[000:00:00;00] of the baltic countries said that he had the feeling that the west lacked an event like perkharov, so that something like that would break out, so that everyone would be shocked and how america entered the war after these events, that the west has a feeling in the west , that after all, it is not their war, far from it, well, it goes there, it is unpleasant, it is necessary to support it somehow, but there is no sense of this mortal threat, which, by the way, kurt walker, with whom we meet regularly, i am his have known him for many years, he is very consistent when he says that statements based on what we heard, this is recently, what happened again, that at this summit, an important summit, i do not dispute, this is a great achievement, the highest level, but the information that we will be with you only so far , as much as it takes, just gives a clear signal to putin that he should press on, wait for the elections in america or

something else, so the discussion is still going on, with us until victory, or how much is needed, who needs it, at what cost, these questions remain, and the question of what defeat should look like russia, that is, what is the defeat of russia, that is, it will not be putin, there will be no russia, whether russia will not be in the form in which it is, this is also a big question, but at this ministerial meeting in brussels, in the north atlantic alliance, peter szijjártó, the minister of foreign affairs of hungary, said that ukraine cannot now... become a member of nato, because it would lead to the third world war and because kyiv violates the rights of national minorities, and he also said that hungary will never send weapons to ukraine, i suggest you listen to what he said sijarto. what we have never done and will never do is deliver weapons to ukraine, because we believe that instead of weapons , peace should be brought to this region, and the more weapons are delivered, the longer

the war will last. now, the longer the war goes on, the more people die, well, tsijarto has the impression that his ancestors did not, did not experience, the soviet union, and the times of hungary under the soviet union, because it seems to him that they are now in a better situation, can say now, we will not supply ukraine with this or that, mr. oleg, how do you assess the position of hungary, which is always against, against everything, against financing ukraine from the eu. against supplying weapons here, and it is clear that both szijjártó and orbán are behaving like trojan horses in the european community, this is probably a question rather not to the ukrainians, why, why is hungary behaving like this and not to you, mr. oleg, but to the europeans, why do they still keep them there, despite the fact that hungary is probably the most subsidized country in the european union, huh,

but they are not... not always against, they are for practically everything initiated by russia and putin, they, they are traditional partners , that is, any statements that come from putin, initiatives from moscow, well, from putin, even from china, that is , they really chose their coordinate system, and this coordinate system is not brussels or european at all, but what to do with it, well, europeans really think, and this is a problem, the problem is that the constitution is european or this union treaty is european, it does not provide for exit mechanisms, so there is brexit, but it is an unsuccessful experience, and pay attention when hungarians simply already in the eyes say, well, you don’t like it, go to your own, to your putin, to the russian world, then orbán says that without us, without hungary, the european union will simply disappear, the only one who can really save hungary is

the european union from decay it is us hungarians, because we tell the truth, we warn, and there are laughter and tears, but the problem of hungary is not only the problem of hungary, it is also the problem of the expansion of the european union, because on the one hand orbán talks a lot, but again there he was promised 900 million, he is still something is traded, but in the european union they have methods of influencing it, and these methods are quite marginal, but the problem must be solved globally, because i am sending... very wrong signals to the european union itself, all the members, all the candidates who went to of the european union, took written commitments to adhere to the international policy, the foreign policy of the european union, and we see, here is syarto, he has an order somewhere on his lapel in his locker, which putin hung there for faithful service, what are you from him

you want, he, he serves someone who is his superior, orban is from the same category, but further on , fitsa now appears on the border with slovakia, certain goods are blocked there, that is, there is a certain challenge, i have already spoken about it. in front of the european union and they are aware of it and they are preparing for it, it must be understood that putin, well, does not feel alone. putin is hoping not only for the elections in the united states, he is hoping that the european union will flake so much, you know, that some pieces will start to fall off and it will weaken, and putin not only hopes, and they are working hard on it. of course, the number two topic is probably in the western press after what's hot. political strife in ukraine, these are possible peace talks. first , bilt, referring to his sources in the german government, wrote that both the frg and the united states of america are trying to sway ukraine to peaceful

