well, the information day of the tv channel in rozpala, we now include yuriy sobolevskyi, the first deputy chairman of the kherson regional council. glory to ukraine. mr. yuri, we congratulate you. i congratulate you as a hero of glory. well, the left bank, we will not go far, the left bank of the dnipro, kherson region, we understand, the situation is dynamic. the enemy transferred there part of his reinforcements, which are now there, everything possible. unfortunately, we are very limited in our ability to inform about the events that are currently happening there. because informational silence is needed and there is no request from the military at all to comment on this situation, the same actually applies to the premises of the russian military on the left bank, because it is clear, when you comment on which units, where they are transferred, it is clear what is happening in general in our direction, so unfortunately i cannot here nothing to comment. mr. yuriy, what

is known about the consequences of the shelling, we know that the russians shelled antonivka on the right bank, a man died there, and also that the troops shelled the suburbs of kherson and wounded three people who were carrying out repair work on the street, could you please tell us in more detail what the russians were doing and whether the number of people injured as a result of these shellings has changed now. so far, there is no other confirmed information , this is what you said, and one more of the victims, the information is still being clarified, actually, but first, yes, first yes, they use mainly, this is artillery, and tasv, what exactly are the weapons systems during this shelling, there was, well , you have to wait, from the law enforcement officers, or from the military, this... information so that it was

officially, because they also inspect every arrival, and determine which weapon system was used, the fact that it was an unguided weapon, again, well, there is no doubt about it 100%, that is, they will work on approximately residential buildings, there in the cities gatherings of people, there is no selectivity, no, let's say this, there was no... desire to work for a military purpose, it was just a dream of terror. mr. yuriy, i also know that, unfortunately, a kindergarten in kherson came under shelling, were there children there at the time of the shelling, or was it fortunate was there no one there at the time? fortunately there was no, and fortunately we did not have any casualties during the attacks on two of our medical facilities, yesterday, there is damage, but fortunately there is no cover. the institutions will work, and

none of the other patients from the medical staff, fortunately , were simply not injured, but the fact that they are systematically shelling hospitals, well , unfortunately, this is a fact, and why do you think they do this, they want to completely deprive people with banal banal access to medical services, do they forge like that, let's say so, well not a very literary word, but they smoke out people from kherson so that they leave their homes and go to spend the winter somewhere. their goal is the worse the better, you know, they are working in principle, the liberated kherson region, which has completely restored its life, is a disaster for them, in fact, because they made a lot of political investments in this territory, that russia is here forever, that everything will be wonderful here now, when the russian peace has come. and here, you know, yes, such humiliation

is political, which is not only a military defeat, yes, when they lost these captured territory, and political humiliation is important for them, and it is clear that now in the temporarily occupied territories of our region, they are trying to make some kind of propaganda picture and how wonderful everything is there, although in reality there is either a humanitarian crisis or a disaster. depending on the community, and they also need to show that we have a terrible situation, because i understand , well, if everything is fine with us, yes, there is a humanitarian disaster, then it will be the best advertisement for the russian peace, and on my opinion, that is why they constantly try to damage critical infrastructure, critical humanitarian infrastructure as much as possible. tour and that there were as many

wounded or people who died as a result of shelling among civilians, mr. yury, one more question, the other day it was known that saldo, saldo seems to have given interviews to russian propagandists, and here he is he said that he is talking about the fact that kherson oblast is 95% subsidized, russia is getting absolutely nothing good for itself from this right now, but on the contrary, it is quite expensive for it the pleasure of being there and receiving all these captured territories, aren't you aware of such, you know, internal conflicts between the russians or between the occupying power, didn't such a threat begin with us, you know, on the basis of the fact that those gaulleiters did not live up to the expectations of the russians invaders, and precisely because of this, you may know

somewhere, some internal showdowns begin among them, because we know about some blown-up cars, and about some interesting flights over crowded places, and here too, you know, i have the same opinion prompts and wasn't it some kind of, you know , some kind of revenge of the showdown ala the 90s in those occupied territories, is there anything known about it? well, i can say that in fact , their betrayals among themselves began in the beginning , well, when the spiders are in banks, it is interesting there, they are already in positions among themselves, constantly intrigued there, constantly tried to put their people, in addition, when they received access to funding from the russian federation, the facts and cases where, let's say, these funds were simply embezzled, more of them than enough, and even trying, you know , well, no one from the russian federation wanted

any scandals about this, but even on such a scale that they are simply forced to arrest some of these collaborators there from time to time, or... tourists from the russian federation federations that came to these positions precisely for embezzlement, for inefficient use of these funds, etc., of course, subsidies there are now about 97%, in fact, all of it from the russian budget now goes to the kherson region, where there is a balance, and not only him, in fact, so what there are interests here, the interests of different people, different clans, and they... cut everything apart, of course, there is little that matters, this is the situation, it cannot satisfy moscow for a long time, that is why there are certain reactions there, and reeshti, and other processes, well, we will see , it will be interesting, but actually, we will watch

