i do not have enough information to comment on it. thank you, ms. victoria, sergey, if i may, you know, it's an extremely important topic, and to be honest, i'm very surprised that we're only now starting to talk about it so seriously, we 've tried to raise it before, because, well , the russians know that we have fortifications, they have high-quality intelligence, and there, from reconnaissance drones to

many other things, and they understand everything very well, so it's no secret, the defensive line plays a huge role, huge importance, we've known this since 14-15 years, and in the end, this defensive line is what allows you to hold what was built then , it allows us to hold today in the donetsk direction, donbas, in the donbas, that is, in fact, the donbas front, yes, this is ours, and it is obvious that a new line is also critically needed, it is really very necessary in the direction of kupyansk, the situation there is really difficult, i i know well, there from her husband, who was a lot in the flint forest and there, how difficult it is, how unequipped the boundaries in the forest are, in general , it is difficult to do it, accordingly, it exposes the whole direction there, from luhansk towards kharkiv region and kharkov, kupinsk, this is a complicated

story, further, of course, the front line moved a little, unfortunately in our direction, in the same donbas, and it is obvious that now there is a question of building a line of defense against the temporal ravine, and i want to say only one thing, when in 14-15 here are these fortifications, this line of defense, then it was the task of local self-government bodies, then it was really a demonstration of very serious cooperation between the authorities and business, because local business was involved for this, but if we even show military equipment there now to our viewers, i'm sorry, but it's communal equipment, in communal there is enough such equipment in local self-government bodies, we are talking about their regions in the first place, we are talking about the fact that this is a region where there is business, it is obvious that even some public works could be announced in this regard, i i'm just afraid that when we, you know, focus everything in the hands of some one state agency, that we simply will not strengthen such a large-scale structure, because it

should be, well, a large-scale fortification structure, which, to be frank, will protect ukraine today from the russian invasions, which, well, which can still pose a serious threat, and let's face it, i don't want to be, you know, the bearer of bad news, but no one is saying that any breakthroughs by the russians are no longer possible, yes, in one of the directions, at least sometime when our forces will be needed. for example, there near avdiivka, yes, when we have to keep what we have won there in the district works and in the zaporizhzhia direction, we are already talking a lot about the kupinsky direction, it is really a very difficult situation there and it is difficult there, you know, without a line defense in general, it is difficult to build such an effective, well-organized defense, because the russians can actually enter from the territory of the russian federation from the territory of the luhansk region from two sides there, and this is a huge problem, so the construction is extremely

needed therefore, it should be a matter of such a very serious cooperation between local self-government, business, which should be involved in these processes, which should join in this, as a joint social responsibility, of the citizens who live there, yes, and then the state, too it should be said that this decision should be made primarily politically, that the country needs it, because i know, for example, that such a decision was not made, or it was considered that it would be negative. a signal for society that they say we are talking now about defense, but excuse me, the price, you know, unwillingness to look up, is sometimes very high, and this is precisely about this issue, the construction of defensive lines. ms. solomi, what do you think, is this the decision of the ministry of defense to create, well, a certain cooperation with entrepreneurs, through the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine, or will it speed up this process of building fortification lines, because obviously these fortification lines are

also needed around kyiv, as it were it didn't happen, because the russians are basically unpredictable in their own way actions and they can there after six months or a year try to repeat what they did in february 22? well, first of all, it is difficult for me to say what role the state agency for the restoration of ukraine plays in principle and what they do, but it is probably a state state that has international funds for the restoration of cities, towns, and regions that suffered as a result of occupation or military actions, but i am categorically against such a story and against the diversion of funds through one dp, because we know very well, and vika communicated everything very well, what is happening as a result, as a result we we will see unfinished works, not accepted on the balance sheet, not signed by contractors or customers, because of the quality of

services and execution. therefore, categorically, we have the experience of working seven or eight years ago, when in fact local self -government bodies, state authorities, local business, we were responsible for the first, second or third line of defense, and each region was engaged in this, and in this version of the work , moreover, even in this case, we had people who sat down for criminal cases for distributing funds and failure to fulfill the scope of work, but at least this is already a mechanism that has been launched and reworked. through one body of the dpp for the restoration of ukraine, we see neither restoration, nor constructions, nor works, nor defense, and this is already, we have this guardianship , the experience is protected, categorically, i am personally against this and do not understand it, although it is difficult for our government to understand why they decide to do such things because of one thing, but i want to remind you that in reality those commanders, groups, or heads of regional military administrations who

felt themselves to be masters understanding of the threat from the north or from the east, where we have a border with the republic of belarus or with the muscovites, they were actually engaged in this during the previous year, not even just the extreme one, and began to do it in some regions, so in fact the topic is not new, it should have been a long time ago was discussed at a meeting where all the heads of power agencies, all key representatives of the government were gathered, and together with the president such decisions were to be made. i'm surprised this hasn't actually been done before, but these are obvious things, which had to be done immediately after the withdrawal of the troops from kiev and when we got our additional border free after the muscovites, certain works had to be done right away, just as in bakhmut we had a question as to why the second and third lines of defense were not built behind bakhmut, why did we wait for the next potential offensive of the russians, accordingly, the discussion became. thank you, ms. solomia, after