negotiations with russia, then several other european and american newspapers wrote about it. today, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine kuleba is at a meeting of the ukraine nato council. said that territorial there can be no compromise with the russian federation, let's listen to what dmytro koleba said. we must continue, we must continue to fight. ukraine does not plan to retreat. our strategic goal, which is the territorial integrity of the country within the recognized borders of 1991, remains unchanged. and nothing will stop us. and this is a question not only of the security of ukraine, but also of the entire euro-atlantic region. mr. olezh, the fact that this is a question of the ukrainian state and the entire ukrainian people, we, we

understand that, and is dmytro kuleba right? when he says that this is the question of the entire euro-atlantic space, he is right in the sense that the answer to this question depends on what will be and whether there will be at all, how integral the structure of this euro-atlantic space will exist, but the opinion that currently prevails in the west among analysts, it sounds roughly like that putin is not ready for any negotiations in the coming year, he does not need them, he is counting on the geopolitical situation to change, as i said, there are elections in the united states, political changes in the european union well, tired, i'm not i will say this word, because it has been heard for two years, but it does not really manifest itself, because pay attention , it is about the fact that, as it were, the top leadership of germany and america made a decision, but

look at the position of scholz, what is the position of the minister of german foreign affairs, they are talking about redoubling efforts, i am already silent about the position of the united states, and well , i have to say it again, one more time... this mantra, because we have put so much emphasis on the fact that we can do without the help of the united states that most likely, my personal prediction is that most likely the resolution of the congress will be voted on in december , and the speaker of the congress has already told the republicans about it, so they have conditions there that can annoy us, because there is bipartisan support for ukraine and of israel, but the republicans inserted a question there, politicians regarding their southern borders, this question... democrats and republicans have not been able to agree with each other since 1996, but again the mood of the american voters and this understanding of the political elites gives me a reason

to think that this decision will be made, we just have another year, because what will happen after the elections in the fall of next year, you can guess, we need to be aware of this and draw conclusions and prepare for the fact that we will need to significantly increase our efforts to increase own or capacity, but for now through the mouth of the secretary general of nato and the mouth of the president of the european union, funderlein, who said that we have already fulfilled more than 90% there, that we will receive an invitation to negotiations, we will start a dial dialogue on acquiring membership and we will move further in this direction, thank you, thank you, mr. oleg, it was oleg gribachuk, friends, we are working live on the tv channel, as well as on our platforms in... we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether, in your opinion, there is a conflict between the civilian and the military leadership of ukraine, if there is, then vote, yes, no, here 77 believe that there is

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the most influential people in europe? friends, today we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether, in your opinion, there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, yes no , please vote in our application and on our youtube and facebook platforms, and you can also take to hand smartphone and vote by numbers, if you see this conflict or know about this conflict, vote for the number... 0800 211-381 no 0800-21-382 all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. before we start our conversation with the guests of our current studio , let's watch a video of how the ukrainian defense forces destroyed the book-3 self-propelled anti-aircraft missile system of kupant, the cost

of the machine is 40 million dollars. let's see. friends, today. in our studio the best political experts, political scientists and political technologists of ukraine, so olesya ekhno, political expert, mrs. olesya, i congratulate you and i am glad to see you on our broadcast , congratulations, mutually, oleksiy holobutsky, political technologist, mr. oleksia, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast, congratulations, volodymyr tsybulko, political expert, mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, dear society. dear and respected society, i am glad that you are all with us today on the air, since today's topic is precisely such that precisely for in order for you to draw some definite conclusions, we ask our guests, and the guests we have on youtube and on tv, first of all, whether

they see a conflict between, or in their opinion , a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, let's ... we will answer this rather simple question. mrs. olesya, what do you think, whether there is a conflict or not. no, i believe that there is no conflict either between the military and civilians, moreover, nor between the government and the opposition, but there are certain contradictions regarding the vision, possible tactics and strategy, both in terms of communication, and and regarding specific actions, i admit that these contradictions are there, but not a conflict, because ... in fact, a conflict is a vision of something global, i think that it is the same for everyone today, and there can be contradictions, i think that in to some extent they are. mr. volodymyr, well, there is frank trolling on the part of the political authorities personally, the commander-in-chief of luzhny, that is

