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the israeli defense is continuing a massive operation, you know that in the gas sector it is divided in half, and in the north separately, and in the south , there is a block-by-block cleanup operation, and this is done very slowly, precisely in order to avoid civilian deaths, today news agencies reported that russian- made rockets were found among the humanitarian aid, but this information is currently being verified. but it is absolutely certain that without further verification by the israelis of the humanitarian aid that is delivered through egypt to the gas sector, apparently, in the future humanitarian aid will simply not be delivered, and today the exchange has started again, not an exchange, sorry, but the exit of foreigners from the gas sector, today quite a large number...'
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americans, germans, canadians, russians, and a few more citizens of several nationalities who left through the rafah checkpoint to egypt, we sent another group to evacuate ukrainians, and i hope that this week we will carry out the final evacuation, that is, we now have on the list an additional 46 people whom we are ready to withdraw, we are trying to coordinate and carry out the final evacuation as quickly as possible. i remind you that we have already deported 259 people, and of these 259, 172 people successfully arrived in ukraine, the rest decided to stay either in egypt or to go to other arab countries or europe on their own. please tell me, mr. yevgeny, how do you think israeli society has changed in terms of attitudes toward russia and ukraine in 57 days? well, you
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know, the question is difficult, because in my opinion, israeli society was pro-ukrainian even before this war, and the fact that ukraine showed its support for unity, it may have strengthened the feeling of friendship and solidarity with the people of ukraine in israel, but we had no problems with israel, with israeli citizens, from the very first day of the war, everyone clearly understood who was an enemy, who was a friend , we have always had a problem with the government, and to a certain extent the problem remains, because uh, we hear from washington, uh, clear messages that the war in ukraine and the war in israel are a war on terrorism, and washington does not separate these two wars, he on the contrary, it unites them, and in the same way you see what has been submitted to congress. and in one document
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a proposal to provide financial assistance to ukraine to israel, the israeli government is trying to be quite careful here, and of course, attention to them to a certain extent distracts the public's attention from the war in ukraine, therefore, negotiations at the highest level do not stop here, no no per day, coordination: it is also happening quite seriously, i hope that at the level of the highest political leadership of the state , a visit will still take place in the near future, but you you know that there were such attempts, and these attempts, unfortunately, were unsuccessful not because the ukrainian side did not want to send such visits to the country -
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to support or express solidarity with the people of israel. and have you seen such a discussion in the ukrainian expert environment that the president should not go to israel at all, because it will worsen our position in the global south, they will not support us, that this visit is generally the result of almost there personal emotions of zelenskyi, i read such text, well, mr. vitaly, you are provoking me, because you are you understand that as a civil servant, i am limited... to a certain extent in commenting and saying what i personally think about this matter, but certainly, as an ambassador to israel, i believe that this would only be a positive and a plus, but my colleagues who are currently working in arab countries probably don't think so, it's another matter if we take teresa and put the help that we will receive from the united states together with israel, and whether this help. whether
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it will be faster, for example, if such a visit takes place, it is not for me to answer, or rather to my colleague in my colleague in washington, but, well, i see a plus in this situation, but again, it depends on which side you look at this problem, and the behavior of this or that comment of the commentator or political scientist or politician is conditional, it depends on which chair he sits in, however, that is why someone believes that supporting israel will give the arab countries the opportunity to turn away from ukraine, i personally do not think so, especially in the situation in which we found ourselves, and relatively speaking, those the same problems, the same trouble as in ukrainian land came, almost two years ago, now it is very sensuous eh, it is perceived by israelis, eh,
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i was provoked by israeli journalists this week and they say, listen, you are the only, if not the only country in the world, in which there were no pro-palestinian rallies, that what do you do with it? how did it happen? i say: listen , this, you have the police so actively forbid their holding, i say and no, it's just that our citizens felt the same, on their skin, what you feel now, almost two years ago, so we understand that with terrorism it is necessary to act absolutely unambiguously, clearly and in no case to agree with terrorists, eh, that's why no one probably had any idea about holding pro-palestinian rallies in ukraine, and people understand this. people understand this very well, again, i say all the time during my work that we have a problem not with people, we have a problem with the government, and to a large extent it is the wishes of the ukrainian side at the beginning of the war, israel
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comes to meet us and to a large extent our cooperation since the beginning of the war in israel has become more active and sincere, i believe in it, and i believe that we it will be possible to achieve an even greater conditional breakthrough in our relations, so that every person does not have any problems at all, which side israel is on, it does not sit on the fence, it is clearly on the side of ukraine. thank you, mr. yevgeny, ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to israel, and we will break for a few minutes, but please stay with us. laughter, physical activity, sneezing, during such a small load, urinary incontinence can give about feminost uro helped me to know myself. thanks to its natural ingredients, feminost uro helps restore control over urination both day and night. feminost uro - urination under control. ask at pharmacies, buy with a 10% discount at
