[000:00:00;00] it is already becoming difficult enough to distinguish the difference between the interpretations of the russian pso, therefore the authorities, or rather the political leadership, should first of all set the emphasis, there should be either an interview, or some kind of statement from the president, the head of the administration or about the leading members of the president's team, who would break down the situation from a to z , put all the emphasis and explain the next steps of an elevated situation cannot be, because it creates a window of opportunity for russian propaganda, for the split of ukrainian society and the split in the political class. well, as far as i'm concerned, if there is some kind of fatigue from bezugly, then probably the easiest way to get rid of it is simply to remove her from the national security committee and introduce her, for example, to the health care committee, it will be her specialty, after all, she well, there is a doctor, psychologically, yes, and she was finally where she should be and

doing something, maybe finally. specialist, but here is another interesting thing, you already mentioned the words of zelensky, where he interprets the participation of the military in general in 2014, in politics, in the izasan article, we even have, it seems, a trick on this matter, here he writes that different political forces are pushing the military into politics, it was after 2014 when every political party wanted some military stars, wars, i think it was a very big mistake, they were pushed into politics because they were all destroyed, reputation they were destroyed, well, etc., the main thing is that he said that it was a mistake, and these are very strange words, because he himself, the servant of the people and in their party, faction also has people who were in the military in 2014, now it is beautiful,

for example, the deputy, yehor cherniv, i consider one one of the most worthy... actually deputies in this verkhovna rada, who is currently doing a lot of positive things and to say that his entry into politics was a mistake, well, you know, it is a little inadequate to the situation, and on the other hand, what is the problem for zelsky with the arrival of the military in politics, well, on the contrary, he should even welcome them into his party, why is he so afraid of the military, after all? well, first of all. i would, no, really, i don't really think that the use of the military in politics is a normal phenomenon, because we we hear ideas about the creation of parties of the military, the political power of the military, the demand for a strong hand, this is where it originates, stories about the fact that the military in politics gave more

discipline and quality, in fact no, but really... the arrival of the military after the 14th year is only a unit of they were able to realize themselves as politicians, while others were by and large more like frontmen who voiced certain political positions, trying to reach the military environment, or surfing on the trust of the army that was formed in 514, and on the other hand, i i understand the logic of the bank, because it says: that the military has discredited itself in politics, and by summarizing all this, they thus hint or convey a message to the same glaucum and some other generals who already see themselves or can see themselves in politics and whom the bank considers , well, if not competitors, then it sees certain challenges for itself, because

the mood in society is far from the 14th year and the support of the armed forces is at the level of 90% or more, if not 908, then it is obvious that in the eyes of the bank, this support of the armed forces translates into a possible rating of politicians, military politicians, but in the electoral process, there are no arithmetical rules, there is no automatic translation of the rating of the armed ... and run for office, that is, with this sign of equality , that this person, that military man, if he gets on the list, he adds some kind of weight, some percentage, this is not an ambiguous decision, it is an ambiguous result, so the elector

electoral logic, the electoral process does not work like that, there is no such arithmetic, take here and there, no, it does not work like that, in order to talk about the rating of this or that political force, there is a whole set of factors, if we are talking about conditional military, who have a level of... belief there, they are in knowledge, suddenly they find themselves at the forefront of political power, where corrupt people are represented, for example, or where there are old politicians, then this does not mean that all this 90% of trust and support will be this political by force, therefore i see here it is more, well, either a misunderstanding of electoral processes, or indeed certain phobias, fears, or rather fears that exist in the environment of the president regarding the fact that certain military personnel will go into politics, as history shows, sometimes military personnel become good politicians, and sometimes very bad ones . well, obviously, things are different, moreover, if we talk about our military, well, some of them, first of all, we understand that this phobia is related to zaluzhny, zaluzhny never once said that

he was going to engage in politics and leave somewhere in politics, he, well, he, he understands his profession, and he develops within the limits of the profession he once chose for himself, this is one thing, but another matter when we talk about those, well, hundreds of thousands of people who are now in the army, who are not military, they are people who had a civilian profession, they are now retired in the army, and why after they return to their civilian life, they cannot go into politics and we will treat them as some people , not as beautiful as zelsky likes, who avoided, for example, service in the army, i do not understand for example, for me this is not an understandable position a priori. olya, we are talking about professional soldiers, that is, they are not those who were mobilized, received a rank, because of them there was a military chair, or they had some military experience, and they came from civilian life to the army, stayed in the army during the war, then

