tv [untitled] December 6, 2023 10:30pm-11:01pm EET
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ukraine has continued to succeed, we must ensure that russia continues to be defeated in its aggression against ukraine. but if we don't, we know that if putin is allowed to continue to act with impunity, it will open a pandora's box of aggression around the world. other aggressors will watch, they will learn, they will listen, they will draw conclusions from this. our broadcast was joined by pavlo klimkin, ukrainian diplomat, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, 2014-19, good evening, greetings, ladies, greetings to you all, well, look, oksana markarova says that volodymyr zelenskyi’s speech was canceled, and this is not a catastrophe, and that it happened because at the meeting of senators they discussed not only ukrainian issues, but also internal american problems, but to me, i assume that it's not true
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do you have an explanation, do you have an idea, why this meeting was actually canceled, but the speech before the senators, it seems to be so important, ku, much more important, i don’t know the nuances, one of the reasons could be, the assessment of the situation in the senate hearings, and understanding that there will be a very emotional exchange regarding the issues of the southern border, and then... and all our words, they would fall on absolutely ungrateful ground and become a kind of emotional hostage to another issue that is fundamental today for american domestic politics, around there is a lot going on and the stakes are higher than ever, because just as the democrats play on the frag'
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of the republican party, well, there, let's say, the classic republicans, the trumpists, there are other wings, and the republicans too, first of all they want to get their trump cards , and it's not the smallest of trumps, for the next election , and these are elections, let's not forget, not only the presidential election, there are many who vote, in fact, they will go through the same time as the presidential election, well... comrade, everyone knows very well that the left wing, let's call it his, so conventionally left, although it is also heterogeneous, has a very allergic and extremely negative reaction to restricting immigration through the southern border, and for many voters, republicans, this issue is absolutely critical, but agree, if you live under the constant threat that someone will climb
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in your house, your son or your daughter buys fentanyl, which was brought from mexico, then this worries you first of all, along with the economy, so american domestic politics is now rutting and absolutely dominating, all other issues, unfortunately, become literally hostage this situation, which has... crazy stakes, as i said, and here we are, we are once again telling our audience that aid for ukraine is tied, well, republican politicians are tied to strengthening the border between the united states and mexico, but me i understand that this is part of american politics, but explain why it is so difficult for the democrats to make this concession and really tie aid to ukraine to strengthening the border between the united states and mexico, it is not profitable for the democrats for some reason? because they
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get an electoral blow, uh, and a lot of those who are now in some kind of illegal, but quasi-illegal situation, or who have naturalized, are natural voters mostly democrats, these are usually democratic states. well, democratic in quotes, i mean those that, as a rule vote for the democrats, but also the states that oscillate between the democrats and the republicans, besides, we understand very well that the left wing, i will call it the left wing tentatively again, it is categorically against the construction of, for example, the wall on the southern border, and the republic. .. they call crazy
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numbers, well, just numbers that are fantastic even for me, these are millions of people who cross every year ... sorry, but johnson said, almost 7 million, since the beginning of biden’s term, and these people create everyday life, or rather, change it way of life, and the republicans understand very well that they have several levers, and pay attention, mrs. vlasta, the point is that not only our issue and help to us are being held hostage, because... for us, ukraine is with you above all , but israeli aid , and among the democrats and among the republicans, well, there are enough fans of israel, and this is a ukrainian issue that has existed for decades, and this issue is also actually held hostage, i am not
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talking about taiwan, the amount is certainly less there, but do not take this cannot be taken into account either, that is... imagine the importance of this question when a large part of the republicans, who are quite consistent fans of israel, and most of them, by the way, and the new speaker of the congress, mr. johnson, are members of protestant churches, where the old testament is a number one, well, we have our religious tradition, they have their religious tradition, we can discuss it, we can discuss it, but when johnson says that when i have doubts, i open the scriptures, the bible, and i look there answers, so imagine the meaning for many traditional republicans, or imagine a figure where almost 60% of americans, i think 50, six,
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if i'm not mistaken, according to the latest polls, go to church every sunday, that is, these are two ways of life, two sets of these two understandings, what next for the states moving forward, and the republicans, three terms out of power, they understand perfectly well that what they fear for, we will not say right or wrong for now, but nevertheless, they are fighting and they are truly worried about their way of life , may be under the final threat, if they do not again... go to power either through the presidency or through control of the senate, and by the way, now some seats are democratic in the senate, they are no longer so certain for reelection, we can see this from the situation , so the situation is very , very uncertain and very, very uncertain, and if
