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yesterday we landed, stormed this position and the coach died here, today this position is already ours and we took revenge for him. russian troops continue offensive operations near avdiivka, where they recently made advances, analysts of the american study institute. war footage

published on november 28 and its location confirmed on december 2 shows that russian occupying forces have advanced west of the railway, north of stepovoy, that is 3 km northwest of avdiyivka, additional geolocation footage published on december 2 shows the advance of russian troops to the southwest of pervomaiskyi. it is 10 km southwest of avdiivka. the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine reports that. the military does not stop trying to sharpen avdiivka, but the ukrainian military is on the defensive. as of december 3, the armed forces of ukraine repelled 25 russian attacks in six districts, including avdiivka, the military department said. well , the head of the avdiivka city military administration, vitaly barabash, said that during the third wave of assaults on avdiivka, the russian military opened two additional directions of attack on the industrial zone, that is , southeast of avdiivka, and from the side of the village of spartak. for the word. barabasha russian military is waiting

for the improvement of weather conditions to again use heavy equipment for assaults. well , barabash also reported on the public air that there are 2.5 months' worth of food in avdiivka. in mid-october, the russian army stepped up fighting for the city of avdiyivka, which is located, let me remind you, 15 km from occupied donetsk, and the current offensive is called the largest since 2014 . joins our broadcast. andrii kramerov, military expert, reserve officer of the armed forces of ukraine. andrew, good evening. i congratulate you. i will begin by introducing the institute for the study of war again. here they are it is reported that the russian army has opened two additional lines of attack to the industrial zone to the southeast, east of the city, and that russia is having some success in the avdiiv direction. how significant are these successes from your point of view? at the moment, these successes can be determined, well, exclusively. tactical

level, that is, the only thing to note about this third wave of the offensive on avdiivka, which began about two weeks ago, or what made it different from the previous two, is that in the previous two the russians tried more to advance to encircle, in the second attempt they tried, let's say this, there were certain attempts to attack the avdiiv coke plant, accordingly, they were also unsuccessful, in this third wave, the russians are trying, following the directions written by the institute for the study of war, to enter the industrial zone itself, so that from the industrial zone, already have the opportunity, well roughly speaking, to storm the city of avdiyivka itself, and accordingly in this way impose on the armed forces of ukraine, well, heavy urban battles, at the moment, the russians are actually succeeding in this

direction, well, in fact, there are no, their advances at the tactical level, or further north , for example, they just tentatively take control of the gray zone, they can’t handle the avdiiv coke-chemical plant, at the moment they are already, well, even if they don’t make any active attempts, they tried at the very beginning, but actively that is, last week to enter the promzona, but accordingly, from there they were actually, well, simply knocked back , that is, they did not succeed there, therefore, at the moment, avdiivka itself is a height, and accordingly, to lose it, well, from a strategic point of view for armed forces of ukraine is very, very well, it is quite undesirable , because as difficult as the russians are capturing it now, the same can be expected by the armed forces of ukraine in the event that we lose, why is it so difficult for russia to capture this

city now, just like that, because avdiivka, as it is sometimes called, is in fact, firstly, it is the gate to donets, and secondly, as i said. that this is a very important operational height on this part of the front, from which it is possible to control a fairly significant, well, the armed forces of ukraine, that is, from the city itself, which is actually located on such a large hill, it is possible to further control a fairly significant area of ​​the front and, accordingly , the russians will also conditionally secure donetsk for themselves, in the event that they take avdiivka, the last one after avdiivka, i want to clarify what advantages it currently has... russian the army in the avdiiv direction, only quantitatively, is there anything else? nothing, quantitatively and the possibility of application, very big problems, unfortunately for us now, bring the application of tactical aviation, these are multi-purpose fighters and

