the aid that is delivered through egypt to the gas sector, apparently, in the future , the humanitarian aid will simply not be delivered, and today the exchange began again, not an exchange, sorry, but the exit of foreigners from the gas sector, today quite a large number of americans, germans, canadians, russians, and a few more citizens of several nationalities who were leaving through the rafah checkpoint to egypt, we sent another group to evacuate ukrainians, and i hope that this week we will carry out the final evacuation, that is, we now on the list of additional 146 people, whom we are ready to withdraw, we are trying to coordinate and finalize them as quickly as possible. i

remind you that we have already deported 259 people, and of these 259 , 172 people successfully arrived in ukraine, the rest decided to stay either in egypt or to go to other arab countries or europe on their own. please tell me, mr. yevgeny, how do you think israeli society has changed in terms of attitudes toward russia and ukraine in 57 days? well, you know, the question is difficult, because in my opinion. israeli society was pro-ukrainian even before this war, and the fact that ukraine showed its support for unity may have strengthened the feeling of friendship and solidarity with the people of ukraine in israel, but we had no problems with israel, with israeli citizens from the very first day of the war, everyone clearly understood who is an enemy , who is a friend, we have always had a problem with the government, and to some extent the problem

remains, since we hear clear messages from washington that the war in ukraine and the war in israel is a war on terrorism, and washington does not separate these two wars, he on the contrary, it unites them, and in the same way you see that a proposal to provide financial assistance to ukraine to israel was submitted to the congress in one document. the israeli government is trying to be quite careful here, and of course, the attention to them to some extent distracts the attention of society from the war in ukraine, therefore, the negotiations at the highest level do not stop here, not for a day, coordination, is happening quite seriously as well, i hope , that at the level of the highest

political leadership of the state , a visit will still take place in the near future, but, you know that there were such attempts, and these attempts , unfortunately, were unsuccessful not because the ukrainian side did not want such visits for the purpose of support, or to express solidarity with the people, and you saw such a discussion in to the ukrainian expert community that the president should not go to israel at all, because it will worsen our position in the global south, they will not support us, that this visit is generally the result of almost there personal emotions of zelskyi, i read such a text, even, well, mr. vitaly , you provoke me because you you understand that as a civil servant, i am limited to a certain extent in commenting and saying what i personally think about this matter, but certainly, as the ambassador to

israel, i believe that this would only be positive and a plus, but my colleagues who work now in the arab countries probably do not think so, it is another matter if we take on teresa and put the aid that we will receive from the united states together with israel, and whether this aid will be strengthened or it will be more, fast , for example, if such a visit takes place, not to me, rather to my colleague, my colleague in washington , but i see a plus in this situation, but again, it depends on which side you look at this problem, and the behavior of this or that comment of a commentator or a political scientist or a politician conditionally depends depending on which chair he sits in, however, that is why some believe that supporting israel

will enable arab countries to turn their backs on ukraine, i personally do not think so, especially in the situation in which we found ourselves and, relatively speaking, the same problems , the same trouble which came to ukrainian land almost two years ago, now it is perceived very sensibly by the israelis, eh, i was provoked by israeli journalists this week and they say, listen, you are the only, if not the only country in the world , in which there were no pro-palestinian rallies, what are you doing about it, how did it happen, i say, listen, you have the police so actively prohibiting them from being held, i say yes... no, it's just that our citizens felt the same, on their skin, what you feel now , almost two years ago, so we understand that with terrorism must be acted upon absolutely unambiguously, clearly and under no circumstances should agreements be made with terrorists, that is why no one probably

had any idea about holding pro-palestinian rallies in ukraine, and people understand this, people understand this perfectly, again, i am always during of my work, i say that our problem is not with the people, we have a problem with the government, and to a large extent, the desires that were the ukrainian side at the beginning of the war, israel is coming to meet us, and to a large extent, our cooperation with the beginning of the war in israel, became more active and sincere, i believe in this, and i believe that we will be able to achieve an even greater conditional breakthrough in our relations, so that every person does not have you... problems in general, which side is israel on, it does not sit on the fence, he is clearly on the side of ukraine. thank you, mr. yevhen, yevhen kornechuk is the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in israel, and we will break for a few minutes, but please stay with us.

