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[000:00:00;00] she doesn't like the hard worker there, well, yes, it doesn't work like that, ms. oksana, what do you think, is it possible to talk about some, perhaps political, roar of political jealousy, political competition, or is it possible that the leadership, the civilian leadership of the state is preparing replacement of the head of the armed forces of ukraine, just now such an information ground is being prepared, well , you see, he did not submit a plan there, the mobilization plan was not submitted either. now there will be some problems at the front, so he is also guilty and must answer, even the people's deputies are talking about it, no only there, at the commander-in-chief's post or, let's say, in the offices of the president's office, well, let's start with the fact that when the defense committee was formed at the very beginning, and we still entered the parliament, when
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the war had been going on since 2014. then any candidacy that was elected to this committee, among the people's deputies, it actually happened with the consent of not only the servants of the people faction, if we are talking about their composition, including other colleagues from other factions, after all, it was people agreed, and therefore when today and not only today, but when constantly for a certain time, mariana, because i am other members of the committee, i don’t know who constantly gives out some different moments, allows himself to comment and take on himself eh these are, you know, the black side eh those opinions that prevail somewhere in the president's office or in her other houses, it is difficult to tell you now, because there is no reaction as such, nevertheless, we
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somewhere... suspect that this is all sanctioned, besides, we somewhere understand , what, recently ms. maryana released the following information about mobilization, i just forgot to add that these are just some general exercises, that it has not yet been accepted, and all these things are throws into society that she consciously carries out, she agreed to this role, to such a role of a person who will constantly make mistakes, and you know that under this government they are constantly testing , you know, there was an arrester who tested society on the one hand, now this role has been assigned to her, and she does it with great joy, with great joy , in addition, we understand that this is a targeted attack, going on zaluzhny, that is, daily posts about everyone, about his friends, about colleagues, about what happened and several times a day, that is,
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we understand perfectly. this is all sanctioned, do they not like the hard worker, maybe they don’t like it, because in the end, not everyone should like the military, they have to do their job well, and we politicians and civilians, definitely, sometimes we don’t fully understand, but understanding that state of affairs , which today, we definitely have to trust them, i will say even more about the plan, you know, i am very glad that zaluzhny emphasized no plan , this gives me more and more hope that there really is a plan, because when the active invasion began in february, if he had listened to everything he was told, the russian troops would have advanced much further, and zaluzhny did everything possible in order to stop them, and that not only he did everything possible, but also volunteers and the armed forces of ukraine. second, if he handed over our plan,
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including the su, this plan would become known to the russian federation, i think, well, almost an hour or two, and i would definitely be convinced that today it is impossible to trust everyone, because there are really many people in the council who, in fact , serve the enemy in various ways, both politically and in providing information, so clearly, there is no need to talk about it, but we state the fact that in such a difficult time, very difficult battles at the front, deliberately, the monomajority and the government are destabilizing the situation, reacting exclusively to social polls, to the fact that they are worried, and here, perhaps , a hard-working person does not think of going into politics, and then trust in the current president will be shaken , so let's rock the boat with middle, then i will tell them one thing, whoever rocks
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the boat, actually rocks the whole country. this is very dangerous, i believe that we, as the parliament, and the regulatory committee, others should as much as possible forbid her from attending the meetings of the committee and the parliament at all, considering... that today she is an absolute person who does not control herself, and we do not care who she is what order did he give and whose command does she follow, well, she clearly does not follow the command to be, well, an adequate representative of the security committee, well , look, ladies and gentlemen, about adequacy again, some deputies of the verkhovna rada, because this week there was information that 50 people's deputies signed an appeal: in the name of stefanchuk, ruslan, the speaker of the parliament, to submit to the venice commission the law on banning the moscow church in ukraine under number 83
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-71, among them there are 20 deputies - they are servants of the people, it is clear that there are deputies from opzzh, but what they are doing, they are actually creating the prerequisites for this internal split, which will necessarily ... in society, therefore what, well, if they have already taken it and made this draft law in the first reading, well, it is not about banning the activities of the ukrainian orthodox church, but about streamlining the activities of religious organizations, but it follows from the fact that there should not be a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and here they are trying through the venice commission to break the theme that it does not correspond to european legislation, in general, to the norms of european laws. and a completely logical question arises, whether they have interests, that is, whether they are simply people who are used, or whether they
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are people who are paid by the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and in this way try to secure themselves or continue living in ukraine, mrs. sofia, what do you think about such people's deputies , because well, in the conditions of war, to keep a large fifth column, which is now a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, it is dangerous from the point of view of national security and defense. well, to begin with, we have a census of deputies, which the security service of ukraine should now deal with as soon as possible and check each individual for connections, and i think that it is not only in opzh, where everyone is essentially a moscow agent. but the question lies with the people's servants and those few deputies from other factions or non-factions who dared to sign this so-called petition.
