[000:00:00;00] banker in the first office, in fact it may not be, it may be the position of some bank players who would like to speed it up, or it is the position of the most blunt person who expressed an opinion that echoes on the sidelines, she wanted to gain favor with someone in this way, that is, while i would not exaggerate the fault line between the banking and military leadership, this is, firstly, secondly, there have already been cases when the alleged conflict between the president and the zaluzhny could be interpreted as... only management decision and resignation, no, they turned the page, came to some sort of understanding, and work continued constructively. this time, the ball is now on the bank account, and they have to react to it, or they say, then they confirm the words of the coalface, and say that there are questions for zaluzhny and they demand, for example, a personnel decision, or vice versa, no they require a personnel decision, and they require

some document, some definition. in the plans and in those questions that bezuval asks, because frankly, some questions are quite they are correct, they are heard not only among the deputies of the verkhovna rada, but this is civil society, experts ask this question before the military leadership, so it is also worth considering that it is not all the nonsense that our people's deputies sometimes carry, at least sometimes so it seems, therefore i would not commit a great treason without it. and the catastrophe, i see here that interpretations are now included to a large extent, and by and large, the difference between interpretations is already becoming difficult enough for the russian pso to distinguish, so the authorities, or rather the political leadership, should first of all set the emphasis, there should be either an interview or some kind of statement from the president,

the head of the administration or about the leading members of the president's team, who would lay out the situation from a to z, put all the emphasis and explain there can be no further steps, an elevated situation, because this creates a window of opportunity for russian propaganda to split ukrainian society and split the political class. well, as far as i'm concerned, if there is any kind of fatigue from being cornerless, then it's probably the easiest to get rid of it simply by take her out of the national security committee and introduce her to, for example, the committee... to health care, it will be in her specialty, after all, she is a doctor, psychologically, yes, and she was finally where she should be, i would be engaged, maybe finally in something professional, but here is another interesting thing, you already mentioned the words of zelensky , where he interprets the participation of the military in general in 2014, in politics, in the article of zsan, we even have, it seems, a graphic on this

matter, here he writes there that various flights... forces are pushing the military into politics, that was it after 2014, when every political party wanted some military, war stars, and i think it was a very big mistake, they were pushed into politics because they were all destroyed, their reputations were destroyed, well, etc., the main thing is that he said that it was a mistake, and these are very strange words, because he himself, the servant of the people and in their party, has factions... there are also people who were in the military in 2014, now it is wonderful, for example, a deputy yehor cherniv, i believe, is one of the most worthy, truly deputies in this verkhovna rada, who is currently doing a lot everything positive, and to say that his entry into politics was a mistake, well, you know, it is a little inadequate to the situation, and on the other hand, what is the problem for zelensky with

the entry of the military into politics, well, on the contrary. he should even welcome them into his party, why, why is he so afraid of the military, after all? well, first of all, i would, no , really, i don't really think that the use of the military in politics is a normal phenomenon, because we hear ideas about the creation of military parties, the political power of the military, the request a strong hand, from here it is born, that the military gave more discipline in politics, brought a new quality , in fact no, really, the arrival of the military after the 14th year, only a few of them were able to realize themselves as politicians, while others were to a large account more like, frontmen who voiced certain political positions, trying to reach the military

environment or on the trust of the army, which was formed after the 14th year, on the other hand, i understand the logic of the bank, because talking about the fact that the military prepared themselves in politics, and summarizing all this, they thus hint or convey a message to the same head of state and some other generals who already see themselves or can see themselves in politics and whom the bank considers, well, if not competitors, then they see certain challenges for themselves, because the mood in society is far from the 14th year and support for the armed forces is at the level of 90% or more, if not 98, then it is obvious that in the eyes of the bank, this support for the armed forces translates into a possible rating of politicians, politicians

military, but in the electoral process, there are no arithmetical rules, there is no automatic transfer of the rating of the armed forces, the level of support by citizens. on specific military personnel who enter politics and run for office, that is, this sign of equality, what is this person, that military person, if we get on the list, he adds some percentage, this is not an ambiguous decision, it is an ambiguous result, that is, yes, the electorate is electoral logic , the electoral process does not work like that, there is no such arithmetic, take here and add here, no, that's not how it works, in order to. talk about the rating of this or that political force, there is a whole complex of factors, if we are talking about conditional military personnel who, having a level of trust, there, they are in the know, suddenly they find themselves at the forefront of a political force, where corrupt people are represented, for example, or where there

are old politicians, this does not mean that all these 90% of trust and support will be this political force, so i see here more, well, either a misunderstanding of electoral processes, or really certain ones. fears, or rather, fears that are in the environment of the president, regarding the fact that certain military personnel will go into politics, as history has shown, sometimes military personnel become good politicians, and sometimes very bad ones, well, obviously, it is different, moreover, if we talk about our military, well, part of them, first of all, we understand that this phobia is related to the hard worker, the hard worker never said that he was going to be involved in politics and go somewhere in politics, he is, well, he, he understands his profession and he develops within the limits of that profession, which he once chose for himself is one thing and another