demerized and went into politics, yes, these are not the people we are talking about in the presidential address, we are talking about professional military personnel, professional military personnel almost did not participate in the last elections either, there they there were two or three people, all, about ie. it was not a mass march and there is nothing to say about it at all, it is a normal fluctuation , just as there were as many priests, artists, there were actually more, but let's be honest, if we talk about the damage to the political process in general, then the damage from mass participation artists was higher, because there were more of them , it’s a pity, but somewhere, if we talk about the military, after 14 years at all councils of all levels, they can really be compared with the arrival, conscription, priests in organs in local councils and the supreme council sometime after 1991, we will remember that there were even some local councils where there were three or four priests as deputies of local councils, that is, somewhere it is

approximately in number, somewhere it is, and then there is a decrease in trust, then there is a reassessment that, again, there were mostly people who had been associated with the army for quite a long time, who returned there without resignation from another job, the army, well, that is also very strange, come on, this is such a story, i understood it's yours, well, most likely, it's just some really, well, phobia, but it's there one more thing that really struck me from what's been said the last few days, and let's hear it, because it's such an arachamia statement that, well, it's kind of overlooked, but given the talk that as he says, he clearly said that there will be no elections, we all agreed that there will be no elections and that there should not be, but at the same time, for some reason, he thinks that there can be some kind of referendum, let's see, now i think that everything ukraine's military, political and military leadership is about to

fight why? because we cannot sit down at the negotiating table now, we have a very bad negotiating position, why are we going to sit down now, where we remain, let's just finish, well, you think that the ukrainian... society will accept, i generally think that no matter how the war ends, except for a complete victory, uh, everything else has to be, pass through a referendum, because i'm not sure, i don't know, if maybe it will be an organic, you know, ending, like in korea, where nothing was signed, well, then maybe, maybe, and if someone is going to sign something, well, not me then it will have to be ratified in the parliament, well, the parliament will just kill each other, it will be very polar. views, and such things, i think, should only be done here through a referendum, because when the people say that it is necessary, then i will vote no, well, without looking, i will simply put my opinion away and do as the people said, and

if it will be said by the deputies, it has been decided, well, i don’t feel i have the strength to decide, much less to campaign for someone for something, i still haven’t understood why mr. rahamia doesn’t feel the strength to decide, that is, what is he preparing, what is he it is afraid to decide what we are talking about, maybe we are seeing all the fluctuations now , that is why we see, well, sometimes it is enough... it is difficult to analyze the speeches of some of our deputies, here we hear two mutually exclusive opinions, on the one hand, no elections, and on the other on the other hand, a referendum, a referendum when after the end of hostilities, no, instead of the end of hostilities, this is the impression, well, he says that after the end of the war, there will be a complete victory, or a referendum, a referendum to ratify something. signed,

yes, that is, we are talking about the post-war period, in the post-war period, a referendum should be held, which should legitimize what they can reach during the negotiation process, yes, he is talking about this somewhere, but this is a way of transferring responsibility to the citizens, because they have a mandate for negotiations , they are for this and the government, for which they voted in the 19th year, so you say: let's put every decision of the negotiation process to a referendum, well, this is speculation, absolutely speculation, the negotiation process is a complicated thing, constantly scold the people for him opinion, it is possible to conduct polls, but to talk about making some kind of decision in a referendum is, well, to some extent speculation, but in this way they cover, as they say, their way to retreat by

appealing to the people in case of need making unpopular decisions, well, this is important, because at the moment and arahamiya it records that the society will not accept another option for the end of the war than victory, everything else is unpopular decisions, and therefore it is a challenge by the leading authorities, in response to which the existing government does not yet have, and it is used... such a term as a referendum, supposedly consulted by the people, passed, passed, and brought to the consideration of the citizens an unpopular decision, giving, so to speak, the right to decide directly to the citizens, although they perfectly understand in authorities, how referendums are held, how it is possible to ensure the necessary result, that the answer there is either yes or no to the formulated question. that referendums have consultative direct actions,

that the referendum procedure also needs verification, provision of various possibilities the introduction of various agitations and access to mass media from different points of view and so on, that is, it is a lot, but if you can't, but na na sorry to interrupt, but the most important thing is, well, isn't this situation similar to the one you described when everyone says there will be no elections, but everyone... is preparing for them, and on the other hand, we are not negotiating, but for some reason we are talking about a referendum in order to secure something, well, that elections , that there are no negotiations, perhaps this is a ruse, because they are on different platforms negotiations, consultations are being conducted, maybe they are not direct, with the help of intermediaries, they are being conducted, although at least there is no exchange of hostages yet, but negotiations about this are going on, i am not revealing a big secret, but to say that there are no negotiations.