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ex-secretary of state, in fact, a person of great character, there were a lot of reflections on this matter among ukrainians on the internet, some believe. that this is a person who, in principle, was the personification of the epoch, some believe that this is a person who nurtured the chinese people. the public in the format in which it exists now, i will be honest, i have read only one book by henry kissinger, i am not familiar with his work to a greater extent, but mr. vitaly, it seems to me that you have exactly something to say about this, i i just remembered when i was i was a little boy, well, a schoolboy, and we were vacationing with my parents in jurmala, and among our friends there, with whom we communicated, was a well-known colleague of my mother, a well-known moscow lawyer, and he communicated with me there, well, he communicates with the children, there they are talking about... he said, oh, you have to cooperate with academician georgy arbatov, he was the director of the institute of the usa and
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canada, an academician of the soviet union, who was one of the architects of this brizhnivan meeting in 1972 and such a founder of russia's soviet foreign policy , in i saw a doctor, and then years passed, and this moscow lawyer, like many people, well, he is a famous person, moved to the united states, lived there for the last decades of his life, and i somehow met him. already in the former soviet union, and he tells me: oh, vitaly, i understood that you should not have worked with arbativ with henry kissinger, i tell him, it is the same person, okay, okay, because this is the same person, arbatov, kissinger, this is the personification of cynicism in politics, just from one side and from the other, very similar people, even external, and i honestly never, i read kissinger's books, he claimed to be there teleline, metternich,
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wrote diplomacy, i'm not sure that diplomacy is a rejection of values, uh, there is a difference, metternich was political, a player who always defended his conservative values. teleiran was a kinsenger, it didn't matter to him what to defend, only to win, he perceived politics as a chess game, kissenger also, in principle, i have an impression, a very serious one, that left an imprint on his personality his, teenage years in germany, that he was formed in the era of totalitarianism in fact, and then america could not change it, i thought about it, but not like that. when exactly he died , that i always wondered, we just talked with mr. yevgeny, in the 90s,
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i wondered how israel would change when so many people from the soviet union came, who did not even know what democracy was political culture, who are used to living in this black and white world, as the party will say, as the party will say, and it can be either way or so, there are no half-tones, and how will they meet people who grew up in a completely different political culture, as far as who will change them israel, whether they are israel, both happened. i see israel as completely different over the years that i was there for the first time, when i was there in the 90s, simply beyond recognition , such a state that i saw no longer exists, and all of us who have seen it know that it does not exist. but israel also changed them to a certain extent, i am not talking about their children and grandchildren, kissenjar, america also changed very much, but he changed america so much, because no one else could, because this is the idea that we have...' just to protect our interests and
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it doesn't matter if we protect any values ​​or not, you know, the famous a phrase that was now mentioned in israel when kissinger died, that when they were talking about this détente with the soviet union and kissinger, most of whose relatives died in gas chambers, uh, concentration camps, when he was asked what would happen to the soviet jews, he said , listen, if even... the soviet union of all soviet jews will lead to the gas chambers, this is not an american problem, this is a humanitarian problem, our problem, the problem of disarmament with the soviet union, this is the credo, it was never different when even he was engaged in humanitarian problems, then only if used as a tool of influence, and i believe , that this is not a consequence, that this is not an american approach to politics, but a european approach to politics in the 1930s, that he was fascinated , you understand, when you see the marches of communists and national socialists as a boy, they
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become ingrained in you head, that's a lot it's hard to extricate yourself. the legacy is absolutely tragic, but kissinger's main achievement, which he always considered part of his accomplishments, is the end of the vietnam war. ugh, kissinger signed the '73 deal. about the cease-fire and the status quo and the withdrawal of american troops. in 1975, it ended with the collapse of the republic of south vietnam under the pressure of the communists. fissager was very unhappy, he wanted to return it. his nobel prize, but it was reflected in american positions around the world, it is a disaster that we still feel it, we feel it now, but now during the russo-ukrainian war we feel it, russia wants to play exactly the same gambit that the member of the politburo of the central committee of vietnam and secretary of the central committee of vietnam, comrade ledekho played with kissinger then, and we must to say that as a decent man
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, more decent than kissinger, because lidaho was a dogmatist, he did not take the nobel prize because he knew what would come, but because he did not seem to understand that he was being deceived, one moment, 72 kissinger drags on for the year before nixon's death, a meeting with maut zadun agreed on the recognition of the people's republic of china. i want to remind you that until that time, the united states recognized the government in taiwan as the government of the republic of china. this government held a seat on the un security council and enjoyed the full support of the united states. kitonger suddenly had an absolutely idiotic idea. that he would be able to use china in the fight against the soviet union and force the soviet union to make concessions. mao zedong, the united states recognized the prc. the people's republic of china became a member of the un security council. mao zedong died four years later. if we had not had kissenjar, in 1976 the erosion of china with an internationally unrecognized government would have begun.
