[000:00:00;00] to share this with any deputy or with any outsider, moreover, i want to remind you, ms. maryani, that she ran for office from the party represented by the president of ukraine, so i want the panlensky, so i want she, so that she remembers, maybe they forgot that mr. zelensky said that when our offensive actions were being prepared, about plans, he said that, let maryana. will listen to the president, after all, this is the president of the whole country, it's just that she is from his party, ran for office, the more she should listen to him, what about offensive actions in the world - said president zelensky, he knows three or four people in the world, well, i'll finish, i know , the commander, the supreme commander knows about this, that is

, there is no place for her anymore, i don't want to talk about her shifts, switch the conversation to her, it's just that you say that the situation inside is shaking, that's the irritation that the military had after these things, the point here is not that she wants someone to resign or not , it's not about that , about the stupid plan she says wars, there's also something else, what, as they say, fell from the oak tree, well, that's it, okay, let's move on, thank you, sir. we will put an end to this, we are moving further in our program, it was oleksiy hetman, a major of the national guard of ukraine in the reserve, a veteran of the russian-ukrainian war. friends, we are working live on tv channel as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on these platforms, please like this video so that it can be trended on these platforms, well except in addition, you can take part in our poll, today we ask you about whether there is a conflict between the civilian and military

leadership... of ukraine, yes, no, if you are watching us now on tv, please pick up your phone and vote on the screens you see the phone numbers now, 0800 211-381, if you think there is such a conflict, no, 0800, 2011, 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, the same survey is also held on youtube, and then we have communications people's deputy of ukraine, oleksii kucherenko, mr. oleksii, i congratulate you, thank you, that you are with us today, congratulations, mr. serhiy, dear viewers, congratulations, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, i am ready to be useful , i will try to be, since i, mr. oleksiy, am in the form of a blitz, i will also ask you if you see this conflict between the political and the military leadership, or is it just being overlooked and overlooked, including journalists for the economy, who are already writing about it, he is, he is, you don’t need to close

your eyes there, another thing is that he is not very natural, i will quickly explain why, well, that’s why you know the history of our president, he came well a specific kind of work, where the love of the audience is very, very much appreciated, yes, the love of the audience, the love of ukrainians, this is, well, this is a key moment in the life of any actor, and i’m sorry, in our country, well, it so happened that in the course of the people's love of the war was also shared by the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine valery zaluzhnyi, you see that this is not just some kind of respect, but real love and faith, it is clear that there are grounds for potential political competition here, although it is too early to say, but they think about it, and therefore, unfortunately, i think the entourage of the president, this potential conflict is blown up as much as possible, using it for their own

purposes. thank you, mr. oleksii. yesterday, after the supreme commander-in-chief's meeting, president zelenskyi stated the need to speed up the construction of fortifications near the front line , let's listen to what zelenskyi said, let 's strengthen fortification first, there were detailed reports at all levels, the general staff, the ministry of defense, the prime minister , the regional government, the commander of osuv, all the finances are there, all the solutions are there, it should be full of... work in the communities, everything absolutely in detail, mines and concrete in our state are definitely enough, more speed and efficiency are needed, and everyone who is responsible for this has clear tasks. mr. oleksiy, i have the impression that i have been listening to volodymyr zelenskyi for two years, before that, until this moment , a good phrase, this hasla, they were three or four years late, you understand that

this fortress. and the work had to be carried out immediately, as soon as i came to power, there really was money for it, because how much was written off for large-scale construction, well, it was not really needed objects and it is absolutely clear that if the country were preparing for war, then first of all, these are fortification objects, and minefields and so on and so on, of course, first of all in the southern direction, everyone now understands this, and in kyiv in the same way, well, in all directions, at least after the start of a full-scale war on february 24, well, it is clear that everything had to be done, but i understand that the whole strategy was, well, so to speak, in one type of direction, there are no options b and c did not consider, yes, that is, they considered how we quickly we will return the occupied territories, we will return crimea and everything, and this is very serious

