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a war going on, and not only for territories, it is also a war for minds, we are engaged in propaganda. russia is throwing millions of petrodollars into turning ukrainians into little russians. ukraine will become countering russian information attacks in the chronicles of information war project with olga ley. on monday, tuesday, thursday fr 17:15 on espresso tv channel. we 're coming back, thank you for watching, and we 'll continue right away about very important things that will be important to us for many years to come. i 'm talking about our almost beginning of european integration in a practical way, on december 15-16 we expect these changes and now we will talk about it with the director of the institute of central european strategy, dmytro tuzh. in particular

, we will talk about whether meetings at the level of the highest and joint bodies of the european union have already been announced in chika, which recommend starting a real process for ukraine european integration is no longer at the level of consultations, at the level of practical actions, whether they will be stopped by the hands of two or maybe three members of the european union, we know from where we know that even practical moments, this does not mean that tomorrow or in a week we will be in the european union, it will start very long, but will they start, let's ask dmytro tuzhanskyi, mr. dmytro, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, yes, they tell us that you are not the best, we already see you, the director of the institute of central european strategy and the founder project, reopen a person who knows very well.

hungary, hungarian politics and their official such, i would say, hostile to ukraine, 10 days before the summit, and orbán says, no, it is not possible to discuss even the issue of ukraine's accession, which he wants that time, in my opinion, before the visit charles michel to budapest, can you hear me, hear me, it was so simple that the picture stuck a little. but we hear, we listen to you, yes, that is, before the visit of charles michel to budapest, this is exactly a week, exactly a week ago, even such the demands of official budapest , and this will surprise many, among those demands there is no, for example , ensuring the rights of the hungarian national minority, so we have heard, i don’t know, in recent years and so on, so on, and that ukraine, if it does, will now to do through changes to the legislation and it should be done

, again, what is in those demands, of course, money , that is, orban is interested in money in general, and first of all those, well, they are now talking about 22 billion euros, which through structural funds, that is, through this seven-year budget, hungary now has to receive, which it has not received since 2020 year, due to problems with the rule of law, the second condition, well, to this condition, what to add, viktor orbán's goal to receive this money without significant conditions, that is, that he could spend it with the existing hungarian legislation on anti-corruption, anti-monopoly legislation and tenders, i.e. well, i will use it as he usually used it and because of which there were questions to him, yes, because there are issues of corruption, transparency, conflict, they are very, very atypical for the european union, the fact that how it is happening in hungary, the second and the father's

condition is the most important . the second condition is actually he describes it in such a way that, like, it is necessary to really discuss the position of the european union regarding ukraine. russian aggression in ukraine, in general, ukraine's future in the european union. well, it is very vague, what is behind it. in fact, viktor orban understands that the european union is entering the next stage of internal reforms, reforms that are related to expansion and potential expansion in 2030, this is not only the entry of ukraine, but also the entry into the balkans, and it is about a change of internal configurations that pose a threat to viktor orbán in view of his behavior, yes, that is... all these blackmails, blockades and so on, of viktor orbán, encourage the european union to reconsider in some issues, this criterion of unity, which is logical, yes, that is why viktor orbán, because of this conflict, is making a firm effort, you know, if i were to defend my

position, i don't know some bonuses, guarantees and so on, and the like, the third condition is even more eccentric than the previous one, unrealistic, in my opinion, but it's in viktor's style. on three conditions, one of them is the most adequate, all the rest is to talk and be to delay time, this condition refers to the fact that the current president of the european commission, mrs. ursula fonderlein, should not be the president of the european commission in the next term, i.e. after the elections to the european parliament, well, you know, it is not for viktor orbán to say that, he understands it perfectly, but you know that, that the trick he played in '18 and previous years with mr. junker. well, even these boards, it’s just deja vu for me, you know how such a politician is, i don’t know how to describe him correctly, but viktor orban is not particularly stressed, that is what he wants to screw up now, he has already screwed up more than once with brussels, with the european union, he takes advantage of the fact that the authorities in

