[000:00:00;00] of this attack on general zaluzhnyi is that, well, there is obviously nervousness, in the bank, because there is a big downturn in the economy, there is a big conflict, a bigger conflict in our local self-government, and it is against the background, well, of these attacks on general zaluzhnyi, it is not very noted media, but general zaluzhny simply heads the most important. today it is a state institution, in fact, well, complex, such a united, powerful fist, because he is the commander-in-chief not only of the weapons of the armed forces, but also the border guards are subordinate to him during the war,

and her guard, that is, all people with weapons are subordinate to the supreme commander, that is, the commander-in-chief... of the armed forces, and these attacks, raids against her general zaluzhnyi, they are connected with the fact that the bankers feel that ukrainians see in zaluzhnyi, well a real leader, who is more effective than the political leader zelenskyi. attacking him now is an absolutely irrational idea, since the legitimacy and rating of the zelsky direction depends on the success of the general. zaluzhnu, directly depends, that is, in this story the donor, legitimacy and rating of zelenskyi is general zaluzhnyi, who does not make any political assessments in anything or anywhere and does not demonstrate himself as a potential political leader, he now commands the troops and his main task is the war, when zelenskyi in an interview with the publication himself says that if

some generals want to engage in politics , then let them, well, give up commanding the troops and engage in politics, so we can say in response that if some politicians want to engage in war, then let them make their own political powers, put on a uniform, take a machine gun and go to the army to engage in war, according to their education, which will allow them to occupy some position in the war, whether a private, or a platoon commander, or maybe... even a battalion commander, if the education allows, well a special education allows you to lead a military unit, so in this sense the bank began to shake the situation , given the fact that, in principle, even local self-government in difficult conditions does not

loudly express claims, that is, we do not have no social execution that tries... er, well, to inflame political life, everyone avoids this political life, we recall the story when wives of azov citizens and relatives of azov citizens came to the rally to call on the authorities to fight for a faster return from the capture of azov citizens, enough with them, well, i would say that the police behaved incorrectly, and the detention and the like. instead, when we see when they walk around the cities of ukraine. obsessed babers with posters enter the confectionery chain and start raising money, give money to the armed forces, well, it looks like another action of the banks, i’m not talking about how the controlled banks are trying, so to speak, to heat up the situation due to the fact that they are even starting to ask foreign military experts, and whether the political leadership can

eliminate military leaders. maybe, because in essence the military leadership is the executive branch of power, and the political power is in a position to change military leaders, only one situation, it can dominate the fact that the front will collapse and all the hatred will be poured out on the political leadership as a result, they they are most afraid of being responsible precisely for the results of military actions, it is very profitable for them, as long as, well , the military command takes responsibility for the front, the civilian authorities do not take responsibility, for example, for the supply, for the production, of defense products, for the development of the economy, for reformatting the economy on military lines, i.e., it seems to me that the political power has much more to

answer to the military than the military to the political leadership. thank you, mr. volodymyr. mr. oleksiyu, from the point of view political technologist, what volodymyr zelensky should have done, or what volodymyr zelenskyy should have said in order to prevent these... , that there is some kind of tension, there is podalyak, who says that there is no tension, there is stefanchuk , who says that there is no tension, and we do not hear this from zelensky himself as the commander-in-chief, although zelenskyi, once again , is above the commander-in-chief armed forces of ukraine, valery zaluzhny, that is, in principle, within the competence... zelenskyi would have to come out and say, listen, we don’t have any problems at all, i hear what you are talking about in these broadcasts, why is the western press writing about it, we are more united than ever, that’s why that we, the ukrainian authorities, both military and civilians, seek only one

victory? well, this is both a difficult and at the same time a simple question, because it is simple in the sense that we are over-dramatizing the situation , it seems to me that the situation is enough for ukraine, it seems to me that it is absolutely obvious, i have not written about this before, no no one day, i don't see in bezugly some kind of demon that the representatives of the opposition forces are trying to make there , by turning an absolutely insignificant, absolutely non-existent figure into some kind of mere poet of the judges, but this was the task, those who learn bezugly, the task was exactly this, reduce the discussion to the point that we are all now, we, experts, journalists, i can see it in tiktok , we are all already discussing various topics, that is, the task was, if i say cynically, again,

