[000:00:00;00] well, let's start with the fact that when the defense committee was formed at the very beginning, and we still entered the parliament, when the war had been going on since 2014, any candidate who was elected to this committee, among the people's deputies, this actually clearly happened with the consent of not only the servants of the people faction, if we are talking about their composition, including their composition and it was milled in relation to other colleagues from other factions, after all, these were people who agreed, and therefore, when today and not only today, and when constantly for some time, mariana, uh, because i don't know other members of the committee, who constantly give out some different points, allow themselves to comment and take on themselves, you know,

the dark side. those opinions that prevail somewhere, either in the president's office or in other houses, it is difficult to say now, because there is no reaction as such, nevertheless, somewhere we suspect that this is all sanctioned, in addition, somewhere we understand that recently ms. maryana gave such information about the mobilization, but forgot to add that it is just general some work, that it has not yet been accepted, and all these things, these are forays into society that she is consciously making, she agreed to this role, to this role of a person who will constantly make mistakes, and you know that with this the authorities are constantly tested, you know, there was an arrester who tested society, on the one hand, now this role has been assigned to her, and she does it with great joy, with great joy, besides, we understand that this is a targeted attack on

industrious that is, these are daily posts about everyone, about his friends, about colleagues, about what it happened several times a day, that is, we perfectly understand that this is all sanctioned, whether they like the hard worker, maybe they don’t, because after all, not everyone should like the military, they have to do their job well, and we are politicians and civilians, unequivocally, sometimes not completely... we understand, but understanding the state of things that are today, we definitely have to trust them, i will say even more about the plan, you know, i am very glad that the industrious man did not announce any plan, that's all i have more hopeful that the plan in fact there is, because when the active invasion began in february, if he had listened to everything he was told, the russian troops would have advanced much further, and the hardworking man

did everything possible to stop them, and that not only he did his best, but including volunteers and the armed forces of ukraine. second, if he had handed over our plan, including to the allies, then this plan would have become known to the russian federation, i think, well, almost an hour or two, and i am definitely convinced that it is impossible to trust everyone today, because indeed, there are a lot of those in the council who, er... actually serve the enemy in various ways , both politically and in providing information, so there is definitely no need to talk about it, but we state the fact that in such a difficult time, very difficult battles at the front, the monomajority and the government are deliberately destabilizing the situation, reacting exclusively to social polls , to what they are worried about, and here, maybe

the hard-working one does not think of going into politics, and here... trust in the current president will be shaken, so let's be rock the boat with middle, then i will tell them one thing: whoever rocks the boat actually rocks the whole country , it is very dangerous, i believe that we, as the parliament, and the regulatory committee, others should as much as possible prohibit her from attending the meetings of the committee and the parliament at all, considering that this today is an absolute person who does not control herself, and we don't care who gave her what order and whose command she is following, well, she clearly does not follow the command to be, well, an adequate representative of the security committee, well, look, ladies and gentlemen , about adequacy again some deputies of the verkhovna rada, because this week there was information that 50 people's deputies signed an appeal in

the name of stefanchuk, ruslan the speaker of the parliament. in order to submit to the venice commission the law on banning the moscow church in ukraine under number 83-71, among them 20 where these are servants of the people, it is clear that there are deputies from the opzzh, but what they are doing, they are actually creating the preconditions for this internal split. which will definitely be in society, because well, if they already took it and did it in the first one reading this draft law, it is not about banning the activities of the uocp, but about streamlining the activities of religious organizations, but it follows that there should not be a branch of the russian church in ukraine. and here they are trying, through the venice commission, to break through the topic that it does not correspond to european legislation, in general, the norms of european legislation, and a completely logical question arises whether they

have interests, that is, whether they are simply people who are used, or whether they are people who paid by a branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and in this way is trying to secure himself or continue his life in ukraine, mrs. sofia, what do you think, what to do with such people's deputies, because well, in the conditions of war, to keep the big fifth column, which is now a branch of the russian orthodox church churches in ukraine, it is dangerous from the point of view of national security and defense. well, to begin with, we have a census of deputies. which now the security service of ukraine should deal with as soon as possible and check each individual for connections, and i think that here not only in opzh, where everyone is essentially an agent in moscow, but also the question of the people's servants and those few deputies from other factions or

