with ukrainian society on important hot issues, mykhailo podolyak, adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine, was a guest of svoboda ranok. nato ukraine has no doubts about whether it is necessary to continue supporting ukraine, according to the results of the meeting of the foreign ministers of the alliance members and the ukraine nato council, us secretary of state anthony blinken said. nato's position, i quote, is very clear and unwavering. we have and will support ukraine, he said. at this meeting, ukraine agreed. with the alliance, a new reform plan, an annual national program. more details in the material of rfe/rl's european correspondent olena abramovych. at the meeting at the nato headquarters, the ministers of foreign affairs of the bloc's member countries began to arrive at eight in the morning, dozens of journalists were already waiting for them at the hanka. the most common questions are what to do with war fatigue and the situation at the front, which seems to have reached a dead end. the ukrainian minister answered briefly:

there is no dead end, and he advised those who are hinting at territorial concessions to ukraine in exchange for membership in the alliance to start with themselves. let them offer it to their governments, to give up their territory , to surrender their people, if they will do it, i will be ready to listen to their arguments, but somehow it turns out that it is always easy to advise someone to make concessions, first they will do it themselves. the strategic task of ukraine remains unchanged, to restore control over its territory in the borders of 1991, he emphasized that now is not the time for negotiations with russia, the us state department also reported, a high-ranking official on condition of anonymity told the reuters news agency that the peace agreement in next year unlikely, because putin is waiting for the results of the elections in the usa. nato began to insist, the situation is not deadlocked, ukraine has visible results on the front, at least in the destruction of russian military capabilities. the fact that the ukrainians were able to hit russian military facilities. in the deep rear, destroying

airplanes and helicopters, the fact that, in fact, without a fleet, they were able to push the black sea fleet of the russian federation into novoross, which allowed to unblock the black sea grain corridor, this is a great achievement. the ukrainians pushed back the russian fleet in the black sea, they opened it a shipping route for exports, their economy is growing, of course they are knocking on the doors of both nato and the eu and getting a very warm response, these are huge achievements. the next achievement not only of ukraine, but also of the entire bloc of nato member states should be a complete system of the defense-industrial complex of the alliance, the ukrainian minister believes. dmytro koleba insisted that now it is necessary to remove regulatory restrictions, create a joint policy of supporting defense business, etc. and today i heard for the first time that what we talked about for so long and called, it resonated, and they are already saying not only that they will support their... defense companies, but

that it is necessary to really create a system, because only a complete system of the defense industrial complex can meet the needs of this war. ukraine will also definitely be in this system, the ukrainian minister noted, and called these so far verbal agreements the most important result of this ukraine nato council, and added that he is convinced that when the flywheel of the european union's defense industry finally spins, it will be much more powerful than russian military vehicle. from brussels, olena abramovich, mark hajduk. radio svoboda. this is svoboda ranok, my name is kateryna nekrecha, and there will be no less interesting topics in this broadcast. the gardian newspaper announces changes to the mobilization process in ukraine already this week. zelensky instructed umerov to show the package of changes. some people's deputies believe that the mobilization has almost failed, the reason for the dismissal of the military commissars, what mines

are the deputies preparing and will they help the army? almost 10 years of fighting in the courts and gold worth 10 million euros from skov was returned to ukraine from amsterdam. it was claimed by the russian authorities of crimea. how did ukraine return the artifacts, how valuable are they, and is it safe to leave them in kyiv? join our issue, you can do it simply in the comments under this video, ask your questions, discuss the important topics that sound on our air, also do not forget to support our channel with likes and subscriptions. the ukrainian government plans to change the practice of conscription for military service and announce new rules already this week, writes the british newspaper the guardian, citing an unnamed senior government official. according to this source, the changes will include the use of commercial recruiting companies to conduct more targeted recruitment and assure recruits that they will be used in the positions they respond to. their

skills, and will not simply be sent to the front. secretary of the national security and defense council of ukraine, oleksiy danilov, told guards that two contracts with recruiting companies have already been signed, and the call should become more flexible. an unnamed source in the ministry of defense of ukraine confirmed danilov's words that contracts were signed with personnel companies, but without details. mobilization will become more flexible, those specialties that are needed will be announced and people will apply for a specific position. for example, they need welders or locksmiths and so on. according to guardian forecasts , the details should become known today or tomorrow, but future changes in the public square. rank has not yet voiced. ukrainian president zelensky said last friday what he expected from the new defense minister the moderate package of the new mobilization policy. meanwhile , roman kostenko, colonel of the sbu and

