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because a person can reveal his potential and benefit as much as possible in the defense of the homeland, this is such an important decision and he makes it independently, but i believe that everyone needs to decide where he is going wants to move and in which country he wants to live, for example, in our group, many people doubted whether to go, not to go, they were mobilized, but when they came here, when they came combat coordination, when they learned thanks to our instructors, revealed their potential, they are already completely different people, they are already much more motivated people, much more... already professional soldiers who can protect both themselves and their comrades, and this opens up a lot human qualities in a person, because 24 hours a day he walks on the edge and tests himself, welcome to

the espresso channel, today in our military program we will talk about how our defense companies develop, test and supply the armed forces and defense forces of ukraine, certain models of weapons and military equipment, because the ministry of defense itself, as the main customer, announced that from november 1, rules will apply that allow the troops to receive new weapons faster, because the ministry of defense canceled, as they say, certain excessive testing of weapons, which are not related to the confirmation of its boz... reduced a certain number of inspections at various stages of production, simplified the requirements for the supply of weapons and equipment to the troops. what does it affect, how does it work in practice, did it become easier for manufacturers in the new conditions? all that we will try to detail it in conversations with

representatives and managers of a number of defense industrial companies and enterprises. my name is serhii sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with the preso channel, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of our defense industrial companies and the armed forces in general, and now we have the first guest joining us, we are in touch with bohdan petriv, acting chief designer of the ukrainian armored vehicles company. mr. bohdan, congratulations you are on the espresso channel. good afternoon, thank you for the invitation. and i would like you to tell me first, exactly how these, relatively speaking, weakened procedures. tests affect what is happening now in your company, because i know that now your new model of technology, the new novator machine is undergoing state tests, and usually such state tests, it was such a top challenge for developers, well, it is important , it of course, it is not enough for the customer,

so what is happening now with your engine room, which is being tested in practice in compared to the past, what are the interim results? well, i would like to start... with the fact that although it was stated that the changes were made from november 1, in fact they were made by the cabin decision from november 21, and given to us as manufacturers from november 26, that is, it is still a process and we do not know , how it will actually be implemented, for our part, we are going through two non-state tests with innovator, we are conducting our internal preliminary tests, but we have invited representatives of all orders. whatever is possible, it is the national police, it is ngu, it is the representatives of the ministry of defense, various structures, to show and conduct tests, as close as possible to operational conditions, and so that all these tests passed with the customers, and they could give their assessment of this and confirm what we will show and receive at

the tests, we have two innovators types of basic tests are passability and speed tests, economy. dynamism, as well as this shooting test, we have already passed the passability, passability, dynamism, economy, checked, the sample showed itself very well, even a little better than we planned, we got again a maximum speed of 135 km/h, which is a very high figure for a machine that has increased its mass and carries 10 fighters, on which a module 12 is installed, well with a 12.7 machine gun , that is, it's good because we've raised it, changed the suspension, improved it and got good results on roadability , checked roll, cornering, everything meets the requirements, we're doing shooting tests now, they took place this week, we checked one of the two modules that

we are using this sample as long as everything meets our expectations, and we hope that next week we will complete these tests, prepare all the documents... acts and protocols, we will provide them to the ministry of defense, and the ministry of defense will not have additional questions, this will be enough for them volume of documents in order to make a decision and allow... this prototype into operation, uh, now that would mean that after they accept these documents, that would mean that the ministry of defense and other law enforcement agencies could in principle already now order this machine and in this way you will be able to form a package of orders and loading of your enterprise in a certain way, is that how it looks? er, that's right, we hope that the ministry of defense will be able to verify all these results by december 20, so that from january 1 we have already concluded state contracts and will be able to manufacture this modification of the car as planned for next year. and mr. bohdan, you

mentioned that shooting tests are also being conducted, that is, the characteristics of this module of yours are actually being checked, which as i i understand, this is an original development, which is aimed at having certain, let’s say , mass-dimensional indicators and a certain firepower, what kind of module is it, what kind of weapon can it be equipped with, what are the general technical characteristics, uh, well, look, we now we use two modules. one module is in joint development with our partner, we have already used it on the five-seat version, now we have made some improvements based on the results of operation and we want to present it in the best possible version so that there are no more questions, there well, to finalize all the small shortcomings and nuances, this is a unified module that allows you to use all machine guns of 12.7 caliber and dshk, and nsvt and browning, and