i will be cynical now, no mine, this is not my relationship to zaluzhnyi, or to zelsky, it is the cynical view of a political technologist, which lasted for a year and a half, well... almost everyone had self-censorship, and there was no political life, political life began to rage somewhere in the summer, well, of course, for many reasons, it is impossible to act like that, to warm up, that is, the public, in waiting for some kind of miracle, i remember, i didn't understand it then, and i don't understand it now, there is massive trolling there booking hotel rooms in the crimea. there is a parade, preparation for the parade in moscow, well , of course, against such a background there are huge expectations, and when these expectations are not justify themselves, then questions arise that are already difficult to restrain, and it is absolutely logical that the political leadership wants to be

on an equal footing with the military, you understand, so that this sacredness of the military disappears, so that the military is supposedly infallible, the military are saints, the military would they are fighting for the country, but these thieves are to blame for everything. corruptionists and so on, that is, to lower the discussion to an extraordinary level for ukrainians, but when have they already heard, when will they talk about i don't know, about where the plan for the 24th year was hidden zaluzhnyi, who i don’t know who his wife is, and who did you see in the headquarters, in the general staff , besides the military there and so on, that is, this discussion has already begun, no matter how much the opponents are raging there, it fulfilled its function 100% . absolutely, the discussion went down, and will it bring benefits, well, again, i understand very well that if our political leadership, not even political, but

the service of the political leadership is thinking within the framework of the election campaign, then everything is absolutely logical, and moreover , i am sure that no one will benefit from this logic of course, he will not be fired, because it is suicide. zuluzhny must be kept until exactly that time, well, again, i say this as a cynical political technologist, yes, when everything could be hung on him, well, we don’t know what will happen next year, in principle, yes, we we don't know what agreements we will go to, we don't know all these words, when i hear long war, long is how long, are you ready with that, well roughly speaking, yes, all these questions that are asked to the military - to the civilian the leadership, they are so...' the same can be done to the military leadership to ask these questions, so when they will be, when finally there, as some say, they will lower the age of conscription, when they will start conscripting criminals, that is, a lot awaits us, what is mobilization in

the economy, as we imagine, that is, a huge number questions to which there are no answers, in principle, and you know what it's like, tomorrow is a good day... he will show the plan for the 24th year and everyone will be fine, everyone will calm down, say, well, that 's great, we go with it, that is, it is a continuation of our political tradition, absolutely the one to which we're not used to it, it's just that for a year and a half we had such a situation of freezing, when we kept all our emotions, all our thoughts, and as everyone so to speak, i say the same about myself, i did not criticize zelensky, no criticized the government, held on, so i could keep myself in my hands, and now it all starts , and they decide, that is, they, in order to finish, they solve the problem so that it does not look like there are untouchables, it is the military, and there is the political leadership, that everyone can... and spit in

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you about whether, in your opinion, there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine, yes no, please vote on youtube, as well as during the telecast with mobile phones, if you believe that this conflict exists, call 0800-211-381, not 0800 211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i would like to remind you that olesya yakhnov, volodymyr tsybulko and oleksiy holobutsky, the best political experts of ukraine, who today analyze the situation in ukraine, are our guests. because there are a lot of topics that are either political or close to politics. another very important topic is the future of the branch of the russian orthodox church in ukraine. this week it became known that more than 50 people's deputies of ukraine appealed to ruslan stefanchuk, the speaker of the parliament

, with a request to send the draft law, which was already under consideration in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, to the venice commission, well, in this way, these people's deputies ukrainians want to get a conclusion, and to put it simply, to block , obviously, the consideration of this law, or for this law to enter into force, at the same time today the metropolitan of the pcp, pavlo lebid, known as pasha mercedes, came to the court and the court sentenced he is under house arrest until january 29, in the pechersk district court of the capital lev claimed that he was never on the side of russian aggression and did not support it, let's hear what he said.