bombers, these are su-30, su-34, su-35, and one of the biggest problems is the use, well, quite active use by the russians, of modified avi...' bombs, in avdivka, they used a high-explosive bomb for the first time, well, no, not a high-explosive, cluster, aerial bomb, on which this icbm module was also installed, which effectively turns it into a modified aerial bomb. i understand you, then the next question, it will already concern the shaheds, recently radio electronics specialists wrote that there are supposedly new thermobaric shaheds in russia, but later this information not confirmed. but still there is information that the combat part of these drones, geranium, is new and that it is much more powerful, they write that it has a charge of 40 km, how much more dangerous are these drones compared to those that russia had and used there before, and does

this mean that the russian military-industrial complex has mastered some new capabilities and new technologies? well, there are not so many new technologies here, just the first shahedis that we saw. there a little over a year ago, they were iranian, purely iranian production, and let's be honest that with , let's say, with the fact that, with the moment when ukraine began to receive more and more modern means of air defense, the effectiveness of the shaheds, in general, dropped to almost zero , the only plus was that well, for them, that they were thus depleting our supplies. rather expensive western missiles for anti-aircraft missile systems. but, having realized that the efficiency is quite low, the russian military industry, first of all their design engineers who work, in particular with curled missiles, they began to improve, improve shahed,

so a new navigation and guidance system was installed on it, so it was installed on it. now, let's put it this way, it 's not, well, there's nothing new here, because this combat unit, it's actually still a soviet development and a soviet combat unit from a certain type of missile, but nevertheless, yes, it has a larger, with the same conventional weight of 40-50 km, it has an order of magnitude higher impact effect and, accordingly, explosive inertia. so yes, these shaheds, they became more dangerous, they became more difficult to detect and, accordingly, defeat, so here we are in principle and in the end, we see, well, a certain decrease. although, on the other hand, it should be noted that if the armed forces of ukraine still try to shoot them down, mainly

with the use of mobile fire groups, as you show, and cheetah complexes, in order not to spend on the shaheds, missiles for anti-aircraft missile systems, andriy, the washington post also writes that the publication made an analysis of the ukrainian counteroffensive and writes that there were...' certain disagreements between the western vision of how this counteroffensive should be, what it should be, and the plans of the general staff of the armed forces, and that, as they say, the usa and its allies insisted on some point operations in order to cut off russia from crimea, instead, the ukrainian military leadership, valery zaluzhny, in particular insisted on operations along the entire front line, and now this is all very actively discussed in the information space, but the question of whether it was possible, whether it is possible to cut off russia from crimea at all, but they do not distract... its reserves and resources in other areas of the front, and what with from your point of view, why is there such a radically

different vision of strategy in ukraine and in the west? well, in fact, i have great doubts that the western strategy, it could bring results, because how are we, because in such a case russia, which in principle had at that time and was actively conducting mobilization and had reserves, in the event , if we even for... a powerful blow, but more point-wise, the russians would simply take the booths to the points on which we strike, they would withdraw the maximum from the front, in principle the same as us, to things, so they saw after the armed forces of ukraine took over the works, well, they just had everything free, even not free, that was on the front, they immediately threw it there, the same thing would have happened, accordingly, at these points , which, as noted by the west and western generals, respectively, the tactics are clear. it was the logic of valery fyodorovych zaluzhnyi, which was that it was necessary to maintain

tension along the entire front line in order not to give the russians the opportunity to transfer their free, well, free resources to certain points on which we will strike. well, in general, in principle, well, you can again say that the counteroffensive was unsuccessful, well , you can’t completely either, because what was destroyed was simply, well, an extremely large number of forces and for the enemy, records were set there, for the amount of equipment destroyed, for example , the enemy, secondly, after all, well, this war, it is quite new, and let's say this, the models that exist, according to which planning and verification are carried out in the same armies of the united states, in the same army of the united states of america , they maybe even at the moment, well, they are irrelevant considering the challenges that russia is currently putting before us... on the front. but in general, i believe that if, based on

