[000:00:00;00] i'm not up to that, mr. oleksiy, i'm not up to the point of questioning the necessity of erecting these fortifications, i mean, the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine, and it deals with what the ministry of defense of ukraine should be doing, with, well, no, well, i can, i could agree, well, in fact, we talk a lot about these fortifications, fortifications, well, in fact , we had to take care from the beginning of the war, in the 14th year, to be honest, let's be able to... that period, we we remember this wall that yatsenyuk's government built at the time, well, it looked funny, there, let's face it, frankly to say why the armed forces of ukraine really don't have their own engineering units, well, i can remind you of the army that was there before, well , i understood how powerful there were always engineering units, units and railway troops

that were ready to build bridges. and so on and the like, because this is a very powerful component of any modern war. today , the military does not have such a structure, as a result , they will push this civilian agency, well , in fact, i would make it completely under the absolute control, first of all, of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces useful, because you will understand later, our military defend these positions and die, that's by the way... the same as this year this year , he was building a rental with his agency, so-called shelters for high-energy facilities, he was building something, building without projects , without agreements, i.e. for the state company ukrenergo, where the energy company, the agency without approval, project coordination, built something there, i have information that it was done extremely inefficiently and very large amounts of money

were spent, extremely ineffectively. i think that here now the accounting chamber, by the way, is being checked, i think that they are able to check the effectiveness of these so-called e-e works of the nayem agency on strengthening energy facilities, so you can't repeat that the same should be the case for military facilities fortifications, and with regard to infrastructural objects in the energy sector, you said that you cannot simply make a complete picture, of course, well, it is so encrypted there, you understand, but i know certain nuances, when they will be built, funds will be buried, but the project was not agreed, you see colossal earthworks, in the odesa region, in another, as it were, for closing and concrete boxes of very important substations, but no one agreed with the power engineers what these structures should be in terms of dimensions, in terms of other technical parameters, there was no

project documentation, i.e. clean, well, how is it, for hip-hop, you understand, they built this, and i think that it will not be possible to come for a long time, sooner or later an audit will be conducted there, unfortunately, there, they are regime objects, understand, there is no it is so easy to get there, and for deputies today, well, it's not fashionable, it's not fashionable, it's not in trend to show something, it's not by chance that i'm telling you that i can't find out the results of audits for any energy company, both national and local, including kyiv so and so next, and then we wonder why, we have some communication problems , please redial mr. oleksiy, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching now us live on the

youtube platform and on facebook, please put like, and also take part in our survey , today we are asking you about this, do you think there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, yes no, please vote on youtube, and you can also see now, phone numbers, by calling which you can also vote, if you see that there is a conflict and feel from the media, from the information that reaches you, then vote 0800 211 381, if not... there is no conflict, you do not see it , 0800 211-382, please, at the end of the program we will pick up the results of this vote, all calls to these numbers are free, mr. oleksiy, we are back on the air again, sorry for something with communications and with the internet, obviously, you , you, you started talking about the energy system in general, the energy companies that are in ukraine, how they

are working now, i think that most of our... tv viewers are interested in what will happen this winter, will our energy system withstand, and the planned shelling that may... be from the russian federation obviously will be and in general, here is what tried to recover after last winter, as far as it gives, so optimistic or, well, at least confidence in tomorrow, let's not talk about the military factor yet, because there will be attacks, there is no doubt about that, i think the enemy is waiting for the frosts to hit and will hit them massively, they will be so serious attacks, well, i have such in the combined drone, and drones, and missile and so on , nevertheless, our air defense forces have strengthened a lot, especially in the central region, and this is an absolute plus, but i cannot help but

