defenders, so training is continuous. currently, they have encountered a problem here, say the ministry of defense, which orders the most complexes, does not pay for the training of the military, because the ministry finances the training of operators exclusively by state institutions. at this stage, it comes from the net profit of the company, so there are, there are certain difficulties, because it is necessary to constantly update the complexes, they... we need even more and more transport, because the number of people is not decreasing, this problem, they say in the center, can be solved , because there are no issues with the training of border guards and national guardsmen gets into the ministry of digital affairs also pays for the training of pilots, for whom the birds are purchased under the drone army program. that is why experts are convinced that the synergy of the ministry of defense, manufacturers and people's representatives is needed here. welcome to

the espresso channel. today, in our military program, we will talk about how our defense companies develop, test and supply to the armed forces and defense forces of ukraine certain types of weapons and military equipment, because the ministry of defense itself, as the main customer, announced that from on november 1, there are rules that allow troops to receive new weapons. rather, because the defense department canceled, as they say, certain excessive tests of weapons that are not related to confirmation of their combat capability, reduced a certain number of checks at various stages of production, simplified requirements for the supply of weapons and equipment to the troops. what all this affects, how it works in practice, whether it has become easier for manufacturers in the new conditions, we will try to detail all this in conversations with representatives and managers of a number of defense-roma companies and enterprises.

my name is serhiy sgurets, i am the director of the information and consulting company defense express, which, together with the espresso channel, strives to highlight the most relevant trends in the life of our defense industrial companies and the armed forces in general. and now the first guest joins us. we are in touch with bohdan petriv, he is the acting chief designer of the ukrainian armored vehicles company. mr. bohdan, i welcome you to the broadcast of the channel. good afternoon, thank you for the invitation. and i would like you to tell me first, just like the eyes, relatively speaking, relaxed testing procedures affect what's going on in your company right now, because i know that right now your new model of technology, the new novator machine is going through government tests, and usually such government tests, it was such a top challenge for developers, and it's important it is of course not enough for the customer, so what is happening now with your engine room, what

is being tested in practice compared to the past, what are the interim results? well, i would like to start by saying that although it was stated that the changes were made from november 1, in fact they were carried out by the cabin decision from november 21, and provided to us, as manufacturers, from november 26, that is, this is still a process and we do not know how it will actually be implemented, from our side we are going through two non- state tests with the innovator, we are conducting our internal preliminary tests, but we have invited representatives of all possible customers, this is the national police, this is ngu, this is representatives of the ministry of defense, various structures, to show and conduct tests as close as possible to operational conditions, and that all these eliminations went through with the customers, and they could give their assessment of this and confirm what we will show and receive at the tests, it is an innovator with

us, well, two types of main tests are passability and speed tests, economy, dynamism, and also these are shooting tests, we already passed the tests, passability, dynamics , economy, checked, the sample showed itself very well, even a little better than we planned, we got again a maximum speed of 135 km/h, which is a very high indicator for a car that has increased its mass and transports 10. soldiers, on which module 12 is installed, well, with a 12.7 machine gun, that is, these are good indicators, we increased, changed the suspension, improved it and got good results in cross-country ability, checked rolls, angles of entry, everything meets the requirements, we are now conducting silver tests, they have been happening this week, we have tested one of the two models that we are using on this sample, so far everything has met... our

expectations and hopefully next week we will finish these tests, prepare all the documents, acts and protocols, we will provide the ministry of defense and the ministry will not have additional questions, this amount of documents will be enough for them to make a decision and allow this sample to be put into operation, now this will mean that after they accept these documents, it will mean that the ministry of defense and other law enforcement agencies can, in principle , order this machine right now, and in this way you will be able to form a package of orders and download your enterprise in a certain way, this is how it looks, exactly like this, we hope that it will be possible for the ministry of defense to check all these results by december 20, so that from january 1 we have already concluded state contracts and will be able to manufacture this modification of the car as planned for next year. and mr. bohdan , you mentioned that firing tests are also being conducted, that is