the thing is, when we're talking about the, well, hundreds of thousands of people who are in the military right now, who are not in the military, they're people who had a civilian career, they're now in the military, and why after they go back to their civilian lives , they cannot go into politics and we will interpret them as some people, not as good-looking as zelsky likes, who evaded, for example, service in the army, i do not understand, for example, for me this is an incomprehensible position a priori, olya, language but we are talking about professional soldiers, that is , they are not those who were mobilized and received rank, due to the fact that they had a military chair, or had some military experience, and they entered the army from civilian life, stayed in the army during the war, then demerized and went into politics, so these are not the people we are talking about the president... address, we are talking about professional military personnel, yes, professional military personnel almost did not participate in the last elections either, there were two or three people, that’s all, that is, it was not a mass march and there is nothing to say about it at all, it a normal

fluctuation, exactly as it was there were actually more priests, artists, but let's be honest, if we talk about the damage to the political process in general, then the damage from the mass participation of artists was higher, because there were more of them, it's a pity, but somewhere about the military, then after the 14th year, at all councils of all levels, they can really be compared with the coming of priests to bodies, local councils and the supreme council sometime after the 91st year. we will recall that there were even some local councils where there were three or four priests as deputies of local councils, i.e. somewhere it approximately in terms of quantity, it is somewhere, and then there is a decrease in confidence, then there is a revaluation. well, again, there were mostly people there who had been associated with the army for quite a long time, who returned there without resignation from another job in the army, well, that is also very strange, well, come on, it's such a story, uh, i understand

yours is, well, most likely, it's just some really well phobia, but there's another thing that really struck me from what's been said in the last few days, and let's hear it, because it's such an arachamia statement, which. .. well, as if how he was not paid attention to, but in view of the conversations that, as he says , he clearly said that there will be no election, we all agreed that there will be no election and that it should not be, but. .. at the same time, for some reason, he thinks that there can be some kind of referendum, let's see, now i think that the entire leadership of ukraine is military, both political and military, about fighting, why? because we cannot sit down at the negotiating table now, our negotiating position is very bad, why will we sit down now, where we remain, let's just finish, well, do you think that the ukrainian society will accept, i generally think that no matter how the war ends , except for a complete victory, well, everything else must

be, pass through a referendum, because i'm not sure, i don't know, if maybe it will be organic, you know, the ending, like in korea, where nothing was signed, huh, then maybe, maybe, but if someone signs something, well, not me, and then it will have to be ratified in the parliament, well, the parliament is just, well, alone will kill one, there will be polar views, and such things, i think, are just necessary. do it through a referendum, because when the people say that it is necessary, then i will vote no , well, without looking, i will just put my opinion away and do as the people said, and if it happens, the deputies will say, decide, well, i don't i feel that i have the strength to decide , even more so to campaign for something, i never understood what it is that mr. rahamia does not feel the strength to decide, i.e. what is he preparing? that he is afraid to decide this, what is it

all about, maybe we see all the fluctuations now, that is why we see, well, sometimes it is quite difficult to analyze the speeches of our deputies, some, here we hear two mutually exclusive opinions, on the one hand we will vote no, and on the other hand, a referendum, a referendum when after the end of the hostilities, no, well, instead of the end of the hostilities, this is the impression, well, it will be after the end of the war, as a complete victory, or a referendum, a referendum to ratify something signed , yes, that is, we are talking about the post-war period, in the post-war period, holding some kind of referendum, which should legitimize what they during the negotiation process can to leave, yes, that's what he's talking about somewhere, but this transference to the citizens is that they have a mandate for negotiations,

they also have the government for which they voted in the 19th year. therefore, to talk about the fact that , let's put every decision of the negotiation process to a referendum, well, this is speculation, absolutely speculation. the negotiation process is a complicated thing, constantly scolding the people for their opinion, you can conduct polls, but talk about submitting some decision to a referendum? this is , well, to some extent speculation, but in this way they are covering, as they say, their, er, there is a way for retreat by appealing to the people in the event of the need to make unpopular decisions, this, this is important, because at the moment and arahamia it records that another option for the end of the war, or victory, the society will not accept, everything else. these are unpopular decisions, and therefore, it is a challenge to

the existing government, to which the existing government does not have an answer yet, and it uses such a term as a referendum, allegedly after consulting the people, brought it, and brought it citizens consider an unpopular decision, giving, so to speak, the right to decide directly to citizens, although they perfectly understand in power how a referendum is conducted. how can you ensure the necessary result, that the answer is either yes or no to the formulated question, that referendums have consultative direct actions, that the referendum procedure also needs verification, ensuring different possibilities of introducing different agitations and access to mass media from different points of view, and so on other, that is, it's a lot, but if you can't provide... at least i'm sorry that

