in the south of america, well, in particular there in texas partially, i have already mentioned louisiana and somewhere in alabama, and maybe arizona, that is, closer there to the border with mexico, or the same north-south dakota, well, you know, it is enough for them this whole story is far away, so it can be local, there can be less interest, so it is important to work with voters, work in different states, and this is work, keeping in the focus of attention is work, sometimes this focus of attention is set by the opponent, doing the next stupid thing , or crimes like us we see from the side of russia the killing of people, and for example man-made disasters, such as the kakhovskaya station, the nuclear threat has somewhat receded into the background, but the zaporozhye station and its occupation and the problems that arise, sporas

is a problem. we used to worry about the fact that the russians had spun up one of the reactors in a hot state, and the hot state of the reactor is an opportunity to use it for a man-made disaster right in the nearest day, less than a day. so now there are two reactors, and the threat of using nuclear weapons last year, when they were talking about this, today they somehow forgot that the russians can use man-made factors. that is, it must be taken to work, it must be worked. not only in america, we have to work in the magata, where we got a seat on the governing council of the magata, and it is not the minister of energy who wants to go there for this position, that is, they have some influence from kyiv, but the diplomat who handles these issues should go there , very active with experience, that is, the ministry of foreign affairs has to fight for a diplomat to go there, or a diplomat, that is, in every direction it is necessary now step up work. well, we don't

need to wait for what will happen in america, whether it will happen in the elections in france or in the elections to the european parliament, we need to concentrate the maximum resources now for the next six months, and one more moment, we are talking about finances, yes there from the american side, but we have solutions for missiles, which can be enough to demolish the kerch bridge, there are no such solutions yet, that is, finances are one part, finances, there were shells this... year, and there was the number of shells that are needed , no, it wasn't, so what else is the question, not only money they need, they also need production , transfer to military rails, production , you remember the second world war, the americans closed automobile factories, all automobile factories began to produce tanks, 100, if i am not mistaken, more than 120,000 aircraft, that is, a huge number, they transfer to the military rails of its industry, no, not a translation. so massively, that is, it is important,

not only money, money will be found, money is in japan, money is in south korea, technology, money is all over the world, the world does not want to let putin and russia win, money we we will find, we must have, weapons, we must have weapons, and i assert that the americans can not only give the weapons that they have and replace them with others, as they do, they can take a risk and provide us with weapons en masse, but they have not yet made such a decision came, therefore the republicans, sometimes they are useful, the main thing is that they put pressure on the white house in terms of providing weapons, and not in terms of blocking finances. mr. valery, ukraine has become the most militarized country in the world, they came to this conclusion in the bonn international center of conversion, they published a rating, or global index rating.

it is called, israel has been the leader since 2007 , but after 15 years of israel's leadership, as the bonn institute asserts, ukraine topped this list, armenia, azerbaijan and russia also entered the top ten, it can be seen that there are a lot of post-soviet countries that are to this rating for a year, ukraine, if we believe the data of the bolshoi international center of conversion, rose by 18 positions, but this militarization, which is written about in and in the german bonn institute of conversion, the international center of conversion, is not at all means that ukraine is so militarized that it can defeat russia, so what is the main amendment to this rating, what do you think about the fact that the world says that ukraine has become... the most

militarized country in the world and what conclusions should politicians draw from this , that ukraine has already received enough, or should we constantly say that we, yes, we are militarized, compared to what happened in 2022, but it is not enough to smoke out the russian invaders from our territory, and we need tanks, we need them planes, we need long-range weapons, i don't know the methodology of this rating, because well, if only the dynamics of recent changes are taken into account, of course. yes, because ukraine is at war with russia, and if we talk about approaches, if in the methodology, for example, there was an attitude, well, a type, of the leadership of the country, that is, the transfer of industry to the military rails, and there are many such factors, then i definitely