, the characteristics of this module of yours are actually being checked , which as i understand it is an original development aimed at having certain, let’s say, mass and size indicators and a certain firepower , what kind of module is it, what kind of weapon it can be equipped, what are the general technical characteristics? well, look, we are currently using two modules, one module is in joint development with our partner, we have already used it on the five-seater version, now we have made some improvements based on the results of operation and we want to present it in the best possible version so that there were no more questions, there was something to work on. all there are some small flaws and nuances, this is a unified module that allows you to use all machine guns caliber 12.7 and dshk, and nsvt and browning , and also allows you to install an ags on your base, and

well, it can be done, we have not yet done it in the mkk, if we take samples, well , the combat ones, well, it allows you to divide by 360 °, 75° at a height of -10, that is, it gives a full range of work, well, as for the technical, well, the combat characteristics still depend on the collet we receive, browning is one thing, dshk is a little different, we also present a foreign module , which we have already supplied to our armed forces, we want to test it also in combat work exactly on this car, exactly like that. performers , will it not affect any dynamic characteristics when driving and how it will conduct stilbuses, will the target be held and how it all happens, you can shoot on the move, you can’t, what speeds are needed for this shooting, right now we are carrying out these works, well, we hope that

there will be positive results and we will be able to deliver these samples to the troops immediately, so that the troops do not have time for preparation, rearrangement, so we will do it. they installed, drove and work as much as possible, mr. bohdan, who will potentially be the first users of your new innovator, which unit, which types of troops will be there, we hope that everyone will join, but to be honest, knowing and working and having experience working with customers, i think that after all it will be the national guard of ukraine, they are the most flexible, the fastest, perceive new equipment, so i think we will send the first samples to the national guard of ukraine, they already have experience working with our modules and our machines seven-digit, they take an active part in tests, representatives of various parts came to test, er, test, and were in the car and checked its

characteristics, so i think the national guard will be the first to order, and we hope for a fairly large batch, so that we could deliver them there during the year, a large number of cars, but is your company planning to, or is there a request from the military, for such cars to be equipped there with means of combating fpv drones, that is, with these reb kits that make it impossible to the targeting of fpv drones by the enemy, or other machines? let's just say, military personnel from the combat zone very often turn to us with such questions. er, frankly , this is not our profile, but we always follow those new developments that are available in ukraine, there are several options of good doll rebs, er, we, we are currently cooperating with the company kvertus, from kyiv, we hope that they will get a good sample and we will be able to install it on our

car, and we will offer such a solution based on the results of the tests and we hope that the armed forces will take it directly from the factory, so that this does not happen some... work in the field, when our military is forced to separately get a car, separately get some rap and then figure out how to install it better or worse, well, for now currently, we have not yet implemented these dome rebiyas on our samples. you said that if all goes well, all goes well, then you plan to deliver a significant number of these machines next year, to potential users, does that mean you've already planned for sure, can you even did you purchase individual components that will really speed up the assembly of this machine later? well, look, there are two components here , the first... and we have been working on the market for a long time and we have worked out cooperation on these issues

, and we previously understood with all companies that our sample is already entering the final stage, we have worked out these issues, have prepared and we are trying to get a quick delivery, but there are certain bureaucratic regulations, we cannot, well, when we import the sample, we have to clear it through customs, we have to pay vat and so on. this is not taken into account. when we are charged with calculation and calculation materials, because there is a discount that is given for military equipment, for this we need to get a state contract, that is why we expect that we will receive a state contract on january 1, and we will be able to import a large amount in accordance with this state contract component parts and then supply them by weight, so that there are no questions in the calculation, so that the cost of the equipment itself does not increase, or so that it is not in the negative. our company because, well, that is, actually, when we are valuable, constituents, when we talk about

simplification of procedures, then i understand, probably these things should be taken into account by our authorities, because if the company has the opportunity to purchase in advance, then it is the same, probably, well, it should be taken into account optimally, so that the production process does not slow down later, as i understand it, i think there is some truth here, but the state decided that it simplified the procedure in. after introducing these benefits, and i don't know, this issue is quite complicated, i'm not sure that i can directly evaluate it, because maybe, then the state sees it, that some companies can it is misused, so they don't want to further simplify these procedures there, although a company like ours, which has a lot of experience, we supply a very large number of products, can make some kind of separate list of companies, since it is allocated for import-export, well of military products, maybe this is the case... it was simplified, accelerated, and we could use our funds by taking them abroad, without taking any

time, understanding that we will buy products, because also, we cannot take funds abroad, we have to, confirm that we are it we are using right there to fulfill some kind of contract, and mr. bohdan, taking this opportunity, i cannot but ask about an extremely interesting question that has caught the attention of experts and the military there, which is that your company, well, has announced that it is ready with its partners to produce an infantry fighting vehicle for the needs of the armed forces, and then silence was planned, so i wonder what stage we are at now, do you expect the ministry of defense to announce a tender, or are there already certain, let's say, indicators there or packages from certain competing companies that have already been handed over to of the ministry of defense, that is, at what stage is this whole story now? let 's put it this way, first of all, we made an offer from the ministry of defense and it is quite profitable, i said ... financially, it is probably the best, well, at the very least from what we know, but