, there are no claims against other military commanders, and if, for example, general budanov publishes... some of his articles somewhere in the foreign press, no criticism of his there is no address, or publications, for example, of general syrsky do not cause any irritation, that is, there is jealousy on the part of the bank and towards, well, the high authority of general zaluzhn. mr. oleksiy, do you think there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine? well, i would say yes, if there really is a conflict, there would be a conflict between, military and civilians, exactly a conflict, yes, then i think that we would already feel it and no one would bet even 5 kopecks on the fate of ukraine in this war, so i still think it's not a conflict,

because let's still use words that carry, well, a clear meaning, a conflict is a war, we understand, in wartime, that 's all, this, it means that whether these civilians, the civilian government wants to transfer responsibility to the military, or the military want to shift the responsibility to civilians, and such conflicts in history end very badly for these countries, so this is not a conflict, this is a desirable scenario for russia, which in principle, considering the weakness of our institutions and the dependence of the media. dependence of many representatives of the authorities and of the military in our country, it's just, really , it's just that something must be said, it must be said publicly , of course it can turn into a conflict situation, today zayakonovyts

wrote about the fact that the political threat in kyiv and the drop in zelenskyi's rating, that there is a tense political field or political lines. between the military and political leadership, when russia began its invasion on february 22, the newspaper writes, competitive politics fell into hibernation, it returned when the existential threat to ukraine decreased at the end of the same year, after this publication came out, and the adviser to the head of the office of the president of ukraine, mykhailo podolyak , said that there is no conflict or there is no uh...' misunderstanding of the political threat in ukraine, and stefanchuk said that this is propaganda of the russian federation , there has never been a single case of tension between the political and military leadership, but when the speaker of the parliament or the speaker of the parliament talks about something that never happened and does not exist

not a single case of tension, then, i think that the three of you are definitely reading and seeing what is happening now in social networks, and one person who is constantly doing it and trying to create this tension is mariana bezugla, a people's deputy of ukraine from servants of the people, deputy head of the parliamentary committee on national security and defense, if you... do something wrong, or, if this is not denied by the party leader, or the conditional leader, or the political leader of this party, volodymyr zelenskyi, does this mean that they share this opinion, that is, it has been going on for two or three weeks, maybe four weeks, and it looks, well, not trolling at all, it is actually a serious thing, when a people's deputy from the monopoly demands the resignation of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine.

mrs. olesya, this is how to perceive what bezuglaya is doing now, and whether it is really related to the competence of the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, does maryana bezuglaya have enough arguments for him to resign, why these questions about the fact that he should resign, she does not articulate to the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine, because, in principle, what is being done by zaluzhny is done under the leadership of volodymyr zelenskyi. well, all the same, everything related to the war, directly to our actions, to our tactics , strategy, behavior, i still consider superpersonalities, and not in the context of these or other statements, personalities, well, at least i begin to consider it that way, i every day i read various publications in various foreign media. and just yesterday, i noted for myself, there was a statement from nato representatives about the fact that in ukraine

there is a vision of the next stage of the war and how it should be conducted. therefore, returning to your question, and globally, regardless of who makes what statements and refutes them or not, we still understand that we are in a long war, they are already talking about it, well, almost everyone, it also sounds like in fact, a discussion, well, in particular by the former head of nato, about the fact that it is necessary or not necessary to provide guarantees to the occupied territories in the process of joining nato, that is , some security option is being considered in the presence of war, when it is obvious that there will not be no agreement has been signed, and moreover, i am convinced that no negotiations are in the near future. will not happen, so i believe that the problem is not a conflict between specific personnel or misunderstandings, these