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you want my opinion, and this is the last thesis, but very important, i, for example, from the point of view of my personal intuition, i am not certain that we will see in the standing... rounds and in the ballots of the american presidential elections, precisely those personalities which we are constantly talking about now , that is, there may also be surprises, both predictable and unpredictable, i understand you, that is , you mean not only, we most often talk about biden and trump there, but there may be some other surprises unpredictability, if i understood you correctly, i said it in the absolutely correct text, it was the last name, well, we are now, we now see that andriy yermak has gone to the united states again, the landing party, so to speak, the ukrainian delegation, andriy yermak has gone again, by the way , he was already there in the middle november, rustem umyerov went this time, ruslan
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stefanchuk was finally chosen as the representative of the people, but you know, here some political scientists point out that now in the united states not only the issue of aid to ukraine is being resolved, but also political prospects in general. yarmaka, well, hinting at the fact that he has been traveling for a long time, and somehow it is not possible to come to an agreement with the republicans. attention, mr. klimkin, there are many formal and informal ties in the united states, and how is yermak's diplomacy generally evaluated there, as i understand it, before him is volodymyr zelenskyi set the task of agreeing, i understand that he set the task of agreeing in general before everyone, and of course i am with both hands for this and any landings, i just want to say that what to work in washington, work there, as we say there on the hill , in the congress and in the senate or there in the state department or in the pentagon, it's already radically insufficient, it worked in '22, it worked there, at the beginning
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of this year, we need to understand that for many republicans the situation is , that support for continued aid is falling and falls quite seriously. unfortunately, it also falls among independents and democrats. it's just a different trend, a different ... inclination, and we need to understand how we conduct our work, if you want, it should be a systemic work, both with republicans, and with democrats, and with independents, well, politics is cynical thing, and if some congressman looks at his district and sees that there is 26% support, as my good friends tell me, they measured, literally... last week, that is, these are fresh numbers, then he says, well, of course, but that i will fight for
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help ukraine, if i have 26%, i will fight for the wall, because i have 90% for the wall, that is, these are two completely different, different realities, and it should have been done the day before yesterday, but it is not a question, they did it, they didn’t do it , if you didn't do it, we need to catch this, this train, as one of my friends, you mentioned there, yes, i really have many friends, but just yesterday he said such a very apt, but at the same time very sad thing, he says, pavlo, you understand that your kitchen in your house is already on fire, and when the kitchen is already is burning, you need to work in real time, because next there will be another room, next there will be another room and then the whole house, and then
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it will be too late to talk about the next rounds of help, so we can of course talk separately about stefanchuk, there is rustem, who whatever, but now it 's literally a common cause, even if we pull this vote out, i'm sure we 'll pull it out, i was from the beginning.' sure that democrats and republicans will not agree, during the first or second round, they will bargain and even fight, and not just bargain, until the last or until two, or even for the period after christmas, for us not only every day, but every hour means something, but this is a systemic problem, even if we have this vote, we get a problem during the next vote, the next ties will be no less problematic for ukraine, so
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we have to understand that we, like the americans, conduct a political campaign, there presidential, senate, whatever, we also have to conduct the same campaign, prove our emotion to prove why it is really important , to prove why it is a plus, when they talk to republicans, even trumpists, and... trumpists, imagine, now support for aid to ukraine in some congressional districts is 7%, and when you tell them, it is the same christian values that ukraine defends, when they are shown one of the videos of how the russians tortured representatives of religious communities, when you just tell stories, when you start saying that if you don't help ukraine, not only russia, but also china, and china is a problem number one for today
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foreign policy for the states, and for republicans number one by a wide margin , i mean foreign policy itself, so it's not enough to just work and land in washington, i'm again, i'm all for the land, but we need to start a systemic work in the states, and if we don't start it. we will not organize our civil society, but there are many worthy people there, after all, the politicians we have, well , there are, there are businesses that are ready to work on this, but also our community, well , listen, we have 8,000 there ukrainians, well there is someone who doesn't care, but 100% there are tens of thousands who don't care, it needs to be organized, to understand how we promote strategies and started, because we will need it today, tomorrow, for the long term,