non-factions who dared to sign this so-called appeal. the second point, now we will follow the actions of ruslan stefanchuk , it will be the same, you know, watch your hands, nator, because a similar situation was and faced andriy parobiy, when the law on language was adopted, there were also a lot of obstructions, there were also such the very submissions to the venice commission, by the way, all these things are advisory, what the venice commission says: and the decision of the constitutional court are directly mandatory, so here we still have to filter, and then andriy parubiy, he refused to make all these submissions, in this case stefanchuk himself has the option to either submit or not submit to the venice commission, so we will closely monitor the actions a native of ternopil, a resident of western ukraine, who should have a very clear, statist, anti-moscow church position. the third point, what

to do with all of that in us, this shows a big problem that we have both in the parliament and in the state, because we are still on the second year of a full-scale invasion, despite, it seems, four draft laws that prohibit the presence of parliamentarians from banned parties in the verkhovna rada and other local self-government bodies, this fifth column is very active in our country and they are getting stronger and stronger as they go, because i think that if we had adopted these bills earlier, it would have been a little easier, and fourthly, this bill is a government bill that is being accepted, despite the fact that my fellow deputies and i are trying to to finalize the second reading so that it is effective. for him to actually have at least some influence, well, he is actually quite toothless and opens a pandora's box of massive lawsuits that the moscow church will make , if the council wanted, if the state was

interested in the draft law, which corresponds to all international conventions, all international treaties, there postulates, human rights and so on, then it would be necessary to take up mykola knyazhytsy's draft law, where he is the first signatory of article 82, 21, and we would avoid many problems, however, my colleagues can confirm that what we did not push through, how we did not try to incorporate various draft laws of deputies from different factions, in particular oksana savchuk and iryna konstankevich, and in order to make the most effective draft law, the verkhovna rada with great fights and threats allowed only the government draft to be considered, and it 's good that it's been successful so far, but there's still something very important here. i understand that both the moscow church and the pro-moscow deputies, i emphasize once again, we now have an exact list of the pro-moscow dishonesty that has now signed this bill is against the law, it is like a submission, and they are afraid not only of the adoption

of this bill, they are afraid of it even in the form in which it has not yet been adopted, which means that even this positioning, that we prohibit the fsb's hebist structure, it is perceived very positively by the citizens of ukraine. and that is why we need to accumulate all our strength in order to succeed and still bring the case to completion, to victory. thank you, ms. sofia, mr. mykhailo, please tell me, from the point of view of... the interests of the state and of national security and defense, well, the things that mrs. sofia is talking about and what we are all talking about, that the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine should be reformed, or i don't know, reorganized, dissolved , are absolutely obvious , the state should promote this situation, because it is different during the war, well, it simply should not be, to whom and why

you have to prove it every time, that is , who, who does not want the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine to cease its existence ? in fact, no matter how difficult the situation is in the verkhovna rada, the position of many deputies is so diverse, i agree with sofia that we need this draft law, which was voted on in the first reading, it does not solve the matter in essence, because of that, now we need to focus all attention and all efforts to put pressure on the leaders of the factions and groups, in order for the draft law mentioned by my colleague to be brought to the session hall and voted on, it really solves the problem, mr. serhiy, about which you said, we need to put an end to this column of the russian

federation in ukraine once and for all, this not the church, and this one we will demand the draft law of knyazhytskyi and the group of people's deputies, including those present here, not in this studio or on this program, and this is the way, because the appeal to the venice commission will take time and relieve some tension, we do not need it, rather not even tension, but remove the accents. we need and we will demand its inclusion starting next week, because it is not an alternative, these are different draft laws, and it can be considered in the session hall, and this is the path that the verkhovna rada of ukraine should take, i am sure that by joint efforts we it will be possible to push, but with that draft law i don't see any perspective , moreover, it talks about the topic, because the judicial defense for... the defense, which is provided for in this draft law,

is a road to nowhere, it is a prolongation of the process itself for years, we know how unfortunately , our courts are working, that's why he does not solve the issue, this is such an attempt of the cabinet of ministers to talk in general and not to solve the problem. thank you, ms. oksana, if i am not mistaken, back in april of 2022, you proposed a draft law on... prohibiting the activities of the roc branch in ukraine, why according to you, this is already the second year, it will be two years, that there is no political decision , i understand that we are talking about the political decision that should be made regarding this, well, you know, really, on march 21 of last year, i registered, and i remember very well how they called me, what scandals there were, how there were shouts, well, how can you. to encroach on this topic, not only that