also allows you to install your ags base, eh, and well, it will be possible, we that this was not done by mk, if we take the samples, well, the combat ones, well, it allows you to fire at 360°, at angles of 75° at a height of -10, that is, it gives a full range of work, well, and the technical, well, combat characteristics still depend on the collet that we receive. browning is one thing, dshk is a little different. also we we present a foreign module, which we have already supplied to our armed forces, we want to test it also in combat work on this particular machine, in this particular configuration, whether it will not affect any dynamic characteristics when driving and how it will behave, will be kept, the target and how it all happens, you can shoot on the move, you can’t

, what speeds are needed for this shooting, right now we are carrying out these works, well, we hope that there will be positive results and we will be able to deliver these samples to the troops immediately, so that in the troops did not have time to prepare , rearrange, so we will do it, they installed, left and work as clearly as possible, sir, but who are the potential, who who will be the first users of your new innovator, which units, which are related types of troops, etc. - well, we hope that everyone will join, but to be honest, knowing and working and having experience working with customers, i think that after all it will be the national guard of ukraine, they are the most flexible, the fastest, perceive new technology, so i think we will deliver the first samples anyway national guard of ukraine, they have experience working both with our modules and with our five-seater cars. they take an active part in the tests, representatives of various parts came to the tests,

the test, and they were in the car and checked its characteristics, so i think that the national guard will be the first to order and we hope for a fairly large batch so that we could deliver them there during the year, a large number of cars, and do they plan to, is your company, is there a request from of the military, if only such machines... were still equipped with means of combating fpv-drones there, that is, these rebkomplekts, which make it impossible to target drones with these or other machines? eh, let's say so, very often we are approached by military personnel from the combat zone with such questions, frankly, this is not our profile, but we always follow the new developments that are available in ukraine, there are several... options of good puppets reb, we, we are currently cooperating with the

kyiv company kvertus, we hope that they will succeed a good sample, and we will be able to install it on our car, and we will offer such a solution based on the results of the tests, and we hope that the armed forces will take it directly from the factory, so that it does not happen some kind of work in the field, when our military is forced to get a car separately, separately to get... some rap and then figure out how to install it better or worse, but so far, we haven't implemented these bathing rebs on our zaraces, you said that if everything is... well, everything will be fine , then you plan to deliver a significant number of these machines next year, to potential users, do i mean that you have probably already planned in advance, or maybe even made the purchase of individual components that will really speed up the assembly of this machine later, well, look, there are two components here, the first - we have long we work on the market and we

have worked out cooperation on these issues, and we have previously worked with all... companies, realizing that our sample is already entering the final stage, we have worked out these issues, prepared and are trying to get a quick delivery, but there are certain bureaucratic norms, we cannot, well, when we import a sample, we have to clear it through customs, we have to pay vat and so on, this is not taken into account when we are charged for calculation materials, because there is a discount that is granted for military equipment, for this we need to obtain a state contract, therefore we expect that on january 1 we will receive a state contract, we will be able to deliver a large number of components to the state contract in accordance with this state contract and then deliver by weight so that there are no questions in the calculation, so that and the cost of the equipment itself did not increase, or so that it would not be in the minus of our company,

because, well, that is, actually, when we talk about cost, components, when we talk about simplifying procedures, then i understand, for sure. these things must be taken into account by our authorities, because if the company has the opportunity to purchase in advance, then it is the same, probably, well , it should be optimally taken into account so that, well , the production process does not slow down later, as i understand it, i think that there is some truth here , but the state decided that it simplified the procedure after introducing these benefits, and i don't know, this question is quite complex, and i'm not sure that i can directly evaluate it, because it is possible. then the state sees that some companies can use it improperly , so they don't want to further simplify these procedures there, although a company like ours, which has a lot of experience, we supply a very large number of products, can make some separate list of companies, since it is allocated for the import, export, well, military products, maybe it really simplified,

