it was on the ukrainian-polish, right, border, uh, it turned out that there are some, thoughts from the security service of ukraine that he wanted to meet with the current prime minister of hungary, viktor orbán, who is now opposing the negotiations of the european union with ukraine, and the sbu believed that poroshenko's meeting with orban could be used by russian propagandists. and in this way, well, that's why they canceled his business trip, although, as far as i understand, he was also supposed to be in the united states of america, right, i understand, yes, you absolutely you understand correctly, indeed, the representatives of the european solidarity faction were invited to the idu forum, this is also petro poroshenko, who had speeches there, additional meetings, in parallel, before flying to the united states, he had a number of meetings in poland, the head

of the committee was also supposed to fly there on issues of european integration, a member of our faction, ivanna klemposh censadz, maria ionova, iryna gerashchenko, all of them were actually blocked from traveling due to, from my point of view, absolutely far-fetched insinuations with which they tried to cover up this scandal, which has already turned into an international scandal, because the speech, in particular of the fifth president, petro poroshenko, was confirmed, and in fact, this is from the resolution of his disruption, well, you know, you can say that this is a direct shot in the foot of the speaker of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. you can say whatever you want, but the fact remains , we have persecution on a political basis, which does not really add credibility to the representatives of the authorities who take such steps. i am sure that this is not even a mistake, but

this is such a very threatening thing that has already happened a trend, yes, that is, it is not episodic, but it has already become a trend , we remember how last year they tried to prevent poroshenko from going to the nato parliamentary assembly, as well, and i am sure that similar steps taken by representatives of the authorities , actually nullify ukraine's opportunities in the international... arena, because the experience that poroshenko, ivanna klempussh censadze, maria ionova, iryna erashchenko has, the contacts and internal communication links that they have directly on a personal level establishment with many representatives, the politics of the united states of america, would actually play within the framework of protecting the interests of ukraine, any restrictions, public. their

limitation actually leads to mistrust of the current authorities, i think that this is the special favor that was done to the president, including on the eve of his speech, a closed speech in front of congressmen, but it is clear that when ukraine is going to conduct extensive negotiations with countries, members of the european union, and we are standing on the threshold of the european union, and there must be a decision already regarding negotiation process. will there be such details regarding the access or the possibilities of various leaders of political forces to negotiations, access to various international organizations or going abroad, will they be discussed in the context of democracy and the possibilities of implementation by various ukrainian politicians of their powers or their...

certain ideas there or speeches on behalf of the state, ms. elizaveta, what do you think , will they set us as a condition that ukraine should be more democratic than autocratic, when there is only one group of people there decides who can go abroad, who cannot go abroad, who can meet with orban, who cannot meet in... i will say once again that orban is the current prime minister of a country that is part of of the european union, if we did not treat him, well, he is a neighbor, the leader of a neighboring country, he is the legitimate prime minister of hungary, and you know, i always said that ukrainian democracy and the spirit of freedom are so special that there is nothing similar anywhere in the world

cannot be seen, felt, and this is our special feature. of course, with the beginning of the war, of russia's full-scale aggression against ukraine, our freedom is currently limited , including within the framework of the fact that we have mobilization, within the framework of the fact that we currently have a state of war, and that our right to free movement is actually limited, ah, this applies to different categories of people, not only men , including, er, me and my colleagues who are currently present on this broadcast, really. in order to, for example, go on a business trip abroad, it is now necessary to obtain a lot of different papers, different approvals, and if the vision of the leadership of the verkhovna rada is that this business trip is now necessary, and

if it does not fall on the plenary days , and if there are no other circumstances that we do not know about, this business trip will most likely be agreed, but to be very honest, i always openly also say that such bureaucracy definitely does not contribute to the efficiency of our inter-parliamentary activities, and therefore it turns out that a lot of meetings that we could hold one-on-one, we physically hold online, nevertheless. we have what we have, parliamentary delegations are actively working, i already mentioned that i am currently working as part of our work as a delegation on the committee , working next week as well, but if

