[000:00:00;00] from russia, mr. volcker, indicate that putin has followed the path of an arms race , that is, next year he will increase military spending, and then there will be more military spending, he is not going to stop at ukraine and, sanctions are not working, unity towards putin in there is no world, how do you think everything can end for the world and, first of all, for europe. well, first of all, sanctions work, they didn't stop russia completely, but they made the situation much more difficult for it. putin appeals to north korea for weapons. and several

years ago everything was completely different. sanctions have disrupted the russian economy and changed the lives of russian citizens, so sanctions are really working, what we need to do is fight sanctions evasion. we must fight the evasion of sanctions and increase our own defense production , because this is not enough for ukraine's needs. we need to build this base more. mr. volker, the united states of america

must prepare. in order to be able to repel the nuclear powers of russia and china in 27-35, they talk about this in particular the analysts who prepared the congressional report, the congressional commission of the bipartisan commission on the strategic posture of the united states of america, do these dates and what it says, what the analysts say, that the united states of america should also ... build up its arms and join the race weapons, like the russian federation? yes, we absolutely need to develop our defense base, we are not producing enough

weapons at the moment. mentioned deterring russia and china at the same time, and the most important thing we can do to to stop china is to convince putin to stop his attacks on ukraine, this will send a signal to china. thank you, mr. walker, this was kurt walker, permanent representative of the united states of america to ukraine in 200. 17-2019 . friends, we continue the live broadcast on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, you can vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether the ukrainian power today unity. if you watch us on youtube, everything is quite simple there, you choose yes, no, or if you are sitting with a smartphone, with a phone in front of

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which also leads to victory, which prefers victory and , accordingly, leads the ukrainian people, well you are absolutely right that national unity is one of the most important arguments, both in order to consolidate ukrainian society in the fight against the aggressor, and in order to ensure the support of our western partners, well, you know, i will surely answer not from myself, but from the headlines that i literally looked at today in zaikonisti, well, today is not a date, but rather an event, in fact, on the hundredth year, one of the most influential diplomats of our century, kissenger, died, here, but if we look at what it is about ukraine there is an article with the following phrase: it seems that the relationship between president zelenskyi and zaluzhny is extremely bad, followed by four headlines, the first is that

russia will use it, which means the advantage of the fact that there is a division among ukrainians, the second is that the west is tired of ukraine, the third is that russia has an advantage in terms of means. of electronic warfare and the fourth title , which seems that ukraine is in a deadlock, is meant, of course, our military actions, that is, this is the answer to your question, how does the world look at ukraine, as perceived by those who read this respectable western publication. the second point, this is for ukrainians, i looked at the public opinion survey of the razunkovo ​​center for september, the level of support for the armed forces of ukraine is 93% for the president of ukraine, 72% as an institution, and 75% for zelensky as a policy, that is , it says that there is a lot of trust in institutes of the president and, most importantly, the armed forces

, there is nothing to say about the industrious here, our razunkovo ​​center, well, i think it was right not to ask our citizens, because the industrious is not a politician, here, but this is an indicator of the level of trust... the institution is headed by such a person, of course, that playing political, political struggle with this person is definitely not to the benefit of those who will try to do it, it will definitely reflect, reflect, reflect back in the who is doing this, and we saw from the reaction of ukrainian society to the statements of one of the people's deputies who criticized the military leadership that they do not have any plans, so i think it is definitely not a good idea, let's say, to launch into public plane of these quarrels and give the opportunity to our enemies, primarily in the russian federation, to take advantage of this situation, i think that when the president spoke about maidan 3, russia cannot

commit maidan 3, it is absolutely clear, but to use the existing sins in, let's say, in this unity, they will definitely be able to and will definitely try to do it, it is not for the benefit of ukraine, but for our partners, who need clear signals to continue their support for ukraine. the people's deputy of ukraine you mentioned, mr. oleksandr, demanded from zaluzhnogo a plan for the 24th year, today, in fact, no one mentions it, in a few days, but two days ago at a meeting, a ministerial meeting in brussels, in the north atlantic alliance they said that they knew about the plans of ukraine for 24 years. in addition, at the meeting of the ukraine-nato council, which took place in brussels, the alliance highly appreciated the reforms that are already being implemented in ukraine, and at the same time outlined new plans for reforms. kurt walker, who was on the air before you,

says that during the war there are none questions, there are no problems for ukraine to be accepted into the north atlantic alliance , because this will be a marker and an indicator for putin that no one will let him go... and even if putin threatens nuclear war or nuclear missiles there, no one will be on to consider, i will quote kurt volker, convinced that nato policy today is inadvertently sending a signal to putin to continue hostilities, because we say that ukraine will become a member in the long term, but we cannot bring it into nato while the war is going on. this is an incentive for putin continue the war. i really think it's time for us to do. the opposite message is that ukraine will become a member of nato as soon as possible, this will mean that there will be no way for ukraine to lose, then it will be pointless for putin to continue this war and destructive for russia. why