accelerated and we could use our having taken the funds abroad, without getting any time, understanding that we will buy the product. because also, we cannot withdraw funds abroad, we have to confirm that we are using it there in fulfillment of some contract. and mr. bohdan, taking this opportunity, i cannot but ask about an extremely interesting question that has caught the attention of experts and the military there, which is that your company, well , announced its readiness with partners to produce an infantry fighting vehicle for the needs of the armed forces, and then planned silence, so it's interesting, na at what stage... are we now , do you expect the ministry of defense to announce a tender, or are there already certain, let's say, indicators there, or packages from certain competing companies that have already been transferred to the ministry of defense, that is, at what stage now is this whole story? uh, let's say this, first of all, we made an offer from the ministry of defense and it is quite profitable, i would say financially,

it is probably the best, well, to the extreme, from those that we know, but since the publication of the news, there has been a certain, certain opposition our as i understand it, the russians , friends, so-called, that is why we would like this not to arise much in the information space, we are working, we are currently finishing certain technical issues, in terms of production, we are also working out certain negotiating positions, i think that we we are implementing the project and i hope that it will be in the near future, well, but there are some... certain delays, er, there is a lack of a need fully formed in the ministry of defense, but i think that a few of their meetings, and this issue will also be resolved , and as soon as we establish cooperation and will be serial to do, we will inform you, present samples , invite you for testing, well , it will probably be a long wait, i hope that it will be much faster, and that is, what is your

vision in general, that is, this bmp because there are competitive offers from other companies, your parameters first of all, the price, or we say, we say comprehensively, that both the assembly there, and the optional one or another machine, it will fully satisfy the needs of the armed forces. uh, look, we know the technical requirements for machines of this type, because we developed our concepts for this, well, bmp, and we understand that want the military, on the other hand, our solution has two advantages: firstly, it is time, we already have ready-made samples, there is a ready-built system that we can implement as quickly as possible and quickly... deliver products, now the speed is more an important factor than money, because time delays us, we have several

tens of units ready there, ready and several tens of units that we can quickly implement and hand over to the armed forces of ukraine, plus the price is also quite good, and from the point of view of installation and modifications, well, that's the question already... the use must be seen concretely, some units may want to change something, but ukrainian armored vehicles are quite sensitive to such requests and we are trying to speed up, unify, do some things as much as possible, that is, with machine guns, for example, when we unified the lodge, we did for all types, well, we are like that, we developed certain solutions for btr13, they were also unified and allowed to make several options for new turrets without making any drastic changes, in general a modular approach before production, we consider it the most correct , we need to make a base, we need to make modules and

quickly replace it, this allows us to use a smaller number of base cars, less time for training and only specialized training on that type of reb, rgb defense, air defense system, atrk, that is, this approach, we also use it on the innovator. and mr. bohdan, there are no specific, let’s say, reservations from the military, that relatively speaking, we have bradley, marder, siv 90 there, another one will appear there, bmp, which used to be in combat order there was not used, whether or not this is a deterrent to making a decision in favor of your proposals, i think that this is not a deterrent, because now the armed forces, the armed forces of ukraine have an incredibly great need, and this large number of nomenclature, which you mentioned, this is really a problem for repair units, i think they are holding their heads, plus combat planning, different vehicles have different

characteristics, and this has to be taken into account by the commanders and this is an additional serious burden on the commanders, because they have to know thh the maximum number of cars , samples, but in this case i think that we have no choice, we have to do it, yes it is from the zoo, as some people call it, but we need equipment, we need a lot of equipment, a lot of equipment is not made in such and such quantities, general zauzhnyi last year asked for 600 units, tanks, but we did not receive such a large number at one time, because it is simply not available anywhere, so i think that diversity does not affect it, speed and money do, well, i will ask a tricky question, you can. .. not to answer, or we can talk about the fact that your potential in the alliance with the partners there allows you, well , after the decision is made there to put at least 100 bmps there during the year, could