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the second point, now we will follow the actions of ruslan stefanchuk, it will be the same, you know, follow the hands of the swindlers, because a similar situation was and stood before andriy parubiy, when the law on language was adopted, there were also a lot of obstructions, there were also the same submission to the venetian commission by the way, all these things are recommendations, what the venice commission says, and the decisions of the constitutional court are directly binding, so here we still have to filter, and then andriy parubiy, he refused to make all these submissions, in this case, stefanchuk has the same the possibility to either submit or not to submit to the venice commission, therefore we will closely monitor the actions of a resident of ternopil, a resident of the west of ukraine, who should have a very clear anti-moscow state and church position, the third point, what, what should we all do with that, is shows a big problem that we have both in the parliament and in the state, because we are still in the second year of a full-scale invasion, despite, it seems, four draft laws that prohibit, should
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prohibit the presence of parliamentarians from banned parties in the verkhovna rada and in other local self-government bodies, this fifth column is very actively sitting here and they are becoming stronger and stronger as i go , because i think if we had adopted these bills earlier, it would have been a little easier, and the fourth, this bill , government which accepted, despite the fact that my fellow deputies and i are trying to finalize it as much as possible before the second reading , so that it is effective, so that it really has at least some influence, but it is actually quite toothless, and opens a pandora's box of massive lawsuits that will be brought by the moscow ... the church, if the council wanted, if the state was interested in a draft law that complies with all international conventions, all international treaties, postulates, human rights and so on, then it would be necessary to take up mykola knyazhytsy's draft law, where it is
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the first signatory of 8221, and we would have avoided a lot of problems, however, my colleagues can confirm that we did not push through, as we did not try to incorporate various bills of deputies from different factions. in particular, oksana savchuk and iryna konstantkevich, and in order to make the most effective draft law, the verkhovna rada, with great fights and threats, only passed the government preliminary review. and it is good that it has been successful so far, but there is still a very important point, i understand that both the moscow church and pro-moscow deputies, here i emphasize once again, we now have an exact list of the pro-moscow scoundrels who have now signed this bill, it is like a submission, and they are afraid not only of the adoption of this bill, they are afraid of it even in the form in which it has not yet been adopted, which means that even this is the position that we ban the hebii fsb. structure, it
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is perceived very positively by the citizens of ukraine, and that is why we need to accumulate all our strength in order to succeed and still bring the matter to completion, to victory. thank you ms. sofia, mr. mykhailo, please tell me, from the point of view of the interests of the state and national security and defense, the things that mrs. sofia is talking about and what we are all talking about, that the branch of the roc in ukraine it should be reformed, or i don’t know, reorganized , dissolved, er, the state should promote this situation, because in a different way, during the war, well , it simply shouldn’t be, to whom and why, after all, you must prove it every time, that is , who does not want the branch of the russian orthodox church in
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ukraine to cease its existence. in fact, that what a difficult situation in the verkhovna rada, the position of many deputies is so diverse, i agree with sofia that we need this draft law, which was voted in the first reading, it does not solve matters in essence, because of that, now we need to focus all attention and all efforts to put pressure on the heads of factions and groups, so that the draft law mentioned by my colleague is still brought to the session hall and voted on, it really solves the problem, mr. serhiy, that you said, we need to put an end to this once and for all columns of the russian federation in ukraine, this is not a church, and this bill by knyazhytsy and a group of people's deputies, including those present here, not in this studio or on this program, we will demand, and this is the way, because
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the appeal to the venice commission will take time and remove some tension, we don't need it, or rather, not even tension, but accents with them, we need it, and we will demand its inclusion from next week, because it is not an alternative, it is a different bill, and it can be considered in the session hall, and this is the one the path to be followed by the verkhovna rada of ukraine. i am sure that with joint efforts we will be able to push through, and i do not see any prospects with that draft law, moreover, it speaks to the topic, because the judicial injunction, which is provided for in this draft law, is a road to nowhere, it is a delay of the process itself for years, we unfortunately, we know how our courts work. because of that, he does not solve the issue, this
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is such an attempt of the cabinet of ministers to talk at all, and not to solve the problem. thank you, ms. oksana, you, if i'm not mistaken, are still in april 22nd, they proposed a draft law on banning the activities of the roc branch in ukraine, why do you think, it is already the second year, it will be two years without a political decision, i understand that we are talking about a political decision, which should be , about this, and you know, really, i registered on march 21 of last year, and i remember very well how they called me, and what scandals there were, how there were shouts, uh, well, how can it be on this topic to encroach, not only that, i will tell you that so many people's deputies did not understand the depth of this such a problem, this scourge of these