the results of that, it is necessary to analyze what was done successfully, what was done unsuccessfully, to draw certain conclusions, in order to, well, not repeat the mistakes we made in the future, but this such a complex war in which, unfortunately, neither side can do without mistakes. well, it is obvious that in order to continue the war , the ukrainian army needs... people, and it has been more than six months since the president signed a bill on lowering the conscription age from 27 to 25. bloomberg wrote over the weekend that this bill would allow ukraine to conscript 1,400 people into the army. the ukrainian authorities did not comment on this, just this information, but it's no secret that increasing the scale of mobilization , well, there is no absolute support in society , and please tell me if the president signs this bill after all, because the deputies on... and the military insist, how additional mobilization would strengthen the position of ukraine already in

the next stage of the war and in general, do you have any idea how many people the armed forces need in the next year, well, first of all, it is worth understanding that our enemy is mobilizing 15-20,000 every month in the conditions of this, well, if it is hidden, as it is called , although it is an open mobilization, that is, the russians started this war, and entering ukraine in 2000, now the number of russians is from 400 to 450,000, now the issue of demobilization is being actively discussed. part of the military, which from the very beginning of the full-scale invasion joined the ranks of the zsu, that is, it is necessary to compensate, and not just compensate, and compensate qualitatively , plus, increase our potential, because, well , our enemy is very many, and we need to respond to it, i will not talk about the numbers, how many we need in general, but

taking into account, well, if, here i am i want to quote, in fact, also a former military man, yevgeny dyky, who said that if we had put 15-2 million into the army at the same time, we would have fought this war with great losses, but we could have won it quite quickly, so on it's a pity, but this is also necessary, well, in the dialog to explain to our society that, unfortunately , we need to increase the number of our troops, and the last question, we are going to talk about it now, but there is a discussion in ukrainian society, politics and not only in ukrainian about a possible conflict between zelenskyi and zaluzhnyi, well he is still fueled by statements that ukraine allegedly does not have a war plan for the next year, please tell me how they might react to these conversations and what the military, well, from your entourage, for example, say? well, look,

there is a plan for the next greek, it's just that, you know, this now we have one drawback. for some reason she said this with a plan, no, there are certain, let's say , plans, there are, it's not a plan, it's plans, certain plans, and accordingly a request for what resources are needed for him, for the implementation of these plans, that's all yes, this has been brought to the level of the supreme commander, and accordingly , to say that we do not have a plan for war is absolutely incorrect. as for the conflict there, as many claim, well, first of all, it is worth knowing that the russians are very active, in fact, when problems begin on the front, we immediately start to appear an insane number of allegations about the conflict in the military-political leadership of ukraine, and these allegations appear almost from the very beginning of the full-scale

invasion, that is, very serious pressure is being exerted in the information field on ukrainian society, i understand. that their own propaganda for export does not make sense, let's just say, it doesn't make any sense, the russians began to work very actively with influential western mass media, and we can in some of them, here was a very cool example, it was when jen stolteng spoke out, that f16 is not the silver bullet, which is capable of killing a certain, well, conditional monster, was very clearly visible outside... the western media, who cooperates more closely and who cooperates less with the russians, from how in general this quote was ultimately, well, in a certain way adjusted and corrected, i will only add that ukrainian media are already writing about the conflict between saluzhny and zelsky, we will talk about it further, i thank you very much, andriy kramerov, military expert, officer of the reserve of the armed forces of ukraine, we

talked about the situation at the front, thank you very much. support our work, like this broadcast, and here we have a report from the village of ocheretyne, it is 20 km from avdiivka, it is under constant shelling, there has been no electricity for a long time, while people continue to live there, an exclusive report from our colleagues from tv channel nastoyashe vremya. local residents of a front-line village near the building destroyed by a russian airstrike last month. reeds, trees damaged by the blast wave and fragments are cut, while there are no rains, dry while there are no rains, dry wood for firewood for a small house, heat the samovar , you have to take a bath somehow, everything is drowning with a burgundy , there are nine of us in the basement, and we are drowning, anyway , the tree is all dead, what can you do, what has already been sawed, men and women carry it home, in

this p "yatipovtsi has no windows from shelling for a long time, and last month several apartments burned down due to shelling... all who remain live in the basement. well, you can sit around the house, in general, that's how we live. we are already praying that at least the basements will survive. as they start shooting, the arrivals go, we we hide immediately, we don't come out, well, whatever happens, happens, we hope that everything will be fine. we hope that everything will be fine, we started flying here often after the so-called avdiiv exacerbation, around the house in... here is one, here are two, there is another one, one in the garage, and many around the factory , they shot from the plane, one, well, there are many at the factory. near the plane ocheredyn is located near the occupied village of krasnogohorivka. this is the northern flank of the avdiiv direction. the so-called road of life passes through the village to avdiivka itself.

