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congratulations, just yesterday the russian propagandists finally read somewhere, in the western media, saw something on social networks and all the russian tv channels reported that it turns out that there are mice in the trenches at the front, give us shock content, a third party has become active at the front, which is terrorizing our soldiers and vysouzhniki. fortifications on all lines were overwhelmed by a horde of rodents, which eat everything in their path, spread joy and squeal deafeningly, but still, judging by the video, mice get much more from the mice than our soldiers. right now, mice continue to capture more and more positions in

the ssu. social networks are abuzz with new shots from the dugouts of the ukrainian military trenches. grazuns are literally everywhere. he talks about the same thing and the well-known german columnist julian ryobky from nemesskogo. and even publishes a video, here it is, just about the invasion of mice on positions in the ssu, which destroy food and even weapons, in connection with this, as bilt writes, the ukrainian command ordered to send cats to the front, about the fact that there is a real problem with insurgents , they write everything now, look, there’s a spy and a bilt and i can’t help but ask the question, how is the person not a soldier, what’s the story with the mice at the front, the german... newspapers are constantly reporting that the ukrainians have even sent cats to the war to destroy the grozny, what kind of application process is this, what is it connected with, what kind of ukrainian pain is this? well , you know, you have to be very far from

what is happening at the front, and this shows very well, in fact, that those people who create propaganda in russia, they simply do not know what is happening and do not want to. to know, because to find at least one journalist or presenter in ukraine who talks about the war, and he does not know that there are mice in the trenches at the front, well, such a thing simply does not exist, because all our journalists either have relatives who are fighting, or there are husbands, sons, colleagues, well , everyone is around and therefore everyone basically knows what is happening, but you see, for skabiev this is news, in general, literally, i can’t ask, not military a person cannot know that there are mice at the front, and therefore he asks, how come there are mice in the armed forces, and then he suddenly discovers for himself that not only in the armed forces there are mice, but mice in general

are simply in the war, so western countries, well , they probably encountered this for the first time, our... countries, well, cats are an integral part of the presence of, let's say, a fighter on the second line, with our guys immediately in the trench, because there are enough, well, a lot of useless things happening from the grozhuns, they threaten and ammunition, including gunpowder, the clothes of our fighters, the russian military is already warming up on these shots the engine of the self-propelled nona, as you can see, dozens, if not hundreds, of mice are saved. but there is a historical fact that 10%, at least 10%, of the equipment of the sixth army in verbakht, commanded by paulis,

during the offensive on stalingrad, was withdrawn precisely the rodents, then the equipment was not yet airtight, we made our way into the tanks, other armored cars and gnawed everything that was not requested, well, judging by the fact that the mice are getting out of the russian equipment, it will be about the same with the russian equipment as happened with the equipment of the wehrmacht, and actually, apparently, with the russian offensive, what happened with the offensive on... stalingrad, so cheeky , you know, the news suddenly came out for the russian audience, unexpected, and they started so well that they are mobilizing cats in zsu well, what can i say, nothing to say, in general very much it's strange, now some kind of sadness has swept across russian tv screens, and i'm not even afraid to say a word, they're worried again, and now this anxiety is kind of, you know, kind of very overeating. well, let's listen to what is happening now in the information field,

ukrainian, western, and it started happening very suddenly, it reminds me of a staged campaign, there is an opinion, we have already seen one such staged company a few months before the beginning of svo, it was a massive company in western media, in ukrainian media, where various were published maps, it was said that russia would actually start a military operation in ukraine, and it was said very much very often that this operation would be almost like lightning, it would take place in a few weeks, it would be very successful, that zelsky allegedly is already preparing to go somewhere, whether to lviv, leave kyiv, go to lviv or even further, it is worth thinking about whether this is... specific provocations of a new russian offensive, that is, what, what kind

of picture, such a picture, very briefly, they they pretend that they are wounded, but if we look at the state of the front in the last hour, the front line has practically not changed, as it was rightly said here, not a single large ukrainian city has been taken, there are reasons for them to capitulate or fear that russia will occupy kievshee, well, you see, it turns out that these are western forces, they lured the russian troops near kyiv, where the russian troops got, well , what did they get, in short, they are near kiev, you all know, and now they are luring them somewhere again, and one could say that it's in a separate literally, some propagandist had such a fantasy, no, the same fantasy arose in gurulov, whom he also told, that things are not so bad in the ukrainian army, as