be worried, as well as you, what today, for example, another ukrenergo, the state energy company, announced that we have a generation deficit, calls on people to save, reduce consumption, you understand, that is... full-scale winter has not started there, but now it's -3 in the evening there, i don't know, how you had 0.1 there during the day, you can already see, there is not enough generation, and today we have increased consumption in ukraine, because ukrainians have returned there, one and a half million ukrainians, and business is more or less moving there and consuming, moving and consuming there, yes, but there is not enough generation, and this is still winter a full-fledged one has not come, this is a very alarming symptom, since we are forced to apply for emergency support from the energy of neighboring countries, a european country, through hungary, the same, slovakia and poland, with whom, by the way, we have difficult relations, you know, this is

me i am extremely worried, i am worried about the very serious negative situation in the state-owned company centrgo, because the results of the audit came out today, there are only debts, there is no coal, the work was not carried out on time, well, it is also a risk zone for... a great pity, thank god, that we also have a very powerful private sector, i personally trust the private sector more today, specifically in the coal and heat generation segment, than the state one, the state-owned company centerenergo, it is completely inefficient and essentially bankrupt today, the nuclear units are all loaded, nine units out of nine are working, but the fact that there is no zaporizhzhia station in the balance sheet is something we really , really feel, six units, you see, that's a third. in essence, all energy consumption today, therefore, there is enough without rockets and drones are not a problem, unfortunately, they can add, although on the other hand i want to say that i do not think that there will be catastrophic

options, there will be restrictions, there will be some emergency or scheduled shutdowns, but i do not think that there will be worse than last winter, don't you think so, the government is still saying that electricity prices will not change. but for the population, the prices are for the population, because in the market, in the market, they live their own lives, and ask any businessman, he will tell you that such people bite, prices for electricity and gas are already biting, in the summer they were biting a lot, they were biting there, well now , but for the population the prices are holding, i 'll tell you honestly, don't believe when someone tells you that it's not being discussed, the option is after. season, the price increase for the population is being discussed in the government, in the cabinet of ministers and in the nkrkp, this will be a separate conversation after the end of the heating season, but

really during the ozp, the autumn-winter period there will definitely not be an increase for the population, this is clear, thank god, let’s calm down of our tv viewers, and if there will be, then at least in which ones parameters in multiplicity? today, i am answering to you, sergey, as an adult, i myself do not know the calculations of the government, according to which he calculated 2.64 for the population, we appealed, and i even asked ms. tymoshenko, the leader of our faction, for reinforcements, you understand, because when i address, well, relatively speaking, there is not very much respect for the deputies in the government there, what for their own, what for others, by the way, but we signed together, and the head of the faction, i am ready to do anything to strengthen, and we asked request, they turned there 3-4 days to the government, show yours calculations, how they came to the price of 2.64 hryvnias, they

will definitely give us an answer, i will definitely make it public through the mass media , and we will definitely make the creation inadmissible today. thank you, mr. oleksii, it was oleksii. kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, eh, be healthy, and i remind you that we are conducting a survey throughout our entire broadcast, because this is a question about something: today the world press is already writing about the conflict between the civilian and military leadership of the ukrainian city-state, i hope they will write about it , that we with the next guest, we will now talk about this, because it is very important , how the world perceives ukraine during the war, who is actually helped by the west and what politicians are doing, whether in this case the political forces are different or the forces that are in ukraine, that is why we ask you about this: do you think there is a conflict between the civilian and military

leadership of ukraine, we have this question on youtube, vote, there are two options, yes, no, or you can leave your comment under this video, if you have an opinion, also you can call the numbers if you believe that there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, then call 0800-211-381, not 0800, 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, contact us a prominent politician, former head of the secretariat of the president of ukraine, oleg rybachuk. mr. oleg, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. greetings, serhiy, thank you for inviting me. well, mr. oleg, how many of us ask about whether there is a conflict between the political and military leadership of ukraine, how do you

a person who... more than one political conflict in his biography and probably witnessed these conflicts, what are you saying now, but during the war, the economist writes that there is a political threat in kyiv and that the rating of zelskyi and because of this, zelenskyi's team treats another, another leader , let's say, who is during the war, valery zaluzhny, questions come from the office of the president of ukraine, the parliament ruslan stefanchuk says that this is generally a game of the russian forces and special services, that you tell me whether you see this conflict in public spacious, including? unfortunately, this is a chronic and such a bad tradition, such a slightly perverted, distorted system of government in