, now we feel that it is not us, the armed forces, people are dying there, ukrainians are dying, you understand, fighters are dying there, and the pressure is enormous there, precisely because no shavanier-level fortifications were built there, which would allow active defense in the event of a not very successful counteroffensive, well, but now the ministry of defense is saying that this fortification will be done by businessmen, headed by an agency with restoration of ukraine, this is not a businessman, this is hiring, hiring, this is a government businessman with his agency, which, this is a separate issue, i am absolutely not... hiring an effective public administrator, especially the head of such a powerful company, i think there are many secrets that will be revealed, because i know the colossal sums that pass through this agency, and these scandals that have recently surrounded him,

they are not as trivial as it seems, well , you understand, these deputies, labaziuk and others, this agency was built on the basis of the former ukraftodor , ukraftodor is very good known for his specialization, he built some roads, they were usually three , two, three times more expensive than the world prices per kilometer of road, how much was written off there, well, you can only guess in setbacks and everything else, so this agency , it should be put under a microscope, but i do not see the desire of the authorities to allow control over the colossal financial flows that are going on today, i can talk about it two words separately, because i am trying to... understand what is happening in the energy sector in terms of energy campaigns, i did not receive an adequate answer to any of my questions, as the first deputy chairman of the energy committee, the head of the temporary special commission, because the state government, unfortunately

, conducts audits, but all these audits are immediately under the hood there are secret, the police close the national, sbi, nabu, prosecutor's offices they simply close and do not allow them to be made public, the same with the agency. hiring, that's why i'm hoping here, to be honest, for external control, one way or another, it's money, our partners, it's their help, even if they don't go there directly, it's all natively alone boiler, and i think that they are primarily interested in controlling both the estimates and the real effectiveness of these fortifications. well, if also with the enterprises of the energy complex, which suffered and continue to suffer from russian shelling... last year, these companies were especially hard, then with the construction of fortifications, and what is the restoration of ukraine, if it is the destruction of trenches and dugouts, that is, well, and why, come on,

today it is the demand of the time and the demand of the situation at the front, and you see what kind of counteroffensive is coming from the side of the russian army, first of all, a maid, kupyansky. so it is similar, and only today, only our soldiers, who are in trenches dug in hastily there, you know, wet, there with water, there by half a meter, only they can tell us and you what a properly constructed line of defense is, soldiers and commanders, appropriate, who know what it is to defend positions, if they are correct, staggered according to all laws , fortifications are built there, or if it is hand -dug trenches and people die because of it, and many ukrainians die because of it, it it's perfectly clear, i'm not up to it, sir oleksiy, i am not questioning the necessity of erecting these fortifications

, i mean, the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine, it is engaged in what the ministry of defense of ukraine should be engaged in, what, well, no, well, i can, i could agree, well, actually, we talk a lot about these fortifications of fortifications. well, in fact, we had to take care from the beginning of the war and in the 14th year, to be honest , let's say we can in that period, we remember this wall that the then government was building, yatsenyaka, well, it looked funny, there, let's do it , to say frankly why the armed forces of ukraine really do not have their own engineering units , well, i can remind you of the army that existed before that, well, it is clear, how powerful there have always been, both engineering units and railway troops, who were ready to build bridges and so on and the like, because this is a very powerful component of any such modern war, today

the military does not have such a structure, as a result , they will push this civilian agency, well , in fact, i would make it completely under absolute control, first of all by the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, because then, you understand, our military personnel defend these positions and die, which is , by the way, the same as this, this year , the so-called shelters for high-energy facilities were built by my agency. he built something, built without projects, without agreements. that is, for the state-owned company ukrenergo, where the energy company, the agency built something there without approval, coordination of projects. i have information that it was done extremely ineffectively and very large funds were spent, extremely ineffectively. i i think that now the accounting chamber, by the way,