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agents the fsb, she even said that this cannot be done in wartime, but six months later, some have already changed their minds, some have started to support, i will say even more, i deliberately went, actually, to the pochaiv lavra a week ago in order to to see what is actually happening there, because there is a lot of attention somewhere and on the kyiv-pechersk lavra, but what about pochaev, i will tell you , look, they continue there very successfully, all those who sat there before, they are there there continue to be, many russian-speaking people, continue and further to... repairs reconstruction for no more than billions of dollars, that is, everything is being repaired and fixed there, various people , tourists, come around there, they continue to be told all these mantras, all the locals explained to me that
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all the houses in two or three streets around the lavra have already been completely bought up and the land of local people, various russian-speaking rich people who come there, that is, we understand that this is, and there are a lot of such centers of russian influence in ukraine, including in the west of the country, and to pretend that nothing it's happening, you know, it's criminal in our time when we have such a problem. second, those who showed themselves and signed this appeal are still the tip of the iceberg, because i have analyzed very well all those who do not vote. in the first reading, and i am very ashamed that there are colleagues who position themselves as modern politicians, in fact they are still not modern and pro-ukrainian at heart, some simply did not come to the meeting that day, but this means that they are hidden , who are not ready
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to vote for it, that is why the mobilization of those deputies who are really ready and the political will of the servant of the people is very important, as for the speaker, then here really, or he will show character, well, at least this one, and say it once, by the way, he should have already reacted, he should have already made his point vision, and not to be silent, because that is what the speakers do, that is what those who are actually the leaders of the parliament do, and it is very bad that there is no such position, because, well, most likely, someone has not told it to him yet, all the president, unfortunately, as no matter how sad it sounds, it must be his personal position, and i will tell you honestly that what i personally i did it myself, i appealed to the local and regional councils, they will meet now, the ternopil regional council is already meeting this week, the frankivska regional council is meeting next week, let them actively initiate appeals, some colleagues confirmed to me in the local councils that they will appeal and demand from
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the parliament , from the speaker, the immediate adoption of the draft law, but by the way, i submitted my amendments where on... in this and that draft bill, and it is not easy, to write down that there are still ways of this ban, because so that you understand, they just brought uah 300, 500 , 8,000 in cash to these parishes every month, they distributed it among themselves, they bought these people who did agency work, and this is happening now, that is, it did not go anywhere, then people came with suitcases and they are given these funds, and the security service must react to this, simply intercept such things , and i am very sorry that today we have not put a full stop to this, to these fsb lagagens, but we will fight for this to happen, thank you ms. oksano, after after a short break, we will return to our
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stretch your joints, move freely. friends, this is the verdict program. we work directly on the air, we continue our conversation with our guests, but before continuing the part that concerns the end of our program, i would like to remind you that during the program we conduct a survey and ask you whether ukraine needs diplomatic relations with belarus, yes, no, please vote on us on youtube, and also see on tv screens, phone numbers, 0800, 2001, 30, 381, if you think that ukraine needs diplomatic relations with belarus, no, 0800 211-382, all calls on these numbers are free of charge, vote, we still have 9 minutes, and today we have sofia fedina, oksana savchuk, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's deputies of ukraine as guests. you know, ladies and gentlemen, i actually wanted to dedicate these 9 minutes to one person whom
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the american political publication today called the green cardinal of ukraine, because he became andriy yermak, he was included in the 28 most influential politicians, the most influential people in europe were honored this year, well, there is no first place, obviously, tonight it should be... the name of the person who is in the first place is announced place, maybe zelenskyi will be there, and maybe zelenskyi won't be there, there are no answers yet, but yermak is defined as an activist, as a person who is close to zelenskyi, why zeleny was beaten, that he is a representative of zelenskyi's team, he always wears green , and here is such a person, actually on the european and world political arena, that's how you evaluate. the fact that yermak from the head of the president's office, well, in fact, as they say, became the green
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cardinal of ukraine, because i don't know whether they are being ironic in this case, or they are they want to name yermak, but they don't call him the vice president, because we don't have a vice president according to the constitution, mrs. sofia, you know, it's both funny and sad and a crazy shame for our ukraine. of the state, when the secretary of state administration represents the ukrainian nation, which is fighting for its liberation, there is a huge train of treasonous, possibly treasonous scandals behind it, and in fact, the armed forces of ukraine, and the president, and the government, and the parliament, but still the parliamentary- presidential republic, here if we were to talk about some kind of influence, we would have to talk about the influence of the people of ukraine, after all, whom we trust...our western partners and with whom, above all, in the form of these strange persons, they conduct negotiations and