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so the landings in washington simply do not work anymore , and today, to be honest, we can of course influence the situation in washington, but our influence is by no means decisive, we will not convince anyone there, just like that on the fly, from the jump, since it applies in general. if you want, i'm not a fan of using the pathos of the fate of the united states states, which way the united states will go in general, this is actually a bet on the next ones. elections, and people in the states understand that, and for many americans, even with sincere sympathy for ukraine, i just know that the majority have such sincere sympathy, internal issues, they absolutely dominate, and we have to connect internal issues with our and relate not to the congressmen but to their constituents sorry this is very emotional what i'm
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saying but i've been saying this long enough and we can't do without it same story we need an axle, as we are starting preliminary negotiations, but we will discuss this separately sometime, it is also very important, thank you very much, well, you said that the kitchen is already on fire, this seems to me to be a more than clear analogy, thank you very much, pavlo klimkin, minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, 14th-19th years. and in ukraine today they celebrate the day of the armed forces. we congratulate all defenders who are defending their country in this difficult time. rfe/rl asked. ukrainians in kyiv, zaporozhye and odesa, who are the armed forces for them and what they want to wish the defenders, listen. what is the armed forces of ukraine for you? this is the shield that protects us, well, that's all, this is our military, which saves our lives, this is the heart of the country, one of the hearts of the country somewhere, we are nothing without them, i'll be honest, right now, we
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are nothing without them, if without armed forces, we will not, we will not be free, our support... our peaceful sleep and in general, glory to the armed forces, this is our hope, hope, security and people, which we must first of all support as much as possible, my friends, my dear, this is power endurance, this is limitless motivation, and these are the people who, in general, support our faith in humanity, this is the shield with which we sleep peacefully in kyiv, even, even during attacks, this is all, this, this is our life, they give us , this is the life we live now, thank you and bow down to these boys who are behind us from this, our boys a big thank you and bow down to them, these are the people who are out there in the trenches, at the cost of their lives,
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they give us hope for ... the future for our children, we ourselves are from orichov, our city is 90% destroyed. oh, but there they are people who believe that everything will be fine, we believe that we will get back there, these. that's all for us today, thanks to the defenders, svoboda live will return to the air tomorrow. damn stairs, my legs can't walk anymore, wait, i'm sick that there is no health, and what kind of health is there in the sixth decade, and i thought so until i tried herovital. gerovital + phytovitamin complex that cares for the heart and strengthens the body. gerovital + good health, active life. the novelty of geerovital energy is even more iron for
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armed forces of ukraine. i was categorically against going there, it’s a war , there’s no time to choose, there’s something there, we weren’t ready either, each of us...not ready, i’m the commander of this box, my call sign is bourges, i’ll tell you now how we live here, we serve and i can personally tell you about this box, i was abroad at that time, i was in poland, i was working at a factory, and
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i learned from relatives from the news what started, my best friend, my best man, was the first to go, he was also in poland , he left, he was not called for a long time, then he also ended up in the dshv on the 25th, and i left after a few months, after six months somewhere too, well, it was almost not immediately clear that i would go to serve, there was only a question of when exactly it would be, i worked in the administrative colony for two years, that is, they worked with weapons, there were shootings, well, i also understood a little about the service , i worked as a dog handler, i went through training, the service was, that is, everything , i understood everything that would happen here, in general, for the first week or even two, i did not know how to keep it in myself , i'm in a tank, well, how am i... a tank driver and i received the specialty of a tank driver as a driver mechanic, this later, when they told us that they would give us these boxes, there you could change
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your position, so to speak, choose what suits you, and already there, if you know how, you succeed, then they already changed some places there, and i laughed jumped here, well , i wasn't very happy in the tank, because i'm in the tanks, but then i realized that if you're already in the tanks, where are you going to go, you have to become better here where you are, because there's no way out. well , something needs to be done, that's how i am with the tanker, but in general i thought earlier that it would be a little easier probably to be a stormtrooper, but not now , i can’t get anywhere from him, i believe that if you have the drive, some desire, then you can heat everything, so it takes a certain amount of time, not without it, but if this is the situation now, we there is not as much time as we need, so we just had to adjust ourselves to the fact that we need to do it faster and it is in our interests to do it, well, not just like that, i went to study and that's all, but for myself, to be better at it, because it's not just for us to live here, but