think that we we are lagging behind north korea, because it is quite a militarized country, i think we are lagging behind azerbaijan. ago that there was a war there and a lot was involved, but definitely from north korea, well, from russia, i also think that in terms of volumes, we are really lagging behind in the transfer to military production and in terms of volumes, scales, well, here are the scales, that’s why the rating, there is a rating, that that ukraine has now strengthened in terms of the number of weapons, it is true, compared to the previous period, but i want to emphasize that many weapons, which i hope... they simply replaced what was already lost during the first year of the war, that is, this there was a huge clash with by the russian army, so in many ways we have now simply replaced what was lost, even in terms of types of weapons, well, we have not replaced,

for example, airplanes, but for now we can say that it is possible with our missile systems, our situation is possibly better the same whether it was before the large-scale invasion or in the first period, and i cannot name any other types of weapons where we have become so much better than before, so i am not a specialist, there are military experts, let they will say, but that we have a war, and that's all because of this, we have to be militarized, that's obvious, so no such negative, here i would... i don't see a negative connotation during the war, if we talk about a militarized country in peacetime, then we need to look for an explanation, what are the threats, where money is spent, but for example, a militarized country during a war is natural, i wish, to be honest, i wish we were more

militarized two years before a large-scale invasion, then maybe it wouldn't have happened, well, we should to say that being militarized when one is near you obsessed... as the russian federation , we have a rather large border line with the russian federation and with belarus, which plays along with russia, and russia acts as a springboard for an attack on ukraine, then this is quite normal, it seems to me that if we go down the path of militarization, we will a military state that will defend itself, this is absolutely normal and there is no negative connotation here, i completely agree with you, and i, for example, and i , for example, do not call for this, i believe that after achieving our goals, the country cannot continue on the path of militarization , actually, we are we must follow the path of uniting the efforts of all countries in the european defense system. if we rely only on our own strength and militarize the country, then we will lose

any funds for development, economic, development. i gave you the example of north korea, where militarization has led to what they can launch. missiles and nuclear weapons , but poor people who have the same meat once a week every two weeks, now rice once a week, that is, we do not have internal resources in ukraine to make ukraine militarized, at most, we have some communication problems, we will now redial, valery chalyo, he is a diplomat, politician, and former ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america. friends, we are working live on tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently watching us on youtube and on tv, you can vote in our poll, today we ask you about whether ukraine should to make concessions

for the sake of peace with russia. yes, no, if you're sitting in front of the tv right now, pick it up phone or smartphone and call 0800-201 381, if you think that ukraine should make concessions, no, 0.800 211-382, all calls to these numbers are free, everything is simple on youtube, there are functions, yes , no, or please write your comment under the video, and we will know what you think about it, have we restored contact with mr. valery, please let me know, we are waiting, we are waiting for the inclusion of valery chaly, what are the problems we have a connection with, therefore, the results are intermediate, should ukraine make concessions, for the sake of peace with russia, yes 88% no, these are the results of a survey of those who watch our telecast.

why are we actually asking about this, because over the past few days, the russians have been quite actively torpedoing the topic of possible negotiations with ukraine in their mass media. yesterday, the propaganda newspaper izvestia wrote that russia is not against the negotiation process with ukraine, but somewhere on the international platform. for example, in europe, izvestia does not point to a high-ranking, high-ranking source, but it is obvious that izvestia could not just publish this information in conditions of total censorship in russia. yesterday, dmytro piskov said that we are not against negotiations with ukraine either, only that ukraine refused these negotiations, but if it is not against it, then we will talk with ukraine. we have it's valery chaly again, mr. valery, forgive the connection, it's not unstable, that's why you haven't

finished your opinion about north korea and militarization, so let's continue, i'm very brief, i don't see prospects in ukraine if we continue to develop on the model of israel or north korea, we need after a large-scale war, go to the model of collective defense, where for where we will share... responsibility for europe together with other countries, that is, have allies who must fight, not just watch, help weapons, fight, another way of defense, if necessary to do so is , unfortunately, the depletion of the country, and it will not allow us to develop in the future, because even israel, i will tell you, they have a concept of defense, it is from the depths of a small internal, you see, it is forced to go into the territory sector there further, because otherwise they can't look at the sources of danger, and