brussels and the people in brussels are changing, he is always in power, that is, he is pulling the same tricks with everyone, and mr. dmytro, but i have such when you spoke about this. orban's hotel, bending three fingers, i have a feeling that viktor fodorovych yanukovych bit him, because when he talks about the 30th year, where does orban have the confidence that in 2030 the orban factor as a politician will still exist, well, he is officially announced, yes, that he will be ready to lead the country, he is in good physical shape, well, look, i know, i don't want to just repeat everything that viktor orbán says, you know, because even he himself once said that don't look at what i'm saying, look, what am i doing, he 's already calling himself the niji government now, and well, in short , it's kind of a story, but you'll understand, a man has ambitions, a man has a plan, and i 'll tell you that i wouldn't underestimate him, here i

it seems to be one of the biggest problems, or not problems, things that we have to fix this is from the ukrainian side and from the brussels side, we underestimate orbán, no... we cannot consider him to this, we believe that he is having fun, frivolous, there he will give in, that is, or he will fail, so he will fail in the elections will it fail economically, well, since 2010, the man has already been in power for the fourth term with a constitutional majority, yes, so you know, about 2030, if, well, let him be in power for as long as you like, the main thing is that he votes for the accession of ukraine . ukraine to the european union, we don't care, it's the choice of the hungarians, well, they want it such a leader, they like it so much, that's great, they want to listen to all these populist tales, that's great, so what, let him vote for ukraine's accession to the european union, the opening of negotiations and all other issues, you say well, mr. dmytro,

accordingly, we are interested in two points , actually one, but these are two options for the development of events, or viktor orbán, who does not change his position, his views, it would be good for us if he stopped...' being such an important person in hungary, accordingly, the question of hungarians, the views of hungarians and whether they are ready for it support, whether orban's support is falling among the population is one thing, if orban remains orban and in power, does brussels have some really effective leverage, some yes, some options, how to put orban in his place, just bypass this factor of his and to continue to work effectively, and that is in the direction in which, of course, ukraine is also interested, well, look, in terms of ratings , orban is absolutely calm, he has generally been a bit bored in domestic politics since 2014, he rebuilt the country, he took it over, in principle , gradually captures further, now in local self-government is his turn, that is

, local elections will be held in hungary at the same time as the elections to the european parliament, despite the good results of the last local elections, viktor orbán basically lost, that is, in 10-12... large cities, the mayors were in the opposition, now he wants to take revenge, and this is again part of the campaign, well, there he has a local campaign, and this european campaign, it should also be taken into account that hungary... will preside over the european union in the second part of next year, and again, this is all these the whole debate with the european union is a preparation for all this yes, that is, it's orbán's game, so i would, well, you know, look, it's again, it 's not our business, the hungarians choose who they want, yes, secondly, i would did not call orbán unyielding, these are his blackmails and ultimatums, this is just an invitation to negotiations, that’s right, he invites to negotiations, this must be understood, thirdly, i would not transfer everything to brussels, that is, if we have, well, our own order day, and there

will be accession to the european union, we also have to rely on brussels and coordinate with them actions, this is what we are doing now, in fact , it is not bad for us, it seems to me that since august, everything is getting better and better, well, this is another attempt, there in principle, well, if we had done it before, when appropriate solutions were needed, yes , but it is very important to build, well, very pragmatic ones. i would say even possibly cynical, so viktor orbán is making relations directly with his team, but it is very important, this, to build directly with his office, because but we have, look, viktor orbán, mr. dmytro, we have one minute, but we we have a whole case which all of this was preceded, on the one hand, by increasingly categorical statements of either siyartu or orbán regarding ukraine, on the other hand, from kyiv we officially do not see an effective key to, as you say, the cynical ones. the negotiations are pragmatic with orban, and there is a third story that took place a few days ago, literally, when the previous