this be the case? yes, it is realistic, it is quite a realistic goal, we planned a little even more, not much, well, somewhere in such areas, well, thank you very much for such an answer, and then we will move on to other projects of your company, now the issue of you is also being discussed. ... the use of various robotic platforms, the figures there spoke about the fact that there are about five dozen certain, let's say , tests or demonstrations of the platforms took place there, and i know that your company, here at the arma bezpeka exhibition, literally there before the beginning of the russian invasion, at the navodi site, showed its robotic platform, which, in principle, was made in cooperation with foreign partners, there are chileans, i do not know the details of the current status of this project, will the company work in this direction? uh, well, we really presented such a project, uh, it's more of our development

foreign partners, we simply presented it on our market with certain modifications already with our understanding, now we have given this sample to the armed forces and it is working properly, we are collecting information about how it is used, because under...' codes to robotic platforms are very diverse, different departments see them differently, the requirements for them are diverse, that is why i think the ministry of digital design calls a huge number of robotic platforms, because sometimes everyone calls them robotic platforms, but each has its own purpose, have their own function and they are different , it is even difficult to compare them, which is for what and on what basis, to make some basic, well, as far as i know, so far it has not been possible, we want to collect the experience that our military will have, and on the basis of this experience already communicating with partners, we will either finish the samples here on the spot, or we will ask our

partners to produce cero, well, in-house and supply already then the batches that will be ready to buy the military that will help them fulfill their tasks, mr. bohdan, like me understand, this platform that is transferred military, it is amphibious, that is, it can actually move and steer, and it , as i understand, already has a control channel for this machine room completed there, and maybe even with the adaptation of certain types of weapons, or are our soldiers using this platform without weapons yet? it is amphibious. indeed, but it is without weapons , there is a place to install weapons, and it can be used , it is possible to use it as a platform for weapons, but for now it is used a little differently, they have their own ideas, although there are options with weapons, well, but not yet used, we don't know yet, but i think that in some time they will install weapons and we will get an answer to the question of how it works, when there are installed weapons and which weapons are better to install,

is it some kind of machine gun, or is this weapon, what will it be to destroy tanks there, well, in any case, the control system of this platform is conventionally worked out, it really works, because why am i asking, yesterday i had a conversation with the developer of one of the platforms, and he says that we have made a robotic system there sherpa, that is, she can do the same to swim, but says that there is a problem with management, because in difficult climatic conditions in difficult conditions it is difficult to provide... a control channel, that is, you have worked out this solution and it is, in principle, as i understand, really working? yes , of course, it has been worked out, well, this is, let's say, a certain advantage of our foreign partners, in that they started working with it earlier, and got results earlier, so we with the bpa, our representatives have certain problems, because everyone began to engage in bpa, but there is no such accumulated experience,

therefore... is a fairly progressive company that started doing this much earlier and they have a pretty good quality product that they produce, and the rest have to learn from the wheels and stuff these bumps and make these mistakes, well, we hope that ours will too representatives will be able to make such robotic platforms that will be competitive, the main thing is that they help our armed forces, absolutely true, absolutely true, now your company supplies the armed forces with a rather significant list of equipment in various sectors, it in particular, there are armored vehicles and mortars and ammunition, but if you can compare, which of the segments brings the most contracts for your company and which is the most difficult to implement? well, let's start with the implementation

of the difficulties, here... here, each direction has its own problems that we faced. if we take mortars, then due to the aggression we had to lose the production where we manufactured mortars and we had to completely redo it from scratch, but the truth is that in the cooperation we were able to find people who could to perform these works, and we spent a lot of time both on finding these works and on conducting qualifications. the resolution on mass production of this product was a problematic situation, so we delayed it a little, but we implemented the mortar and now we are making it in fairly large quantities, we are producing, if we are talking about armored vehicles, then the biggest problem was the distraction and the transfer of production, we try not to keep one, well, different types

of production in one place, so that in... impact less damage was done, it also took some time for the relocation, certain organizational problems, but we basically coped with them, so, as you can see, we presented a new model, we are mass-producing the innovator, we are making armored cabins for bohdan’s sau, also already in mass production, we are producing quite good large batches, we hope that this contract will be very important for our state and that we will also be able to stably produce one next year. a large amount of data. as for ammunition, the situation is slightly different here, in fact, they provide ammunition the largest segment of ours, our contracts, because a huge amount of ammunition is needed, regardless of production, and the state is ready to take them in simply incredible quantities, we have many foreign contracts, we have cooperation with