what do we have then in such a case, as we are offered deterrence, then we have to attack moscow to prevent attacks, or strategic bombers on the territory of russia, this is what is said about escalation, or we have to do for the enemy , the possibility of aggression is unattainable in the future, that is, what we did not do before the 24th of the 22nd year. on february 24, we did not do this, right now, i want to emphasize to you, we already have burns, the head of the cia, a book by one of the american authors was recently published, he says that putin was in a conversation with him, putin was sure that a weak government in ukraine, a divided society, would not be able to defend itself, he was on this, this weakness dragged him into ukraine, that is, it is an interesting thing, it turns out that the war could not come to us for two years ... back to such an extent and we must continue to think in this context, if the military, by the way, i

am against considering the prospects of the country's development in this way, even from the point of view of human resources, we will be exhausted, let's be honest for this large-scale invasion for this war, already a lot of people will spend two or three years in the war, they need to be transferred to a peaceful channel, work in business, work in the agricultural sector, it is impossible to keep a conscript soldier for 25 years, as in tsarist russia, the empire, so i am categorically against such a perspective for ukraine and we must strengthen the work on explaining to our partners that your concept in nato, which did not work, deterrence, will not work in us, we need a concept of preventing an attack, crossing borders, as they are doing now in nato, at the request of the baltic countries, i categorically state, that the nato concept should be transferred to ukraine, even if there is no determination to include ukraine in nato today. mr. valery, yesterday the russian newspaper izvestia, and then the press secretary

piskov, once again stated that russia is ready to hold negotiations with ukraine, but on the platform somewhere in europe, they say that the ukrainians do not want it, can it even be perceived as supplications to the negotiations, with which they always come forward, but on their own terms, does something change in these requests and in 2024 the situation may change, when it will have to be conducted through intermediaries negotiations, well, roughly the same as grain. their grain agreements, i.e. there are two platforms on which there are ukraine and russia, there are mediators on one side and on the other side, and actually agree on something, they are obviously not ready to conduct serious negotiations, they are ready to accept the capitulation of ukraine, i.e. they are ready, and they talk about it openly, this whole mantra about negotiations is

for the western consumer, who, well, says russia. how many people can be killed, that is, and they say, we wouldn't kill like that if it was given to us these territories, part of which we naturally need, why do we need them, i don't understand how you can justify looting, well , they just use it and say, well, let ukraine capitulate and we will leave something, you give it to us to loot in the future , and that's all, and we will then go to negotiations, so there is nothing serious here... unfortunately, for us, serious negotiations must begin from the position of the withdrawal of occupation troops, and they only increase, that is, if there were somewhere around 180-190 000 2 years ago, now more than 400, things to discuss, about what , that is, we will kill you first, well, roughly like that, and if you want us to just

mutilate you so that you are without legs, then agree, well, that is, you know the choice here, it is so dubious , there is... a choice, either live without the limbs of everyone, further under the control of the occupier, or still fight the future, there can be a pause, what are you asking, i, well, i assess the realistic situation, i see all the thoughts now around the pause, there from the summer of next year, the pause on the scale of the war, it will not be the result already, it will not end the russian-ukrainian confrontation, because it is an existential confrontation, over-survival. the authoritarian model in europe or, as in russia , the dictatorial, police state , chemocratic model, which ukraine has followed, this will greatly affect the development of europe and the world, so this confrontation will take many years, and the intensity of the military conflict can change, so everyone wants a pause in such a large-scale conflict, and it is

categorically unacceptable for us to resolve it by bilaterally signing some documents, because we have already signed with russia's documents, fed up with this , we also signed a friendship treaty with them, and gave them a base in crimea, they were cynical, they simply violated when ukraine was weak, that is, you can sign anything with russia, get some assurances, and then they will cynically destroy them all, and then they will explain with some interesting, strange explanation, as putin explains, well, he explained, in what way? in the gatehouse in leningrad, i received my own experience, if they can hit you, you are the first to strike, it is in the gatehouse, it is in gopnikov, but this is not an interstate level, and they have violated this principle, which countries have established for decades, that gopnichestvo does not work at the level of geopolitics, it wants

