it is not a politically correct word like a mess, but why, in your opinion, did this mess appear, when, then, the nickname is against zelenskyi, the cornerless against the industrious, european solidarity against the office of the president, in short, the impression is that there is no war, but the peaceful time continues with the political squabbles that we have been used to since 1991, and even before 1991, that is, at least as i remember, from 1980. your word, mr. yevgeny. glory to ukraine, mr. mykola, strangely enough, after your question, but still, i think that it would be better for us to live in democratic ukraine, than we will think about returning to totalitarian ukraine, because nothing good was and cannot be in totalitarian ukraine. unfortunately, we are actually reaping the fruits of what ukraine is today.

for today, the first such war, such an upheaval as an independent state, that is, what happened 100 years ago, well, it was a slightly different plot, noticeably different, the second world, well, the first world war passed by independent ukraine, the second world war also, now it's not the world cup war, but it is the aggression of the largest country in the world against the largest country in europe. and the scale is appropriate. i would say that ukraine is waging a war for independence, and you know how on the body of a sick person, during an illness , rashes appear, some problems appear, etc., so we also see similar things now, and this, i think , evidence that our democracy is imperfect. our democracy is

problematic, it is evidence that the people standing at the helm of the state did not understand that we still need to ensure real concrete unity, not declarative, and, accordingly, their political competitors , primarily competitors, because i do not think that now we are talking about the prospect of any elections, as if the parliamentary forces agreed in mid-november that there would be no elections, even six months after the end of martial law, only then there may be elections, but this is not a formal agreement, this is an agreement like that, ladies and gentlemen, i would say, because i think it is impossible to substantively adopt the corresponding changes to the law, and that is why we found ourselves in such and such a situation ,

when there are really many different things that attract our attention, and that is why we became, among them, become victims of russian ipso, because in russia there is no question that they need to preserve a democratic system, they can do in principle what they think as needed for your own. victory and this is a little secret, but yes, i thought that you saw that i had a rash in the form of herpes on the lips the question is, do you see the danger, that is, you think that this is it the inoculation against authoritarianism and totalitarianism has not spread throughout the body yet , in the sense that i see what mr. klitschko says, and

many people complain that there is a threat to democracy, they say that authoritarianism can reign, to be honest, i do not agree believe me, i don't see it, and the authorities will always try to grab something like this and hide in their pockets some more opportunities, more powers, and so on, it is everywhere , in the most developed democracies, but for some reason i do not see that , am i wrong, mr. eugene, what, what, having such rose-colored glasses that there is no such threat of authoritarianism or totalitarianism in ukraine, please take your word for it, i think that the desire to concentrate as much power as possible exists in every government, as much power as possible, but there is no clear understanding that there is a simple proportion, the more power . the more

responsibility, and this proportion constantly works regardless of who wants what and how and what, and therefore, the more power, the more authority and the more responsibility, these are absolutely understandable things, just in ukrainian execution, well let's say, the things that happened the other day with petro poroshenko are classic idiocy, because it shows that the people who made this decision simply do not understand the context in which ukraine is located, neither temporal nor spatial, i do not tends to point a finger at the name of this or that state body, it doesn't matter, because we live in a country where everything is subordinate to the president, whose name is zelensky, and that's a little secret, right? yes, well, what about him, he himself, in your opinion,

he and his environment, well, i would ask like this, are they behaving critically badly, is it normal or not critically bad? it all depends , it all depends on what we judge as the degree of critical badness, that is, if we think that oppressing the opposition during the war and ignoring the need to create a government of national unity, to form, if you will, an apparent unity, is bad, then it's bad if we think that thank god that as long as, say, territorial centers of assembly centers, as long as people are taken away by force, and people are not shot on the streets, well then there is another option, it all depends on what are the criteria of perception, forgive me, i do not like the recent trends that

i observe in ukraine, i do not like them intensely enough, and this, well , i think that i am not alone in this. well, really, as i look at it, i, for example , do not see anything unusual, i understand that there must be mistakes, and people are all different, as when there are 30 million such people, then obviously it is impossible without mistakes, and without violating knowingly or unknowingly, some laws are also impossible, and when someone criticizes even so, i always think, well, how they wanted, they wanted there not to be, theft during the war, and theft. during war it is alpha and omega, everyone steals the most during war, and there have been no exceptions in the history of mankind, they break laws during war, under the cover of war, i would even say, and so on and so forth, that's why there are , there is, there is an important clarification, stealing during the war in the poorest