president poroshenko, as the hungarian side now confirms, was supposed to hold these negotiations in order to remove the fact of this ukrainian skepticism, or obstacles on the part of hungary, and he was stopped on the border and developed a whole story from this, by tying up some russian ipso, it means that neither in opposition nor in power do we have the key to the orbans. well, look, this story surrounding the visit of petro poroshenko and a possible meeting with viktor orban looks, well, very, very problematic, that is, even now they are lumping everything together and, well, this is irresponsible politics, i will explain, well, my assessment, first, the ban on leaving to ukrainian politicians, opposition, any, now, when it is important for us to be present at the event, this is a mistake, it cannot be done, under...' such the reason, the second moment, as far as i understand, a meeting was planned between, petro

poroshenko wanted it, between viktor orban in november, yes, that is, not this ban, not related to his planned meeting there with orban or with fico, so now he went to poland and the united states, that is, we have half a minute, mr. dmytro, if possible, finalize it, yes, now i am finalizing it, of course, everyone can agree on any meetings, yes, but you have to understand that from now the ukrainian authorities conducts very serious and non-public, and as for me, well, very, let's say yes, effective negotiations with the hungarian side, yes, and if this meeting of the opposition leader there was not coordinated there with the ukrainian, i don’t know the ministry of foreign affairs, at the level of the parliament, then this is a dangerous thing, although it should not be a reason for a ban on leaving, you understand. what's special, and the last point, well, it's hard for me to imagine this meeting, that's why? what do you understand, petro poroshenko is part of the anti-ukrainian campaign inside

hungary, that is, viktor, yes, but we heard, yes, we heard the main theses that mr. dmytro voiced, and in the end almost the entire summary too heard, dmytro tuzhanskyi, the director of the institute of central european strategy and the founder of the reopen ukraine project was with us, but we immediately continue without leaving. of the same western vector, with us is the deputy chairman of the all-ukrainian agrarian council, denys marchuk. mr. denys, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory to you, because we, we on the western border, want to look professionally through your eyes, we have a history that is beyond the borders, well, let’s say it like this, practical, european, all europeans, in fact, and the government and parliament confirmed that ukraine. according to the prescription of the transport visa-free, while the blockade continues, the only

ray of light is the fact that the slovaks were blocked from one of the crossing points, and the polish blockade continues and continues, and we already have a figure of 9 billion 300 million uah of customs payments were not received by the budget of ukraine, i.e. lost in essence due to this blocking, which will last for a month tomorrow, and it is not known. from your side, the figures, you can already estimate them from the point of view of our agricultural exports, this has always been very important article of our budget, well indeed. the actions performed by polish carriers today do not at all meet the normative and legislative, let's say, requirements that apply in the european union itself, because they violate the very principle of unification of the countries of the european zone, because there is actually a duty-free, unhindered sale program there , the realization of the movement, this is what

the european union is ideologically united around, and such actions of polish carriers, in part, which were joined by words, representatives of slovakia, and they of course, they harm ukrainian-european relations, first of all, but we really have to understand that an agreement was concluded between ukraine and the european union, that is , the european commission, which in the form of certain programs that enable the unhindered, unhindered movement of ukrainian goods, they must act , and the fact that today the european commission is actively involved in solving this problem really contributes to the improvement of our joint relations, moreover, the european commission specifically stated that it will not agree to all demands, which are on the agenda of polish carriers today, they will continue to insist that without such visa-free travel for carriers, and this is correct in principle, as for the losses that ukrainian business bears today, these are indeed

direct and indirect losses, direct losses in two weeks reached more for ukrainian companies. 400 million euros, that is, we can count for almost a month already, that is, this figure could have doubled, and the indirect losses are related to the fact that we, as aa business, which has its counterparties in europe, in fact, will not be able to to fulfill future and delivered contracts, because the end of november, december is an active phase when business starts to renew new agreements, accordingly, when there is such a difficulty with the delivery of products, we understand that counterparties located in the european union. they will revise their, let's say, views on who to conclude agreements with, so their losses will be in the 24th year, in the 24th year even bigger, bigger and they will be really heavy, the kind that will cause damage, damage has already been done, because actually since november the month of land our exports actually reduced the total exports by 40%, and all