to change the world in terms of establishing the right of force, and there are some countries, as some countries want, they can is to ask that's why we're talking about serious things and that's why i warn now and then against any attempts to sit down with putin at the negotiating table, he will use it to his advantage unequivocally, that's why the solution, as you said, is somewhere there, china with the usa, there can regulate by support resources, in plus or minus, it can be, and we have to be ready for it, can we ourselves pull out a further level against. with russia at such a high level, but in no case, never sit down with these courtiers or manipulators, direct pushers at the negotiating table, it will be a loss, in no case, do not sit down for negotiations with putin, in no case they don't shake his hand anymore, no one, ever, well, today they shook his hand,

by the way, in the united arab emirates, he flew there and was received there too, sometimes the russian occupation forces, well, for us , the occupation forces were hanging in the capital of the arab emirates, but now i would like to ask you one more aspect about the war, because he blurted it out yesterday in the statement of the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia blanar, because he said that blanner that it is not possible, he does not imagine... a country in the european union under the current circumstances and deciphered that the country is at war, how will we conduct these negotiations, and they say, yes, this is a serious question, how is everything? will justify the offer of membership or opening negotiations on ukraine's membership in the european union and to answer the question of how we can start negotiations with a country

that is in a state of military conflict. we see that orban has stepped up and is starting to speak out, actively speak out against the opening of negotiations with the ukrainian state, could the war that russia is waging against us be the reason why slovakia and hungary are doing everything in order to, well, no, such a decision was not adopted, and the maximum should be done so that we are not a member of the european union, well, in the future a member of the north atlantic alliance, a few questions, i will try to answer each one briefly, first of all, the position of brussels and many eu countries differs from the one stated by the minister of foreign affairs of slovakia. he is a new person, so. i just want to remind him that slovakia, at the time when it joined the eu, also talked about being a lawyer for ukraine in the future, and in this way the borders and the development

of integration in the eastern direction will be strengthened. slovakia for a very long time supported our uh, european integration there in terms of partnership, then association, so there is such a minister, but tomorrow there will be another one, today you can deal with him, tomorrow ukraine will not be in the eu, that is, if he says: about today's situation, then tomorrow ukraine will not be, negotiations must be held, this is for one year , is it possible to join during the war, well, there were difficult situations with croatia, there was a situation with cyprus, where nikasia did not control and does not control a part of cyprus, but this did not stand in the way of the accession of cyprus, although the accumuniter law of the european union does not apply to this parts territories, that is, this statement is so-so, hungarian is a little different, hungarians trade. the hungarians are bargaining for the brussels funds, and the slovaks may have thought of a new government, let ’s negotiate, we will pull from brussels, well, it’s a very slippery slope, because the hungarians are now blocked, they will block 11 billion from brussels and

they will terrorize a little, what do the slovaks want, they want to cut the funds for themselves, so you know, i respect every opinion, but i would very much like these countries that have already joined the eu to remember how they went to this and to nato, and to remember when, what they then they said, so we need to realize that there are no friends forever, there are, governments can change, in poland, for example, tusk's government is coming, tusk is a wise man, a man of the european type, he knows what european integration is, and what we can count on on the contrary, for the warming of relations with poland, which are a little bit more tense now due to the incomprehensible actions of the transition period, but as for countries like orban, there is hungary, i think that here... we have to think, well, how will it be further, because in many respects it also has some actions, for example, the purchase of gas now at prices higher than the average in europe indicates that there are

some obligations to moscow, it has personal ones, maybe it is a corrupt person or a corrupt group in the past, maybe they want to bargain with the eu, we we will see, but the eu has its own levers and it will not allow this kind of game all the time, the problem is that it will not block what one country does, if the number of countries increases by 2.4, if the central european ones enter there, yes, it may become a complication, but on the way european integration, we will still go through many such moments, in conclusion i will say this, in the long run, no matter how unpleasant it is for us, our biggest blockers or countermeasures to our european integration will be poland, romania, slovakia, these are the countries. which received funds, well, romania to a lesser extent, but slovakia and poland, yes, funds from the european union, because they compete with us in this area, and these