country in europe is a little like looting, but no, it can be called a factory . maybe this is looting without a reminder is just direct murder , but there were no exceptions, a big country, rich, wealthy, poor, the poorest, they will steal anyway, but we are talking about the country, the citizens of which we are, no, we are talking, mr. yevgeny, about the moral aspects , i would not advise anyone to talk about moral aspects during war and during politics of any... any kind of politics, but moral as such, the morality of politics is revealed 100 years after the events, then we say, yes, napoleon is bad, but still did a lot of good, come on let's move on to substantive matters,

at the beginning of the invasion of the verkhovna rada, you and i voted for this verkhovna rada, a coalition of victory was created, which included everyone... except opzzh, that is, in the format of a constitutional majority, explain, well, it was declared , it can be found, it was proclaimed loudly, why the coalition of victory was created, and it is impossible to take a photo of the hard-working, hard-working vf and zelsky vo together, if you want protocol and spread it through all information channels. this coalition of victory is created, and we live i remind our viewers that in a parliamentary-presidential republic, there are no decisions, that is, decisions that she would stamp, excuse me as a fool, that is, we

only see her expensive military clothes on our parliamentarians, where they say that we will be courageous, like ukrainians, we are ukrainians there, it's all good. that they have adopted the fashion introduced by volodymyr zelensky, but let's talk about some substantive things, the truth is that the fact that they have become not smart casual, but casual, military casual to dress when they are not pass the laws necessary for the state , by the way, i don't know which laws are so necessary, firstly, secondly, i somehow can't discuss how deputies dress, and thirdly, i would say that the audience, about which you said, it was they, these viewers, who created the monomajority, it did not fall to the ground, and the presidential parliamentary republic... began its existence not because someone did it, but simply because, watching, the viewers,

that is, the voters, voted in such way, for such a president and for such a monomajority, and there is no advice for it, but the monomajority collapsed on the eve of the invasion, and even then, to put it bluntly, the opzzh was blowing up the party in power, closing it to personnel. let's talk, mr. evan, well , it's something, it's not any, it exists, as it existed on the day when it, when they took the oath, it exists, what was the police doing there, that 's another question, well, we, we don't we can behave like this, there because of the fact that the general assembly voted with a monomajority, there is no monomajority , there is a monomajority, but there is no general assembly, that’s for sure, but the monomajority is a decision, the decision that, in my opinion, is not accepted, i try

explain about the cleaning of the judicial corps , the necessary mechanism, about creating the basis for an investment climate, about the development of enterprises of the defense-industrial complex, do we think that everything will just come to us because we have good eyes and a beard in mykola veresnya, yes, it will definitely come through my beard, i already agreed , the supply of everything necessary in ukraine begins through my beard, it’s true, that’s why it doesn’t work like this, it doesn’t work and it won’t work, so don’t tell anyone between us war, not war, reforms, lack of reforms, efforts in something conscious to transform the judicial building started in... in 1991, zero successes for 30 years and

more, so to demand that they appear now, i would, i would, i would be very surprised, well i just wouldn't believed, if even i were pointed at and told, look at judicial reform, i do not believe in judicial reform during the war, before the war, after the war, i believe in ten years of strong work, powerful every... day all branches of government to create independent judicial branch, i can hardly imagine another option, well, but there is a majority, you yourself said that there is a monomajority, why is it not working, why is it not conducting this work, the fact that it, it cannot do it in conditions of war, is a lie, war is not an excuse, it must be a catalyst for more intensive action , not an excuse that we can't do it, i understood everything, no, but nothing, at the same time and understood nothing, that is, you are convinced that

if they worked seven days a week 24 hours a day, we would get some result in the field of judicial reform, no, not only there, no, nowhere we wouldn't get anything, the reforms have been going on for 30 years and are not going anywhere, so, well, if you proceed from such logic, then we should close the ukraine project and say that we are incapable, why? and why did the americans elect the first black man 120 years after the victory of the north over the south, and we have to do in 30 years what the americans did for two centuries. thank you for your attention, yevhen magda, executive director of the institute of world politics, not because i don't want to continue, i would talk for another two hours, but mykhailo peliverts, israeli political scientist and a public figure appears in contact with us, from israel, we do not leave our attention, we closely watch...' and what is happening in the state of israel, because they are also fighting and we have a lot in common , but i will switch