misunderstandings can arise, we cannot rule them out, but the main thing is not the attitude of one or another personnel, say politicians to the military or military to politicians, but there is a problem of seeing the real behavior of ukraine itself, in the conditions when it is changing... the external conjuncture is obviously not entirely in our favor, yes, we have support, we constantly hear that support for ukraine will continue, we see that ukraine is moving to the format of bilateral, so-called security guarantees, which essentially mean the provision of military aid on different terms for different countries, but still we see how the discussion is going in the united states against the background of... the presidential campaign, how are the results of the elections in different countries and

the fact that, after all, there is a certain fatigue from the long war, it is there, that is why the situation for ukraine is becoming more difficult, all the points that i wrote about in his article, zaluzhny is a zaikonist, including about the problems of mobilization, they also exist, these problems exist in russia as well, but quantitatively , so far, yes, it takes the number... trying to outdo ukraine in this way, i think that the real problem , if it does arise, it really is that we need to articulate very clearly our vision in these conditions of what we can get the maximum, what we can get the minimum, and what we will present to society as a victory when we are at war payback, the so-called, what was said by the industrious, or there is a peak war, society still needs some kind of victories, and i think that in part, even if this security

flank, which is both the front and which will be with... after all, there must be concrete changes inside ukraine as well, which relate to the political part, which relate to political reforms, so i would consider this problem not along the lines of a conflict between the military or politicians, when someone may have criticism of someone or , for example, some claims, but along the lines that the military must work out its strategy and vision tactics further... of our actions in the conditions of a long war, and politicians should move on to working out their tactics and strategy regarding the rear, in order to show society the changes inside ukraine, especially since we do not need to invent anything, we have the criteria prescribed in the framework of the movement towards the european

of the union, statements were also made today within the framework of the ukraine-nato meeting, the ukraine-nato council regarding reforms, there is no need to invent anything here either, so here i think that this is, well, a transitional period, when we understand that the war long that there may be problems in society , including tom's, including in ukrainian society, despite the fact that military actions by russia continue, disinformation campaigns continue, there is an external conjuncture, and it is necessary to somehow rebuild and especially rebuild communication , that's why various statements, returning including... to the bezugula or other statements, it seems to me that they reflect not so much the reality of things that are in relationships, or in attitudes or in the desire for real actions, but which are an element, well, more of an informational one, it seems to me, and i think that politicians, regardless of whether it is the government or the opposition,

should still be more active from the point of view of, well, not informational campaigns, but concrete proposals, how to build communication, not among themselves, but with society, in order for society to, well , keep, you know, still in this state of mobilization, and still show victories, including internal political components. thank you, ms. olesya, mr. volodymyr, this is what we say, right. now we are trying to explain what is happening, and whether it could be so and whether or not it is so, it is banal that there is a rating of zelsky, who, as they say, has dropped a little in connection with the corruption scandals currently in power, is the rating of the industrious, and the rating of the industrious is a rating from the zsu, that is, people trust the zsu, people trust the industrious, well, accordingly, in this

category, are there any, closed, closed sociology, maybe these are the results of the closed sociology that we see, maybe we do not know this, but the economist writes that there is there was a very big fall in zelenskyi because of these corruption scandals, could it be, this political jealousy, political jealousy is the result of what we see, you know, i am worried about something else, the fact is that the representatives of the parliamentary factions, literally, in my opinion . apparently, a couple of weeks ago, they signed such an inter-factional agreement in zakarpattia that they insist that the election campaign can be held only six months after the end of the war, that is , no one has an election itch, there are also parliamentary and presidential elections there is no campaign, none of the parties is preparing

for the elections, that is, the nature of this phenomenon, this attack on the general of zaluzba. is that, well, there is obviously nervousness in the banking sector, because there is a big downturn in the economy, there is a big, big conflict, a bigger conflict with our local self-government, and he is against the background of, well, these attacks on general zaluzhnyi, he is not very noticed by the media, but general zaluzhnyi simply heads the most important to date, the state tutsia, in fact, well, such a complex united power fist, because he is not only the commander -in-chief of the armed forces, but border guards and guards are now subordinate to him during the war, i.e. all people with weapons are subordinate to the supreme

commander-in-chief, i.e. the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, and this...' attacks against