is being checked, i think that they are. are able to verify the effectiveness of these so-called works of the nayem agency on the fortification of energy facilities, so you cannot repeat that the same was the case for military fortification facilities, and with regard to infrastructural facilities in the energy sector, you said that full you can't just put the picture together , of course, well , it's so encrypted, you see, but i know certain nuances, when it will be built, funds were buried, but... the project was not agreed upon, you see, colossal earthworks in the odesa region, in another, so to speak, for closing and in the concrete boxes of very important substations, but no one agreed with the power engineers what these structures should be in terms of dimensions, in terms of other technical parameters, there was no design documentation, that is, purely, well, how is it for hip-hop, you understand, they built it, and i think that it will not be possible to come for a long time, sooner or later an audit will be conducted there,

unfortunately, they are regime objects there, understand, it is not like that there it's easy to get there, and to the deputies today it is not fashionable, it is not fashionable, it is not in trend to show something, it is not by chance that i tell you that i cannot find out the results of audits for any energy company, both national and local, including kyiv, teploenergo and so on next, and then we wonder why, we have some communication problems , please redial, mr. oleksiy, friends, we are working live on tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching now us live on youtube and facebook, please like and take part in our survey, today we ask you about the following: do you think there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, yes no, please

vote on youtube, and you can also see now, phone numbers, by calling which you can also to vote, if you see that there is a conflict and feel from the mass media, from the information that reaches you, then vote 0.800 211 381, if there is no conflict, you do not see it, 0800 211-382. please at the end of the program we let's sum up the results of this vote, all calls to these numbers are free, mr. oleksiy, we are back on the air again, sorry for something with communications and with the internet, obviously you, you and, you started talking about the energy system, in general, energy companies that are in ukraine, how are they working now, i think most

of our tv viewers are interested in what will happen this winter, will it withstand... and in general, that's what they tried to restore after last winter, as far as it gives, so optimistic, or at least confidence in the future, let's not talk about the military factor yet, because there will be attacks, there is no doubt about it, i think, he is waiting for the frosts to come and there will be massive blows like this, this there will be such serious attacks, well, i have such a feeling, there will be combined drones, drones and rockets and so on. that said, our air defenses have been greatly strengthened, especially in the central region, which is a definite plus, but i cannot help but be concerned, as you are, that today, for example, another ukrenergo, the state energy company, announced that we have a generation deficit and calls on people

to save, reduce consumption , you understand, that is, the full-scale winter has not yet started, there, well, now it is evening here -3 i don't know how you are in day there was 0 minus one, you can already see , there is not enough generation, and today we have an increase in consumption in ukraine, because ukrainians have returned there, one and a half million ukrainians, and business is more or less moving and consuming there, moving and consuming, yes, but generation is not enough, and it's still winter a full-fledged crisis has not occurred, this is a very alarming symptom, since we are forced to apply for emergency support from the energy supply of european countries through hungary, the same slovakia and poland, with which, by the way, we have difficult relations, you know, this worries me extremely, i am worried about a very serious negative the situation in the state-owned company centerenergo, because today the results of the audit came out , there are only debts, there is no coal, the work

was not carried out in a timely manner, well, it is also a risk zone, unfortunately, thank god that we have and the private sector is very good for me. personally, today i trust the private sector more in the coal and heat generation segment than the state. the state-owned company centerenergo is completely inefficient and essentially bankrupt. today, nuclear units are all loaded and work nine units out of nine, but the fact that there is no zaporizhzhia station in the balance, we feel it very , very much, six blocks, you understand, this is essentially a third of all energy consumption today, therefore, here... there are enough problems even without rockets, unfortunately they can add, although with the other side i want to say that i don't think that there will be catastrophic options, there will be restrictions, some shutdowns will be emergency or scheduled, but i don't think that it will be worse than last winter, i definitely don't think so, the government is still