to the russian language, because mr. mykhailo does not know ukrainian, but i believe that he is already learning it, and even after the victory of ukraine over russia and israel over hamas, we will speak with him in refined ukrainian. hello, mr. mikhail pelivert, thank you, good evening, good evening, here you go look, you and i are now somewhere around october 15-20 this year, yes, that is, the negotiations have ended, the truce has ended. that exchange, which took place in a ratio of one to three, that is, one jew for three khamazovs, that’s all that happened and now the war is simply continuing from the place where it was suspended because of these negotiations and the exchange and exchange of hostages, well first of all, not a jew, but

an israeli, were released, hamas had muslims, bedouins in captivity. second, hamas did not fulfill the main promise, for which , in general, what this deal was invented for, to free first of all women and children, according to israeli, according to israeli statements, hamas still has about twenty women and children, among them a baby, a ten-month-old kaffir, and israel demanded , first of all, to release this category , which, of course, does not fall under any of the combatants, hamas claims that it does not have these people, the question is, who then captured our israeli citizens, it is quite possible that this some smaller terrorist organizations, but in any case , this was enough for israel to decide that hamas was not fulfilling the terms of the deal, except

that they fired several rockets at us yesterday morning, so it was clear from the beginning , that dealing with a cannibal, yes , with a terrorist organization, is an ungrateful thing, but in addition, there is of course the domestic israeli political situation, which is determined, and the political background, i just came from the knesset literally half an hour ago, and it is very turbulent there, so that you understand, they are discussing not only the war and not so much the war, but the budget for 25-26 hours, that is , political life continues in israel and one of the very important factors in this political life, it is a question of not too much are we giving way to hamas, are we not following his lead, and now benjamin netanyahu has a very difficult relationship with his right-wing conservative partners, who believe that from the very beginning there was no need to negotiate with hamas, it was necessary

will surround their cities and not lift this blockade until they are... hostages, now, apparently, the israeli army has moved to exactly this scenario, i think that the point is to divide the gases conditionally into three separate enclaves of the territory, to do the cleaning so of the so-called district of the city , in which, according to the assumption, there is a huge number of underground tunnels in which hostages can be kept, it is necessary to name the number , it is still more than 100 people, there has never been such a precedent in israel that such a number, not even so many military ones, it was the civilians who were taken captive, and their fate was completely unknown to israel. mikhail, look, i would like to ask a question, first, you understand, but

then i realized that you used the word cannibals, then i ask, and... do you feel why hamas behaves like this, if there is at least some logic, here they held negotiations, qatar, the united states, egypt , they traveled, everything, they started negotiations, they agreed on the first 4 days, then a continuation, every day for 10 people, well, in short, there was something obvious at one time, some meaningful talks, at some point in time, and we will not give you anyone, we will launch a couple more missiles at you. well, you have to understand something, they, you understand, you feel, maybe you don't understand, but you feel that there is something breaking in the head, that we are at this moment, when everything seems to be going normally, in me i had the impression when i watched your ninth channel that many people were even surprised , look, they execute, they give, they don’t shoot, well, i mean the first day there, the second, the third day, suddenly on what- then

day, it all breaks down, and i can’t understand it, so it’s just that if it was possible to get muslims drunk, but i thought, probably, they got drunk there and decided to press the buttons and not pick up, these are the same telephones, but it seems that muslims don’t drink much and they don't have a special friendship with drugs either, hell , you'll understand why they're suddenly doing it, well, you know, by the way, i don't agree with you about drugs, it's assumed that the thousands of terrorists who attacked israel on october 7 were under the influence of drugs , precisely in this state affect, and committed those terrible crimes that we hear about, yes gradually, yes, including cutting off heads and so on, and look, on the one hand, we are like western people... yes, well, the west, referring to western civilization, we want to rationally understand an organization that, you know,

chooses jihad between jihad and pragmatism, for them everything only begins after death, you see, they actually believe that the main thing is persistence in this idea of ​​the palestinian resistance, a the number of dead palestinians, be it children, innocents... residents or the hamasites themselves are statistics, they are not interested in it, they want the embers of this palestinian resistance to burn, our israelis look at the situation in a completely different way, we have this war has absolutely specific faces, specific names, we need to free specific tens or hundreds of our people, and specifically destroy ihiy sinvar or moussa abumarzuk, and here is the head of hamas, that is, we have him. very specific tasks, and they have a struggle for an idea, that's why they can wage this war for generations, while we just want to live well, we don't have time for - very

long wars, er, the main one, but at the same time, if we return to the fact that the actions of hamas after all, he is rational in some things, so here was the main condition that this terrorist organization put forward - that in exchange for the release of... hostages, it will end the military operation, not for a day, for two, for a long, so-called thin , eh, that is, these are the months when military operations are not will be waged, eh, israel - cannot afford it, eh, this is the main promise that was also given by the government of benjamin netanyahu, to continue waging war until the victorious end, and hamas, i repeat, if we are trying to rationally explain it now... the decision not to release, at least women and children, is primarily due to israel's refusal to end the military operation,