carriers, this is competition already for access to the market of the european union, our natural allies on that of european integration economic, germany will become , first of all, britain in the plan, well, it is not clear here, it will still be support, such countries, maybe france, so... so in terms of security, i think that it will be different, just poland , the baltic countries, slovakia, and hungary, partly romania, in many respects, are very interested in strengthening our relations in the field of security, that is, the picture is not simple here, and it will change, everyone thinks that all this will happen in a year or two, on sorry, sorry, it's still going to be a long time, i'd say now priority is security, if there is no decision on the security model for ukraine next year. it is promising after the end of the active phase of the war, then there will be no decisions on european integration, i am convinced of this, you have already mentioned the fiza, here is the new... slovak

prime minister declared that ukraine is totally corrupt and he says that the most corrupt country in the world and also doubts the need for an increase in the financial aid of the european union for it, well, that is, it puts us on the carp, so what, that we are unworthy of that, that to receive 50 billion in aid in 24-27 years, well. and slovakia and hungary , they, mr. valery, are not a problem only for ukraine, that's right, it's a problem for the european union, that there are countries that, in principle, in these conditions should play by the rules of a single, single european family, the interests of the european union, and the fact that ukraine is part of this european family, i think no one has any doubts, but they constantly try to play against the european union itself. is

this a problem of the european union bigger than is there a problem in ukraine? yes, because when these countries joined the eu, they undertook, for example, a common foreign security policy. what they are doing now, they are violating the common foreign policy of the european union. that is, could it automatically lead to them being excluded from, say, the eu, well, that doesn't benefit anyone, and it doesn't really benefit us. to be honest, that is, we, i think that the political regimes in these countries will change, because the natural interest of hungarians, poles, there slovaks to be in a single european family, this is a big market, they will not pull it separately, they do not have a common border with russia, that is, that is why these games are more like this, it is purely the style of political populists, who may want to catch a fish here in just

such a way dirty such murky water during the war, it is quite cynical, in fact dishonest , but we will have it not only in these countries, i think that in the next year we will see a complication of the situation, but the european union's tassel, the core or the vision of development is completely different. brussels declares absolutely about other things, and many countries of the european union, you look at how the position of germany has changed, well, it was absolutely not the same there two years ago as it is now, and that is good. it is not only germany that has rethought a lot of things in foreign policy, it is also countries that are further away from us, even italy, there, spain partially, although to a lesser extent, that is, we have to look at it as a process that can give a window of opportunity for us in the future, well, how to work with these countries, you rightly said, that is the question

the problem is theirs, we need to work... with brussels, for example, obviously, when the poles, for example, mr. valery, we still have 20 seconds on the air, if possible, we need to work with brussels, because we are already in a state of association, and then let's move on to the negotiation process. thank you, mr. valery, it was politician and diplomat valery chaly, for a wonderful conversation, thank you again. let me remind you that we are working live and holding a vote today, we are asking you, friends, whether ukraine should make concessions for the sake of peace with russia, now let's see voting there are two numbers 0800-211-381 and 080021382 12% say that concessions should be made, 88% no, what do our next guests think, who will be in this studio in 15 minutes, three political scientists volodymyr frysenko, andriy smoliy and vitaliy kulyk , let's listen in 15 minutes, news release, don't switch, we'll be with you all evening,

wait. can ukraine remain without the help of the united states, we are talking about it today on bbc ukraine. olga palomaryuk is in the studio. congress is obliged to approve the package of aid to ukraine before the christmas holidays, with president biden made such a call to american lawmakers, will the senators hear the call, why are they actually delaying the approval of aid? the u.s. senate, the democratic-dominated chamber of the u.s. congress, is scheduled to vote today on an aid package for ukraine, the same one the biden administration has been asking for for seven years.