talking about it , that electricity prices will not change, but for the population , the prices for the population are on the market for them, they live their own lives, and ask any businessman, he will tell you that the prices for electricity and gas are biting, already biting they mowed a lot in the summer, they touched there, well now , but they keep these prices for the population, i'll tell you honestly, don't believe when someone tells you that the post-heating season option, price increase for the population, op-go. it is said in the authorities, in the cabin and in the nkrkp, this will be a separate conversation after the end of the heating season, but really during the ozp, the autumn-winter period, there will definitely not be an increase for the population, this is clear, thank god, let’s reassure our tv viewers, and

if it will be, at least in what parameters, well , listen, here for you today, here i am serhiy i answer as an adult, i myself...' i don't know the calculations of the government, according to which he calculated 2.64 for the population, we appealed, and i even asked ms. tymoshenko, the leader of our faction, for reinforcements, you understand, because when i appeal , well, relatively speaking, there is not a lot of respect for fellow members in the government there, what for their own, what for others, by the way, but we signed in two, and the head of the faction, i am ready with anyone to strengthen, and we asked turned there three... days to the government, show your calculations, how you arrived at the price 2.64 hryvnias, they will definitely give us an answer, i will definitely make it public through mass media and we will,

pricing is definitely unacceptable today. thank you, mr. oleksiy, it was oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine, stay healthy, and i remind you that we are conducting a poll during our entire broadcast, because this is an issue that the world press is already writing about today, about the conflict between the civilian and military leadership of the ukrainian state , as he writes about it, i hope that the next guest and i will talk about it now, because it is very important how the world perceives ukraine during the war, who is actually helped by the west and what the poles are doing. whether in this case the political forces are different or the forces that are in ukraine, that is why we ask you about this, whether in your opinion there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine. we have this question on youtube, vote, there are two options, yes, no, or you can leave your comment below this video

if you have any opinion, also you can call the numbers if you think there is a conflict between civil and military leadership of ukraine, then call 0800-211-381, no 0800, 211382, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. we are in touch with a politician, former head of the secretariat of the president of ukraine, oleg rybachuk. mr. oleg, i congratulate you and thank you for being with us today. i congratulate sergey. thank you for inviting me. well, mr. olezh , since we are asking whether there is a conflict between the political and military leadership of ukraine, you as a person who has observed more than one political conflict in your biography, and there were... probably these conflicts, what will you say now, during the war, the economist writes that there is a political threat in kyiv, and

that zelenskyi’s rating is falling, and because of this, zelenskyi’s team is jealous of another, another leader, let's say, who is during the war, valery zaluzhny, questions are coming from the office of the president of ukraine, the speaker of the parliament, ruslan stefanchuk, says that this is generally a game of forces and special services, what do you say, do you see this conflict, in public space, including, it is on alas, it is a chronic and such a bad tradition, such a slightly perverted and distorted system of power in ukraine, because we have chronic problems between banka street, hrushevskyi street or between the office of the president... by any name, under any president, similar

things happened, they could go out into the public space more, go out less, but this is a traditional story, there are many people who live there, you know, like how germs feed on intrigues, some conflicts, then on the on on the general public it is said that no there were no conflicts, i remember it well, perfectly, but ukraine has never... once in its history of independence been in such dangerous conditions, but to allow such things when there is a mortal threat in front of us is absolutely unacceptable, therefore, yes they are, i understand against these conflicts, but we don't need to support them, we don't need to stir them up, and those who are engaged in this should somehow come to their senses, because the enemy is on the doorstep, on the one hand, the enemy ... on the doorstep, on the other hand, mr. oleg, how

perceive such conflicts or misunderstandings, let's say, like our western partners, because it is clear that when the western press starts writing and various publications start spreading the topic of this political monstrosity, then one way or another the voters have a question for their politicians, listen, well, there, in general, they begin to share power among themselves, although there is a war, what are you doing, why are you giving them money, why are you giving them weapons. how, how do our western partners perceive it, well, in particular, those diplomats with whom you communicate, well, mostly people with whom i communicate, they know ukraine very well, they understand, and for them it is definitely not a level that deserves spending time on conversations, they understand that there are much bigger problems, and they talk about much more serious things, well, they are no fools there they don't know and don't want to hear, but the right supports such... things, supports such things, well, the yellow western press, sometimes it's not quite yellow,