this will happen on the general economy of our country in such a difficult time for the country. are our partners and neighbors, because i will remind you that in may the ban on imports was introduced, which in principle continues to be in effect, then our agricultural companies switched, looking for new counterparties in the european zone in order to to sell their products, and then the next stage is this blockade, which was used by polish carriers, we hope that in fact those communication platforms that started working in the near future will be able to solve the situation, because already now, in principle , the ukrainian side has proposed a route for let's say the passage of unloaded cars that can calmly walk without queuing, i think that there

will be more and more positive moments that would satisfy the parties, mr. denys, do you already have any corroborating facts somewhere? when, due to the fact that ukrainian carriers did not fulfill their obligations, or are not fulfilling their obligations due to this blocking of the border, they lost contracts for the next year, i.e. can we already say that i don't know 10, 20, 30 companies there refused to cooperate with ukrainians, due to the fact that it is simply not profitable for them, it is inconvenient, because there are no guarantees that it will work, well, i cannot speak for the entire business, i can speak for the structure of the members of our association, directly, so i have such cases that already close to all' contracts not through failure to fulfill the opportunity to deliver their products, in the future they lost some counterparties, now they are looking for others, so this is really, let's say, a concrete story that today lies on the cloaks of ukrainian business, i wanted to ask you, mr. denys, about the so-called grain corridor , we have heard a lot about it, we know that it

existed in different formats, in the format when the russians and turkey were there, they talked about some maximum... profit for erdogan and turkey, which is not at all what it is about importantly for ukraine, and the volumes are not the same. as of now, there is an alternative way, as it were, without russia, where up to 7 million tons of cargo are transported through this so-called black sea grain corridor, but these are not the numbers we needed. the danube route, like the route through the blocked borders, neither by rail nor by any other option, does not give us the numbers we need, we heard. we something about alternative, but quite difficult logistical solutions from our baltic allies, this is just an act of support, are such routes really considered? well, if looking at this humanitarian corridor as a whole, it additionally strengthened the overall export from ukraine, because despite the situation with the bombing, shelling,

commercial ships enter the ports of great odesa and this gives an additional opportunity to ship the grain oil group, because what you say a total of 7 million, there is not only the agricultural group, there are various groups of goods, and in general this gave an impetus to lower the cost of chartering ships, both in small river ports and directly in large ports... which gives an additional price to the offer within the country for ukrainian merchandisers, who have been working for the second year already , is broken, and indeed, today we are considering the possibilities of attracting various corridors, but we must understand that logistics is being built there, for example, in such a way that, let's say, it is not more expensive than the products that you sell, unfortunately, to date, move there in full-scale, large volumes, even to the ports of lithuania and latvia. it is quite expensive, we can export, for example, rapeseed, because it is marginally enough high and transportation costs, they , let's say, do not cover the entire cost

of rapeseed, because if you take, for example, the grain group for wheat, well, there is no economy there at all, therefore certain groups of goods in this direction are moving and will move to a full-scale, let's say yes, at the moment of the opening of the ports of great odesa and those other ports that ukraine can use, i will remind you that a fairly good infrastructure has been built with mykolaiv ports, if we manage to ensure security, it would certainly be an additional tool to increase the export potential from the territory of ukraine. ugh. mr. denys , we literally have a minute left, in view of the situation that it is dangerous and expensive to ship and transport by sea, ukrainian, black sea, land corridors do not always work either, and the cost is also not low, whether ukrainian farmers are considering options , in order to change something, there, or not to plant, not to sow, or to change their own, what, what, what

, in fact, what they sow, plant and export, respectively, will this agrarian structure of ukraine change in the near future as a result of the russian war , it has already partially changed, it does not have such a radical character, but what i have already clarified due to the extremely low price of the grain group, many people reoriented themselves to oil crops, and accordingly, this trend was recorded in 2023 , when they sowed more rapeseed, when they sowed more soybeans, when they focused more on sunflower seeds, but in this season such a character developed that even sunflower seeds, it was too cheap, that is, it was unprofitable, so in general, if you pre-freeze the conditions of the company's training there for spring crops for the 24th year, i think there will also be on... more was done for oil crops, we saw in the 23rd year that ozymyk was sown, it was characterized by a decrease in the number of winter wheat sown, that's why the farmers are really

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