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we continue saturdays. khrystyna yatskiv and vitaly portnikov, and with your permission , we will still start with reflections, henry kissinger, diplomat and ex-secretary of state, actually, an extraordinary person, a lot has passed away there were also reflections on this matter among ukrainians on the internet, some believe that this is a person who was, in principle, the personification of the era of realpolitik, some believe that this is a person who fed the people, nurtured the people's republic of china in the format in which it exists now, i'll be honest, i 've only read one book by henry kissinger, i'm not familiar with ... his work to a greater extent, but mr. vitaly, it seems to me that you have exactly something to say about it, i

just remembered when i was little boy, well, there is a schoolboy, and we were resting with our parents in jurmala, and among our friends there, with whom we talked, there was one well-known colleague of my mother, a well-known moscow lawyer, and he talked with me there, well , they talk with the children, they talk about some things there, he said, oh, you have to cooperate with academician georgy arbatov, he was the director of the institute of the usa and canada, academy of sciences. of the union, which was one of the architects of this meeting with brizhnivan in 1972 and such a founder of soviet foreign policy in its form, and then years passed, and this a moscow lawyer, like many people , well, he is a famous person, moved to the united states, lived there for the last decades of his life, i once met him in the former soviet union, and he says to me: oh , hello, i understand, that you should have worked not with arbatov, but with maz, i tell him, it is the same person, okay, okay, because it is

the same person, that arbatov, that kissinger, this is the personification of cynicism in politics, just on the one hand and on the other, very similar people, even externally, and i, to be honest, never me, me read kissenger's books, he pretended to be a teleiran there, metternich, wrote this volume, diplomacy, huh, i'm not sure that diplomacy is a rejection of values, huh, there is a difference, metternich was political, a player who always defended his conservative values, taylor was a kinsenger, he didn't care what to defend, just to win, he perceived politics as a chess game, kissinger too. in principle, i have an impression, a very serious one, that

he left an imprint on his personality, teenage years in germany, uh, that he was formed in the era of telelitism really, and then america couldn't change it, i thought about it, but not like that, just when he died, that i always wondered, we just talked with mr. eugene , in the 90s, i wondered how israel would change when it arrived. such a number of people from the soviet union who did not know at all what a democratic political culture is, who are used to living by this black and white candle, as the party will say, as the party will say and it can be either way, or so, there are no halftones, and how will they meet with people who grew up in completely different political cultures, as far as who will change them, israel them, or they israel, both this and that happened, israel is a completely different pond during these years, which was for the first time, when there were 90s, it was simply unrecognizable, there is no such state that i have seen. more and all of us who saw her know that she is gone, but israel also changed them to a certain extent

, i am not talking about their children and grandchildren. kissinger, america also changed a lot, but he changed america so much, because how no one could. because this is the idea that we just have to protect our interests, and it doesn't matter if we protect some values ​​or. you know the famous phrase that was mentioned in israel now when kissinger died, that when they were talking about this détente with the soviet union, and kissinger, most of whose relatives died in gas chambers, uh, concentration camps, when he was asked what would happen to the soviet jews , he said, listen, if even the soviet union will send all the soviet jews to the gas works cameras, this is not an american problem, this is a humanitarian problem, our problem, a disarmament problem. with the soviet union, this is the credo , it was never different when even he

dealt with humanitarian problems, only if used as a tool of influence, and i believe that this is a consequence, not that this is not an american approach to politics, but a european approach to politics 30 years old , that he was fascinated by power, you know, when you see the marches of communists and national socialists as a boy, they get stuck in your head, it is very difficult for you leave, the legacy, it is absolutely tragic, that is kissenger's main achievement, which he always considered. part of its completion, the end of the vietnam war is considered. ugh. kissinger signed the agreement of 1973, on the ceasefire and the status quo and the withdrawal of american troops. in 1975, it ended with the collapse of the republic of south vietnam, under the pressure of the communists. kisziger was very dissatisfied, he wanted to return his nobel prize, but this was reflected in

american positions around the world. it is a disaster that we still feel, and we own it now we feel, oh during the russo-ukrainian war, we feel it, russia wants to play exactly the same gambit that the member of the politburo of the central committee of vietnam and the secretariat of vietnam, comrade le decho played with kissinger then, and it must be said that as a decent person, more decent nizhsenger, because lidaho was a dogmatist, he didn't take the nobel prize because he knew what would happen, and kissenger took it because he didn't seem to understand that he would be deceived, one moment, 72, kissinger drags nixon to beijing meeting with ma zadun agrees on the recognition of the people's republic of china. i want to remind you that until that time, the united states recognized the government in taiwan as the government of the republic of china. this government held a seat on the un security council and enjoyed the full support of the united states. kitonger suddenly had an absolutely idiotic idea that he could use china in the fight against the soviet