once a relatively backcountry area, but now everything has changed. under fire from all sides, i start from krasnogovka, and in the direction of krasnogovka, the steppe, everything reaches chereting. that is, it is difficult to call it a rear town, because it is under fire, there is no light. despite its proximity to avdiyivka, and therefore to occupied donetsk, before the full-scale invasion of russia, ocheretyne was actively developing, says the head of the local military administration, mykola kovalenko. a modern center of social services was built from scratch, as well as a security center where they were based police and rescuers. yes , they did not even work for six months, they , we punished him in october 21st, and already in march they left witzel, because it was no longer possible to stay here, and in 2017 , the largest school in the community was reconstructed here, in in which 350 children studied , the former palace of culture was repaired the year before last,

now it is all badly damaged by shelling, they planned to build a swimming pool next to the school, we already had a project and were already in the plans for two years of construction of the swimming pool, reconstruction, i.e. the community lived such a very, very active life and it is now being destroyed and today there is not a single one of the 10 schools in the whole, i.e. all have been damaged, five have already been completely destroyed, before the invasion of russia approximately 400 people lived in ocheretiny, according to the local authorities, now they 647 remained in the village. after the start of the russian assaults in the avdiiv direction , more than 100 people left, including 15 - children from dangerous minors who were forcibly evacuated, the head of the local military administration is sure that people will return here in the future, he says, there will be something here to rebuild, and therefore there will be work

, although he adds, everything depends on the armed forces, i think that the community has a future, when our entire territory returns, there will be a lot of work, therefore, and if there is work, then there will be people, they will return and they will work, that is, people go where there is work, not where there is a house or something else, but where there is work, where there is work, where there is income, people go there. oleksiy prodayvoda, mykola ryshchenko and andriy ustinkin, radio liberty. president of ukraine volodymyr zelsky talks with some commanders of the armed forces, bypassing the commander-in-chief valery zaluzhnyi, which prevents the latter from commanding the entire army. this is reported by our fellow journalists. ukrainian pravda with reference to its sources in power. the newspaper published a long article about the reasons for the conflict between the president and the commander-in-chief of the armed forces. i note here that

the world media has been discussing the conflict that allegedly arose between zelensky and zaluzhny against the background of the failures of the ukrainian counteroffensive at the front for a month. so, according to sources of ukrainian truth, zelensky created, as the publication says, parallel tracks for communication with the commanders of various branches of the military, and this communication, which takes place in a way that bypasses the usual, is very important. inspires the commander-in-chief, the authors of the publication quote their interlocutor. the nature of the tension between zelsky and zaluzhny arises from the intermingling of war and politics. zelenskyi brought elements of politics to the leadership of the army, i.e. to the area of ​​responsibility of the commander. instead , the commander-in-chief of the armed forces against his own will became a noticeable phenomenon in political reality, that is, in the sphere of the president's vital interests, ukrainian pravda states. because, like zelsky carried out military penetration. the sphere of zaluzhnyi , as well as the head, without actually doing anything for it, invaded the political field of zelenskyi. zaluzhnyi does not make political statements, does not have a party or any