ukraine, because we have chronic problems between. on bank street, hrushevsky street, or between the office of the president, with any name, under any president, similar things happened, they could go out into public space more, they could go out less, but this is a traditional story, there are many people who live there, you know, like microbes, they feed on intrigues, some kind of conflicts, then it is widely said that there were no... conflicts , i remember it well, perfectly, but ukraine has never been in such dangerous conditions in its history of independence, so to allow such things when there is a mortal threat in front of us is absolutely unacceptable, therefore , that's how they are , i understand against these conflicts, but we don't need to support them, we don't need to stir them up, and well, those who are engaged in this should somehow come to their senses. well, the enemy

is on the doorstep, on the one hand, the enemy is on the doorstep, and on the other, mr. olezh, how do people perceive similar conflicts or misunderstandings, let's say so, our western partners, because it's clear that when the western press starts writing and various publications start dispersing the topic of this political monstrosity, then one way or another the voters have a question for their politicians, listen, well there in general, they begin to share power among themselves, although... there is a war, what are you doing, why are you giving them money, why are you giving them weapons, how, how do our western partners perceive it, well, in particular, those diplomats with whom you communicate, well, mostly people with whom i am i communicate, they know ukraine very well, they understand, and for them it is definitely not a level that deserves spending time on conversations, they understand that there are much bigger problems, and they are talking about much more important things, well

, they don't know anything they don't know and don't want to hear, but they support such things, you're right, they support such things, well, the yellow western press, sometimes it's not quite yellow, the world's leading publications are there, they also like likes and collect clip bytes there, and that's why somewhere a bit of a mirror situation, serious politicians, real friends, strategic partners of ukraine, they don't pay attention to such things, for them it's in general , well, it's some kind of bottom to which they don't sink, but eh, there's a fight for opinions, we can't avoid...' there russia, which allocated some mad money there for another information campaign, so these are the realities. mr. olezh, today a meeting of the ukraine-nato council was held in brussels, where our minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, was present, jen stoldeng said

that ukraine presented, nato agreed, a new reform plan, and stolteng today briefing... spoke about the fact that he is impressed by the reforms carried out by ukraine, and this program, which is usually agreed upon for a year, to agree to membership, before ukraine joins nato, we will implement what stoltenberg also said, he said that ukraine is moving closer and closer to nato, and he noted that the allies are talking about supporting ukraine on the way to membership in the alliance, as well as on the battlefield, let's listen to what he said. this meeting demonstrates that ukraine is moving closer and closer to nato. so today we let's discuss how we can support your journey to alliance membership. all our allies agree that ukraine should become a member

of the organization. it is also important to discuss the reform efforts that ukraine should make along the way, as well as how exactly nato countries can help... implement these reforms. mr. oleg, is it only a matter of reforms, now we are on our way to nato , and of course, well, war, it is clear that for the north atlantic alliance, this is probably not an unfavorable time to take a country to itself and then be responsible for statute of the north atlantic alliance for this country and stand up for it, is this a question of reform, reform, reform. we will endlessly generate and issue these reforms, but membership in nato will be only when there is no russian boot on the territory of ukraine? well, even when there is no russian boot on the territory of ukraine, this is by no means a guarantee that we will immediately receive

an invitation to nato, the real problem is the lack of a unified view of nato member countries on, on the future, on what to do with by russia after we are there to drive them out of our territory, how do we get russia to be held accountable, contributions, again, the judicial system, the bench in the gas is waiting, how to do it all, there is no discussion, there is no understanding that russia must be held accountable under international law, which has already called putin a criminal, he should already be on trial, but, well , you won't even hear talk of it in the west, other than that i think next year is like this difficult from the point of view of elections, these trends that orbán is so happy about, the coming to power