, i wonder if the russians are aware of the fact that they are now actually sponsoring the whims of their dictator, in fact, they are from the budget... giving money for that , so that some kind of enthusiasm could simply exist part of ukraine, and well, their taxes actually go to such things now, but i'm just wondering if some perestic russian is thinking about this, oh good, good global issue, so let's let yuriy sobolevsky go now, sobolevsky, thank him for this conversation , yuriy sobolevskyi, the deputy chairman of the kherson regional council was in touch with us before, now there will be a short pause and after it, marta, i will answer all your questions. the questions are voiced, please wait. on december 10, i will visit lviv. saint nicholas in his own persona in christmas musical maryana savka, write letters to mykolaiv.

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glory to the heroes, congratulations, well, the situation on the border is bad, but dynamic, yes, in particular , it is about both the ukrainian-polish border and the ukrainian-slovak border, it remains to be seen what kind of grasshoppers can throw out hungarians, romanians, moldovans and so on, well, but the key story is that the european commission is on our side, and accordingly, i would ask you how an experienced manager... who knows what can actually be hidden behind one or another, i don't know, optimistic statements by representatives of our ministry of foreign affairs, our diplomatic institutions, so that negotiations are ongoing, points of contact are being sought and so on and so forth, so evaluate , be kind, as a person who knows both diplomatic and management kitchen, so thank you, really, actually the key word you already mentioned, it's a dynamic situation, and it means that at the technical level, there is a lot going on right now, really contacts, a lot

consultations, i would call it that, and in a bilateral format, and in a tripartite format, including, of course , the european commission and the council of europe, that is , everyone involved, in some way tangential to the possibility of solving this, this situation, the institution , today are involved, the situation really exists here, on the one hand, it seems to be unambiguous, yes, that is, we understand, it is great, that the actions, first of all, of our polish colleagues, the carriers, to put it mildly, are still not adequate and are not such as correspond to good, to the good-neighborly spirit of our relations, i would say yes, or to the spirit of support for ukraine, here, but we see such. the delay with the decision for the next time, in fact, you and i have also repeatedly talked about it on the part of the european union, on the part of the european

commission, it is connected, first of all, of course with the formation of the national government, mr. tusk, on the one hand, on the other on the other hand, we also see that brussels is not quite ready, i would say so, to make some drastic moves, although there were statements that, in principle, there is such a possibility, yes, that brussels will used, well, such, that punitive, yes , mechanisms, but really mechanisms, in relation to poland, yes, in relation to polish carriers, which would force them to compromise, so i am sure that negotiations are really underway at all levels , as i already said, an attempt to find some common points of contact in order to unblock the borders, because everyone bears losses, ukraine in the first place, of course, here, all these efforts take place every day, but here, we will really, we will first to follow, yes, here is what the council of the eu will say with issues of infrastructure transport

, and what will be, will any decisions really be made at all, will there be at least some statements in this direction, and from this it will be possible to draw, let's say, at least some conclusions, where the situation will develop in the coming days and weeks, ms. olga, you have already mentioned the transport commission that is supposed to meet today, which was initiated by poland, but it is also known that famous representatives of slovakia and hungary are supposed to speak at this commission, why i say famous, because we know which now the policy of hungary and slovakia towards ukraine, and these two countries are led by the pro-russian. the prime ministers are now trying their best to make life difficult for us, and are there any grounds and reasons to think that today's meeting will not actually change anything, and it can only deepen this conflict and this situation, because slovakia and hungary can really be on this commission not quite defending, let's say