union and force the soviet union to make concessions. maudzun, the united states... recognized the prc, the prc became a member of the un security council. maoddadun died four years later. if we they didn't have kissinger. in 1976 , the erosion of china with an internationally unrecognized government would begin. ugh. in 1991, there were five democratic states in the un security council: taiwan, yeltsin's russian federation. united states, great britain. we would have the opportunity to change the world so that now nothing that was there would be. the world lost, thanks to kinzher, a huge chance for a normal life , this is a catastrophe of catastrophes, you just had to wait four years, they will say, china would still have to be recognized, maybe, but then

a new leadership would come, dancy pinin, who would like normalization with the united states as. it would be necessary to change china economically, not china - a member of the un security council and a great power, not a recognized china, not recognized by the civilized world, and the political concessions on the part of the leadership of the communist party could be enormous, and because they would very much like to get in the un, to become an internationally recognized government, we do not know at all what china would be like if this had happened, if this meeting of the presidents of the us president and the head of the chinese communist party had not taken place, but kissinger before on the last day of his life in the capital, he did not realize that he had made a huge mistake. the third mistake, it can be two burnt out. the third mistake, the meeting between nixon and brezhnev, the beginning of de-escalation of international tensions, 1972,

and 1979, the war. afghanistan, detente ended in complete failure, and already ronald reagan had to restrain the soviet union at the expense of starting such an arms race, which led to real results only for one simple reason, because brizhniv died and the era of chaos in the soviet union began leadership, and eventually the new leaders of the soviet union made a fatal mistake when they realized that they decided that they needed not economic reforms, but democrats in the country, and this is how the united states managed to get out of this mess that was thrown at them during their stay kissenjar as us secretary of state and national security adviser, three de facto nooses on the neck of the united states, vietnam, china, russia, which are still strangling

american politics and all of us, and in general, an absolutely extraordinary person, a genius with... a brilliant mind, simply destructive, now the question arises, why are they all looking at him with such delight, because everything corresponded to the idea of ​​the american gods that a politician should only care about national interests, what is external, for whatever -at what cost, foreign policy must be subordinated to this and anyone who thinks otherwise cannot be part of this establishment, so mike pompe. antony blinken talks about kissinger in one word, and this is a huge tragedy of the american political elite, it is necessary immediately say. misunderstanding this role, i do not want to say that kissenge. was kind of a devil, but i think that infatuation with evil is the most dangerous thing that

can happen in politics at all, and another very important point that i always think about is that kissinger liked what he was very quick to realize moment, well, that is , he was the first to understand what they did not have time to understand, well, this is such a quality of the european mind, if you will. a man who knew europe better than his american colleagues, madeline olber also, thanks to her european experience , she realized the change in processes faster than people who grew up in america, anthony blinkett is like you see, because he also has roots from the european continent, simply kissinger knew the west better, madeline norbert the center, and anthony blinken - the east, these are different things, and this is the center of the east of europe, i mean, and it's interesting what you see. easily said, no, ukraine should not be a member of nato under any circumstances, before his death, he said, it should be, i meant that if it is not a member of nato, no, therefore we will not have a war with russia, if there is already a war with russia,

why not take it into nato, that is, it is not a valuable moment, it is a moment of ensuring interest, and i think, nevertheless after all, if a person with such a sharp mind, with such an understanding of the moment, would be guided by values, what results could he achieve. to achieve, because kissenger was in big politics for only a few years, that's a short time, the presidency of richard nixon, uh, and the presidency of gerald ford, the people we were talking about, talleyrand, were clever for 50 years, at the highest positions, and kissenger changed the world beyond recognition over the years, all the people who were involved in american politics before that were either romantics or isolationists. but everyone followed the principles. kissinger showed that diplomacy could be unprincipled, and since then it has never been different anywhere.

this book by kissenger is diplomacy, it is not a hymn to unprincipledness. i don't know if he understood at the time what he was doing in each of those three points that you just mentioned, he was strangling the united states. i think that he did not understand, he understood that he was deciding, not far, he believed that he was ending a war that was extremely unpopular in america, which would have cost nixon a second term, nixon was re-elected, however, he believed that he was creating serious problems, an upset for the soviet union, a new mutual understanding between washington and pokin, the moment of the most acute confrontation between the united states and the ussr, china and the soviet union, and he believed. that if the soviet union is afraid of this union and is ready to detente, well, and it thus creates opportunities for the coexistence of the ussr, this simple instrumental things.