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to go and work, that's why we tried so hard we studied for about two months, the first lessons were for driving, but i was lucky, because i was already a driver in my eighties , i drove a little, i had already learned how to drive, then it turned out... in general, it was easy, well, there is a small difference, there are levers, there are the difference is small, but in the tower, yes, i studied everything from scratch, but there is a crew, that is, i have to know everything for everyone, but there is a crew that is also mine, they have to do their job and they do it, that is i am now more in theory, in tactics, guys already for the time we are here with that tank, more of it has already been mastered. well, as they should, yes, not even the way they were taught , this is, well, this is our tank, already, already ours, it, already the british didn’t give it to us, let’s say, my
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name is artem, i’m the mechanic, the driver of this boxes, i drive it, we work with the crew, i am responsible for ensuring that the box arrives safely, so that the box is always there, works well and at an important moment nothing fails, i have been mobilized for this, i have worked for the last five years at the supervai, selling candies, selling candies at the market marci conti, hello zhytomyr, hello, comrade, that's it, they issued a summons, the komat came, everything will pass in a day. i decided that it was necessary, that the state needed me, it was a shock for me, firstly, when i found out
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that i would be a tank driver, i could not digest it in my head for sunday, then the second sunday, somehow before by the end of the second sunday, i had digested only that i would be with the tank driver, at the beginning i studied at eighty. and then it so happened that they took me here to britain to study, i mastered it when we arrived in ukraine, flew in and were put behind bars levers, they said, that's all, you will ride it, i remembered everything that we were told at the training, and mastered it at the moment , this is my profession, which i have to fulfill and fear not fear, i have to do it, from me from from depends
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not only on how well i will do it. my life and therefore, well, fear is not fear , the task must be completed, my name is nazar, i am the gunner of this tank, my job is to identify the enemy's positions as quickly as possible, and shoot accurately, well, me. on the sights, scan the perimeter, and that's it i see, we are going in a tank, we already know what we have, what we have to do, next, my job is to scan the territory, the perimeter, detect the enemy, report to the commander what i have discovered.
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the goal, and then we decide what to do with it, i didn’t imagine myself as a soldier at all, it’s not that i didn’t even think about it often, it just happened somehow, well, i think that i’m a bettor by nature in britain, taught normally. by the bettor, for me victory is when the zagarmik already leaves my house and we all start to live as before, everything will be calm down, it's normal, that's why you need to drive him out by force. i am the charger of this
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box, call sign mole, two machine guns, a cannon, and all of this is necessary for it to work very well, first of all, it needs to be serviced, it is necessary very often, very often, it is necessary to charge as quickly as possible, there even up to 5 seconds must be charged so that we are not thundered, otherwise the shells hit us. we have a lot of them, i am responsible for the weapons, they have to be cleaned twice a week, sometimes three times, like here, because this is the situation in the house, he is not sitting in the house, everything disappears at once, the ammunition is constantly counted, once in a week, it happens twice a week, like when i studied the hundredth voze, in fact i thought that after the hundredth voze i was recorded by snipers, i learned for a week, and that's it.
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they threw me over, because i was registered as a tractor driver , i have all the rights, i was registered as a tank, i studied in the 80s, as a mechanic, and that’s how i got here, the first two sundays, to be honest, i didn’t understand what it was for, and then it turned out to be almost the best, glory god, everything, the main thing, you want, everything can be done in such a short time. well, every person can become a leader in his own business, you just have to want it, if you don't want it, you have to do it in a year or two it will not be possible, the main desire and the main thing is to want, i think so, no matter how we rebuild ukraine, and how we do everything, it will not be possible for me, but i want to expel them as soon as possible and live in a normal country. see this week in
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the collaborators program. how does propaganda work in the occupied territories? it's steep. a little steep. but who is agitating young people to join putin's youth army? greetings, i'm olena kononenko and this is the collaborator program. the new faces of treason, on which suspicions and cameras are already waiting, are asking you to find out about them all of ukraine. our task is to make them known, so that after the end of the war and our victory, these traitors will not sit in the corners, pretending to be law-abiding citizens, but answer for their crimes before the court. we have already told you about the propaganda tv channel tavria kherson, which was created by the rashists in 2022, when they occupied
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