of far-right eurosceptics, there will still be a number of european countries, there will be elections, there will be elections in the european parliament, although... analysts say that there will be no fundamental changes, well, putin's friends will not come, they will not have a majority in the european parliament, but all these factors will influence, and of course, the main dream and hope of president putin is the result of the elections in the united states, and therefore i think that we should not actually dream about invitation to the anniversary washington summit, although i personally... i really hoped that it would happen, now for me it would be kind of, well, a great miracle if we received this invitation, it is clear that the next year will be very decisive and it is clear that many things depend from ukraine, but no less depends on geopolitics and how seriously the west perceives

the threat, one of the lansbergs, in my opinion, lansberg said at the meeting of the minister of foreign affairs, one of the baltic countries said that he had such a feeling, what is happening there is a lack of an event like perharbol, so that something like that would start, so that everyone would come in shock, and how america entered the war after these events, that there is, in the west, a feeling that this is not their war after all, far from it, well, it goes there, it’s unpleasant, you have to somehow support it, but there is no sense of this mortal threat, which, by the way , kurt walker also talks about, well, with whom we meet regularly, i have known him for many years, he is very consistent, when he says that he sent statements of what we heard, this is recently, what was it again, what is this the summit, an important summit, i do not dispute, this is a great achievement, the highest level, but the information that we will be with you to the end,

as long as it takes, just gives a clear signal to putin that he should press on, wait for the american elections there or something else, here the discussion is still ongoing, the event with us to victory, or how much is needed, who needs it, at what cost, these questions remain, and the question of what should be the defeat in russia? that is, what is the defeat of russia, that is, it will not be putin, it will not be russia, whether or not russia will be in the form in which it is, is also a big question, but at this ministerial meeting in brussels, in the north atlantic alliance, peter szijártó, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, said that ukraine cannot now to become a member of nato, because it would lead to the third world war, and because kyiv violates the rights of smynshchyna, and he also said that hungary will never send weapons to... ukraine, i suggest you listen to what sijarto said. what we have never done and will not do

is to supply weapons to ukraine, because we believe that instead of weapons , peace should be brought to this region, and the more weapons are delivered, the longer the war will last. now, the longer the war lasts, the more people die. well, tziar, it seems that his ancestors did not, did not experience, in the soviet union, and the times of hungary under the soviet union, because it seems to him that they are now in a better position and can now say, we will not supply ukraine with this or moreover, you, mr. oleg, how do you assess the position of hungary, which is always against, against everything, against funding ukraine from the eu, against supplying weapons here, and it is clear that both sijaarto and orbán are behaving like trojan horses in... the community, this is probably a question that is rather not for ukrainians, why, why does hungary behave like this not to you, mr. oleg, but to the europeans, why

do they still keep them there, despite the fact that hungary is probably the most subsidized country in the european union, huh, but they are not always against it, they are in favor of practically everything, what is initiated by russia and putin, they, they are traditional partners, here are any statements that come from one. on the initiative of moscow, well, from putin, from china, that is, they really chose their coordinate system, and this coordinate system is not brussels or european at all, but what to do with it, well, europeans really think, and this is a problem, the problem is that , that the constitution is european, or this union treaty is european, it does not provide for exit mechanisms, so there is brexit, but this is an unsuccessful experience, and pay attention when they simply say in their eyes: "well, yes, you don't like it, go to your to his own, to his own

putin, to the russian world, orban says, that without us, without hungary, the european union will simply disappear, the only ones who can really save hungary, the european union from disintegration are we hungarians, because we tell the truth, we warn, well, snow and tears, but the problem of hungary is not only the problem of hungary is a problem. and the expansion of the european union, because on the one hand, orbán talks a lot, but again there , he was promised 900 million, he still bargains for something else, but in the european union, they seem to have ways to influence him, and these ways are quite marginal, but the problem globally, it needs to be decided, because it sends very wrong signals to the european union itself, all the members, all the candidates who went to the european union... have written commitments to adhere to the international policy, the foreign policy