today, god has a fair decision, and the prosecutors' office does not press for a trial, because i have already looked, i have had more than 80 trials, so i thank god for everything, but i ask that the lord understand everyone, because i will tell more. i did not do anything for which i am being judged today, it is unfair. ladies and gentlemen, well, obviously, by the end of the war , the whole church will say that they never had relation to a branch of the russian orthodox church, meaning the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate. mrs. olesya, how do you feel about the fact that it is already the second year of the great, two years of the almost great war and 10 years of war. no, which is ongoing, and which was started by russia, we know that these people , whom we now see in the courts, they worked and are working for the russian federation, and they never came, they received orders from putin, which threatens the further existence of ukraine branches of the russian

orthodox church in ukraine? well, there are several levels of this problem, first of all, there is an individual level, we have heard many precedents when...' certain uocp priests could keep weapons and so on, that is, there is , well, concrete cooperation, regardless of what laws accepted and prohibited or not prohibited in the pcp. this is the first level, and here there should be unconditional responsibility, if there is evidence of specific individual cooperation of certain clergymen of the ukrainian orthodox church. the second is the level of the buildings themselves. it is very right that the kiev-pechersk lavra has finally moved there to the ocu, in the same way, this applies to the process of transition, where it can be ensured voluntarily in the form of a manifestation of community initiative, and this is already a legal aspect, how

to regulate property rights, that simply this process was voluntary and the uocp was marginalized by itself, well and finally... the third level, it is the most important, is the very structure of the uocp, when in our country, well, in theory, on the one hand, the church is separated from the state, and on the other hand, we are in war conditions, where in russia, the church is obviously, well not just if one with there yes, well, such troops, yes, if you can say so, but they are simply a concrete instrument in the war, when cyril blesses this war. from the very beginning of the full-scale invasion, and in this case, when the priests say that we are not involved, and we have never, no, no, had anything to do with it, then you have to understand that anyway, myself, well, the canons, yes, they foresee, that is constantly mentioned in prayers

, even, well, there is a surname, a name, cyril, as the patriarch of the russian orthodox church, and it is already in this way, well, association and perception. ago here it seems to me that it is really important, already legislatively, and if only - to prescribe certain steps, i think that to begin with, it should not be called the uoc mp, but the roc in ukraine, which corresponds to the correct status, and this would contribute to the marginalization, natural of this church, to the reduction of parishioners , i.e. such as if, well, without any , additional legislative steps, well, the next stage, it could be, well, such stricter prescribed legislative steps, but it seems to me that it is very important. so that the parishioners and in general in ukraine itself have an understanding of what this is

not the uoc mp, but what is the russian orthodox church in ukraine, because anyone who has at least a little understanding of the statute , how it works, how churches operate, despite the declaration of autonomy, which is what the uocp likes to talk about very often , one must understand that their mother church is located in moscow, and this autonomy is very limited. it is still linked to russia, so it is very clear , it seems to me, that this needs to be articulated, and here at the level of the name, at the legislative level, to be changed, because moreover, we know that in the pc they sometimes they call themselves simply the ukrainian orthodox church, not even adding the moscow patriarchate, thus trying to mislead a certain part and further, yes there society, that we will be even more autonomous there and so on, so here it is... it seems to me that from this it is necessary, well, that the name should be regulated very clearly and that it marginalizes and promotes the voluntary

transition of both clergy and parishioners, and further, if it is already in such a marginalized quantitative manifestation of the russian orthodox church in to ukraine, well, it seems to me that the next step is to look at how to act, because if you simply ban it, well, that is also an option, but i think that it may take some time in view of the complaints there and so on, and here it is as i have already said, the perception from the name that this is the russian orthodox church, it seems to me that it would be very effective and in itself would work to reduce the number of parishioners and the voluntary transfer of clergy, so that on... actually , all these statements by the swan and others that we

are not involved, we are never there, we are against the war, there allegedly, yes, this is all precisely aimed at this, in order to supposedly distinguish oneself, realizing that even in prayers , the name of cyril is mentioned there every day, but this level, it is the most difficult, precisely by law, well, if only to regulate , and that it was effective and that it did not drag on for a long time. thank you, ms. olesya, mr. volodymyr, the russian orthodox church in ukraine is such a large and serious network, 10,000 parishes, in principle, already less, well less, but, but from the point of view of managing this network and using this networks, why am i asking you, because you were all involved in elections in one way or another, and probably the russian orthodox church was also involved in elections, always supporting one or the other. candidates or certain forces, well, in sermons, in conversations with parishioners, maybe