it were my will, of course i would liberalize this whole procedure a little, because it is very , it seems to me that including the leadership of the verkhovna rada... there is 100% to do, not only to sign, constantly different papers for permits or not permits, i would certainly like it to be quite effective and productive, because it is necessary our country, nevertheless, i will say yes, very much diplomatically, i think that in the situation that we are in now in a terrible war, we need to hold on and be united, if the leader decides that it is not necessary for someone to go, for some reason, and they have evidence, as we know , as we have been told for the past few days, it is the responsibility of the management not

to sign this business trip, and this is how it is written in the law, they have such powers, and by the way, i wanted to ask yaroslav yurchyshyn, and how is it in general, does it correspond in general, the constitution and laws are those of the people deputies of ukraine, someone can forbid them to go abroad, well, that is, how is it regulated in general, that oleksandr kornienko can cancel there, well, a business trip, if it is not a business trip at the state's expense, if it is a business trip at the state's own expense, or at the expense of that party , which accepts, that is, on what basis do they generally ask for authority and in general opportunities? well, actually, during martial law, there are quite a few opportunities to restrict, and i don't think any of my colleagues would object to a restriction

rights, if it would be a logical, understandable system, with clear, conventionally speaking, grounds for yes, which can be verified, that everyone works within the same rules, there is an understanding of priorities, there is an understanding of, let's say, assessments of the benefits of this or that action, but unfortunately, it all looks like bureaucracy for the sake of bureaucracy, because on the one hand, from the investigation of the schemes , there is information that the former, although there are no representatives of the former... traveled to bort on an alleged business trip, stayed for a longer period of time and met with some hungarian leaders, at the same time, for under similar conditions, another representative of a political force, a leader of a political force is not released, but

in such a situation, in such a situation, the impression of double standards is formed, it is created in such a way that trust in the process itself is lost, trust in the authorities, a key resource for the country, which is very difficult, actually renew, but i think that we would be unwitting participants in the process of protecting the country now, if we were in our place, if we only complained, we already as a faction initiated a meeting with the leadership of the parliament in order to once again raise the question of , what is needed, even if it is complicated, with a lot of approvals and the like, but a clear procedure, and when the actual people's deputies will be able to perform their functions, according to the law on the status of the people's deputy, no one can limit us, but according to the actual constitution, but again with the footnote

that during martial law not all articles of the constitution are applied and not all rights are guaranteed, after all, the priority of national security is put at the basis of any decisions, so this is also a question about these restrictions, they rather cause actual doubts in expediency, but here again i will return to what i started with, ah, it is very important to understand logic, it is very important to understand why certain actions are perceived, and even if they are perceived purely from political positioning, well, this is very short-sighted and i'm sorry, but it's childish, because when there is a big threat to the country that we have less international aid, that we may have questions about the extent to which we practice democracy, even in a limited form, but during war, then

of course it's better do not give any reasons in there is no doubt in one or the other, therefore it is very important to work out this issue, to simplify the bureaucracy where it is not needed, to reduce the politicization of the process, because any politicization, we see it very clearly in the assessment of society, leads to one thing, this is a loss of trust in the authorities in principle, regardless of personal names, regardless of surnames, what this leads to in a warring country, well , i will not draw analogies with the beginning of the century, but the fact that when they start to quarrel with each other, only the enemy wins , well this seems to be a common truth. thank you, mr. yaroslav, in just a minute we will return to our broadcast, we will take a short break, do not switch from our channel, we will be with you further, problems with the joints limit