and israel, on the contrary, is even expanding it, and therefore i assume that in the near future there are still 2-3 days when there is some chance that the truce will be restored, this is due to the fact that israel has not yet deployed all its forces in the gaza strip, there is still a limited contingent of troops, i will not name the number, but look, the chances of this are not very high, i, in principle , remain so pessimistic in the medium term and think that all this will continue at least until april, i have one clarifying question... you talked about the fact that hamas is fighting for an idea, i have a clarifying question: still for idea or for 73

virgins who are waiting for participants the resistance there, where, somewhere up there or down there, i no longer know where they are there, well, just the lightness of the transition from life to death is so high that apparently the attraction of these 73. virgins or the attraction really is from the river to remove all jews from the sea and settle down and live happily, which of the two ideas is more important for a hamas member? you know, i just because of my kind of activity, i watch and read palestinian channels and there i see a huge number of fathers and mothers who praise and thank allah for the fact that their child fell a martyr, that is, he died. in the name of the palestinian cause, that is, i, in principle , respect the enemy, i want to understand him, i do not, no, i do not think that they should laugh at this,

it seems to me that they sincerely, well, for their level of development, believe in this, that apparently without jews, without israel, without the west, without the great satan of the united states, the world would be better, but here it is very important that everyone sees the international community, including... who are we fighting against? we are fighting against iran, fundamentalist, against terrorist organizations hezbollah and hamas, against somali pirates, against the hussites, in which 80% of the population is on the brink of starvation, and this is an official fact recognized by the un, that is , here, i am not talking about the axis of evil that supports all this, so here i am, on the one hand, rationally explaining this is hatred. of course, it is precisely the religious component, they believe in what they say, but it would be interesting if they would lend us money in this world, with the promise that we

will return it to them in the next, it would probably be a good test of how much they believe that after all, there is an afterlife, but i want to convince you that in israel there are still political forces that, despite the war, believe that sooner or later they will have to sit down at the negotiating table, and the whole question when with someone, that is, who can be sufficiently authoritative , this is an excellent hint, i will now dream of seeing after the war, after everything, some kind of such a discussion on the one hand, rebbe, on the other hand, mula, that's the question the rebbe puts before me , we will lend you money for we'll figure it out somehow, i like it very much, the last question is very important, it seems to me that they spoke again, now they mentioned

this word, if hezbollah goes against israel, lebanon will be destroyed - said prime minister netanyahu, this is generally viewed as a real picture or are these just scarecrows, as if a warning , don’t come to us, because it will be bad, well , because again everything will be blamed on you, because there is hezbollah, and there is lebanon, and he does not say that if hezbollah attacks us, we destroy hizballah, he says, if hizballah on us... this is part of lebanon, the political part of lebanon, but nevertheless, it seems to me that this is an absolutely real scenario, i am even afraid that israel's strike will include, let's say, some unconventional weapons, which according to foreign sources, israel has , and there was already information about it, and even, let’s say, in the israeli mass media,

high-ranking... generals did not hesitate to use the word disproportionate response, after which lebanon will cease to exist, i think that, on the one hand, it is clear that no one wants this, but apparently israel believes that it simply will not have a choice, because hezbollah has an arsenal of missiles that is an order of magnitude better, if i put this word in quotation marks, than what hamas has, they cover the entire territory of israel, unfortunately, they have gps guidance, so they can be launched not only into the air, but specifically for some military, civil, infrastructural purpose, so israel cannot afford to wage a protracted war with hezbollah for a week or a month, this must be someone very decisive a blow that will give everyone an absolutely direct, direct, direct understanding of the fact that this war

will be... completely qualitatively different, this is, by the way, the meaning of those, that, that large american presence that we observe, including aircraft carriers, it's not so much to demonstrate to israel, hizballet, that america will fight on the side of israel, it's to try to dissuade israel from this disproportionate attack, because the americans really want to preserve this tension. at the regional level, and not turn it out of this a full-scale, for example, the first iran-israeli war, and this is quite realistic if hizballah still decides to open a full-fledged second front. thank you very much, thank you very much, mykhail, mykhailo pilevert, an israeli political scientist, public figure, was with us, thank you very much, now we will have a seven-minute story about the pro-ukrainian land in the east and what russia's attacks are turning it into.

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