the russian media have been saying for several months, which is just horror, horror , and again, apparently, something is wrong here, they lure, they say that there is no money in america, well, it would probably be intrusive, that the political situation is different, yes, that they will find that money, well, sooner or later they will , damn, they will find, and when we speak, that today there is not enough ammunition, well... you know, frankly speaking, at the front today , the armed forces of ukraine do not experience a shortage of ammunition, we say that they do not supply weapons, in my opinion, yesterday poland stated that it supplies three general divisions, yes yes, the artillery, seriously, there is quite a large, global, not even strategic, but global information operation, within the framework of which they are trying to convince us that everything is bad, everything is bad, ukraine is losing and so on and so on, only because that we sit and thought about the fact that, well, probably , the time has come to talk with them about something, probably , somewhere they will surrender something, they will give it to us, no,

no, although i do not understand the logic, if everything is bad for them, we need the opposite to force events, but what concerns our actions for today is definitely not a good thing now, there are a lot of voices, including yours , that it is necessary to immediately force events and move something somewhere, move forward, freeing new ones territories, reach new frontiers, there are many problems at the front, well, there are many problems, well, that is , it suddenly turns out that, well, no, it’s not like that, russia needs to move somewhere, it’s all dangerous, well, it’s the same with the nightingale, in principle, but now a very dangerous moment is coming, i would say, in many ways, the turning point in this military campaign, what it is connected with, it is connected with the fact that this feeling has ripened in the air, that we are winning, that the west has begun to weaken

, that it does not have time, it does not succeed, that all their expectations failed, they did not tremble already, but just a little bit, a little bit, that's all, it is possible to crush them, but this is very deceptive, well, let's not deceive ourselves. well, actually, about the problems themselves, which, as it turns out, the russians have at the front? please, we need, first of all, the most important thing, to understand the air defense system so that our aviation can dominate, today we need to knock out all the artillery that is being applied to men today, so that when we go on the offensive and break through the enemy in the breakthrough areas, we have saved their personal staff, today it is extremely clear what it is

it is necessary to completely weaken the potential that is there, the fourth point is serious: what zelsky is talking about is to prevent the enemy from gaining a foothold on favorable frontiers. well, that is, you see, yes, there are weapons, in principle, the ukrainians are standing on advantageous frontiers, on which, directly, they must somehow be prevented from gaining a foothold there, and it is dangerous for the russians to advance and in general they will be lured somewhere, and the only thing with which there is no the russians have problems, it's actually with the internal turbulence that started in ukraine, which they are terribly happy about. information about what zelensky commands it is good to go around the front, it is good, it is good, let him command, one says one thing, the second says another, at the exit i can say that they will just kill you, all this is according to the program, they will sit and wait for the weather, that’s all, yes does it happen at all, well , case, command to military commanders?

very good, if they do it, well, for god’s sake, we wish you luck, yes, only luck, let everything work out, well , let’s talk with our guest oksana moroz, the founder of the initiative how not to become a vegetable, we’ll actually talk about this, as in this ukrainians do not know the situation to become vegetables, congratulations oksana, congratulations mrs. olga, well, you have laid out a wonderful, i think, analysis of the whole situation about how this whole atmosphere of political confrontation and mutual claims was created inside ukraine and the western countries, well, i send everyone there who wants to watch from you, on your youtube channel, but let's talk more about how to get out of this situation? well, first of all,

the first question, actually, how should you have reacted, as soon as all these strange posts appeared, including maryana bezgulo and not only her, how should the authorities have reacted immediately, and actually, what else can be saved from this? in fact, there was only one way out, as in principle in crisis communications of this level, that is, when rumors begin to spread, and these rumors, they can cause damage and material damage, in this case, any discrediting of the armed forces, especially the commander-in-chief and moreover, visible in the information field of the formation of this visible split between the supreme commander and the commander-in-chief, this is of course a challenge, the crisis call is of a very high level and very threatening, accordingly the rules are quite simple, react as quickly and as loudly as possible, because actually he is