since the news was published, there is a certain, certain opposition our, as i understand it, russian friends, so-called, that is why we would like this not to arise much in the information space, we are working, we are currently finishing certain technical issues, in terms of production, we are also working on certain negotiating positions. i think that we will implement this project and i hope that it will be in the near future, well, but there are certain delays, there is a lack of a need fully formed in the ministry of defense, but i think that a few of their meetings, and this issue will also be resolved, and as soon as we establish cooperation and start serial production, we will inform you, present samples, invite you for tests, well, it will probably be a long time to wait, i hope it will be much faster, and that is, what is your vision in general, that is, er, of this

bmp, because there are competitive offers from other companies, in your parameters are primarily price, or we say, we say comprehensively, that both the assembly there, and the optional one or another machine, it will fully satisfy the needs of the armed forces. hey, look, we know the technical requirements for machines of this type. because we developed our concept of the bmp and we understand what the military wants, on the other hand, our solution has two advantages, firstly, it is time, we already have... ready-made samples and there is a ready-built system that we we will be able to implement it as quickly as possible and quickly to deliver products, now speed is a more important factor than money, because time is delaying us, we have several dozen units ready, ready and several dozen

units that we can quickly implement and hand over to the armed forces of ukraine, plus the price as well, is quite good, but from the point of view of installation and modifications, well, this is a matter of use and must be seen specifically, some units may want to change something, but ukrainian armored vehicles are quite flexible to such requests and we try speed up as much as possible, unify , do some things, that is, with machine guns, for example , when we unified the bearing, we did it for all types, well, we developed certain solutions for the btrm13, they were also unified and allowed us to make several options, to install a turret without making any drastic changes, in general we consider the modular approach to production to be the most correct, it is necessary to make a base, it is necessary to make modules and quickly replace it, this allows us to use a smaller number of basic

cars, less time for training and only specialize in teaching that kind of rebbe. in the rhb defense, sam, ptrk, that is, this approach , we also use it on the innovator in everything, and mr. bohdan, but there are no certain , let’s say, reservations from the military, that, linguistically speaking, we have bradley, marder cv90 there , there will be another one there, an infantry fighting vehicle, which has not been used in combat there before, is that a deterrent for deciding in favor of your proposals, i think, it is not a deterrent , because now the armed forces, the armed forces of ukraine have an incredible need big and this large number of inventory that you mentioned is really a problem for repair units, i think they are holding their heads, plus when planning combat operations, different vehicles have different characteristics and

commanders have to take this into account and it is an additional serious burden for the commanders, because you need to know the tth of the maximum number of cars from the zkos, but in this case i think that we have no choice, we have to do it, yes, tsepark, as some people call it, but we need equipment, we need a lot of equipment, a lot of equipment they don't produce such in such quantities , general zauzhnyi last year asked for 600 units, tanks, but we didn't receive such a large number at once, because it's simply not available anywhere, so i think that the diversity just doesn't affect it, speed and money do, well, i'll ask a tricky question, you can not answer, can we talk about the fact that your potential in the alliance with partners there allows you, well, after the decision is made, to put at least 100 bmps there during the year, could this be the case? yes, it's realistic, it's pretty realistic

goal, we planned a little even more, not much, well, somewhere in such areas. well, thank you very much for such an answer, and then we move on to other projects of your company, now the issue of the use of various robotic platforms is also being discussed, there the minister of statistics talked about the fact that about five dozen platforms were undergoing certain, let's say, tests there or demonstrations, and i know that your company, here at the weapons-security exhibition, literally there before the beginning of the russian invasion, at the navodi site, showed its a robotic platform, which, in principle, is made in cooperation with foreign partners, there are people there, i do not know the details, what is the current status of this project, will the company work in this direction? well, really, we presented such a project, it is more the development of our foreign partners, we simply presented it on

our market with certain modifications already with our understanding, now we have given this sample to the armed forces and it is working properly, we are collecting information about how it is used because approaches to robotic platforms are very diverse, er, different divisions see them differently , the requirements for them are diverse, that's why i think the ministry of statistics calls a huge number of robotic platforms, because sometimes everyone calls them robotic platforms, but each has its own purpose, its own function and they are different, it is even difficult to compare them. which is for what and on what basis , to make some basic, well, as far as i know, it has not been possible so far, we want to gather the experience that our military will have, and on the basis of this experience already... communicating with partners, or we will finish the samples here on the spot, or we will ask that our partners cero, well, produce in-house and supply even then the batches that will be ready