secretary of the verkhovna rada committee on security, national security, defense and intelligence , said in an interview with the ukrainian publication newvoice that the problem of mobilization in ukraine has now become even bigger than the problems with the availability of shells . and he adds that the adoption of legislation that would solve these problems is a matter for the political leadership. and not of the military, but the mobilization problem in ukraine, he says, intensified with the release of all oblasts military commissars, which happened in august of this year. we all know that we now have a problem with mobilization, you can say a failure of mobilization, after being replaced by troops, we have a failure of mobilization, this is a situation that needs to be quickly influenced, because if we do not influence and do not change anything, we will have very big problems. roman kostenko, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and development, people's deputy of ukraine joins our broadcast, roman, i congratulate you, thank you for joined, tell us at what stage the work on this draft law is at, guardians predicted that this week the new mobilization rules will be published, or the draft law has been finalized in the committee on mobilization, and when it

will already appear for consideration in the verkhovna rada, look, this probably slightly different things, and we, these are parallel paths , what the president said and what he expects from the minister of defense and the commander-in-chief, as i understood, it was not agreed there with the verkhovna rada, somehow, because this this group, it already is worked before that, and the group that works in the verkhovna rada, it is in front of the leadership, it was gathered there by marina bezugla, and they simply aimed to absorb all those changes that were worked out before that, for example, there is the issue of two educations. fyodor vyanislavskyi raised questions there, as i understand it, they will also work on granting some greater powers to representatives of the tsk, and that was all here, and the president left after that, when, as i understand it, they discovered that there was a problem and gave the command of the ministry

defense, and these issues, but to solve the issue, it is not only a legislative way, that changes should be made to the law, there are several issues, directions. some issues can really only be resolved by the verkhovna rada, through changes to the law, some issues can be resolved by the cabinet of ministers and the ministry of defense, by introducing changes to by-laws, to some, uh, well, some by- laws, and some can be resolved by the president himself, for example, by signing a law that has been under his signature for six months, it is about lowering the age of mobilization, and he does not sign, although the verkhovna rada adopted, adopted this law with its votes, and the president does not consider it, does not pay attention to it , despite the fact that it is a violation of the constitution, well , this is not the case with one law in our country, and other laws, that the front needs, for example, the law

on the write-off of property in the armed forces, was supported by 302 votes by the constitutional majority, and the president also does not sign it, he also violates the constitution with this, this is such a problem, so i say once again that there are... several ways and not only, as you said the draft law, the draft law is one of the ways, if in the drafts that will be submitted, the minister of defense will be the head of legislative issues, then we will already work in the legislative field. roman, is there such joint communication regarding this, well, so that this work is effective, so that work is not duplicated somewhere, and it is conducted in a coordinated manner? i do not know about this, i know that the president gave the command to the minister of defense. did the minister of defense address the committee, i don't know, we have this direction, well, the committee has the work of this group, uh, specifics on this work also not yet, there are some general phrases, er, which have already been written and they

are not even finalized, because there is not even a question whether it will become a bill or not, it is not even a bill now, it is just the work of the group, which will be directly. .. we will see whether it will be a bill, and i think that it will be necessary to make it a bill when the president, the minister of defense, the commander-in-chief will decide which way we are going, only after that something can be finalized and submitted as a bill. roman, in your interview with nw, you said that mobilization is now a more problematic issue than even weapons for the ukrainian army, you used the word failing. why do you think so, and can you explain why the replacement of the heads of the military in general, that is, why it so seriously depends on them for that dismissal? well, what is a failed mobilization is when we cannot mobilize the number of military personnel that we need to

effectively carry out combat missions, if we do not do it, there is a period of time in a row, it means that it is failed. why do i say that this affected the dismissal of the military commissars, well, we can simply follow the statistics , what were our indicators then, for example, what are the indicators now, and here the question is that it was really a flight... a decision, because we remember the discrediting of the military commissars by individual military commissars, and when they were removed, i also said that you can make this decision, but the main thing is not to fail the mobilization, the question is, what can we appoint to the places of the military commissars brigade commanders, but it's a very different, let's say, job than leading, for example, a brigade on the battlefield, so there's... a lot of comparisons can be made, i'm not saying that these officers can't do it, but they, they're going to need

quite a lot time to get up to speed with the law, and mobilization is ongoing and constantly needed, new brigades are inserted into us, people are needed there to create these brigades, to go to training, to cover some moments somewhere, now there is also roman in this, and if we talk about the main ones then it is about the main and most important steps that, in your opinion, in the process of mobilization should be adopted, either by the president, or by the supreme council , depending on whether it is the government, on whom it depends, that is, what is the most important thing to do, what are the steps to somehow level this situation, well, there are no specific steps here, the president will need to make all such decisions, it is also political, i understand why he does not make a decision about signing this law, because i think that because they are afraid there falling ratings, you