, the ukrainian position, on the contrary, only making this conflict more difficult for us, what is your assessment? on the one hand yes, and on the other side, you know, once again i wanted to remind , for example, that on another issue, on the issue , for example, of the start of negotiations regarding ukraine's accession to the eu, the response of the european commission in hungary and its, to put it mildly, such an unconstructive position and some excessive criticism, regarding these steps, was unequivocal , and the answer was that no, we are doing everything right, and negotiations with ukraine should be started, so with regard to accession, accordingly, in this situation, a lot will really depend, well, first of all from what exactly they look like, what facts will be on the table, let's say yes, yes, what arguments will be on the table from all sides, but here is precisely the moment that from such a meeting, and from the meeting of this particular commission, and from the meeting of this subcommittee should have started in general,

so to speak, and here is the dialogue component, if there really was any situation of distortion. there on the market and so on, well, it was necessary to start with just that, and definitely not with blocking the border and definitely not with the creation of these artificial obstacles to the traffic flow between ukraine and the european union, therefore in fact, we are really waiting, we are waiting for results or any statements, i do not think, by the way, that slovakia and hungary will have there, but i will say this, success yes with their provocatively pro-russian position, and most likely, by the way, i am the opposite. .. that they can achieve the opposite in this sense, because the irritation on the part of the european union, the european commission is also growing, regarding such positions, understanding, let's keep in mind the fact that hungary is a subsidy country that uses billions of euros from the eu budget successfully , it is not always transparent, accordingly, there are many internal and internal such, let’s say, direct discussions regarding this and

the positions of these two countries, and we will have to seek a dialogue with poland with polish carriers, and here it is very good that ukraine also takes and shows absolutely such a constructive position that we are ready to seek compromise, we are ready to make some, even to meet, demands of polish carriers, but really there are some things that are absurd, that are unacceptable, but ms. olga, let's talk about absurd demands, you know, when greed breeds poverty, well, the demands are realistic, which... in principle could be achieved, implemented in order to unfreeze the border, because this is not a matter, and we understand, i do not, i do not take lightly, so to speak, polish carriers , we understand that a significant part of them can be manipulated, from one side or another, on the other hand , we understand that civil society in poland very often defends its normal superficial interests in this way, that is, people

there are ready to go out for a penny, and i also think that, well, it is generally normal. so when certain trade unions start in this way, let it be a minus for us, of course and so on, it is not profitable for us, but on the other hand, it is normal when people start to protect their interests, so where is the limit of compromises? here the question is, first of all, the format, and here is the protection of compromises, the protection of interests, as i have already said, yes, that is, it was not necessary to start with blocking, because blocking, it can be like the last such step, yes, because this is already blackmail, in fact, and when we say no, nothing happened, we talked, talked, you there, i don’t know, such negotiations were held for weeks, months and nothing came of it, then i would understand such a step of desperation, yes, and that’s what we do there, in fact, if we talk about the limit of compromises, we know that this is a long conversation , but about the road system and what the polish side says about their

request to include polish drivers in this road system, here is the ukrainian one. i would look at it more broadly, here it is necessary, i think that it is really necessary, probably from the ukrainian side, to also talk about the synchronization of work systems in general, introduced whether polish drivers or polish companies are the way to our system, and what, i don't know if it's something there, it synchronizes, it synchronizes the systems, it allows us to see, let's say, movement yes, and from one side and the other side, respectively, gives the opportunity and polish companies, well, let's say, it's better... to manage their own fleets, they also want from this point of view, of course, to actually increase their level of competitiveness a little on the ukrainian market, on the other hand, we know very well that the main, probably such , that is the main motive of these blockings, these of the protests were the fears of polish

carriers regarding the growth of ukrainian competition on the european union market, but this is precisely where the european commission brussels should come into play, as the central authority that makes decisions in this regard, because with all due respect to our polish colleagues, usually do ukrainian companies also have to adhere to, for example, higher standards that operate in the territory of the european union, there must be some more, i don't know, if there are any additional requirements, then they should be discussed, but just like that, because we are afraid of competition, and ukrainian carriers or logistics companies are in some ways more efficient and more successful, well , probably still, again, this is the wrong reaction, yes, if the market reacts and simply uses more services ukrainian companies, so there are two of these components here. and therefore once again, yes, i still have enough hope that the european union, the european commission, specifically the council of europe, will try to somehow

influence this situation and solve these question, slovaks, why, well, we understand that the poles occupied a rather powerful place in the european transport market, the slovaks, what a company, they have nothing to do, they decided to block these transitions, you know, from the side of... hungary and slovakia, it seems to me, really, this is such a thing, they support any, ah, i will use this word, such two , yes, which are actually directed, yes, here are some negative steps towards ukraine, unfortunately, this is a political reality on today, and here you can be emotional, of course there you can be offended, feels about it, how, how, well, of course , we, we can't be happy about it, i'll say so, but i would very much on this occasion also there, well, no... we need to do some drama and tragedy again, because here, after all, our main counterparties, our, let's say , partners, partners, after all, i believe,