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provide us with assistance, i think that this is rather a shame, i i think that this is rather sarcasm, and i think that for us it would rather slip out of the way of showing that we have a disabled parliament or a disabled president, which is kind of incomprehensible, i apologize for the slang, a person represents the ukrainian state and is very, very influence i would not like it to be so and in my opinion, this should make president zelensky think, it personally humiliates him, just as it humiliates the whole of ukraine, but ukrainians, the armed forces, defenders, volunteers, we do our job anyway, we know our place and role anyway , and yermak, i hope, in due time will not only remain on the sidelines of history, but will also be responsible for his actions according to the law. thank you, ms. sofia, mr. mykhailo, well, in principle, there is such a fact, and it is obvious to europeans and to the leaders of the countries
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of the world, who, by the way, also got there in this rating as activists, you probably also have many questions about yermak's powers, just like we have many questions about whether he is exercising constitutional powers or not , well, actually, this is not a constitutional body, the president. although every first person changed its name, it was the presidential administration, that is, others, but in fact, i emphasize once again, it is not a constitutional body, although for the sake of justice, i will depart from political assessments here, andriy yermak is a professional person, he has a good education, and actually in this position he managed to concentrate his attention on what not only ensures the activities of the supreme commander during martial
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law. he also heads the commission for cooperation with our international partners. ukraine, the usa, as well as him, trust him. otherwise, we know the position of our partners, who would dictate a different condition in case of any danger. because of that, andriy yarmak is actually a floating person today, and time will tell if there were actually certain excesses or excesses of authority. you know, it's important to me another thing, it is important for me that ukraine wins, and the winners are not judged, i am sure that the victory will be ours, and then the role of all those who are either empowered or without powers will be known, performing one or the other, representations from on behalf of the state, so far he actually managed
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to concentrate power, probably during martial law. this is partially justified. it is important that president zelensky, as the supreme commander , trusts him and all those who today are the entourage of the first person of the state. thank you, mr. mykhailo, ms. oksana, what does this threaten, ot the political landscape of the parliament, the government, other governing bodies in the state, when the head of the president's office, well, in fact, he is the prime minister, and the minister of foreign affairs, and the person who represents. on behalf of the head of state ukraine at various negotiations? well, first of all, there was never a lack of support in ukraine before, such a large faction, a monomajority that has its own president, this is exactly what we will move away from, that is, it is precisely from the great totality of power that more and more mechanisms were created that we had not
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seen before, that is, even if with others presidents... were leaders or administrations or others, they always had to have some representatives in political debates, but these representatives were not in almost all key positions in the country, and with the beginning of the war, when in fact there is no freedom of speech as such, because many of space are controlled, a lot of information is hidden because of the war, the influence of the head of the president's office has increased even more. in the end , the foreign publication saw what was happening, because on any trips, of any level, the president took, in fact yermak with himself and at the last meeting in the states, he was generally alone, and we did not actually see our diplomats there as such, and that is why the relevant conclusions were drawn
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by international experts, and ukrainian society must draw these conclusions, i understand that not all people want to be interested in politics, for some, you know, as they say, it doesn't matter who, if there was something, believe me, it's all important, you need to analyze these things, understand them and definitely give them, well tukvatnuyu, thank you ms. oksano, sofia fedina, oksana savchuk and mykhailo tsimbalyuk were guests today's program, thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program, i would like to remind you that during the program we conducted a survey and asked you about such things, whether ukraine needs them. diplomatic relations with belarus. now we will look at the results of the survey that we conducted on the phone for those who called us to the studio and voted , so what is the proportion of yes, no, who supports diplomatic relations between ukraine and belarus and whether
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they are necessary 82% of those who say that these diplomatic... relations are not needed, 18% that are needed, on i watch youtube, the proportion is about the same as 1981, these are the results of this survey, it was the verdict program , congratulations serhii rudenko, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye. usual things become unreal, heavy bags are not for my sick back, for back pain, try dolgit cream. kremgit relieves pain, reduces swelling and improves joint mobility. with cream dolgit, what you want i will lift. dollgit is the only yellow cream for pain in the joints and back. laughter, physical activity, sneezing, even during such a small one stress, urinary incontinence can make
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