do you think, mr. oleksandr, the alliance is delaying inviting ukraine to nato. we know that kurt walker was the representative of the united states of america in the special envoy to nato and he was a special representative. the united states of america was in ukraine in 17-19 and he knows what he's talking about says, well, you know, he is such an ardent supporter of ukraine, and the fact that i read his articles in sepa, actually about the fact that he told his idea, it shows in a very well-argued way how easy it is to do and how much one should not expect any the escalation of the conventional russian federation on the territory of ukraine, because they are already hitting us with everything they have, and he also said that there will be no nuclear escalation, well, in principle , his arguments are quite powerful, here, but he is, let's just say yes, an expert, he is not in the decision-making system, but in the system

decision-making is a person like jake saville, this is the national security adviser of the united states, who showed from the beginning, precisely before the day of the large-scale invasion, that he was guided by one reality of how he understood ukraine and russia, then this reality periodically changed, but so far, it has not reached the level where it is not passively managing the escalation, i.e. fearing what russia will do, on the contrary. and scaling down gradually so that russia defends itself, this is the most important moment, because they are afraid of a few things, the first moment is vertical escalation, the possibility of using weapons of mass destruction of the russian federation against ukraine, or even against, not against someone, in some territory, roughly speaking, in the arctic, in order to strengthen its message to the western world, and the second moment, it is usually horizontal.

escalation, when russia can do something against the member countries, there are the baltic states, poland or maybe romania, and then, in fact, the nato bloc will be drawn into this war, and this can lead to another escalation of weapons of destruction, oh, this fork, in this fork, he actually forms the strategies that he offers to the owner of the boss, that is, the president of the united states, to move away from such, let's say, understanding. and accordingly, in this way, they influence the decision-making of our partners, who are on the european corridor, that is, it is impossible to overcome, the germans have the same situation, in fact, they are afraid of this escalation, it seems to them that this long-term support that they provide and will provide to ukraine, it should prevent putin from continuing the war, but they are very, let's say

yes, they are wrong about authoritarian regimes and even more so about russian, let’s say, politics and the fact that putin will go to the end until he stops them, and most of the russian population will support it, and that is why there is no, let’s say, the opportunity to somehow influence russians , that they will oppose protin or vote against him in the so-called elections, that is why we cannot overcome these dilemmas, we have arguments that it will not work, so what is better... ukraine should be taken as soon as possible, but these arguments for it's a pity they don't work, the fact is that there is confusion among our, above all, key partners there, american and german. mr. oleksandr, today in skopje the summit of the ministers of foreign affairs of the countries participating in the osce began, and today lavrov came under demarche, because he was under boycott, under demarche, under boycott from the ukrainian delegation from six different

countries, i know that the countries the baltics joined this demarche, let's see how it all went in the skopje hall, thank you, mr. acting chairman, mrs. general secretary, colleagues, a little more than an hour later the 50th anniversary of the helsinki final act. well, he wanted to be left alone , maybe it was necessary to leave him alone altogether, well, here is the very idea, to invite sergey lavrov, a person who is a fellow student of putin's aggression against ukraine in skopje to the osce meeting, to the osce summit , and the impression is that lavrov came simply to protect this structure for the last time, to bury it already, and this is what all

his speech and, in general, his arrival there was directed at, can his arrival there be perceived as an attempt to involve russia in at least discussions or a last ditch effort, or was it simply a farewell to mr. lavrov and russia? well, you know, i absolutely agree. it is a pity that apart from the baltic states and ukraine, which declared. before the day of this event, that at the ministerial level they will not be participating there, and they put forward a quite, quite important argument that russia is actually destroying these instruments, and i would like, as it seems, litovsky, the minister of foreign affairs, said that we, this the organization must work, defend itself, from russia and act against russia, because it is a threat, unfortunately,

actually gave mr. lavrov an opportunity, a platform to continue this propaganda, war, propaganda of an anti-western, let’s say, vision of the world and the situation, he actually, after announcing his propaganda speech, gathered with... that is, those who said that very it's good that with the russians there is a platform where you can talk about controversial issues, since the osce was created to solve european security issues, they clearly tried to cover with a fig leaf what is difficult to cover, because he, i lie he did not come there for discussions, he actually came to say all these propagandistic things of his and to gather from there, of course he met there with... russia, there was a meeting with the hungarian minister of foreign affairs, and i think there was also an austrian one, who actually said, that the platform is very important in order to keep russia there, in fact it was simply necessary not to let this delegation , at least at this level, at least this person who is, let's say, putin's accomplice

in the war, and the second point is also important, he is nothing he decides long ago, that is, actually after a large-scale invasion took place. does not affect putin's opinion, so what is with him, what can we talk to him about, what can he do, if he is not an important functionary in that authoritarian system of governing russia, so no, there was no sense either from a moral or a functional point of view in view of his invitation, by the way, the minister of foreign affairs of germany, anna lena berbock, she said that the russian government is playing a sneaky game to destroy the osce, let's hear what she said. the treacherous game of the russian government is and was to use their brutal war of aggression against ukraine to destroy organizations that rely on peaceful coexistence and cooperation, and we will not allow this to happen