someone is just holding this big net until the next elections, or why there is no political decision on the roc branch, first of all, previous experience shows that this is more accurate, this the network is religious, it campaigned exclusively for one political force, if not for the communist party, then for the party regions lebid himself, as far as i remember, was a deputy of the kyiv council from the party of regions, the fact is that the servant of the people is the youth of the party of the region, and they understand very well what propaganda and campaigning opportunities this church network has, which is why they are looping , they are postponing, so to speak, banning it, why, because they are counting on its use in the elections, but it seems to me that everything here is already getting into how complicated the conflict within

the state is, that if you don’t get rid of it before the elections, this network will simply be, well , self, what self in to shoot the leg, the authorities can in this way, because there is a very well-known letter, the address of the head of the sbu , malyuk, to the parliamentary committee, where he says that the sbu proposes to supplement and expand the law, let me remind you that the good, very high-quality law of mykola knyazhytsy, the parliamentary the majority carefully pushed it aside and produced its very optical law, where it is possible to really ban the church network if there is, until proven collaboration. the sbu proposes to supplement it with additional articles, such as terrorism, introduction. violation of the customs of war,

that is, there are serious articles, and in addition, he, malyuk, announces that the sbu is currently conducting 65 criminal cases against representatives of this church for organizing 65 criminal cases, 20 or so of them for treason, there are articles for possession of weapons, for calls to, well state system, regarding the overthrow of the state system, and even for child pornography, imagine, well, a real church, in principle , modern, sorry, this is such a joke, but well, in principle, a russian real church, well, it is absolutely... it is understandable. mr. oleksiy, if very briefly, please tell me what they are trying to block this draft law, or through the venetiaka, to pass it, well, it is not accidental either, and obviously, there are many questions for those people who do this. well, moreover, i am sure that they will most likely succeed in this, because from the point of view of the venice commission , from the point of view of europeans, of course, freedom

of religion and national security - well, for them, this is an issue for some countries of the 17th and 18th centuries, for some in the 19th century, yes, in the 21st century, it is difficult for them to think about such things in general, so to speak, so more than likely they will be suspended, and why, why is this happening, well, because, well, if we talk specifically about the agency, there is an agency, then there are connections... russian orthodox church, listen, i, my acquaintance, who, well, let's put it this way, had the opportunity to be at the birthday of this handsome bearded man, yes, marzotnyk, pavel and their chief, this scoundrel, i forgot his name, yes, there were a crowd of all these politicians, it was not, not

the 13th, not the 12th year, yes, it was five or four years ago, and in embroidered dresses, standing and what all these patriots and not only patriots stood at will, yes, it’s normal , and well, again, it’s money, and influence, and relationships, and it remains to be seen, so to speak, yes, of course, that’s just the way it is, it’s all the same to me the impression that there is some kind of desire to simply drag things out, well, of course, they can't, no one can deny that the russian orthodox church is bad, but they want to, i see. not only by the way in this direction , in the church direction, in many others, well, there is a war, well , another six months, well, a year, well, a year and a half, yes, well, there something will end, there will be peace, and then everything will be anew, so to speak, by the 21st, 22nd year, and maybe even by the 14th year, of course, thank you, mr. oleksiy, let's put an end to this, ladies and gentlemen , thank you for participating in the program,

olesya yakhno, oleksiy holobutsky, volodymyrko, i saw you all on the same broadcast and thank you for being with us. so, today we conducted a survey and asked our dear viewers, whether you think there is a conflict between the civilian and military leadership of ukraine. please display the results of the survey, telephone survey on the screen, we will now see what the proportion is, yes 77%, 23% say no, on youtube the proportion. 81, what is there, 19, what is not, that's it, friends, i'm putting a full stop, it was the program verdict of provivi serhii rudenko, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, see you tomorrow at 20:00,

goodbye. greetings, dear viewers, it's time to learn about the most important events at the moment, and i'll start this issue with this one, officially from the sbu. the security service of ukraine confirmed the searches on the territory of the pochaiv assumption lavra. law enforcement officers are investigating the involvement of the temple leadership in inciting nationalism. nothing and hatred. previously , a publication was posted on the monastery's website, which insulted the national honor and dignity of the jews, as well as incited religious enmity towards representatives of other churches. lavra clerics questioned the existence of ukraine as a sovereign state, separate from the russian federation. the security service of ukraine has not yet commented on what was found during the investigation on the territory