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today we have on the air victoria syumar, people's deputy of ukraine from the european solidarity faction, solomiya bobrovska, people's deputy from the voice and eliza faction. taisko, people's deputy from the servant of the people faction. well, the situation on the border with poland remains quite tense and difficult. people's deputy of ukraine mykola knyazhytskyi, who visited the border, is convinced that in order to solve the issue of the border blockade, because we see that entry to and exit from ukraine is blocked from the polish side , so knyazhytskyi believes that the president of ukraine zelenskyy should contact the president of poland dude and initiate a joint meeting of the national security and defense council of ukraine and the national security council of poland let's listen to what knyazhytsky said. only at such a joint meeting can it be shown and explained

how important and threatening this blocking is. to what extent it makes it impossible to protect us from the russian aggressor, but for some reason this is not done, if the polish side would refuse such negotiations, then it would be possible to initiate a meeting of the newly created ukraine-nato council, because this is not just a matter of food, it is a matter of national security and ukrainian weapons, but this is also not done, ms. elizaveta, please tell me, at the heart of this conflict, is it not even a conflict, it is just a blockade, a blockade of the western border, the border from which ukraine receives almost everything, because air transport does not work here, and our ports do not work, and we the only way out actually through the western border, including through poland.

who and why, in your opinion, is abusing this and actually set up a blockade of ukraine, playing into the hands of the russian federation first of all, because it also affects our ability to receive humanitarian and military aid, fuel and lubricants are not imported from poland, and why not a harsh reaction of the ukrainian authorities or a well-articulated position. i will start with the last one, there is a reaction, it is 100% from ukraine, and we recently voted from our parliament a resolution to appeal to poland with request to solve this issue somehow, i have just started broadcasting, i just recently saw the information that finally, the authorities of poland officially addressed ukraine with a proposal on how to solve this issue. and suggests that ukraine cancel the electronic registration of those trucks that leave ukraine without

cargo and return to the countries of the european union, this information recently appeared, and i think it is very positive. unfortunately, i have repeatedly said on our broadcasts here that due to the fact that there were elections in poland, almost everything as for... ukrainian-polish relations began to be used in political battles already in poland , including the issue of the border and trucks and drivers, began to heat up on polish narratives. of course, in reality, this is bad, and it benefits the narratives that russia is spreading. but i still hope that in the coming weeks, when finally the new government in poland will stabilize, because now we

understand that difficult weeks are coming, there are a lot of internal processes in poland, and unfortunately we have become, well, a topic that used in political battles of the poles of their political, well, i would say so, we became hostages of this situation, mrs. victoria. you, as a person who worked in the national security and defense council, do you agree with knyazhetsky that this is a matter of national security, it should be resolved at this, at the highest level, and it should not drag on for three or four weeks, because 6 in november, this blocking is going on, there are several dozen people blocking this border, but we can't do anything, our drivers are standing there in a queue, back in a queue and the poles are standing, as if they are our friends, and the closest 4 and it turns out that they simply block all the cargo going to ukraine, which is so necessary in ukraine, they are not

just necessary, we are still suffering extremely serious economic losses, it is already billions of dollars were billed, and this is for ukraine in the conditions of war, the inflow of currency, in particular , yes, indeed, the inflow of goods, the export of our goods, because for us logistics today, due to the actual destroyed logistics. the black sea is blocked by the federation, these are key logistics points, in fact, and their blocking is a huge blow to the economy, just huge, i read a lot about this problem, about the fact that polish carriers want to get some kind of guaranteed place there, more subsidies from the european union, in particular, and they would are fighting for these subsidies now, for next year, in particular, they are acting in their own interests. but i think that here this situation should have been, you know, at least even warned, it is even, well, to a certain extent, there is even a trade war, well, that is

, wars do not arise just like that, there is a series of problems, and if they are not solved, if they are not talked about, then obviously they come to a dead end, and then it just creates huge tension between both countries and huge problems for the warring ukraine, and this is exactly what we are facing, and you know our parliamentary appeal, an appeal to the parliament, where a new coalition was formed today, well, it was not at all decent, because after all , the current government of poland is responsible for this blocking, which received a new vote from president duda there today, but which most likely does not receive here from of the parliamentary majority, and it is obvious that this plays against the future president, the future prime minister, elect donald tusk of poland, who will most likely already be proposed by a coalition of opposition parties in the polish parliament, that is why this is our appeal, to some extent it was not even addressed, i'm sorry, and this should also

be taken into account, and this is an important point, so it's obvious. so this problem can now be solved at the highest level, already, if it is allowed, because here the question still arises about the level of our government and the level of our negotiators, and when, well, to what extent are these people capable of holding negotiations on the integration of ukraine into the european union, because we still have this task ahead of us, who did not see this problem, could not warn about it, and now the government cannot solve it, the deputies say, go there, resolve, so we understand that this is actually what the government should do in the first place, really. now it's a security issue. thank you, ms. victoria, ms. solomia, regarding the government officials and their actions that ms. victoria spoke about, do we react quickly to this, or do we react correctly if we we are not reacting correctly, these losses that exist are not only a problem only on the polish side, but also a problem on the ukrainian side, because

it does not happen that there is such a loud scandal regarding the blockade of the border with ukraine, and we do not could somehow derail it and take all the right steps to prevent it from happening, well, they could have prevented it, because mrs. sjumar rightly says that we have a long negotiation process ahead of us, hungary, slovakia, poland, and there in romania a lot may arise questions, to us, what to do in this situation, and who do you think should correct anyway? unfortunately, unfortunately, we can't hear you, sorry, you have something with the connection, ms. solomiya, we, we can't hear you, sorry, well, you have some kind of problem

with the microphone, probably not, now we'll try to redial. we can't hear you, i'm sorry, ms. elizaveta, how quickly do you think the government of ukraine and the ukrainian side will be able to influence those who block the ukrainian border and agree on the opening of the border, if possible very briefly, well, i think, finally, if poland she spoke, because in fact she didn't there was clear communication from the polish side, if poland has already made a statement and is ready to talk about it, i think that we should still hope that this issue will be resolved in the near future, because here i agree that this issue national security, this is an economic issue, and in general, how many people suffer from this, of course, it must be resolved very quickly, thank you, yelyzaveta yasko, solomiya bobrovska and viktoriya syumar were guests

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