, i will tell you that the people's deputies did not understand the depth of this such a problem, this scourge of these fsb agents, that she even said that this cannot be done in wartime, but six months later, some have already changed their minds, some have started to support , i will say even more, i deliberately went, actually... to the pochaiv lavra a week ago in order to see what is really happening there, because there is a lot of attention somewhere and about kiev-pechersk lavra, but what about in pochaev, i will tell you, look, they are very successfully continuing all those who sat there before, they continue to be there, many russian-speaking people, expensive repairs and reconstruction continue without

exceeding billions of dollars, then there is something they are repairing, repairing, various people, tourists, come around there, they keep telling all these mantras, all the locals explained to me that all the houses and lands of the locals, in two or three streets around the lavra, have been completely bought up by various russian-speaking rich people who come there , that is, we understand what these are, and such centers of russian influence in ukraine. there are many, including in the west of the country. and to pretend that nothing is happening, you know, it is criminal in our country. time when we have one the problem secondly, those who showed themselves and signed this appeal are still the tip of the iceberg, because i have analyzed very well all those who did not vote in the first reading, and i am very ashamed that there are colleagues who position themselves as modern politicians, at heart they are

in fact, they are still not very modern and not pro-ukrainian, some simply did not come to the meeting that day, but this means that they are hidden and those who are not ready to vote for it, that is why the mobilization of those deputies who are really ready and the political will of the servant of the people is very important, regarding speaker, then really, or he will show his character, well, at least he will say it once , by the way, he should have already reacted, he should have already stated his point of view, and not be silent, because that is what speakers do, that is what those who are actually the leaders of the parliament and it is very... bad that there is no such position, because , well, most likely, someone has not yet told it to him in the president's office, unfortunately, no matter how sad it sounds, but it should be his personal position, and i will tell you honestly what i personally

did, i turned to local and regional councils, they will meet now, the ternopil regional council is already meeting this week, the frankivsk regional council is meeting next week, let them actively initiate appeals, some of my colleagues have confirmed in the local councils that they will appeal and demand from the parliament, from the speaker, immediate adoption of the draft law, but by the way, i have submitted my amendments where i am trying to include in this and that draft bill, and it is not just to write down the fact that, after all, there are ways of this ban, because so that you understand, they were simply brought to these parishes in cash every month 300, 500 each uah 800,000, they divided it among themselves, bought these people who were doing agent work, and this is happening now, that is , it did not go anywhere, then people come with suitcases and give them these funds, and the security service must react to this, simply to intercept such things, and i am very sorry that today we have not put a full

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see on tv screens, phone numbers, 0800 2011 381, if you think that ukraine needs diplomatic relations with belarus, no, 0800 211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, we still have 9 minutes, and today we have sofia fedina, oksana savchuk, mykhailo tsimbalyuk, people's deputies of ukraine. you know, mrs gentlemen, i actually wanted to dedicate these 9 minutes to one person, whom today the american publication poliiko called the green cardinal of ukraine, because andriy yermak became him, he was included in the 28 most influential politicians, most influential people in europe this year. noted, well, there is no first place, obviously , the name of the person who is in the first place should be announced tonight,

maybe zelenskyi will be there, and maybe not zelskyi, there are no answers yet, but yermak is defined as an actor, as a person who is close to zelsky, why was zeleny beaten, that he is a representative of zelenskyi's team, always wears green, and he is such a person, actually. to the european and world political arena, how do you assess the fact that yermak from the head of the president's office, well, in fact, as they say, became the green cardinal of ukraine, because i don't know if they are being ironic in this case, or if they still want to specify the place, yermak, but they don't call him the vice president, because we don't have a vice president according to the constitution, ms. sofia. you know, this is funny, sad,

and a huge shame for our ukrainians of the state, when the secretary of the state government represents the ukrainian nation, which is fighting for its visa, behind it is a huge train of treasonous, possibly treasonous scandals, and in fact, the armed forces of ukraine, and the president, and the government and the parliament are discredited, and yet the parliamentary-presidential republic, here if we were to talk about some kind of influence , we would be talking about the influence of the people of ukraine, after all, whom our western partners trust and with whom, above all, in the form of these strange persons, they conduct negotiations and provide us with help, and i think it's more of a shame, i think it's more of sarcasm, and i think it's more of a sideshow for us to show what we have, whether it's a disabled parliament or a disabled president, which is kind of incomprehensible, i'm sorry . exiled person represents the ukrainian state and is very, very influential.