by creating obstacles, they tried to dry up the osce financially, we countered this with voluntary financial contributions and resources, including from mute we have allocated 21 million euros until 2023 so that the osce can continue to function not only technically, but also to carry out its important work on the ground for 1.3 billion people. well, anna lena burbok, mr. oleksandr, said that it seems that what is not being talked about publicly is that russia's contribution to international organizations is quite high, both in the osce and in the un and in others and in unicef and here the question is that the majority of those who manage these organizations obviously perceive russia as one of the fi- financiers of these organizations, where, and where are principles, principles, finance - this is good, and principles, but to shake hands with him, and talk

about the fact that russia is a participant, or there, to look for routes, as the plane is supposed to fly from lavrov and with zakharova, zakharo was not allowed through the territory of bulgaria, well, that is, a lot of questions arise, that's for sure, but you know, in addition to principles, you can also be guided by interests, because the world is arranged that way, sometimes principles can take a back seat, and in this sensei, i would say from this point of view, look, in the sbs, well, at first it was a meeting on security issues for europe, and then it turned into an organization, it was extraordinary: a document from the year 75, it is the helztsin final act, which said that it is not possible to intervene in the internal affairs of sovereign states, that by force one cannot change borders and so on. when it was signed, mr. bryzhnev, he no longer wanted to spread the communist revolution, he needed

to fix the borders of the soviet union. now we have the russian federation, which is a revisionist power, that is, it destroys all that, was created from 45, and then as a new reality from 91, and that is why there is no point even talking with them in such and such platforms , since it is also the essence of russian foreign policy, this is an absolute contradiction to what was signed by the soviet union, and then russia, as the legal successor, took us over, and i am not talking about the rule of law, but about other principles on which international relations are built. therefore, of course, it would be better to isolate such a country, not to give the opportunity to engage in propaganda and show that until they return to acceptable behavior in international society, what should they do in such a society based on rules, even though

b on the principles, there is no sense, and of course, that mr. minister, she said clearly and correctly things, she said about funding, and thus in fact, wants to extend the activities of this organization, but by and large, this organization has survived itself, i i'm not saying that we should go out with her, but we just need to rethink what she can do. well, obviously, in the place of this organization, which is the organization of the united nations, other organizations may arise, this has already been proven by time and we have seen how all these international organizations are reborn, very short question, short answer , i hope, mr. oleksandr, will we not see further rehabilitation of russian politicians and diplomats in international organizations, and will this not become the hand that. how they will deliver to the bloody dictator putin.

well, i think that russia will try to legitimize itself in such formats, but i don't think that as long as ukraine has this support in terms of, as it is called, how much help is needed, then, let's say, it is illogical to invite russia right now, because it is not changed his behavior, as soon as there will be problems on the battlefield, i hope this will not happen, from our side, as soon as russia is, let's say, ready to end the war, then an opportunity will open for, let's say, dialogue in different platforms, for now i think that the event will not go to the opening of this channel, to invite russian diplomats to such forums. thank you, mr. oleksandr, it was diplomat oleksandr khara, and i remind you, friends, that we are working, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on ours. platforms on youtube and facebook, today we we are conducting a poll, we are asking you about whether the ukrainian government is showing unity today, let's look at the interim

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rudenko, today i am in the program. the showdowns in ukraine as political disagreements will push the west to make concessions to putin, a time of patience and trust, what a dangerous effort to make with a meritorious politician, who does it and why, get rid of bribers, how to finally fight corruption in ukraine? friends, during our evening today, we are conducting a survey, we are asking you about whether the ukrainian government is demonstrating unity today, yes, no, please vote on youtube, everything is very simple, two functions, yes, no, or write your comment under with this video, if you are watching us on tv now telecast, pick up the phone and vote on the number 0800-211-381, if you see that the ukrainian government is showing unity and not, 0800 211-382.

call, all calls to these numbers are free, at the end of the program... we will sum up the results of this vote, today the guest of the verdict is andriy asatchuk, people's deputy of ukraine, the voice faction. mr. andrii, i congratulate you, i am glad to see you. good evening, each other. serhiy taran, deputy of the kyiv council of the european solidarity faction. mr. sergey, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast today. thank you, i am a political scientist, i am no longer a deputy of the kyiv city council, i submitted my credentials in connection with my work to an international organization, then i congratulate political scientist serhiy taran and is no longer a deputy of the kyiv city council, and we are waiting for the inclusion of maria ionova, a people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity faction, she will join our broadcast later, so gentlemen, in the format of a blitzopytuvanny, let's try to answer the rather simple question that we are asking our tv viewers, is the ukrainian government demonstrating unity, and today, mr.

serhiy, i have your word, you know, at the beginning of the war, the government assembled a government of national trust, concluded a pact with all political forces on national unity, invited them to take a joint the responsibility of all political forces for the defense of the country, then we would see more political unity now, if instead of the national, as the so-called single marathon, where political censorship is introduced, we saw censorship that extends to the exception of military information, as it is, for example, in israel, where there is censorship during wartime, but this censorship applies exclusively to military, sensitive information and has nothing to do with political censorship. so, if our government had followed this path, we would now have a political one unity, because there would be joint political responsibility of the forces that could directly discuss their problems with freedom of speech