of the european union, and we see that siyarto, he has an order somewhere on his lapel, in his locker, which putin gave him there for faithful service, what do you want from him, he, he serves the one who awards him, orban, this is from the same category, but further there fitza now appears on the border with slovakia, certain goods are blocked there, that is, there is a certain... challenge, i have already spoken about this before the european union, and they are aware of it and they are preparing for it, you must understand that putin, well, he does not feel alone, putin hopes not only for the elections in the united states, he hopes that the european union is so flaky, you know, some pieces will start to fall off of it and it will weaken, and putin not only hopes, but they work hard for that, of course, topic number two, i guess in the western... press after there is a fight, political strife in ukraine, these are possible

peace talks, first, build with reference to your sources. there, in the german government, he wrote that both germany and the united states of america are trying to push ukraine towards peaceful negotiations with russia, then several european and american newspapers wrote about it, today the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, kuleba, at a meeting of the ukraine nato council, said about that there cannot be a territorial compromise with the russian federation, let's listen to what dmytro koleba said. we must continue, we must continue to fight. ukraine does not plan to retreat. our strategic goal, which is the territorial integrity of the country within the recognized borders of 1991, remains unchanged, and nothing will stop us, and this is a matter not only of the security of ukraine, but also of the entire euro-atlantic space. mr. olezh, the fact that this is a question

of the ukrainian state and the entire ukrainian people. we understand that, but is dmytro kuleba right when he says that this is a question of the entire euro-atlantic space, he is right in the sense that the answer to this question depends on what it will be and whether it will be at all, how integral, there is a structure to exist in this euro-atlantic space, but the opinion that now prevails is in the middle of the west. it sounds roughly like that putin is not ready for any negotiations in the coming year, he does not need them, he is counting on the geopolitical situation to change, as i said, there are elections in the united states, political changes in the european union, well, tiredness, i don’t i'm going to say this word because it 's been around for two years, but it's not really showing up,

because notice, it's about it seems that the top leadership of germany and america have made a decision there, but look at the position of scholz, what is the position of the german foreign minister, they are talking about doubling efforts, i am already silent about the position of the united states, and well, i have to say this mantra again, so that we have paid so much attention to the fact that we can do without the help of the united states, that most likely, my personal prediction, that most likely in december this ... the resolution of the congress will be voted, and the speaker of the congress will be there already this was said by the republicans, yes, they have conditions there that can annoy us, because there is bipartisan support for ukraine and israel, but the republicans raised questions there, politicians regarding their southern borders, this is a question that the democrats, the republicans, since 1996 have not

can agree among themselves, but again the mood of the american voters and this understanding of the political elites... gives me reason to think that this decision will be made, we just have another year, because what will happen after the elections, in the fall of next year, can we need to think, we need to realize and draw conclusions and prepare for the fact that we will need to significantly increase our efforts to increase our own defense capabilities, but for now through the mouth of the nato secretary general and the mouth of the president of the european union, fonderlein, who said that we are already there more than 90% fulfilled that we will receive an invitation to negotiations, we will start a dial, a dialogue about acquiring membership and we will move further in this direction, thank you, thank you, mr. oleg, it was oleg gribachuk, friends, we are working directly on the air of the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in youtube , we are conducting a survey, asking you about whether you think there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine,

if so, then vote yes, no, here 77 think there is. 23 percent that no, in 15 minutes we will return to the studio, don't switch , stay with us, nato countries promise support to ukraine, but whether for long, we are talking about this on the air of bbc news ukraine dead from london, i'm yevgenia shedlovska. united states secretary of state. anthony blinken assures nato allies are not tired of helping ukraine, but if we talk about the united states, a large package of military aid for ukraine is pending in congress and it is not known what the support will be after the american presidential elections. why are we