do you understand what it is, to sign a bill that reduces the age of mobilization, some part, let's say, that was not called up for this, will now start going to the army, this is a very unpopular decision, of course, and a number of such unpopular decisions are needed, for example, to increase the powers of the military commissars, this is also not a popular decision, but it can lead to the fact that, i am not saying that the military commissars wring their hands there, as they sometimes do. behave themselves, it really shouldn't be like that, but what is there, how, in some draft laws there is that they are there, well somehow they will be able to check there there are documents, for example, it's not - something there, i don't know, so criminal that they will somehow just be there, have the right to film there, as well, but people hear it, and people immediately start, let's say, to hate there even those who talk about it and they don't want to, it was, of course, the authorities see it and don't want to make such decisions, and if we don't make unpopular decisions, we

will lose the game, it's time to make unpopular decisions, the authorities have it to understand, if the authorities do not understand it, well, well, then we we will lose, if we talk about the work of recruiting companies, so that they are drafted into the army by profession and people specifically know that they can be useful there by their profession, in your opinion, will this have such a good effect for more people to join the armed forces, it will have a good effect, but it will not be massive, that is, we must understand that we do not have a million welders there or a million there, i don’t know, some kind of welders or drivers, all the same professions are common at the front, infantrymen will be needed to occupy someone, and these are such professions that they are very important now, so of course, if you ask a person, the more you want to become. yes, there is a separate category of soldiers who go immediately

to stormtroopers, if you ask a person, do you want to be a welder, if you were a welder before that, or do you want to be a stormtrooper there, when you are already over 40 and you did sports there for the last time, i don't know in physical education class at school, then of course a person will say, i will be a welder, then the question is who will occupy this category, and this category there, we need younger guys, who will occupy it, there are stormtroopers or paratroopers, marines, for this we need to accept and sign the bill that the president has, roman, and as for demobilization, is it necessary in your opinion. will it take into account the clear term of service and the clear term of demobilization of those who have been at the front since the beginning of the full-scale invasion there or even earlier? this is a very difficult issue and of course it must be resolved and the authorities must also resolve it and specifically to the people who are called to speak the term we are called to, because we called one category there, no matter how many

people have already come there through the army, there are probably more than a million people there, there are those who from the very beginning. there are those who were demobilized during this period, of course, a person should know who he is and how much he should serve, he should know his future, it should not be there from today until death, until he is crippled, or sometime conditionally, when the war will end, we understand that when the war will end, no one knows when the war will end and how it will end, and we have to understand that, so there must be some deadlines, and from my point of view, i have already talked about it. now maybe they will submit some data, maybe they will submit some proposals, including the minister of defense and the president, i believe that the issue of terms, someone called 18 months, someone called 36, it should come not from the number of months, but from the issue of stay in hostilities, this is my proposal, maybe

it will be, for example, i say, they say 36 months, i am against this figure, it is a lot, so that we should understand that 36 ... months, for example, in western ukraine, somewhere in the tsk , is, well, in principle, you can normally serve yourself, receive a salary and , say, wait for a demdel, at the front, and 12 months is a lot , and the day, sometimes it is difficult to survive, so i think that it is necessary to make a gradation here, if the authorities there hear us, if they will do it, and we will submit it, if there is a question, because it is necessary to clarify right away , can we replace these guys. you need to search, you need to call, and this is important draft a bill to ensure that people are, first of all, a mobilization resource, i.e. the question of strategic demobilization also depends on mobilization, for 12 months, for example, six months of them you were in combat orders, according to the law, that is, you performed combat task, then you have the right, it's not just that you're a moron, but you have

the right, because i know many guys who say, yes, we are ready to fight further, we even talked about it on our broadcast. military about the fact that they should rest there for six months, and then we are ready to return to the front, this is even after injuries , the military some say, it will take a long time, and we must understand that we must make a schedule when people will come and go, and they must know how much they come. roman, thank you for the general situation, i understand, i understand that there are extremely many questions , important and political decisions, in particular , there should also be, roman kostenko, secretary of the parliamentary committee on national security, defense and intelligence, people's deputy of ukraine was to talk about skiivsk gold, the collection of ancient artifacts, which is called skiivsk gold, has returned to ukraine. the 10-year court proceedings have almost ended in favor of kyiv. now the precious collection will be stored in the national museum of ukraine, and will move to the peninsula after the deoccupation of crimea. in general, it includes almost 3 tokarbs,