i interrupt, but the most important thing is, well, isn't this situation similar to the one you described, when everyone says there will be no elections, but everyone is preparing for them, and on the other hand, we are not negotiating, but for some reason we are talking about a referendum for that , in order to secure something, well, the fact that the elections, the fact that the negotiations are not being conducted, maybe this is a ruse, because negotiations and consultations are being conducted on different platforms, maybe they are not direct, but with the help of intermediaries, they are being conducted, although at least that of the exchanged prisoners so far that is not happening, but negotiations about it are going on, i i am not revealing a big secret, but to say that there are no negotiations, no, they are on one or another small case, two big negotiations, which provided for the achievement of some agreements, key agreements on this war, there are no such negotiations at the moment, because none parties is not yet ready to officially enter them, each party sees the situation as such that it can change it in its favor. what

arahamia says, i am activated only two, two questions, if you want to hold an election, but do not want a cable, but let's say you state that you do not want to hold elections, but you want to hold a referendum, this is an outright manipulation and a lie, because the procedure for holding elections and a referendum, from an electoral point of view, is identical, it must be securityism, if our citizens are now talking about that 56%, according to the survey of the razumkovo center, say that they do not want these elections, not because of the war, but because they will not be ensured during the elections, the competition of various political forces, and the results of these elections will be illegitimate in their eyes, then it applies the referendum too, but i have no guarantee that a different point of view will be provided and those who will be against the decision that i want to pass through a referendum will get a podium to convey their position, thank you, thank you, i understood your point, yes thank you, it was vitaly kulyk,

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not say anything like that on ukrainian television. but how the ukrainian themis punishes the adapted for serving the occupiers. only russia, russian federation. came to the rescue. ukrainian justice in action. leaders of fake occupation institutions, informers, fire adjusters, priests and simply fanatics of russia. which of them has already received a verdict? greetings, this is the collaborators program and i, olena kononenko. today i will tell you about those whom ukrainian themis brought to justice for collaborative activities. during the occupation, they are obedient dogs of the kremlin, loudly chanting glory to russia and. portrait of putin. secretly or openly for a position or for the opportunity to earn. they help the rashists during the occupation of cities and villages. almost all traitors are confident. ukrainian justice will not reach them. but their confidence is not shared by our law enforcement agencies, which collect information and evidence about the guilt of those who faithfully serve the russians during the occupation.

after which the cases are sent to the court, where the traitors receive sentences. i want to recommend nikolaevna to you. as the head of the village council, this is a video of the appointment of natalia bebeshko to the post of head of the village of novazburiivka in the kherson region. we believe that russia will restore the infrastructure of the village, that the enterprises that are closed will start their work. new zburgivka was occupied by the rashists in the first days of the full-scale invasion. since then, the occupiers have established their own rules there and installed the necessary and people loyal to the kremlin in... key positions , such as nataliya babeshko, 58, born in the city of golapristany, kherson district, worked in the village council, inspector of the apparatus and director of the center of social services for family, children and youth, since 2010 began to actively build a political career, tried to become a deputy of the novozburiv village council from the party

of regions, but did not pass, she also missed the deputy seat in 2015, as a self-nominated person she was lucky only in 2020, when she was elected a deputy of the novozburiv village council, but in the end, bebeshko also betrayed her voters and her oath to serve the ukrainian people faithfully , when on february 24... the russians began to seize villages, she hid her ukrainian id card and began to build a new political career, only by russian standards, and what are they there ? if you have an iconostasis of putin, kiss him before going to bed and constantly repeat, russia is the liberator, you automatically become an ideal politician. and what we see today, only russia, the russian federation came to the rescue. the occupiers appointed bebeshko the head of the novoye zburg administration. the long-awaited event, the opening of the work of our village council, with the arrival of the russian federation, i

believe that an opportunity opens for a young person, which was closed under our previous government. zaprodanka promised to start training in rural schools according to russian standards from september 1 and expressed the hope that the occupiers will resume the work of closed enterprises, actively expressed support for the russian peace. discredited the armed forces of ukraine and the authorities of ukraine, filming for russian reports tv channels she justified the occupation of the village and assured about the prospects of its further development under the so-called new government. she demonstratively gave out russian rubles to the villagers, a kind of help from the russian federation. i love my family, but i hate the state. the state basically left us. tortured , told that an eight-year war was going on in donbass, told that we

were at war with russia, we all saw what russia is and what the regular russian army is. this traitor took part in the organization of a pseudo-referendum on the annexation of kherson region of the russian federation and conducted campaigning activities among the local population in order to attract ukrainians to illegal voting. on october 10 , 2000 , the teplodar city court of odesa region sentenced bebeshko to 10 years of imprisonment with confiscation of property and deprivation of the right to hold positions in public authorities for 15 years. unfortunately, the village of nova zbur'ivka is still occupied, but soon our armed forces will get there, and we really hope that babeshko will not be able to escape, because the cell in the prison is like that without her empty filmed a video for russian. propaganda and received seven years of imprisonment, we are talking about serhiy viktorovych yuretsky