and colleagues with whom we need to talk, are exactly polish carriers, exactly polish logistics companies, and we need to focus on this, and less pay attention to all these provocative statements, which are endless will rush now and then from the side of hungary or slovakia, after all, it's more like you know, white noise and hype about it. mrs. olga, as the classics said, it was 1919, the situation on the polish-ukrainian border was tense, the directorate believed that everything would be fine on the ukrainian-romanian border, but it did not happen as it was remembered, but i just want to imagine , i don’t even want to imagine, but somehow it seems that something could happen, that we get a problem on the romanian border as well, no, no some signals. from romania or moldova? you know, in fact, until today , in any case, no, and that’s good, and here , for sure, we saw, by the way, the situation with

agricultural products, yes, with the same, similar, or rather, yes, crisis, and with regard to the export of ukrainian agricultural products, primarily grain, and that romania took, well , the most, i would say, still an adequate position and less, such... less critical, less negative, and rather was ready to go to negotiations and in principle was ready for dialogue, and therefore in this situation for now there are no such fears, once again, because we will return to the fact that we have already mentioned, after all, the main role here is played by the economic interests of polish carriers on the european market. mrs. olga, we have to communicate with you now, because something clicked, and the connection or the sound, to be precise, significantly. while we wait for the opportunity to recruit ms. olga, i would like to quote our ambassador to poland, vasyl zvarych, who stated that

there is no reason to further block the border, and this is actually what ms. olga said, when it came down to it, if we really had several months of negotiations and there were no concessions, this is one situation, but when we talk about the fact that we immediately left and started blocking, it really looks like blackmail, well, there were such stories and in the history of ukraine. when people took and left , you know, that is, then someone wondered, well, very often people react in their own way, but i do not deny that this is a staged story, well, a key story, who will be the main beneficiary of the foundation, but olga trofimtseva with us in touch again, yes, but a second and she will come back to us, so i think that this story is, on the one hand, political, manipulative, on the other hand, it is also a story about money. also, yes, we, well, we are looking at polish blockers, well, maybe not fully even understanding what is being done in our market of large, cargo transportation, yes, and

that too. history, but mrs. olga is with us again, well, marta, let's ask about what to expect for us, modest ukrainian consumers, we understand that a large part of the goods enters to us by land, not by ships, ships , apparently, and accordingly, the border is blocked, we don’t know what will happen there in the second week, well, how much longer will we have to live in this regime, and yes, we said briefly about romania, that after all, the interests of mainly polish carriers play a role here, and in this situation, that is why i was much less worried about romania, and it is not necessary, i think, to think that the situation with our romanian colleagues will worsen , what should we expect, it is clear that any such interruptions, yes any situations of artificial restriction of import, export, anything, first of all,

for example, fuel, we know that this is so, despite the fact that there were promises to allow fuel, and there is gasoline, diesel, everything else, and humanitarian aid, as well there were cases that these cargoes were delayed, unfortunately, at the border, and this will affect pricing, it will affect, perhaps, minor such situations with some temporary lack of some goods in stock there, but i do not think that it is simply critical, yes, for today... the day, in any case, we are not there reasons to say that directly, let's say , this blocking will lead to, i don't know , some kind of serious deficit there or to some kind of jump, some kind of jump in the prices of products or some other goods, but of course once again the situation will depend, or rather, this question will depend on, first of all, how long the situation will continue at the border, and whether it will be possible

to block at least partially, so that, for example, we have already seen the first steps today, there are still empty empty trucks so that you can at least to go and load, yes, without these downtimes and everything else, at one of the crossings, and accordingly, whether they will pass without, without questions, first of all, fuel, which is necessary in order to, well, in order to everything was functioning, starting from the armed forces, ending, of course, with all... all components of supply chains in ukraine itself, so far there have been no reports from ours, including market operators, that the situation is extremely critical, so there is hope that in principle the market will continue more or less, more or less, let's say, according to the circumstances, but nevertheless function more or less normally, thank you, olga trofimtseva, ex-ambassador on special assignments of the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, former

minister of agrarian policy and ukraine, doctor of agrarian sciences , was with us and we discussed the situation, the dynamic situation, as ms. olga mentioned, regarding the situation on the border with the ukrainian and polish sides, as well as the slovak side, and we hope that the romanians and moldova will not be next countries that will also join this protest, since it is really important for us that our neighbors help us in the confrontation with the russian ... federation, and now it is extremely important for us, yes, you are right, but the key story is to develop certain mechanisms, certain algorithms of actions, yes, which would allow us to enter into some serious negotiations with the polish blockaders now, we understand that we do not have time, and winter is coming, the issue with fuel, the issue, i don’t know, with the unloading of the border, so that we could at least drive in humanitarian cargoes, they are not blocked, but you understand this way, if the border is blocked, well,

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