i would not like it to be so, and in my opinion, it should make president zelsky think, it personally humiliates him, just as it humiliates the whole of ukraine, but ukrainians, armed forces, defenders, volunteers, we do our job anyway , we and that's how we know our place and role, and yermak, i have hope that in due time he will not only remain in uzbek history, but also... be responsible for his actions according to the law. thank you, ms. sofia, mr. mykhailo, well, in principle, there is, there is such a fact, and obviously, for europeans and for the leaders of the countries of the world, who also, by the way , got into this rating, as activists, you too, probably have many questions from about yermak's powers, just as we have many questions about whether he is exercising constitutional powers or not. well, actually, it is not a constitutional body, the president, though every first person changed its name, then

it was the presidential administration, that is, others. but in fact, i emphasize once again, this is not a constitutional body , although for the sake of justice, i will depart from political assessments here, andriy yermak is a professional person, he has a good education, and in fact, in this position, he managed to concentrate his attention on which not only ensures the activities of the supreme commander during martial law in he also heads the commission on cooperation with our international partners, ukraine, the usa, as well as his they trust, otherwise, we know the position of our partners, who in the event of any danger would dictate a different condition, due to the fact that andriy yermak is actually a floating

person today, and time will tell if there were actually certain e, excesses or over-authorizations , you know, another thing is important for me, it is important for me that ukraine wins, and the winners are not judged, i am sure that the victory will be ours, and then the role of all those who are either empowered or without powers will be known one or the other, representation on behalf of the state, so far he in fact... managed to concentrate power, probably during the martial law, this is partially justified, it is important that president zelensky, as the supreme commander, trusts him and all those who are the entourage of the first person of the state today. thank you, mr. mykhailo, ms. oksana, how does this threaten the political landscape of the parliament, the government, other

governing bodies in the state, when the head of the president's office, well, in fact, he is also the minister of foreign affairs and the person who represents ukraine on behalf of the head of state at various negotiations? well, first of all, earlier in ukraine such a large faction, a monomajority, which has the president himself, has never had the support of such a large fraction, a monomajority that has the president, well, this is exactly what we will start from , that is, it is precisely from the great fullness of power that more and more mechanisms were created, which we have not seen before, that is, even if under other presidents were leaders, or administrations or others, they always had to have some representatives in political debates, but these representatives were not in almost all key positions in the country, and with the beginning of the war, when in fact

there is no freedom of speech as such, because there is a lot of space controlled, a lot of information is... hidden because of the war, the influence of the head of the president's office increased even more, after all , the foreign publication saw what was happening, because on any trips of any level the president took yermak himself with him and on at the last meeting in the states, he was generally alone, and we did not see our diplomats there, in fact, as such, and that is why it was done. relevant conclusions by international experts, and ukrainian society should also draw these conclusions, i understand that not everyone people want to be interested in politics, for some, you know, as they say, it doesn't matter who, as long as there is something, believe me, it's all important, you need to analyze these things, understand them and definitely give them, well, the adequate one, thank you ms. oksano, sofia fedina, oksana savchuk and mykhailo

tsimbalyuk were guests of our program today, thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program. let me remind you that during the program we conducted a poll and asked you whether ukraine needs diplomatic relations with belarus. now we will see the results a poll we conducted over the phone for those who called us into the studio and voted. so, what is the proportion of yes, no, who supports diplomatic relations between ukraine and belarus and whether they are needed, 72% of those who say that these diplomatic relations are not needed, 18% that they are needed, i watch on youtube the proportion is approximately the same 19.81, these are the results of this survey, it was the verdict program, it was brought by serhiy rudenko, i wish everyone good health, take care of yourself and your