there are leading world publications, they also like insults and are going to clip there, and that's why it's a bit mirror-like the situation of serious politics, true friends, strategic partners of ukraine, they do not pay attention to this, for them it is in general, well , it is some kind of bottom to which... they do not let themselves go, but there is a struggle for opinions, we cannot at all exclude russia from there, which has allocated some crazy money for another information campaign, so these are the realities. mr. olezh, today a meeting of the ukraine-nato council was held in brussels, where our minister of foreign affairs, dmytro kuleba, was present , and jen stoldeng spoke about what ukraine presented. nato agreed on a new reform plan, and stoltenberg said at the briefing today

that he is impressed by the reforms carried out by ukraine. and this program, which is usually agreed upon for a year already for membership, before ukraine joins nato, we will implement what stoltenberg also said , he said that ukraine is moving closer and closer to nato, and he noted that allies are talking about supporting ukraine on the way to membership in the alliance, as well as on the battlefield, let's hear what stoltenberg said. this meeting demonstrates that ukraine is moving everything closer and closer to nato. so today we 're going to discuss how we can support your journey to alliance membership. all our allies agree that ukraine should become a member of the organization. it is also important to discuss the reform efforts that ukraine should make along the way, as well as how exactly nato countries

can help implement these reforms. mr. olezh, is it only a matter of reforms , now we are on our way to nato, and of course , well, war, it is clear that for the north atlantic alliance, this is probably not an unfavorable time for taking country and then answer there according to the charter of the north atlantic alliance for this country and stand up for it, is this a question of reform, reform, reform, we will endlessly generate and issue these reforms, and nato membership itself will only be when there is no russian boots on the territory of ukraine? well, even when there will be no russian boots on the territory of ukraine, this is by no means a guarantee that we will immediately receive an invitation to nato, the real problem is the lack of a unified view of naa member countries for the future, for what to do with russia after

we expel them from our territory there. how to get russia to be held accountable, contributions, again, the judicial system, the judicial bench is waiting in the gas , how to do it all, there is no discussion, there is no understanding that russia must be held accountable under international law, which has already called putin a criminal, he should already be sitting on... undercover, but, well, you won't even hear talk about it in the west, other than that, i think that next year is so difficult from the point of view of elections, these trends that orbán is so happy about, the coming to power of far-right eurosceptics , there will still be a number of european countries, there will be elections, there will be elections in the european

parliament, although analysts say that there will be no fundamental changes , well, putin's friends will not come, they will not have a majority in the european parliament, but all these factors will influence, and of course, the main dream and hope of president putin is the result of the elections in the united states, and therefore, i think that we in fact, it is not worth dreaming about an invitation to the anniversary washington summit, although i personally really hoped that it would happen , now it would be a great miracle for me if we received this invitation, it is clear that the next year will be very decisive and it is clear that many things depends on ukraine, but no fewer things depend on geopolitics and how seriously the west understands the threat, someone from lansbergist , i think lansbergist said, at a meeting, the minister of foreign affairs of one of

the baltic countries said that e in he has a feeling that the west lacks an event like perharbol, so that something like that would break out, so that everyone would be shocked, how america entered the war after these events, which is in the west, in the west there is a feeling that after all this it's not their war, it's far, well, it's going there , it's unpleasant, you have to somehow support it, but there's no sense of this mortal threat, which kurt walker, among other things, talks about, well, with whom we meet regularly, i know him a lot... i know for years, he is very consistent when he says that the statements are based on what we are heard, this is recently, what happened again, what is at this summit, an important summit, i do not dispute, it is a great achievement, the highest level, but the information that we will be with you until then, only as long as it will be necessary, gives just a clear signal to putin that he should press on, wait for the elections in america or