, born in 1981. he was born in the city of norilsk in russia, seven years later he came to odesa, where he stayed and began to publish in the genre of fiction under the pseudonym serhiy stepanenko. since 2013, he has been writing for the russian publishing house fantascope. yuretsky was not only engaged in writing. during the maidan era, he headed the anti-may rapid response group. and advocated the ideas of russian peace, and was also distinguished by his comments to the russian media on the occasion of the so-called shooting by the kyiv authorities of civilians near the building of the house of prospilok. after these events, yuretskyi spent some time in the russian-occupied crimea. later, he got a job as a security guard at the private security agency narodna varta in odesa. when the army of the russian federation invaded our lands, this traitor knew for sure that he would become a useful occupier. together with cameraman oleksandr sushchenko, he began filming a propaganda video commissioned by the kremlin. one of the last jobs they did for 800 hryvnias was

staged video about the course of mobilization in ukraine. yureisky acted as a military commissar, telling the camera how he hunts men of draft age to avoid being sent to the front himself. about the measures adopted by kyiv after the reduction of the number of volunteers in the ranks of the ukrainian armed forces. and at one fine moment. the head of the tsk came and informed that , guys, we have good news for you all the way from kyiv itself, and now we will have a plan of at least seventy souls per month on pretexts, that is , to capture, bring, or otherwise, to donbass ourselves. how long do you think this will last? if the western countries had not added fuel to the fire in the form of finance and technology, then most likely it would have ended a long time ago, the contents of the questions and answers expressed in the interview, the traitors received from the russian curators. the resulting content was broadcast on the russian state tv channel and on

the internet. here is another piece from this performance. one actor aren't you afraid to speak frankly about what is really happening in ukraine? well, on ukrainian tv, i would didn't say anything like that. these producers of propaganda were detained in mid-june 2023, already on october 4, 2023, the primorsky district court of the city of odesa sentenced yuretskyi to seven years of imprisonment. now he will entertain his cellmates with his bad acting. and this collaborator and druga and the healer were sentenced to eight years of imprisonment . meet mykola leontivych volyk, born in 1975. before the full-scale invasion, he was both a businessman and a local politician. according to yukontrol volyk is the owner of 50% of the private enterprise reis, which was engaged in passenger transportation in melitopol and, in particular, received contracts for

the transportation of schools. he also headed the city utility companies chistota 2. melitopol-komervis and rembud, but his heart was torn into politics. in 2015, volyk was elected a deputy of the melitopol city council from the banned socialist party, and in 2020 he ran for the council from the banned opzh party. i wonder if it was ilya kiva who helped him with the choice of parties? because it is known that volyk communicated closely with the ex-people's deputy. we came into politics, for this we received your trust. your trust for the fight against ukraine and against the ukrainian people. the case when he accidentally voiced the kremlin's task. after february 24, volyk, like his friend kyva, decided to hide his true views. therefore, when melitopol was occupied by rashists, he met them as relatives. the invaders appointed him to the post

of deputy head of the melitopol administration, in which he promised a place. crushing businessmen if they stay in the city. before that, he squeezed property from farmers, forced him heads of communities to resume education in schools of the region according to russian programs, and also demanded to provide lists of teachers and students. volik encouraged law enforcement officers to work in the occupation forces and claimed that ukraine will not exist, but the traitor himself has every chance of not existing, local partisans arranged a big boom right next to his house in december of last year, although it was unsuccessful, but who knows, maybe the next one time will be successful, and while this living rat is hiding in the occupied territories, in ukraine, the court has already sentenced him. in september this year, law enforcement officers proved to the judge that mp mykola volyk cooperated with the russian occupiers, for this he was sentenced in absentia to eight years of imprisonment, and we

really hope that he will serve them. it was. program collaborators and i olena kononenko. if you want to talk about kremlin traitors, write to us at this e-mail address or just on facebook, together we will send all the traitors on the trail of the russian ship. see you in a week on espresso. you are watching the program of the ukrainian service voice of america it's time, i'm natalya leonova, congratulations. the us congress is back to work after the thanksgiving weekend. on the agenda, among other things, is president joe biden's request for additional funding, particularly for israel and ukraine. speaker of the

us house of representatives, republican mike johnson , said in a press conference on monday. that