the de facto object of this attack, and accordingly his reaction is at best. keep quiet, and he just followed this script, for which i thank him very much. accordingly, the second side, which is called as an alleged accusation that there are actually some misunderstandings precisely because of this, or because of zelenskyi’s position and so on, we do not know the truth, but it is circulating in the information field, it should come out here zelensky and to clearly state that yes, there can be any misunderstandings between us, because we are people, we work, and actually this is normal, but there is no division. there is no conflict, we are moving towards victory together, this communication, it should have sounded literally, when these rumors just started to bite, they began to look like this, not literally, but suspiciously enough, precisely from the material of the times, which appeared on october 30, by simon schuster , and it was after this appearance in time that they already began

to be followed in the information field, further the bazugle was already connected, then materials from zaluzhny appeared there, and so on and so forth, but then at the very beginning, when even this was not clearly formed in the information field, but there were already hints, it should be like this very a quick and very clear reaction, what could be behind the scenes, and it is absolutely natural that there could be something behind the scenes, it had to be behind such very tightly closed yards, and there everyone had to find out some of their nuances behind these closed by two, any oozing... c information space, like rumors or anything else, of course, it harms ukraine. well, actually, the damage is already certain, now it has been done , i must say, but well... actually , the second part of my question, what can we save in this situation, because, unfortunately, everything has already gone, not only the internal ukrainian media , it spilled out

, they began to discuss, well, practically the whole world, whether zelensky is going somewhere there for the elections, whether zelensky is going to remove someone, whether there are any conflicts, it all started again, what can be done in this regard now to do and what we should do. in fact , the ukrainian government in this regard? well, in fact , the recipe is very similar to what i said, it is only zelsky's speech and only his clear position, but here i am saying it with such uncertainty in my voice, because i am not sure how much it will help. i will explain my position, because when this campaign began, there were already kmis studies that measured whether ukrainians believed in the alleged divisions between the military and political leadership, and as of october 23, there were 32% of them. that is, we entered this campaign with a non-zero rate, and accordingly, most likely, we do not know sociology, but we can make an assumption that the incitement is, it substantially

increased this percentage, moreover, it definitely reached this information to a significant number of military personnel, and in fact, it worked to demoralize the army , to demoralize civilians, to misunderstanding, actually, and who is in charge of whom... and so on, that is, in relation to the entire vertical, horizontal in the armed forces, and what is also very important is that that such communication, in particular, conducted by ms. bezugla, can most likely have a strong enough influence on criticism itself and on the very format of criticism and on the credibility of criticism of the armed forces, because in a healthy society we should all criticize everything that is rationally justified, that is, we do not have taboo topics, mimocracy, but if this criticism is loudly started in such a format , emotionally confrontational and so on, as ms. bezugla does, then it can and most

likely will be postponed for all further criticism, which will be perceived with skepticism, which will be shown that this is not possible , i.e. there is a certain popularization, i.e. those who supported zaluzhny, this is a fairly large percentage of ukrainians, they will defend themselves and not accept any criticism, and vice versa those who criticized will polarize on the other side, i.e. these are quite threatening trends that are superimposed on the general fatigue of ukrainian society, exhaustion and so on and so on, well, this is just some kind of gift to russian propaganda, and we each once after such throw-ins we see how russia uses it and how they will spread it all through all possible channels, but russia is russia, you rightly said that it is much worse, that it enters the international discourse and that it is recorded in ukrainian, well, actually , look. if there was some kind of, well , a clear position regarding the most bezangular, that is , it would be removed from the committee, at least removed from the security committee, would it somehow

give the right signal, you know, and would it even be possible , to significantly improve the situation, just like that, or something would it fundamentally change, already at this stage, at this stage, most likely not, because this discussion has already passed. the discussion within the framework of maryana bezugla, we saw very, literally in the last days, they finally, most likely put an end to the ineffectiveness of this approach, because in the last days we saw the material in the ukrainian truth, which analyzed this conflict with various of their insiders, we saw an article by the washington post, which seemed to talk about something else, that is, about the analysis of the counteroffensive, but there it is these messages were read by themselves, and russia itself is dispersing them in different vectors, and the conflict inside and the conflict outside, and so on and so forth. ukrainians, well, they will not delve too much into the details and understand