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ugh. in 1991, there were five democratic states in the un security council. taiwan, yeltsin's russian federation, the united states, great britain, france, we would have the opportunity to change the world in such a way that now nothing that was there would be. the world lost, thanks to kinzher, a huge chance for a normal life, it's a disaster, a disaster, you just had to wait four years, they'll say, you still need china. you admit maybe, but then a new leadership would come, densipin, who would like normalization with the united states, who would need to economically change china, not china - a member of the un security council and a great power, not a recognized china, not recognized by the civilized world, and political concessions on the part of the leadership of the communist party could
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be huge, and because they would very much like to get into the un, to become an internationally recognized government, we do not know at all what china would be like if this happened, if this meeting of presidents, the president the united states and the head of the chinese communist party, but kissinger did not realize until the last day of his life in the capital that he had made a huge mistake. the third mistake, it may have burned, the third mistake, the meeting between nixon and brezhnev, the beginning. sporadic international tensions, 1972, and 1979, the war in afghanistan, the detente ended in complete failure, and already ronald reagan had to restrain the soviet union, due to the start of such an arms race, which led to real
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results only for one simple reason, because brizhniv died and an era of chaos began in the soviet and finally the new leaders of the soviet union made a fatal mistake when they realized that they decided that what they needed was not economic reforms, but democratization of the country, and so the united states managed to get out of this mess that was thrust upon them during kissengar's tenure as us secretary of state and national security advisor. there are actually three strangleholds on the neck of the united states: vietnam, china, and. russia, which is still strangling american politics and us everyone, and in general, a person is absolutely extraordinary, a genius, with a brilliant mind , simply destructive, now the question arises, why are they all looking at him with such delight, because it corresponded to the idea of
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​​americans that a politician should only care about national interests , which is external, for any. that foreign policy must be subservient to that and anyone who thinks otherwise cannot be part of that establishment, so mike pompeo and anthony blinken talk about kissenger in one word, and that's a huge tragedy of the american political elite, it must be said right away, the misunderstanding of this role, i do not want to say that kytsend was some kind of devil, but it seems to me that infatuation with evil is the most dangerous thing. what can be in politics at all, and another very important point that i always think about is that kissinger liked that he was very quick to grasp the moment. well, that is, he was the first to understand what they did not have time to understand. ugh, this is the quality of the european mind, if you will, there is a person who knew europe
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better than his american colleagues, madeline albert also, thanks to her european experience, realized the change of processes faster than people who grew up in america, antony blinke is like that, as you can see, he also has roots from the european continent, just kissinger knew the west better. madeline norbert is the center and anthony blinken is the east , these are different things, and this is the center of the east of europe, i mean, and here's what's interesting, what you see, kissedzhka said: "no, ukraine should in no way be a member of nato, before his death said: "must be". i meant that if it is not a member of nato, no, therefore we will not have a war with russia, if there is already a war with russia, why not take it into nato? that is, it is not a valuable moment, it is a moment of ensuring interest. and i think, after all, how... a person with such a sharp mind, with such an understanding of the moment, would be guided by values, whatever results he could achieve, because
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kissinger was in big politics for only a few years, that's a short time, richard nixon's presidency, uh, and gerald ford's presidency, the people we talked about, talirans or minikhs were in the highest positions for 50 years, and kissenger changed the world. unrecognizable over the years, all the people involved in american politics before that were either romantics or isolationists, but all followed principles, kissinger showed that diplomacy could be unprincipled, and since then it has never been different anywhere, this kissenger book is diplomacy, it's not a hymn to unprincipledness, i don't know if i understood... at the time, what he 's doing in each of those three points that you just said, he's snarled around the neck of the united states states, i think he did not understand, he understood that
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what he was deciding was not far off, he believed that he was ending a war in an area unpopular in america, which would have cost nixon a second term, nixon was re-elected, however, he believed that he was putting serious problems, the upset of the soviet union, a new mutual understanding, washington and leaving. the moment of the most acute confrontation between the united states and the ussr, china and the ussr, and he believed that if the soviet union was afraid of this alliance and was ready to detente, well, and in this way he creates opportunities for coexistence with the soviet union, these are simple instrumental things, okay, and if, if we are talking about the fact that the disarmament of russia was at a certain point. of kissinger's political life is more important to him than some other fundamental value points, and he saw this as cynicism, so it is a practical,
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disarmed, well, just a reduction of the nuclear potential, and it doesn't matter at what cost, because this is the most important thing, we are going exactly to this, is the era of realpolitik going into the past along with kissinger, isn't that what the whole civilized world is doing now, i thought about it today, when i was analyzing president zelenskyi’s speech to the associated press, the one where he says that we did not have enough help from the west to succeed in a counteroffensive, basically the same thing was said by our commander-in-chief, valery zaluzhnyi, i am told about this american, everyone is talking about it, we did not get enough to go on the offensive in a cool and powerful way and achieve some very ambitious goals. and so this is the insufficiency of the resources provided to us, it is not... the brevity of the event after all, or a conscious approach? a conscious approach, of course, is a desire to create an alliance, to disarm russia and