to buy the military, which will help them fulfill their tasks, mr. bohdan, as i understand it, this the platform that was handed over to the military is amphibious, that is, it can actually move and steer, and it , as i understand, already has a control channel for this machine room completed there, and it is possible even with the adaptation of certain types of weapons, or for now without weapons, our military use this platform? it is amphibious indeed, but it is without weapons , there is a place to install weapons , and it can be used , it is possible to use it as a platform for weapons, but so far it is used in a slightly different way, they have their own ideas, although there are options with weapons, but not yet are used, we don’t know yet, but i think that in some time they will install weapons and we will get an answer to the question of how it works, when there are installed weapons, and which weapons are better to install, whether it is weapons, some kind of machine gun, or this the weapons that will be used to destroy the tanks there, well

, in any case, the control system of this platform is conventionally worked out, it really works, because why i ask, yesterday i had a conversation with the developer of one of the platforms, and he says that we they made a robotic sherpa system there, that is, it can still swim, but it says that there is a problem with the control, because in difficult climatic conditions, in difficult conditions it is difficult to provide, well, a control channel, that is, you have worked out this solution and it is in principles like me i understand, well, really working people, of course , it has been worked out, well, let’s put it this way, a certain advantage of our foreign partners is that they started working with it earlier and got results earlier, so we and bpa, our representatives, have certain problems, so that everyone started doing bpo, but there is no such accumulated experience, therefore ukrspeet systems is a rather progressive company that

started doing it much earlier and they have a pretty good quality product that they produce, and the rest also have to learn from wheels and stuff these bumps and make these mistakes, well, we hope that our representatives will be able to make such robotic platforms that will be ... competitive, the main thing is that they help our armed forces, absolutely true, absolutely true, and now your company supplies the armed forces, well , there is a fairly significant list of equipment in various sectors, including armored vehicles, mortars, and ammunition, but if you can compare, which of the segments brings the most contracts for your company? and with which the most difficulties in execution? well let's start with the implementation of the difficulties, here each direction has its own problems, which we

faced, if we take mortars, then we had to, in connection with the aggression , we lost the production where we made mortars and we had to completely redo it from scratch, well the truth is that in the cooperative we were able to find people who would be able to perform these works, and we spent a lot of time both on finding these works and on conducting qualifications, deciding on the mass production of these products, this was a problematic situation, so we a little let's say, it was delayed, but we sold the mortar and are now making it in fairly large quantities, we are manufacturing it, if we are talking about defense technology, then the biggest problem was the decentralization and relocation of the production plant. we try not to keep one, well, different types of production in one place, so that in the event of an impact , less damage is done, it also

took some time to relocate, certain organizational problems, but we basically coped with them, so as you can see, we presented a new model , we mass-produce the innovator, we make armored cabins for bohdan sau, we are also already serially producing quite good ones in large batches, we hope that this contract will be very important for our state and that next year we will also be able to stably produce such a large amount of sao data. uh, about ammunition, uh, about ammunition, the situation is a bit different here, indeed, they give the largest segment of our, our contracts, because a huge amount of ammunition is needed, regardless of production, the state is ready to take them away, simply incredible. in quantities, we have a lot there are foreign contracts, we have cooperation with foreign companies that help us produce a product that is already ours. and yes

, we built it from scratch, we rebuilt it, well, how did we build it essentially from scratch, we didn’t rebuild it with people, this issue, we manufacture projectile parts there, we hope that every month, we will master more and more parts there independently, how to increase the capabilities of our partners and us in the production of ammunition, and mr. bohdano, here is an extreme question, literally one minute, for what now the company calculates next year, will there be an increase in the production volume of all the products that you have calculated compared to this 23rd year? in any case, we hope that there will be more orders, we are preparing all productions with a minimum of 30 percent stock to increase, i think that next year we

will introduce a large number of ammunition solutions, i think it will be a fruitful year for ammunition, and we will already make several samples of ammunition in series by the end of the 24th year, in general, maybe even earlier we will manage to pass the test and show. with mortars, the situation is more complicated here, because now most of the mortars that we manufacture are mortars that we manufacture for volunteers, not for the ministry of defense, it is possible to increase this production, but we do not see the need for this yet, if there is a need , we will try to increase it, bring it to a greater number, well, we will see how much will be ordered, the main thing is that the armed forces win, and then we will deal with production and increase, mr. bohdan, very thank you for such interesting, new details from the life of your company, they are quite optimistic

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