the subtleties where it was clearly formed and where not, as for example in the time article, which was the first to come out, it was not clear there, the name did not sound meritorious, but here is this doubt, it began to form from there, that is why i believe that even now if some measures are taken in relation to ms. bozuya, then well it will not give any significant result, unfortunately, oksana, what you say actually shows that this is not a communication problem, but rather a political problem that needs to be solved, again not by communication measures, let's write another article, or let's take a joint photo, or let's make a joint speech, and this should be solved by political methods, political methods o well, which can be, well, in the same article of ukrainian truth that you said about, there , in principle, it was clear enough it is written that the first one who began to sow

such... zelensky's mistrust of the hard worker was andriy yermak, well, accordingly , the decision must be somehow related to andriy yermak, probably, or, or, again, some clear enough distancing zelennyaska and the explanation of this story, and the second, after all , i think that maybe a political step would be to reformat the government in fact, and turn it into a government of some kind of more common coalition of different forces. political in order to remove, at least, the impression that zelensky is panickingly afraid of any the opposition, these are political steps, they are not communicational, and here, to what extent political such things can help, but whatever you think about this, i am not an expert in this matter, so i do not undertake to predict how certain political actions , they can influence it, i can analyze

what i said from a communication point of view. that i am not sure that these tools already, even those that remained with zelenskyi's statement, they can really affect the situation at the current moment, and i do not know what political levers are, here, but it is necessary to state that the situation is at such a rather complicated stage, when there is no such simple solution, as we like simple solutions, complex problems, as always , do not exist, well, actually, that is why i spoke about solutions that are sufficiently complex for the office of the president in the first place , because it is precisely the office of the president who has to make these decisions, the president personally, these are not decisions that you can just do something like that, you know beautifully, again at the level of beautiful photos, look, and if then you again remembered the article the washington post, which is more about the planning of an offensive operation, and which says that there were, and they broke...

apparently, there are still differences in the vision of how to fight between our western partners, and with the command of the armed forces forces of ukraine, now you and i are not so expert in this matter as to hold a military council here now, but again from the point of view of communication, what do you think, is it you, well, the appearance of this article itself, what is it about can testify and about what kind of trends can one speak of in general regarding the communication surrounding the hostilities and in the western world, well, because they observe our hostilities to a certain extent, yes, they saw an article by a sleuth that explains something, and this article by the washington post appeared , most likely, she was also inspired by the article that zaluzhny wrote, this is an attempt to understand what exactly zaluzhny meant, as

for me, but hey, i wonder what it would also mean, how it can affect? well, you know, i don't believe in coincidences, maybe it is there is a professional deformation, but this article, it appeared at a time when russia already for many periods, i would even say, months, or even years, tried in every possible way to emphasize the split between ukraine and the west, the fact that the west abandoned us, that the west does not understand us, and so on, and, paradoxically, many of the messages from that were expressed in the article. they used to reproduce and so on in their false advertisements, it is clear that there was no regumentation in their advertisements, which was in the article washington post and so on, but what is important is that this article strengthened and spoke loudly enough about the existence of certain disagreements, and here the question is how this article will be used, because on the one hand it can be some arguments where rationally sat there discussed, i thought about what to do with it,

various politicians adjusted there union... with partners or anything else, on the other hand, if you take out phrases from there, if you take out certain statements from there, then it can be a good tool for discrediting and the ukrainian military, and again the relations between ukraine and the west, and so on and so forth, that is why, most likely, and this is ultimately what we have already seen, unfortunately since yesterday, that russia will of course take the second path and will use it against us in every possible way and against the west, including the process of forcing negotiations and many other moments that they are currently conducting, the question here is how we will decommunicate it, how we will talk about it, and well, at least since yesterday, i have not i heard some reflections from the authorities or something else, this it is a debatable question whether they are needed, of course, but i think that if we have zayakonmi first.