okay, if, if we are talking about the fact that the disarmament of russia was at a certain point in kissinger's political life more important to him than some other principled value points, and he saw cynicism in this, then it is just a reduction of the nuclear potential, yes, anyway, at what cost, because this is the most important thing, we are coming to exactly this, then, is the era of realpolitik going into the past together with kissinger, isn’t this what the whole civilized world is doing now, i thought about it today when i analyzed the speech the president zelskyi to the associated press, the one where he says that we did not have enough help from the west to succeed in the counteroffensive. in principle , our commander-in-chief valery zaluzhnyi said the same thing to me , the american generals are talking about it, everyone is talking about it , we did not get enough to

go on the offensive in a classy and powerful way and achieve some very ambitious goals. so, is this the insufficiency of the resources provided to us, is this the clumsiness of the approach after all, or is it a conscious approach? conscious approach, of course, is the desire to create such disarming russia is important, but there is a balance between these interests with a nuclear war, and by the way , kissinger, who said no, accept them in nato, he has already moved on in real politics, because he realized that russia will not change anything anyway your position that you will not be able to convince her, so act. to act more decisively, but it was the same story that was told by the way when nixon and kissinger were discussing the issue of supplying weapons to israel in the war from day one, you know the story when kissinger

said that he would give israel limited. the number of planes and nixon wine, listen , if you give them even one plane, you will no longer be a friend of the arab world, so give them as much as they need, because it does not matter, and it is strange that this is also cynicism, because you can, or not to give, and then have good relations with the arabs, or to give as much as is necessary for israel to defeat them and be with the winner, and to give in such a way as to give and at the same time not quarrel with the opposite party. side strongly, it doesn't work, because the opposite side still thinks you're in favor the enemy, and she will consider herself a friend, and that you will not help her enemy, and this is what the west must realize when it comes to the russian-ukrainian war, and that the real politics, she continues, this, that , what we discussed with pavel klimkin, here is lavrov's trip to the osce session, for the first time, sorry, since february 22nd, at this level , foreign ministers meet with their russian counterpart, well, they almost never

met, lavrov wanted to go there come, they had a simple choice, or the obsye stops to work, or they fulfill lavrov 's demands, and here is the issue of the fact that the council of europe lived in the same regime from 14 to 2022, they were constantly trying to persuade russia to do something, they lifted sanctions from them, they said that dialogue was necessary, what they are saying now in the osce, at least some kind of dialogue is needed, and they should pay money to the organization. and we need to elect a new secretary general and they will block that, block that, and our mps shouted, remember this whole story, and that and in the end they did everything right, how they believed, the sanctions were canceled, the very possibility of introducing sanctions against the delegation of a specific country was canceled, russia was returned, the money for the budget was received, the leadership was formed, everything was great, only then once, and they had barely completed this whole process, russia attacked ukraine, they

were added exclude it. the question arises , what is it for you, you were fed up, you can say from a known substance and did not get anything, you could immediately exclude it, in the 14th year and not bother your head, the same thing obs, i am sure that it will cease to exist , if russia will be as it is, well, there will be a next session, lavrov will want to come to malta with his saxophone, sakhvoyage, take something else, more. will blackmail, the government of malta will again agree on some kind of delay, russia will again not give the opportunity to elect a new chairman, it will happen every time now, just paralysis, just paralysis, so why so, well, the actual existence of this then, they could russia exclude, but they cannot, because a country can only be excluded if everyone else agrees, everyone else - that means belarus, or

the countries of central asia, or hungary or someone else, they will not agree in the current situation, so they cannot exclude it, but to exist, to create some new organization without russia, as dmytro koleba proposed, makes no sense, because if you announce, that you will create a new organization, it will be the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe, there will be the same participants, oh, let's move on, because there were actually a lot of important events this week, i think. particularly interesting work of the security service of ukraine, according to some information, namely the security service of ukraine, we cannot talk about it yet, because there is only such optical data, the situation on the baikal-amur highway, this highway, can play a rather interesting role, and some of the analysts are believed to believe that russia does not recover for quite a long time, because this branch is a rather important connection between

russia. and china, there were two explosions, one train and another, well, first of all, we don't know exactly what was being transported there, once, uh, secondly, we don't know one more thing, in which side, i also believe that it is very important when the connection between russia and china is broken, but we must understand that china is also interested in receiving goods from russia, and we can consider that this is a signal in the direction of china, because these problems are not only russian-ukrainian mutually, but also ukrainian, chinese. we are undermining the very railway that is important to the people's republic of china, that is , we are sending a signal to china, we understand that you are our enemies, and we will act so that you also have problems in the economy, and precisely in to that sector of the economy, which is connected with russia, it can be said that in this way the ukrainian authorities clearly take a course for confrontation with the people's republic of china, and realize that china is interested in helping russia, because we had a lot of constant hopes. what is

the people's republic of china.