including jewelry, weapons, sculptures, before returning to ukraine, the collection was exhibited in amsterdam, where it ended up. even before the occupation of crimea by russia. it started with the occupation a legal dispute between kyiv and moscow over the right to own jewelry. initially, the skivsk gold was exhibited in germany in july 2013 , at the beginning of the next year the artifacts arrived in amsterdam. in june 2014 , the collection was supposed to return to ukraine, but by that time crimea had already been annexed. in amsterdam, they did not understand where to return the collection. moscow appealed to its own legislation, saying that the crimean museum was allegedly changed. diction, jewelry should be returned exactly there. the world, like ukraine, did not recognize the pseudo-referendum in crimea. in november in the 14th year, the head of the occupation and protege of the russian federation in crimea, serhiy aksnov, declared that the four crimean museums, in which the collection was exhibited , will not be registered under russian laws, and they will continue to be ukrainian, so

the ceske gold should be returned to them. in the same month , amsterdam's allard pearson museum decided that the collection would be kept in their possession for as long as possible. the court will not decide to whom to give all the treasures. in january 2015, hearings began on the lawsuit of the crimean museums, which changed jurisdiction, later the state of ukraine was involved in the case, as one of the parties. it took almost two years for the first resolution. the court recognized that all exhibits belong to ukraine, and the state was also ordered to pay more than €110,000 for the storage of the collection. however, a week ago, the museum canceled this debt for ukraine. a month later, russia filed an appeal and only at the end. on the 21st of the year, the appeals court of amsterdam made a final decision on the return of the artifacts to ukraine, the cassation appeal filed by moscow was rejected this year. in total, the collection includes 565 objects, but gold is not among them there will be fifty, the rest of the collection are unique items that are more than 2,000 years old, the value of the collection is estimated at approximately

10 million euros, besides, the decision of the dutch courts is a precedent, because now the countries that are subject to the jurisdiction of the international criminal court and where they will be found ukrainian jewels, will be forced to return them to kyiv. eminiya dzepar, the first deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, joins our broadcast. you have put in a lot of work to ensure that skivske gold is returned to ukraine, in your opinion what is important and symbolic of the return of this collection to kyiv? good morning, katerina, dear listeners, and everyone who watches the broadcast , this is, without exaggeration, a historic moment, because i remember the first feelings around this case, when for the most part it seemed to us like a legal case, because those k so-called museums already did not exist, they really, as you noted in the story, tried to appeal to the legislation of the autonomous republic of crimea, that

they say that the sovereignty of ukraine does not extend, that they say that the residents of crimea and the people of crimea are not to blame for what happened occupation, these artifacts were found in the crimean land and belong to the people of crimea, to the question of what the people of crimea are, few people were able to answer then, and in principle ukraine was accused of politicization, the fact that ukraine entered this case, and the lard pearsen museum insisted that since there is a direct contract between the museums, the contract should be implemented accordingly, and if they took from the crimean museums, their initial position was that it should be returned to the crimean museums, but ukraine entered this case, and explained the conditions of the occupation, despite the fact that the russian federation tried to say that really no one is to blame for this, i mean the crimean museums, which were already escorted by the fsb and the occupation administration, put on a show at the first meeting and told that we are not to blame for the fact that the occupation took place, we are citizens of ukraine, and we want the partifacts to be fairly returned to

where they were taken from, so if this whole case, which lasted for 10 years, although it was long and long, but it is ultimately fair and it was correctly stated that this there is precedent, and importance it is difficult to exaggerate this decision, because now there is an awareness that... it is necessary to fight for these things, and even if it seems to us that justice is on our side, it is necessary to fight for justice, and you know that ukraine has many other cases, which are being conducted today against the russian federation, i will remind the un international court of justice, we have lawsuits under three conventions, two conventions that ukraine submitted in 2015, according to the conventions, i mean, it is about the fight against the financing of terrorism and the fight against the anti-racist nation, one the so-called case on donbas, another so-called case on crimea, and literally three days after the full-scale aggression, ukraine presents a case against the fact that the russian federation

is manipulating the very concept of genocide, or covering up its own crimes. regarding the first two cases, we can also expect a decision soon, i hope it will be positive, because today the world realizes what the russian federation really is, you know that the decision on the international arrest of lvovo-bilova and putin, these are also unprecedented things, i.e. . then i conclude that everything that seemed impossible to us a few years ago is possible today, and if it seems to us that the results will happen by themselves, or this justice will happen by itself, no, it is necessary to fight for it, and this case proves , that despite the fact that russia stretched all this in space and time, realizing that it does not have a strong legal position, but they went and went to the court of first instance, and to the appeal, and to the cassation, but still you have to fight for your own . emini, if we talk about the position of russia in the modern world, these victories are to the side