no, they are for one or another small case, there are no major negotiations that provided for the achievement of any agreements, key agreements on this war, there are no such negotiations at the moment, because none of the parties is ready to enter them officially yet, each side sees, the situation in such a way that it can change it in its favor, and what arahamia says , i am only concerned about two or two questions, if you want to hold elections and you want a farewell, but, let's say, you declare that you do not want to hold elections, but you want to hold a referendum, this is frankly manipulation and a lie, because the procedure for holding elections and a referendum, from the ectoral point of view, is identical, there will be securityism, if our citizens now talk about something, 56% according to a survey by the razumkovo center says that they do not want these elections not because of the war, but because during the elections pluralism and

competition of different political forces will not be ensured, and the results of these elections will be illegitimate in their eyes, then this also applies to the referendum, but in my opinion there is no guarantee that a different point of view will be provided and those who will be against the decision that they want to pass through a referendum will get a platform to present their position, thank you, thank you, i understood your point, yes, thank you, it was vitaly kulyk, a political scientist, well that's all, we'll meet. problems with the frontal joints limit movement, it is unpleasant and painful. strengthen them with the help of longit joints, these are bags with collagen and vitamin c to restore joint cartilage. doolgitis contributes to the normal functioning of the joints and has a positive effect on the health of the bones. stretching the joints improves

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everyone has the right to try in safety. see this week in the collaborators program. traitors with convictions, some of the fanatics of the kremlin are already behind bars. didn't say but how does the ukrainian fomida punish those who have been adapted for serving the occupiers? only russia, the russian federation came to the rescue. ukrainian justice in action. leaders of fake occupation institutions, informers, fire stokers, priests and simply fanatics of russia. which of them has already received a sentence? congratulations, this is the collaborators and i program olena kononenko. today i will tell you about those who are ukrainian. themis prosecuted for collaborative activities. during the occupation, they are obedient dogs of the kremlin, loudly chant glory to russia and kiss putin's portrait. secretly. either openly for a position or for the opportunity to earn, they help the rashists during the occupation of cities and villages. almost all traitors are sure that ukrainian

justice will not reach them, and their confidence is not shared by our law enforcement agencies, which collect information and evidence about the guilt of those who faithfully serve the russians during the occupation, after which the cases are sent to the court, where the traitors receive sentences. i want to recommend natalia nikolaevna, as a leader, this video about the appointment of a certain natalia bebeshko to the post of head of the village of nova zbur'ivka in the kherson region. we believe that russia will restore the infrastructure of the village, that the enterprises that are closed will start their work. nova azburgivka was occupied by the rashists in the first days of the full-scale invasion, since that time the occupiers established there, they set their own rules and put necessary and loyal people to the kremlin in key positions. such like natalia babeshko. she was born at the age of 58 in the city of hola-prystan, kherson district. she worked in the village council as an inspector of the apparatus and

director of the center of social services for families, children and youth. since 2010, she began to actively build a political career. she tried to become a deputy of the novozburiv village council from the party of regions, but did not pass. in the same way, she flew past the deputy seat in 2015 as a self-nominated candidate. lucky only in 2020, when her. chose deputy of novozburiv village council. but in the end , bebeshko betrayed her voters and her oath to serve the ukrainian people faithfully. when the russians began to capture the villages on february 24, she hid her ukrainian id card and began to build a new political career, only by russian standards. and what are they there? if you have an iconostasis of putin, kiss him before going to bed and constantly repeat, russia i am the liberator, you automatically become ideal. politician, and what we see today, only russia, the russian federation came to the rescue? the occupiers appointed bebeshko, head of

the administration of novaya zburgivka. the long-awaited event, the opening of the work of our village council, the arrival of the russian federation, i believe that an opportunity opens for a young person, which was closed under our previous government. the sale promised to start on the first of september. education in rural schools according to russian standards and expressed the hope that the occupiers will restore the work of closed enterprises, actively expressed support for russian peace, discredited the armed forces of ukraine and the authorities of ukraine, filming for reports on russian tv channels. she justified the occupation of the village and assured that for the prospects of its further development under the so-called new government, she demonstratively distributed russian rubles to the residents of the village, a kind of help from the russian federation. i