public movement or foundation, but the office of the president of ukraine regularly orders sociology, and zaluzhnyi's indicators are steadily growing and growing. i will remind you that at the beginning of november, zaluzhny announced the stalemate in the war from the pages of the economy magazine. zelensky publicly disagreed with him, and later in an interview with the british. edusan scoreboard the president warned the military against politics. well, i will also remind you that at the end of last week, in a commentary on radio liberty, the adviser to the head of the president's office, mykhailo podolyak, denied the conflict between zelsky and zaluzhny. joining our broadcast is roman romaniuk, journalist of ukrainian pravda, co-author of the publication about the confrontation between zaluzhny and zelskyi. roman good evening. good evening. your post is built on the statements and judgments of your sources, and it seems they are all there. anonymous, you do not mention their positions and names. and i i saw a lot of critical comments today on social networks, they also complain about your work, and that's why i can't help but

ask you. why are you writing about this, why is it important for society to know that there was a conflict between zaluzhny and zelsky during the war. what can such a publication change, or what do you have in front of yourself, what goal did you set for yourself as authors? well, first of all, it's strange for me to hear a question from you, why are you writing this, i 'll tell you, a counter question, why are you making this broadcast, because this is my quota and yours. respectively and to obtain information and give it to people, so that it will not be a shock for them later that something is happening, yes, but it is very easy to slip into some kind of propaganda and complacency, i don’t know what he actually lives for, there is the whole telethon and telegram and, to a large extent, youtube ukrainian , yes, but if it has nothing to do with the work of the media, roman, why

don't you sometimes be invited to a marathon? today, you know, we went to very different places, but somehow the marathon didn't happen. of course, roman, i'm asking because i certainly understand why you're doing it, yes, i can explain, but i'm sure that very a large part of our audience, and perhaps your audience, really believe that such publications somehow, shall we say, contribute to the disappearance of unity, although i personally do not agree with this very much. what is wrong with a doctor who gives you a diagnosis, if the reason is not in the doctor and not in the diagnosis, but a correctly made diagnosis is half the way to treatment, yes, journalism is a kind of public diagnostician who says that there is a problem, there may be a problem here, and you need to pay attention to this, so if you bet journalists are asked what they write , well, it is as strange as possible, so first of all, and

secondly, if you carefully read ours , the word conflict was never used there, it was used once in an ironic context, in an embarrassing manner, in relation to the publication of our western colleagues , because there is an explanation for this, i think there are several even these explanations, first of all, the fact that this tension between the supreme commander and the commander-in-chief, by and large , cannot be a conflict, only to that extent. in which there can be no conflict between subordinates and his direct supervisor, as it were, because the very work of this subordinate depends on the decisions of his supervisor, and, if i think everyone remembers, that general zaluzhnyi was appointed to the position of the head of the armed forces by none other than volodymyr oleksandrovich zelskyi, and no one else can accept decision on

resignation or transfer or any other personnel, personnel rotation, in relation to the commander-in-chief and any other commander in the armed forces, so if it is important for us to understand what is happening between them, and how much this tension critical, to the extent that it interferes with the normal functioning of the army and communications, the general staff and the president's office, it is important to understand this, so that later, when, for example, zelensky in his characteristic manner decides not to explain anything to anyone, but simply to replace... so that at least we understand, naturally, why it happened and that it did not happen on some level ground, so that there was some history of the relationship and it is as of today as we recorded it in this text, and we, obviously, with my colleague roman krovets, the co-author of the text, well , at the end, they quite unambiguously expressed their position that the resignation of the incumbent will not bring the desired consequences, because the cause of this

tension between zelenskyi and the incumbent is not personal, but, that is, from the change of the person in the incumbent’s chair, if the main ones the reasons for this tension will not disappear, but there will be a great risk of some kind of social split and some kind of split in the army and between the army and the government, so if the preservation of this unity is some kind of main message of our text, yes, but what a real the situation, it seems to me, should have been recorded and shown to the reader. and accordingly to your viewers and everyone else. roman, you point out with a reference to a source that there is an impression that after the arrival of the head of the pentagon, lloyd austin, zelsky came close to the decision to replace the deputy, i will quote it, so that it is clear to our audience. the source tells you: on the contrary, quarrels disappeared on the ponds, jokes began, but this is very cold and caustic humor. president.