ukraine, these are obvious victories there, legally very important , as you mentioned, and if we talk about trends, do you not have such an observation that, de facto , the world and western partners are really tired of war, that many other challenges are facing the world today , and is it possible that in some sense the western countries are ready to bring russia back from isolation? here is an example of this, this is the speech of the head of the russian foreign ministry, sergei lavrov, at the osce, we know that the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, he refused to take participation in that meeting, as about the fact that there are a few more countries, perhaps not all of them will name themselves publicly, which will somehow boycott these meetings, so what can you say here, really, the decision of the minister when not to visit skopje, this meeting is an annual ministerial meeting. the csto, which is one of the key ones during the year, because the russian federation is boycotting the csto today, actually blocking all processes, i will remind you that it is still a member of the csto, the csto has the right.

census, if one country opposes it, everything stops, and the russian federation is active manipulates and uses this right of consensus, blocking budget processes , blocking the issue of chairmanship, let me remind you that estonia was supposed to chair the osce in the 24th year, russia stopped this process, so if, with the osce, here, since russia is still member and lavrov's participation, let's say, it is not relevant from the point of view that now russia is accepted, regarding fatigue, you know, and it is not. i cannot say that there is a general trend of fatigue, there is a russian narrative that tries to convince that everyone is tired of ukraine, there are objective things, which we also have to take into account, for example, the situation of the arab-israeli conflict, yes , palestine, gaza, israel, this is something that objectively, i don't want to use the word, distracts attention, but in fact it is happening, which ob

in an objective way, it is also part of the international agenda, and there is definitely a question here... of the extent to which ukraine will be able to keep its case on the agenda, therefore, regarding russia, my conclusions, my feelings, are unequivocal that the further, the more countries realizes the true face of russian federation, and in fact the terrorist regime that reigns in this country today, yes, there is a club of friends of the russian federation that will be, it was, and it is, it is nicaragua, venezuela, north korea, syria, let's say these countries. which are difficult to call democratic and in principle these are countries that are isolated in the world, and the russian federation is part of this ecosystem. third, the russian federation was expelled from dozens of international organizations, that is more than 28 international organizations, fourth, let's look at the dynamics of the crimean platform. do you remember when we started the first summit in the 21st year, we had 39 participating countries, with ukraine 40, today we have 63 countries participating in the international organization, and this is also

an anti-russian coalition. in the sense that it is not just about crimea, it is about the fact that the russian federation is losing its face today, and many, many other decisions, so also, i want the thesis that i rubberized about skivsky gold , that we must choose our own, if it seems to us that everything will happen by itself, no, it does not happen like that in the world, unfortunately, the subjectivity of diplomacy, the subjectivity of the country is determined by its ability to protect its national interests, and our national interest, and in an exceptional way. this is, let's say, the world's understanding of what the russian federation is, my feeling that it doesn't matter, if we recall the historical era, the end of the 80s, when few people in principle could have thought that the soviet union would collapse, but it happened, it also seems to me that russia in one way or another, according to its own history, according to the trends that are happening in the country, which

is trying to pulverize and close russia, but the country will endure, it seems to me, and ukraine has become such a serious bone, a serious piece by piece, if putin's ambitions, which she simply cannot digest, and here in the world, if, if now about the problem, it seems to me , that until now, and this is what ukraine is working on, it is trying to consolidate the world around this future, because it is different for all countries, someone, let's say, is not interested in the fact that the russian federation will fall apart, because there is the issue of nuclear weapons, the issue let's say the systematicity of these processes, i apologize, including my political and ambitions are very important, unfortunately, the broadcast is ending, i thank you very much for joining and congratulate you on the return of skivskyi gold to ukraine, named after jepar, the first deputy minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, to joined our broadcast, thank you. i thank all of you for spending this morning with us, the freedom of the morning with you every weekday from 9:00 a.m. on youtube, on the radio liberty channel and on the air of the tv channel. my name is kateryna nekrecha, me and our entire team

we wish you a peaceful day and see you soon, congratulations, it's news time on the preso tv channel, kateryna shirokpoyas works in the studio. searches in the pochaiv lavra in ternopil oblast. the security service visited the temple, which belongs to the moscow patriarchate. according to preliminary information, church representatives were spreading russian ideology in the lavra, which was the reason for the visit of the special services. we expect more information later. 14 out of 20 shaheds were eliminated

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