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see, 17% did not want to see valery zaluzhny in politics , we are asking about this because the question of whether zuluzhny will run for president or whether he will go into politics is constantly being torpedoed, we decided to simply ask whether you would like it, let me remind you that today we have people's deputies of ukraine visiting us , iryna frys, yaroslav yurchyshyn and elizaveta yasko, and ladies and gentlemen, i wanted would also like to talk about the rather difficult period that is now beginning in ukrainian diplomacy, ukrainians, these are the negotiations that will be held with the representatives of the countries of the european union, and the decision that such negotiations should begin should be made already this month. orban, viktor orban, prime minister of hungary, called on charles michel to remove negotiations with ukraine on joining

the eu from the agenda of the upcoming summit of the european council. in response to criticism of the prime minister. viktor orban's hungarians in the european commission praised ukraine for progress in reforms, the corresponding statement was made at the briefing by the representative of the european commission, anna pizonero, let's listen to what she said. ukraine has done an impressive job. we do not consider the proposal to start negotiations with ukraine on joining the european union unreasonable. the european commission presented its proposal and now the eu member states have to make a decision. regarding the next steps, in particular, the start of negotiations with ukraine on membership, immediately after orbán, the head of the slovak foreign ministry juraj blanner stated that he does not imagine ukraine in the eu under the current circumstances, well is meant in terms of war. mrs. iryna, under these conditions, when in principle two countries

are talking about the fact that there is no need to start negotiations with ukraine regarding joining the european union, i... how can this be perceived in the context of european security in general, the european community to which we belong belong to us, that is, in this case, they are playing into the hands of the kremlin, or they are playing along with vladimir putin, or they have their own interests and we prevent them from receiving loans from the same european union as or aid from the european union, such as hungary. with what is the connection between such and such a position of hungary and slovakia? you know, i believe that under any circumstances, we have to do our own thing, that is, we have an understanding that our country must overcome the path of european integration in order to later become one of the member countries

of the european union. at the same time, you and i are fully aware that the contributor of certain moods, destructive moods, in particular, whether it is hungary or the newly elected prime minister of slovakia, is directly the ability of mr. putin and his fifth column to influence those or other informational or public statements, but i would like to say that the european union in this context, declaring that the time of negotiations should not be postponed. talks about the need to preserve values, values ​​for which ukraine is fighting today, values ​​that ukraine shares, values ​​that are also defended by the european union, so i am sure that despite such a destructive position, as we have seen many times, the european union finds levers of influence on

the fact that mr. orban, after his loud ones public statements, very much, therefore, i am sure that the support of the european union of various countries should be expanded and for this purpose, as my colleagues said, all possible mechanisms should be used, starting from the diaspora, the public sector and ending with inter-parliamentary relations, government, but we must do everything to ensure that the support of ukraine in the european union remains the same and only strengthens, and we must take note of all kinds of destructive information bubbles from mr. orban, but continue to do our own thing. mrs. elizaveta, please tell me what not only the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia,

but also the new slovak prime minister robert fico says, that they say ukraine cannot be accepted into the european union, because it is a totally corrupt country, the most corrupt country in the world , he said about it, and that he said it applies to everyone. levels of management, is the ukrainian side ready to prove or prove the opposite and show the depth of the fight against corruption so that there are no such accusations, because orban also repeats and fico repeats, well, listen, this is the most corrupt country, where do you want to take ukraine? we are constantly. at all meetings, we talk about the progress we have in the fight against corruption with all our anti-corruption bodies, the laws that we

adopt, as a condition, in fact, for us, to start negotiations on joining the eu, as well as a condition for joining the european union in general , i would also like to say that, of course, what we are hearing now, unfortunately, from our neighbor slovakia, also the processes that are taking place in hungary, here it must be perceived through the prism of those political processes that happening in those countries, ukraine continues to have an absolute majority of support from the countries of the european union, it has become much more than it was... two years ago, and it is happening from key countries, like the countries germany and france, we saw the speeches of ursela funderlein in our parliament