love my family. and i hate the state, the state basically abandoned us, tortured us, told us that there was an eight-year war going on in the donbass, told us that we were at war with russia, we all saw what russia is like and what the regular russian army is like, this traitor took part in the organization pseudo-referendum on the accession of the kherson region to the russian federation and conducted campaigning activities among the local population in order to attract ukrainians to illegal voting. on october 10 , 2023 , the teplodar city court of the odesa region sentenced bebeshko to 10 years in prison with confiscation of property and disqualification from holding positions in state authorities for 15 years. unfortunately, the village of nova zburgivka is still occupied, but soon our armed forces will take it. and there, and we really hope that babeshko will not run away

it will be possible, because the cell in the prison is so empty without it, he filmed a video for russian propaganda and received seven years of imprisonment, we are talking about yuretsky sergey viktorovich , born in 1981, he was born in the city of norilsk in russia, seven years later he came to odesa, where and stayed and started publishing in the genre of fantasy under the pseudonym serhiy stepanenko. in 2013, he wrote for the russian publishing house fantascope. yuretsky was not only engaged in writing. during the maidan era, he headed the anti-maid rapid reaction group and advocated ideas of russian peace. he also distinguished himself by his comments to the russian media regarding the so-called shooting of civilians by the kyiv authorities near the building of the prospilok building. after these events, yuretskyi spent some time in the russian-occupied crimea. later, he got a job as a bodyguard in private security. narodna varta agency in odesa. when the army of the russian federation invaded our lands, this traitor knew for sure that he would become a useful occupier. together with cameraman

oleksandr sushchenko, yuretskyi began filming a propaganda video commissioned by the kremlin. one of the last jobs they did for uah 8,000 was a staged video about the course of mobilization in ukraine. yureisky acted as a military commissar, telling the camera how he hunts men of draft age to avoid being sent to the front himself. about the measures adopted by kyiv after the reduction of the number of volunteers in the ranks of the ukrainian armed forces. and at one fine moment, the head of the tsk came and reported. guys, we have good news for you all the way from kiev itself, and now we have a plan, at least 70 souls per month on the grounds, that is, catch, bring, and otherwise, in the donbass itself, in your opinion, will it last for long? if western countries had not added fuel to the fire in the form of finance and technology, then most likely it

would have ended long ago. the content of the questions and answers is verbatim. in the interview the traitors received from the russian curators. the resulting content was broadcast on the russian state tv channel and on the internet. here's another piece from this one-actor performance. aren't you afraid to talk openly about what is really happening in ukraine? well, on ukrainsky television, i would like nothing like that didn't say these producers of propaganda were detained in mid-june 2023, already on october 4, 2023, by the primorsky district court of the city. odessa sentenced yuretskyi to seven years of imprisonment. now he will entertain his cellmates with his bad acting. and this collaborator and friend of iliva was sentenced to eight years in prison. meet volik mykola leontivych, born in 1975. before the full-scale invasion, he was both a businessman and a local politician.

according to yukontrol, volyk is the owner of 50% of the reis private enterprise. which was engaged in passenger transportation in melitopol and, in particular, received subcontracts for the transportation of schoolchildren, he also headed the municipal utilities chistota dva, melitopol communal service and rembud, but his heart was torn into politics, in 2015 volyk was elected a deputy of the melitopol city council from the banned socialist party, and in 2020 ran for council from the banned opzh party, interestingly, it was ilya kiva who helped with the choice of parties, because it is known that volyk was in close contact with the ex-people's deputy. we came to politics, for this we received your trust, your trust to fight, against ukraine and against the ukrainian people. the case when he accidentally voiced the kremlin's task. after february 24, volyk, like his friend kyva,

decided to hide his true views. when melitopol was occupied by the rashists, he met them as relatives, the invaders appointed him to the position of deputy head of the melitopol administration, at which he promised local businessmen crushing if they stayed in the city, before that he wrested property from agrarians, forced the heads of communities to resume education in schools of the region according to russian programs, and also demanded to provide lists of teachers and students. voleks encouraged law enforcement officers to work in the occupation forces and claimed. that ukraine will not exist, but the traitor himself has every chance of not existing, local partisans arranged a big boom right next to his house in december last year, although it was not successful, but who knows, maybe the next time will be successful. and while this living rat is hiding in the occupied territories, the court is already in ukraine sentenced him.

in september of this year, the law enforcement officers proved to the judge that mykola volyk, a member of the opzh, worked with the russian occupiers, for which he was sentenced in absentia to eight years of imprisonment, and we really hope that he will serve them. it was the program collaborators and i, olena kononenko. if you want to talk about the kremlin sellers, write to us at this e-mail address or just on facebook, together we will send all the traitors on the trail of the russian ship. see you in a week on espresso. finland closes all checkpoints on the border with russia, the details of that event and others will be told by the news team, good evening

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