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to prevent the creation of conditions for a nuclear war, this is a real policy and is, we strongly support ukraine, we believe that international law is important, that the territorial integrity of ukraine is important, but there is a balance between these interests , nuclear war, and by the way , kissinger, who said, no, accept them in nato, he has already gone further in real politics, because he understood. that russia will not change its position anyway, that you will not be able to convince it, so act, come more decisively, well, it was the same story that, by the way, when nixon and kissinger were discussing arms to israel one day, you know the story when kissinger said that he would give israel a limited number of planes, and nixon eugenlin, listen, if you give even one plane, you will no longer be a friend of the arab world, so give them as much as they need, because there is no ... matter, and it is strange that, and this is also cynicism, because you can either not give, and then have good ones
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relations with the arabs, or give as much. how much does it take for israel to defeat them and be with the winner, and to give in such a way as to give and at the same time not quarrel with the opposite side, strongly, it does not work, because the opposite side still considers you an enemy, and they will consider yourself as a friend, and that you will not help her enemy, and this is what the west must realize when it comes to the russian-ukrainian war, and that real politics, it continues, is what we discussed with pavel klimkin , that's a trip lavrov to the session, for the first time, sorry, since february 22nd, at this level, foreign ministers are meeting with their russian counterparts. well, they almost never met, it was just that lavrov wanted to come there, they had a simple choice, either the osce stops working, or they fulfill lavrovsky's request, and here the question is that the council of europe lived in the same regime from 14 to 2022 , they tried all the time to persuade russia to do something, lifted sanctions from them. they said that
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we need a dialogue, what they are saying now in the osce, we need a dialogue, at least some kind, and they have to pay money into the organization, and we need to elect a new general secretary, and they will block this, block this, and our deputies shouted, remember this whole story, and this, and in the end they did everything right, as they believed, the sanctions were canceled, the very possibility of introducing sanctions against the delegation of a specific country was canceled, russia was returned, money for the budget was received. formed the leadership, everything was great, only then once and barely they completed this whole process, russia attacked ukraine and managed to exclude it, and the question arises , why did you eat it, you can say from a known substance and did not get anything, you could immediately exclude it in the 14th year and not worry about it, the same thing, i am sure, that it will cease to exist if russia remains as it is, well, it will be
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next. lavrov will want to come to malta with his saxophone, sakhvayaz , to take something else, he will also blackmail, the government of malta will again agree on some kind of flight, russia will again not give the opportunity to elect a new chairman, it will happen every sometimes now, just paralysis, just paralysis, so why, well, the actual existence of this then, they could exclude russia, but they can't , because. a country can be excluded only if everyone else agrees, everyone else - that means belarus, or the countries of central asia or hungary or someone else, they will not agree in the current situation, so they cannot exclude it, but exist, create some new organization without russia , as suggested by dmytro koleba, there is no point, because if you announce that you will create a new organization, it will parliamentary assembly of the council of europe,
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the same participants will be there. oh , let's go further, because actually there were a lot of important events this week, it seems to me that the work of the security service of ukraine is particularly interesting, according to some information, it is the security service of ukraine, so far we cannot talk about it, because there are only such optical data, the situation on the baikal-amur, this main road, can play quite an interesting role and some of the analysts believe that they believe that russia will not be complacent for quite a long time, because this branch is quite an important connection between russia and china, two explosions occurred, one was louder, well, first of all, we don't know exactly what was transported there, once, ugh, secondly, we don't know one more thing, in which direction, me too i believe that it is very important when the connection between russia and china breaks through, but we must understand that china is also
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interested in receiving. from russia, and we can consider that this is a signal towards china, because these are problems not only in russian-ukrainian relations, but also ukrainian, chinese, we are undermining the very railway that is important for the chinese people's republic, that is, we are sending a signal to china, we understand that you are our enemies, and we will act so that you also have problems in the economy and in that sector of the economy that is connected with russia, we can say that in this way, the ukrainian authorities clearly set a course for confrontation with the people's republic of china and realize that china is interested in helping russia, because we had very constant hopes that the people's republic of china would say its important word, say its important word, we tried to organize this telephone conversation or some other conversation between the president of ukraine and the head of the people's republic of china , in the end he called, it was a huge achievement, we shied away from any
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contacts with taiwan, god forbid we offend beijing.

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