for several weeks, who said that we are making incredible progress, it is a very difficult time, and it seems to me that although we are ukrainians, we always want to see the real and the bad, but we also need to learn, to see.. .that we we are starting to do, of course, and certain results, of course, i don't want to say that everything is great and there are no problems, but we also need to talk about what we have already achieved, it is very important, and speaking about corruption, it seems to me that it is very often used that there is such a narrative that supposedly there is a lot of corruption in ukraine, but there are no problems anywhere else, is this not true? on the contrary, ukraine is currently building much more institutional solutions to fight corruption than most european countries have, and if we succeed

to really carry out what we want in the fight against corruption, we will also be an example, an institutional example of the fight against corruption, i really want us to have this, to succeed in this, thank you, mrs. iryna. you wanted to add something, as i understand it, one very short remark about the fact that, well , the issue of corruption is technological, because for a very long time, the russian federation has been using the issue of corruption in order to undermine the trust either in the current government or in the divisions of society, and it is a question of what exactly it is technology corruption used by the russian federation, last year was for...' fixed in the resolution of the nato parliamentary assembly, this is the first time, they recorded on paper that the russian federation uses economic leverage in order to

use corrupt acts. and undermine trust in the authorities, so i agree here that we have to be vigilant, that we are far from everything being fine, at the moment, it would be desirable to demonstrate more independent work of our anti-corruption bodies, and most importantly, as they say, effective their activity, it would be desirable for society, including for international partners, it would be a good argument for how do we fight corruption, so that it is not just words. thank you, thank you, mrs. irina. mr. yaroslav, when will ukraine stop being perceived as the most corrupt country, or a corrupt, simply corrupt european country and stop reproaching us for the fact that we have a sufficiently high level of corruption in the highest echelons of power. well, let 's start with who is talking about it, hungary

according to. the global index of corruption shows the worst results from the countries of the european union. ah , last year hungary was deprived of access to ah, resources of the european union, due to the actual problems with corruption and the rule of law, and this is all the result of the long-term premiership of the right-wing populist mr. orman , who started as a de facto free democrat, with good slogans, we see very clearly how populism is actually used by russia to stop any processes. hungary slowed finland's accession to nato as much as it could, and is still slowing it down sweden's entry into nato, but everyone understands that both finland and sweden will be in nato, regardless of how hungary feels about it.

the situation is similar now and after. and for ukraine, orbán's statements in the european union are rather perceived as the opposite of strengthening that we are on the right path, but here it must be taken into account that hungary will vote, and they will now trivially manipulate any methods in order to regain funding, and it will depend a lot , how will the european union behave in this direction, chivede... is he on this blackmail or not will find the resources and opportunities to make an adequate decision, now regarding the adoption of ukraine, and when we stop considering ourselves the most corrupt nation in europe, then europe will stop considering us as such, because in fact we very often hyperbolize what is negative about us, we are happy to talk about it ourselves , you know, this is such a legacy of the soviet union,

colitis... you have it, sorry, when it was time to show off, it was actually dangerous, because the organs could come, well, unfortunately, we have not managed to do this yet , thank you, thank you, yaroslav yurchyshyn, iryna friz and elizaveta yasko were guests of our program today, thank you ladies and gentlemen for participating in the program, i would like to remind you that during the program we conducted a survey, we asked you whether you would like to see a hard worker in politics, 83% of those who watching tv voted yes 17 no, and there was information about zelensky's speech in the united states senate, zelensky at the last moment canceled the planned speech before the legislators of the united states of america, the chairman of the democratic majority in the senate announced this of the united states of america, chuck schumer. whether it is true or not, well, we will see in the next news releases, and what will be

written about it, why exactly. the performance took place, and if it happens, we will of course comment on it already at 20:00, friends, thank you all for your attention, it was the verdict previ serhiy rudenko program, i wish you all good health, take care of yourself and your relatives, goodbye. tuesday, thursday at 17:15 on the espresso tv channel. vasyl winter's big broadcast. two hours of airtime, two hours of your time, two hours to learn about war and whatnot lives the world, two hours to keep up with economic news and sports news. two.